On 14/11/2014 5:04 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:56:01 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 11/14/2014 12:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah yes, I understood that, but I didn't mean food. I meant items they
>>> supposed were made in USA they complain that they were in fact made in
>>> China.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> People here will complain about chicken being processed in China. They
>> think there's something not quite right with that. It sounds a little
>> goofy to me too but it's all about food on the cheap. I think it's a
>> great idea myself - now we can get Chinese chicken without even going to
>> a Chinese restaurant.
>>
>> Generally speaking though - people will complain about most anything in
>> this group. It's their nature. :-)
>
> Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
> being sold.... Walmart maybe?
>
>
Inevitably!
Graham

On 14/11/2014 4:53 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:43:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think you're right that the Chinese aren't innovators but the Japanese were the same way 50 years ago.
>
> True but their entire circumstances were different. Japan was
> occupied until 1950 and the West was very hands on rebuilding the
> economy and shaping their outlook.
>
>> My belief is that this will change as they start seeing themselves in a more confident light.
>
> First China needs to get rid of communism

It did! Years ago!
Graham

On 14/11/2014 7:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:03:16 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 14/11/2014 4:53 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:43:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think you're right that the Chinese aren't innovators but the Japanese were the same way 50 years ago.
>>>
>>> True but their entire circumstances were different. Japan was
>>> occupied until 1950 and the West was very hands on rebuilding the
>>> economy and shaping their outlook.
>>>
>>>> My belief is that this will change as they start seeing themselves in a more confident light.
>>>
>>> First China needs to get rid of communism
>>
>> It did! Years ago!
>
> So they moved from a communist dictatorship to a non-communist one.
>
The one thing that I have learned over the years is that USians haven't
a ****ing clue what communism (or socialism) is!
In case you haven't noticed, most Chinese industry is PRIVATELY owned
and the country is home to many billionaires. Anathema to a communist
system where the state owns just about everything.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:02:39 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> I don't have any info on whether or not the Chinese will try to cheat
> every chance they get. Are you saying that Americans are fully capable
> of making quality products without QC oversight or accountability? That
> would be just wonderful.

Hell no! We need official government oversight to make sure big
business doesn't misuse labor. All China has is a set of laws that
are usually ignored and individuals sent by the contracting American
company to oversee how they are making the product.
>
> Let me tell you, the Chinese don't trust the Americans any more than we
> trust them.

We are the contractors and it's our money. They do it to their own
people, so I don't need to feel bad about them "not trusting us".


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On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:03:16 -0700, graham > wrote:

> On 14/11/2014 4:53 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:43:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I think you're right that the Chinese aren't innovators but the Japanese were the same way 50 years ago.
> >
> > True but their entire circumstances were different. Japan was
> > occupied until 1950 and the West was very hands on rebuilding the
> > economy and shaping their outlook.
> >
> >> My belief is that this will change as they start seeing themselves in a more confident light.
> >
> > First China needs to get rid of communism
>
> It did! Years ago!

Look at how it's run.



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On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:28:22 -0700, graham > wrote:

> On 14/11/2014 7:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:03:16 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >
> >> On 14/11/2014 4:53 PM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:43:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think you're right that the Chinese aren't innovators but the Japanese were the same way 50 years ago.
> >>>
> >>> True but their entire circumstances were different. Japan was
> >>> occupied until 1950 and the West was very hands on rebuilding the
> >>> economy and shaping their outlook.
> >>>
> >>>> My belief is that this will change as they start seeing themselves in a more confident light.
> >>>
> >>> First China needs to get rid of communism
> >>
> >> It did! Years ago!
> >
> > So they moved from a communist dictatorship to a non-communist one.
> >
> The one thing that I have learned over the years is that USians haven't
> a ****ing clue what communism (or socialism) is!
> In case you haven't noticed, most Chinese industry is PRIVATELY owned
> and the country is home to many billionaires. Anathema to a communist
> system where the state owns just about everything.

Oh, good god. Another fake by the Chinese that you bought hook line
and sinker.


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> Ah yes, I understood that, but I didn't mean food. I meant items they
> supposed were made in USA they complain that they were in fact made in
> China.

Tons of consumer goods are made in China.

Cheri

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 14/11/2014 7:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:03:16 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/11/2014 4:53 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:43:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you're right that the Chinese aren't innovators but the
>>>>> Japanese were the same way 50 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> True but their entire circumstances were different. Japan was
>>>> occupied until 1950 and the West was very hands on rebuilding the
>>>> economy and shaping their outlook.
>>>>
>>>>> My belief is that this will change as they start seeing themselves in
>>>>> a more confident light.
>>>>
>>>> First China needs to get rid of communism
>>>
>>> It did! Years ago!
>>
>> So they moved from a communist dictatorship to a non-communist one.
>>
> The one thing that I have learned over the years is that USians haven't a
> ****ing clue what communism (or socialism) is!
> In case you haven't noticed, most Chinese industry is PRIVATELY owned and
> the country is home to many billionaires. Anathema to a communist system
> where the state owns just about everything.

Pretty sure most of us know.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:56:01 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 11/14/2014 12:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Ah yes, I understood that, but I didn't mean food. I meant items they
>> > supposed were made in USA they complain that they were in fact made in
>> > China.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> People here will complain about chicken being processed in China. They
>> think there's something not quite right with that. It sounds a little
>> goofy to me too but it's all about food on the cheap. I think it's a
>> great idea myself - now we can get Chinese chicken without even going to
>> a Chinese restaurant.
>>
>> Generally speaking though - people will complain about most anything in
>> this group. It's their nature. :-)
>
> Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
> being sold.... Walmart maybe?

I have seen that claim. I am eating some now. Let's see if I die. Oh!
I'm eating it out of a Melamine soup mug made in China.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:18:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> You can never merely go by a label that says gluten free and assume that
>> the
>> product is. Some of this depends on what country you live in. In some
>> countries, the product is tested and if it has less and some certain
>> number,
>> then it can be said to be GF. In this country, we have things like Rice
>> Dream, rice milk. They use barely to polish the rice. Barley contains
>> gluten. So while the rice is gluten free and it will say gluten free on
>> the
>> box, there might actually be gluten in the milk and people have reacted
>> to
>> it. Then there are things that places like Walmart and Trader Joe's
>> sell.
>> Things like tomato sauce and canned beans. Should be gluten free but
>> made
>> on shared lines so can contain gluten. Even some gluten free baked goods
>> are baked in a facility shared with wheat to subject to cross
>> contamination.
>> And the famous gluten free pizza. I want to say Dominos but not entirely
>> sure which chain it is. Has a disclaimer that it is not to be eaten by
>> people with celiac. Because while they are using GF ingredients, they
>> can't
>> guarantee that the end result is GF.
>
> People who *need* to eat gluten free ensure that they do it by not
> buying processed food and cooking from scratch. Why is this such a
> hard concept to understand?

Hardly! I was a poster on the celiac forum for many years and I still read
posts there from time to time. Many of the newly diagnosed are college
students, or young mothers who perhaps have a newly diagnosed child. Many
are looking for things like canned chicken soup or Goldfish type crackers.

Some do make everything from scratch. Particularly those with multiple food
issues or who only eat organic or perhaps even vegan. But the vast majority
want prepared stuff. Ever been to a gluten free fair? I have. Angela once
won a wonderful overnight bag full of Bob's Red Mill and other products.
The bag has the Bob's logo stitched on it.

The gluten free market is HUGE! But many of the companies that make gluten
free stuff just don't get it.

There actually have been quite a few gluten free bakeries that have been
sued and shut down. The worst of which was some guy who knowingly purchased
breads somewhere that were regular wheat breads and put his own gluten free
packaging on them. I will continue to try to find the name of that person
or company but meanwhile here is something on a similar vein...

http://jennifersway.org/gluten-free-...ke-extra-cash/

And here it is!

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/04/...ke-gluten.html

There has also been much discussion over the years about the tortillas made
by these people.

http://www.foodforlife.com/about_us/...ree-difference

I can't remember the exact specifics now and they may have changed the way
they are made but at some point in time some years ago they were not really
gluten free. I do remember Angela eating them and getting stomach pains
afterwards. I can't see anything now that shouts out to me of a problem.
But I do see that they are no longer claiming the corn ones to be GF. That
may have been it.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Ah yes, I understood that, but I didn't mean food. I meant items they
>> supposed were made in USA they complain that they were in fact made in
>> China.
>
> Tons of consumer goods are made in China.

Most things seem to be. I generally try to avoid food that says it is made
there. I am eating canned chicken that I bought on Amazon and a customer
made the claim that it is from Sam's Club and from China even though it is
packaged here. I ate it prior. I'm still alive.

I also will not buy certain dollar store items that are made there, like
electrical things. I realize that some things like Iphones and components
may be made there though.

On Friday, November 14, 2014 4:49:01 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:02:39 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> > I don't have any info on whether or not the Chinese will try to cheat
> > every chance they get. Are you saying that Americans are fully capable
> > of making quality products without QC oversight or accountability? That
> > would be just wonderful.
>
> Hell no! We need official government oversight to make sure big
> business doesn't misuse labor. All China has is a set of laws that
> are usually ignored and individuals sent by the contracting American
> company to oversee how they are making the product.

I worked at a factory that made widgets. I told my supervisor that the box of switches being checked out was not turning on reliably. The response was that as long as it worked most of the time to just pass it. I thought that was a little nutty considering that it was the only user control on the gizmo. OTOH, the guy was the boss and the boss is always right. The truth is that the Chinese do not have exclusive rights on shoddy products and our manufacturing practices are in no way superior. People get cheap crap from China because they're only willing to pay for cheap crap.

> >
> > Let me tell you, the Chinese don't trust the Americans any more than we
> > trust them.
>
> We are the contractors and it's our money. They do it to their own
> people, so I don't need to feel bad about them "not trusting us".
>
>
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:46:55 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> I worked at a factory that made widgets. I told my supervisor that the box of switches being checked out was not turning on reliably. The response was that as long as it worked most of the time to just pass it. I thought that was a little nutty considering that it was the only user control on the gizmo. OTOH, the guy was the boss and the boss is always right. The truth is that the Chinese do not have exclusive rights on shoddy products and our manufacturing practices are in no way superior. People get cheap crap from China because they're only willing to pay for cheap crap.

A lot of that happens because of competition by off soil manufacturers
who pay their workers slave wages.


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On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:35:54 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 14/11/2014 7:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:03:16 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 14/11/2014 4:53 PM, sf wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:43:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think you're right that the Chinese aren't innovators but the
> >>>>> Japanese were the same way 50 years ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> True but their entire circumstances were different. Japan was
> >>>> occupied until 1950 and the West was very hands on rebuilding the
> >>>> economy and shaping their outlook.
> >>>>
> >>>>> My belief is that this will change as they start seeing themselves in
> >>>>> a more confident light.
> >>>>
> >>>> First China needs to get rid of communism
> >>>
> >>> It did! Years ago!
> >>
> >> So they moved from a communist dictatorship to a non-communist one.
> >>
> > The one thing that I have learned over the years is that USians haven't a
> > ****ing clue what communism (or socialism) is!
> > In case you haven't noticed, most Chinese industry is PRIVATELY owned and
> > the country is home to many billionaires. Anathema to a communist system
> > where the state owns just about everything.
>
> Pretty sure most of us know.

Which doesn't mean their way of thinking has changed.


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On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:37:39 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> > Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
> > being sold.... Walmart maybe?
>
> I have seen that claim. I am eating some now. Let's see if I die. Oh!
> I'm eating it out of a Melamine soup mug made in China.

You bought chicken that said Product of China? Was it blue skinned?


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On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:55:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > People who *need* to eat gluten free ensure that they do it by not
> > buying processed food and cooking from scratch. Why is this such a
> > hard concept to understand?
>
> Hardly! I was a poster on the celiac forum for many years and I still read
> posts there from time to time. Many of the newly diagnosed are college
> students, or young mothers who perhaps have a newly diagnosed child. Many
> are looking for things like canned chicken soup or Goldfish type crackers.

If they are true celiacs and don't prepare their own food from
scratch, they are fools.
>



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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/14/2014 12:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Friday, November 14, 2014 11:50:17 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>>>> lol I know nothing of Hawaiian stuff. I mean the things posters here
>>>> talk
>>>> about)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clairfication. You are correct that a lot of the dishes
>>> that are popular here originate from the Chinese. The interesting
>>> thing is
>>> that we don't use much Chinese spices or exotic ingredents. If we want
>>> Chinese food, we go to a Chinese restaurant. We've always had Chinese
>>> and
>>> Japanese restaurants over here. OTOH, the hot food items these days are
>>> from the Koreans and the SE Asians.
>>
>> Ah yes, I understood that, but I didn't mean food. I meant items they
>> supposed were made in USA they complain that they were in fact made in
>> China.
>>
>>
>
> People here will complain about chicken being processed in China. They
> think there's something not quite right with that. It sounds a little
> goofy to me too but it's all about food on the cheap. I think it's a great
> idea myself - now we can get Chinese chicken without even going to a
> Chinese restaurant.
>
> Generally speaking though - people will complain about most anything in
> this group. It's their nature. :-)

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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Ah yes, I understood that, but I didn't mean food. I meant items they
>> supposed were made in USA they complain that they were in fact made in
>> China.
>
> Tons of consumer goods are made in China.

Thanks, Cheri ))))

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On 2014-11-15 6:46 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:46:55 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> I worked at a factory that made widgets. I told my supervisor that the box of switches being checked out was not turning on reliably. The response was that as long as it worked most of the time to just pass it. I thought that was a little nutty considering that it was the only user control on the gizmo. OTOH, the guy was the boss and the boss is always right. The truth is that the Chinese do not have exclusive rights on shoddy products and our manufacturing practices are in no way superior. People get cheap crap from China because they're only willing to pay for cheap crap.
>
> A lot of that happens because of competition by off soil manufacturers
> who pay their workers slave wages.
>

It is not just the slave wages. There are fewer worker protection laws,
laxer environmental standards and lower taxes.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 08:44:29 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-11-15 6:46 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:46:55 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I worked at a factory that made widgets. I told my supervisor that the box of switches being checked out was not turning on reliably. The response was that as long as it worked most of the time to just pass it. I thought that was a little nutty considering that it was the only user control on the gizmo. OTOH, the guy was the boss and the boss is always right. The truth is that the Chinese do not have exclusive rights on shoddy products and our manufacturing practices are in no way superior. People get cheap crap from China because they're only willing to pay for cheap crap.
> >
> > A lot of that happens because of competition by off soil manufacturers
> > who pay their workers slave wages.
> >
>
> It is not just the slave wages. There are fewer worker protection laws,
> laxer environmental standards and lower taxes.
>
Pitifully paid people who are treated like slaves.


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On Saturday, November 15, 2014 1:46:16 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:46:55 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > I worked at a factory that made widgets. I told my supervisor that the box of switches being checked out was not turning on reliably. The response was that as long as it worked most of the time to just pass it. I thought that was a little nutty considering that it was the only user control on the gizmo. OTOH, the guy was the boss and the boss is always right. The truth is that the Chinese do not have exclusive rights on shoddy products and our manufacturing practices are in no way superior. People get cheap crap from China because they're only willing to pay for cheap crap.
>
> A lot of that happens because of competition by off soil manufacturers
> who pay their workers slave wages.
>
>
> --
> Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

In this case, there was no competition, foreign or domestic. Mostly it was because sales were booming and they needed to get product out the door fast.. China ain't the only country paying their workers slave wages. For more info on this, look at your own country.

On 11/15/2014 6:46 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:46:55 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> I worked at a factory that made widgets. I told my supervisor that the box of switches being checked out was not turning on reliably. The response was that as long as it worked most of the time to just pass it. I thought that was a little nutty considering that it was the only user control on the gizmo. OTOH, the guy was the boss and the boss is always right. The truth is that the Chinese do not have exclusive rights on shoddy products and our manufacturing practices are in no way superior. People get cheap crap from China because they're only willing to pay for cheap crap.
>
> A lot of that happens because of competition by off soil manufacturers
> who pay their workers slave wages.
>
>

No, it happens because some people are greedy, others are irresponsible,
others just don't care or are too lazy to fix the problem. It happens
in factories where the workers are well paid. It happened long before we
traded with China. Just look at the US auto industry and the crap they
turned out for decades by well paid workers. How long is the list of
defects on that brand new '58 Chevy?

I've been around manufacturing plants for over 50 years and it has been
going on for that time.

I've also sen some quality product from China May have been made by
slaves or babies, but the quality equals anything the US can do.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:13:55 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 11/15/2014 6:46 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:46:55 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I worked at a factory that made widgets. I told my supervisor that the box of switches being checked out was not turning on reliably. The response was that as long as it worked most of the time to just pass it. I thought that was a little nutty considering that it was the only user control on the gizmo. OTOH, the guy was the boss and the boss is always right. The truth is that the Chinese do not have exclusive rights on shoddy products and our manufacturing practices are in no way superior. People get cheap crap from China because they're only willing to pay for cheap crap.
>>
>> A lot of that happens because of competition by off soil manufacturers
>> who pay their workers slave wages.
>>
>>
>
>No, it happens because some people are greedy, others are irresponsible,
>others just don't care or are too lazy to fix the problem. It happens
>in factories where the workers are well paid. It happened long before we
>traded with China. Just look at the US auto industry and the crap they
>turned out for decades by well paid workers. How long is the list of
>defects on that brand new '58 Chevy?
>
>I've been around manufacturing plants for over 50 years and it has been
>going on for that time.
>
>I've also sen some quality product from China May have been made by
>slaves or babies, but the quality equals anything the US can do.

US manufacturing tops all other countries combined for producing
crap... the US worker no longer possesses the skills needed to produce
high quality product, and it's been that way for at least the past 20
years, more like 30 years. The US no longer has apprenticeship
programs, most skilled workers are imported but the US gets the worst
of those, the least skilled and the most felonious. Once a society's
desk drivers surpass its product producers its economy dives into a
downward death spiral... the US has been in the midst of that downward
death spiral for many years now, well beyond the point of return. It's
near impossible to find young people in the US who know how to make
things. Most US manufacturing plants have shut their doors some have
moved to other countries where they can find skilled workers. Many
products are assembled in the US but not with parts made in the US...
and they are assembled shoddily.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>sf wrote:
>>>dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I worked at a factory that made widgets. I told my supervisor that the box of switches being checked out was not turning on reliably. The response was that as long as it worked most of the time to just pass it. I thought that was a little nutty considering that it was the only user control on the gizmo. OTOH, the guy was the boss and the boss is always right. The truth is that the Chinese do not have exclusive rights on shoddy products and our manufacturing practices are in no way superior. People get cheap crap from China because they're only willing to pay for cheap crap.
>>>
>>> A lot of that happens because of competition by off soil manufacturers
>>> who pay their workers slave wages.
>>
>>No, it happens because some people are greedy, others are irresponsible,
>>others just don't care or are too lazy to fix the problem. It happens
>>in factories where the workers are well paid. It happened long before we
>>traded with China. Just look at the US auto industry and the crap they
>>turned out for decades by well paid workers. How long is the list of
>>defects on that brand new '58 Chevy?
>>
>>I've been around manufacturing plants for over 50 years and it has been
>>going on for that time.
>>
>>I've also seen some quality product from China Many have been made by
>>slaves or babies, but the quality equals anything the US can do.
>
>US manufacturing tops all other countries combined for producing
>crap... the US worker no longer possesses the skills needed to produce
>high quality product, and it's been that way for at least the past 20
>years, more like 30 years. The US no longer has apprenticeship
>programs, most skilled workers are imported but the US gets the worst
>of those, the least skilled and the most felonious. Once a society's
>desk drivers surpass its product producers its economy dives into a
>downward death spiral... the US has been in the midst of that downward
>death spiral for many years now, well beyond the point of return. It's
>near impossible to find young people in the US who know how to make
>things. Most US manufacturing plants have shut their doors some have
>moved to other countries where they can find skilled workers. Many
>products are assembled in the US but not with parts made in the US...
>and they are assembled shoddily.
The worlds oldest professions:
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:02:28 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Saturday, November 15, 2014 1:46:16 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:46:55 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I worked at a factory that made widgets. I told my supervisor that the box of switches being checked out was not turning on reliably. The response was that as long as it worked most of the time to just pass it. I thought that was a little nutty considering that it was the only user control on the gizmo. OTOH, the guy was the boss and the boss is always right. The truth is that the Chinese do not have exclusive rights on shoddy products and our manufacturing practices are in no way superior. People get cheap crap from China because they're only willing to pay for cheap crap.
> >
> > A lot of that happens because of competition by off soil manufacturers
> > who pay their workers slave wages.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.
>
> In this case, there was no competition, foreign or domestic. Mostly it was because sales were booming and they needed to get product out the door fast. China ain't the only country paying their workers slave wages. For more info on this, look at your own country.

It's only going to get worse after the TPP is rammed through virtually
out of the public eye.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:37:39 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> news
>> >
>> > Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
>> > being sold.... Walmart maybe?
>>
>> I have seen that claim. I am eating some now. Let's see if I die. Oh!
>> I'm eating it out of a Melamine soup mug made in China.
>
> You bought chicken that said Product of China? Was it blue skinned?

No and no. The chicken is canned. Bought it from Amazon. A product
reviewer said it is a Sam's Club brand and that the chicken is from China
even though it is packaged in the US. Don't know if any of that is true.
The mugs were purchased years ago but I know they were made in China.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:55:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > People who *need* to eat gluten free ensure that they do it by not
>> > buying processed food and cooking from scratch. Why is this such a
>> > hard concept to understand?
>>
>> Hardly! I was a poster on the celiac forum for many years and I still
>> read
>> posts there from time to time. Many of the newly diagnosed are college
>> students, or young mothers who perhaps have a newly diagnosed child.
>> Many
>> are looking for things like canned chicken soup or Goldfish type
>> crackers.
>
> If they are true celiacs and don't prepare their own food from
> scratch, they are fools.

Nonsense! There are plenty of guaranteed gluten free foods out there.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:33:13 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:37:39 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> news > >> >
> >> > Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
> >> > being sold.... Walmart maybe?
> >>
> >> I have seen that claim. I am eating some now. Let's see if I die. Oh!
> >> I'm eating it out of a Melamine soup mug made in China.
> >
> > You bought chicken that said Product of China? Was it blue skinned?
>
> No and no. The chicken is canned. Bought it from Amazon. A product
> reviewer said it is a Sam's Club brand and that the chicken is from China
> even though it is packaged in the US. Don't know if any of that is true.
> The mugs were purchased years ago but I know they were made in China.

This is what I hate. I have never, in my entire life, bought a can or
a pouch of chicken. If you bought canned or pouched chicken, say it
in the first place. When you say chicken without a modifier, then of
course fresh is the default in most normal shoppers minds. Please
don't expect the rest of us to know what you're talking about when you
don't tell us in the first place and please don't pass on rumors and
speculation.


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On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:34:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:55:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > People who *need* to eat gluten free ensure that they do it by not
> >> > buying processed food and cooking from scratch. Why is this such a
> >> > hard concept to understand?
> >>
> >> Hardly! I was a poster on the celiac forum for many years and I still
> >> read
> >> posts there from time to time. Many of the newly diagnosed are college
> >> students, or young mothers who perhaps have a newly diagnosed child.
> >> Many
> >> are looking for things like canned chicken soup or Goldfish type
> >> crackers.
> >
> > If they are true celiacs and don't prepare their own food from
> > scratch, they are fools.
>
> Nonsense! There are plenty of guaranteed gluten free foods out there.

They are total fools if they buy processed food.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:33:13 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:37:39 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> news >> >> >
>> >> > Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
>> >> > being sold.... Walmart maybe?
>> >>
>> >> I have seen that claim. I am eating some now. Let's see if I die.
>> >> Oh!
>> >> I'm eating it out of a Melamine soup mug made in China.
>> >
>> > You bought chicken that said Product of China? Was it blue skinned?
>>
>> No and no. The chicken is canned. Bought it from Amazon. A product
>> reviewer said it is a Sam's Club brand and that the chicken is from China
>> even though it is packaged in the US. Don't know if any of that is true.
>> The mugs were purchased years ago but I know they were made in China.
>
> This is what I hate. I have never, in my entire life, bought a can or
> a pouch of chicken. If you bought canned or pouched chicken, say it
> in the first place. When you say chicken without a modifier, then of
> course fresh is the default in most normal shoppers minds. Please
> don't expect the rest of us to know what you're talking about when you
> don't tell us in the first place and please don't pass on rumors and
> speculation.

Someone knew what I was talking about! I can't help that you didn't. And
no, fresh is not always what people think about. And I can pass on rumors
and speculation if I want. You're not in charge of this group.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:34:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:55:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > People who *need* to eat gluten free ensure that they do it by not
>> >> > buying processed food and cooking from scratch. Why is this such a
>> >> > hard concept to understand?
>> >>
>> >> Hardly! I was a poster on the celiac forum for many years and I still
>> >> read
>> >> posts there from time to time. Many of the newly diagnosed are
>> >> college
>> >> students, or young mothers who perhaps have a newly diagnosed child.
>> >> Many
>> >> are looking for things like canned chicken soup or Goldfish type
>> >> crackers.
>> >
>> > If they are true celiacs and don't prepare their own food from
>> > scratch, they are fools.
>>
>> Nonsense! There are plenty of guaranteed gluten free foods out there.
>
> They are total fools if they buy processed food.

Really? And yet I know that you buy processed food. What does that make
you?

In article >, says...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:34:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> news > >> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:55:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > People who *need* to eat gluten free ensure that they do it by not
> >> >> > buying processed food and cooking from scratch. Why is this such a
> >> >> > hard concept to understand?

and

> >> > If they are true celiacs and don't prepare their own food from
> >> > scratch, they are fools.

and

> > They are total fools if they buy processed food.
>
> Really? And yet I know that you buy processed food. What does that make
> you?

Not a coeliac. So her comment about them does not apply to herself.

There, that wasn't hard, was it?

Janet UK

On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 05:20:57 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:33:13 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:37:39 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> >> news > >> >> >
> >> >> > Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
> >> >> > being sold.... Walmart maybe?
> >> >>
> >> >> I have seen that claim. I am eating some now. Let's see if I die.
> >> >> Oh!
> >> >> I'm eating it out of a Melamine soup mug made in China.
> >> >
> >> > You bought chicken that said Product of China? Was it blue skinned?
> >>
> >> No and no. The chicken is canned. Bought it from Amazon. A product
> >> reviewer said it is a Sam's Club brand and that the chicken is from China
> >> even though it is packaged in the US. Don't know if any of that is true.
> >> The mugs were purchased years ago but I know they were made in China.
> >
> > This is what I hate. I have never, in my entire life, bought a can or
> > a pouch of chicken. If you bought canned or pouched chicken, say it
> > in the first place. When you say chicken without a modifier, then of
> > course fresh is the default in most normal shoppers minds. Please
> > don't expect the rest of us to know what you're talking about when you
> > don't tell us in the first place and please don't pass on rumors and
> > speculation.
>
> Someone knew what I was talking about!

She guessed because she knows you don't bother with real food and she
had bought some for her dying cat.

> I can't help that you didn't. And
> no, fresh is not always what people think about. And I can pass on rumors
> and speculation if I want. You're not in charge of this group.

You made it sound as if the chicken as if it was real chicken not some
process glop in a can or pouch.


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On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 06:17:17 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:34:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> news > >> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:55:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > People who *need* to eat gluten free ensure that they do it by not
> >> >> > buying processed food and cooking from scratch. Why is this such a
> >> >> > hard concept to understand?
> >> >>
> >> >> Hardly! I was a poster on the celiac forum for many years and I still
> >> >> read
> >> >> posts there from time to time. Many of the newly diagnosed are
> >> >> college
> >> >> students, or young mothers who perhaps have a newly diagnosed child.
> >> >> Many
> >> >> are looking for things like canned chicken soup or Goldfish type
> >> >> crackers.
> >> >
> >> > If they are true celiacs and don't prepare their own food from
> >> > scratch, they are fools.
> >>
> >> Nonsense! There are plenty of guaranteed gluten free foods out there.
> >
> > They are total fools if they buy processed food.
>
> Really? And yet I know that you buy processed food. What does that make
> you?

Pay attention and stay on topic. I am not a celiac or allergic to
anything. Your constant kitchen sinking is boring.


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On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 15:31:19 -0000, Janet > wrote:

> In article >, says...
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:34:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> "sf" > wrote in message
> > >> news > > >> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:55:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> > >> >> ...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > People who *need* to eat gluten free ensure that they do it by not
> > >> >> > buying processed food and cooking from scratch. Why is this such a
> > >> >> > hard concept to understand?
>
> and
>
> > >> > If they are true celiacs and don't prepare their own food from
> > >> > scratch, they are fools.
>
> and
>
> > > They are total fools if they buy processed food.
> >
> > Really? And yet I know that you buy processed food. What does that make
> > you?
>
> Not a coeliac. So her comment about them does not apply to herself.
>
> There, that wasn't hard, was it?
>
> Janet UK

Thank you.


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Julie Bove wrote:
>sf wrote:
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>> sf wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
>>> > being sold.... Walmart maybe?
>>>
>>> I have seen that claim. I am eating some now. Let's see if I die. Oh!
>>> I'm eating it out of a Melamine soup mug made in China.
>>
>> You bought chicken that said Product of China? Was it blue skinned?
>
>No and no. The chicken is canned. Bought it from Amazon. A product
>reviewer said it is a Sam's Club brand and that the chicken is from China
>even though it is packaged in the US. Don't know if any of that is true.

I buy canned chicken breast all the time, I like it better than tuna.
Canned chicken also costs about 1/3 the price of tuna and it doesn't
have that mercury issue.
Walmart sells Swanson brand, a Campbell Soup company.
BJs sells their own brand; Berkley & Jensen.
Both cans say "Made in the U.S.A."
Both cans have the seal "Inspected by USDA".
Did it contain chicken from China it would be canned in China and the
label would say so, like it does with many canned foods, ie.
mushrooms. The US doesn't import live chickens for food, they'd need
to be held in quarantine for about a month, then a can of chicken
would cost like $100 or more. The US raises more chicken than people
can eat... if anything the US exports canned chicken. The only
chicken from China I know of is in some crummy brands of pet food.

On Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:29:02 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
> >sf wrote:
> >>Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> sf wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
> >>> > being sold.... Walmart maybe?
> >>>
> >>> I have seen that claim. I am eating some now. Let's see if I die. Oh!
> >>> I'm eating it out of a Melamine soup mug made in China.
> >>
> >> You bought chicken that said Product of China? Was it blue skinned?
> >
> >No and no. The chicken is canned. Bought it from Amazon. A product
> >reviewer said it is a Sam's Club brand and that the chicken is from China
> >even though it is packaged in the US. Don't know if any of that is true..
>
> I buy canned chicken breast all the time, I like it better than tuna.
> Canned chicken also costs about 1/3 the price of tuna and it doesn't
> have that mercury issue.
> Walmart sells Swanson brand, a Campbell Soup company.
> BJs sells their own brand; Berkley & Jensen.
> Both cans say "Made in the U.S.A."
> Both cans have the seal "Inspected by USDA".
> Did it contain chicken from China it would be canned in China and the
> label would say so, like it does with many canned foods, ie.
> mushrooms. The US doesn't import live chickens for food, they'd need
> to be held in quarantine for about a month, then a can of chicken
> would cost like $100 or more. The US raises more chicken than people
> can eat... if anything the US exports canned chicken. The only
> chicken from China I know of is in some crummy brands of pet food.

If you're worried about the cost of a can of tuna, you're really in the wrong group. You and Bwyan should open a restaurant selling poor people food. And then you can suck each others' cocks. I'm not sure he's up for it, but I've come to believe you are, sailor boy.

smegmadavis wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> I buy canned chicken breast all the time, I like it better than tuna.
>> Canned chicken also costs about 1/3 the price of tuna and it doesn't
>> have that mercury issue.
>
>If you're worried about the cost of a can of tuna, you're really in the wrong group.

I don't worry about the cost of canned tuna. Like I said, I like
canned chicken better. I buy canned tuna too but I prefer canned
chicken. If anyone is in the wrong group it's you... to date
smegma-breath-davis has contributed nothing worthwhile food related.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 06:17:17 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:34:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> news >> >> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:55:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > People who *need* to eat gluten free ensure that they do it by
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > buying processed food and cooking from scratch. Why is this such
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > hard concept to understand?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hardly! I was a poster on the celiac forum for many years and I
>> >> >> still
>> >> >> read
>> >> >> posts there from time to time. Many of the newly diagnosed are
>> >> >> college
>> >> >> students, or young mothers who perhaps have a newly diagnosed
>> >> >> child.
>> >> >> Many
>> >> >> are looking for things like canned chicken soup or Goldfish type
>> >> >> crackers.
>> >> >
>> >> > If they are true celiacs and don't prepare their own food from
>> >> > scratch, they are fools.
>> >>
>> >> Nonsense! There are plenty of guaranteed gluten free foods out there.
>> >
>> > They are total fools if they buy processed food.
>>
>> Really? And yet I know that you buy processed food. What does that make
>> you?
>
> Pay attention and stay on topic. I am not a celiac or allergic to
> anything. Your constant kitchen sinking is boring.

Kitchen sinking? What are you even talking about? A person with celiac can
just as easily eat processed food as one who doesn't have it. Yes, they do
have to read labels and some will call companies before eating things.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 05:20:57 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:33:13 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:37:39 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> >> news >> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
>> >> >> > being sold.... Walmart maybe?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have seen that claim. I am eating some now. Let's see if I die.
>> >> >> Oh!
>> >> >> I'm eating it out of a Melamine soup mug made in China.
>> >> >
>> >> > You bought chicken that said Product of China? Was it blue skinned?
>> >>
>> >> No and no. The chicken is canned. Bought it from Amazon. A product
>> >> reviewer said it is a Sam's Club brand and that the chicken is from
>> >> China
>> >> even though it is packaged in the US. Don't know if any of that is
>> >> true.
>> >> The mugs were purchased years ago but I know they were made in China.
>> >
>> > This is what I hate. I have never, in my entire life, bought a can or
>> > a pouch of chicken. If you bought canned or pouched chicken, say it
>> > in the first place. When you say chicken without a modifier, then of
>> > course fresh is the default in most normal shoppers minds. Please
>> > don't expect the rest of us to know what you're talking about when you
>> > don't tell us in the first place and please don't pass on rumors and
>> > speculation.
>>
>> Someone knew what I was talking about!
>
> She guessed because she knows you don't bother with real food and she
> had bought some for her dying cat.
>
>> I can't help that you didn't. And
>> no, fresh is not always what people think about. And I can pass on
>> rumors
>> and speculation if I want. You're not in charge of this group.
>
> You made it sound as if the chicken as if it was real chicken not some
> process glop in a can or pouch.

It's not glop and no, I didn't make it sound like that.