<https://www.yahoo.com/health/when-wa...nk-your-teeth-
into-a-102277123477.html>

Dr. Peter Gibson, who in 2011 linked gluten to gastric distress has new
data that undermines that study. It's apparently more complicated than
he thought, and gluten isn't the culprit for 99% of people.

"Mark Storkamp" > wrote in message
...
> <https://www.yahoo.com/health/when-wa...nk-your-teeth-
> into-a-102277123477.html>
>
> Dr. Peter Gibson, who in 2011 linked gluten to gastric distress has new
> data that undermines that study. It's apparently more complicated than
> he thought, and gluten isn't the culprit for 99% of people.

Somebody posted a link on another newsgroup that said that even for celiacs,
gluten isn't the only culprit and it is much more complicated than we think.

But another problem comes from the way that grains are grown, stored and
transported. Leaves them vulnerable to cross contamination from other
grains.

Gluten is not a problem for me but rye and barley are.

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Mark Storkamp" > wrote in message
> ...
> > <https://www.yahoo.com/health/when-wa...nk-your-teeth-
> > into-a-102277123477.html>
> >
> > Dr. Peter Gibson, who in 2011 linked gluten to gastric distress has new
> > data that undermines that study. It's apparently more complicated than
> > he thought, and gluten isn't the culprit for 99% of people.
>
> Somebody posted a link on another newsgroup that said that even for celiacs,
> gluten isn't the only culprit and it is much more complicated than we think.
>
> But another problem comes from the way that grains are grown, stored and
> transported. Leaves them vulnerable to cross contamination from other
> grains.
>
> Gluten is not a problem for me but rye and barley are.

I just love how one day eating eggs will kill you, then the next day
they're okay again, but don't drink coffee, until that's found to be
beneficial as long as you don't eat bacon. But then it's really not so
bad as long as you avoid sugar, but next we hear sugar is better than
the alternative ...

It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
funding.

On 2014-11-13, Mark Storkamp > wrote:

> It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
> funding.

Ya' think!?

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:38:45 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-11-13, Mark Storkamp > wrote:
>
> > It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
> > funding.
>
> Ya' think!?

My take is this. If you feel better not eating gluten, don't eat it.
But you have to be willing to do do the elimination diet routine to see which foods affect you adversely. If a food bothers you or gives you gastric distress or disagreeable symptoms.......duh.....don't eat it.

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:38:24 PM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:38:45 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
> > On 2014-11-13, Mark Storkamp > wrote:
> >
> > > It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
> > > funding.
> >
> > Ya' think!?
>
> My take is this. If you feel better not eating gluten, don't eat it.
> But you have to be willing to do do the elimination diet routine to see which foods affect you adversely. If a food bothers you or gives you gastric distress or disagreeable symptoms.......duh.....don't eat it.

The percentage of people who have problems with gluten are quite small but these turkeys who write books like "Wheat Belly" cause people to think otherwise. Your advice is good.

On 11/13/2014 11:18 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:38:24 PM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:38:45 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2014-11-13, Mark Storkamp > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
>>>> funding.
>>>
>>> Ya' think!?
>>
>> My take is this. If you feel better not eating gluten, don't eat it.
>> But you have to be willing to do do the elimination diet routine to see which foods affect you adversely. If a food bothers you or gives you gastric distress or disagreeable symptoms.......duh.....don't eat it.
>
> The percentage of people who have problems with gluten are quite small but these turkeys who write books like "Wheat Belly" cause people to think otherwise. Your advice is good.
>

It's the same hysteria with MSG. Some Chinese guy writes a letter to the
New England Journal of Medicine describing a set of reactions that he
got when eating at Chinese restaurants in the US and speculates on some
ingredients that might be responsible for it - MSG being one of them.
This rings a chord with people and the idea goes viral even before there
was Youtube. Chinese Restaurant Syndrome was born and the rest is
history. It was the letter that shook heaven and earth - culinarily
speaking. :-)

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:18:57 PM UTC-8, Roy wrote:
> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:38:24 PM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:38:45 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
> > > On 2014-11-13, Mark Storkamp > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
> > > > funding.
> > >
> > > Ya' think!?
> >
> > My take is this. If you feel better not eating gluten, don't eat it.
> > But you have to be willing to do do the elimination diet routine to see which foods affect you adversely. If a food bothers you or gives you gastric distress or disagreeable symptoms.......duh.....don't eat it.
>
> The percentage of people who have problems with gluten are quite small but these turkeys who write books like "Wheat Belly" cause people to think otherwise. Your advice is good.

The problem is that gluten is added to almost every processed food that people eat. If you will check food labels you will find it, not always stated as "gluten", but coded as well. This causes huge overloads of wheat gluten in the diet of the majority of people in the US.

I think it is this overload, just like the overload of sweeteners that causes most people problems.

If you cut out processed foods you will cut your health problems out as well. IMHO.

On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:19:55 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:18:57 PM UTC-8, Roy wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:38:24 PM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
>> > On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:38:45 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
>> > > On 2014-11-13, Mark Storkamp > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
>> > > > funding.
>> > >
>> > > Ya' think!?
>> >
>> > My take is this. If you feel better not eating gluten, don't eat it.
>> > But you have to be willing to do do the elimination diet routine to see which foods affect you adversely. If a food bothers you or gives you gastric distress or disagreeable symptoms.......duh.....don't eat it.
>>
>> The percentage of people who have problems with gluten are quite small but these turkeys who write books like "Wheat Belly" cause people to think otherwise. Your advice is good.
>
>The problem is that gluten is added to almost every processed food that people eat. If you will check food labels you will find it, not always stated as "gluten", but coded as well. This causes huge overloads of wheat gluten in the diet of the majority of people in the US.
>
>I think it is this overload, just like the overload of sweeteners that causes most people problems.
>
>If you cut out processed foods you will cut your health problems out as well. IMHO.

I totally agree with you ImStillMags.

koko

--

Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

"Mark Storkamp" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> "Mark Storkamp" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > <https://www.yahoo.com/health/when-wa...nk-your-teeth-
>> > into-a-102277123477.html>
>> >
>> > Dr. Peter Gibson, who in 2011 linked gluten to gastric distress has new
>> > data that undermines that study. It's apparently more complicated than
>> > he thought, and gluten isn't the culprit for 99% of people.
>>
>> Somebody posted a link on another newsgroup that said that even for
>> celiacs,
>> gluten isn't the only culprit and it is much more complicated than we
>> think.
>>
>> But another problem comes from the way that grains are grown, stored and
>> transported. Leaves them vulnerable to cross contamination from other
>> grains.
>>
>> Gluten is not a problem for me but rye and barley are.
>
> I just love how one day eating eggs will kill you, then the next day
> they're okay again, but don't drink coffee, until that's found to be
> beneficial as long as you don't eat bacon. But then it's really not so
> bad as long as you avoid sugar, but next we hear sugar is better than
> the alternative ...
>
> It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
> funding.

AFAIK, no food will kill me. But eggs do make me very, very sick. I can
eat bacon and although I don't really avoid sugar, I am diabetic so I do
watch my overall carbs.

Oh, wait! Perhaps when you say, "you", you don't specifically mean me.

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:38:45 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
>> On 2014-11-13, Mark Storkamp > wrote:
>>
>> > It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
>> > funding.
>>
>> Ya' think!?
>
> My take is this. If you feel better not eating gluten, don't eat it.
> But you have to be willing to do do the elimination diet routine to see
> which foods affect you adversely. If a food bothers you or gives you
> gastric distress or disagreeable symptoms.......duh.....don't eat it.

Agree. And to my way of thinking, the reason why something makes you sick
doesn't really matter so much. But in the case of celiac, in some countries
(not here), a diagnosis will entitle you to special circumstances when it
comes to food. Since this doesn't apply to me, I don't know the particulars
but I think it might be a tax break on special foods purchased.

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:18:57 PM UTC-8, Roy wrote:
> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:38:24 PM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:38:45 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
> > > On 2014-11-13, Mark Storkamp > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
> > > > funding.
> > >
> > > Ya' think!?
> >
> > My take is this. If you feel better not eating gluten, don't eat it.
> > But you have to be willing to do do the elimination diet routine to see
> > which foods affect you adversely. If a food bothers you or gives you
> > gastric distress or disagreeable symptoms.......duh.....don't eat it.
>
> The percentage of people who have problems with gluten are quite small but
> these turkeys who write books like "Wheat Belly" cause people to think
> otherwise. Your advice is good.

The problem is that gluten is added to almost every processed food that
people eat. If you will check food labels you will find it, not always
stated as "gluten", but coded as well. This causes huge overloads of wheat
gluten in the diet of the majority of people in the US.

I think it is this overload, just like the overload of sweeteners that
causes most people problems.

If you cut out processed foods you will cut your health problems out as
well. IMHO.

---

That and there is also the school of thought that the wheat we get today is
modified from what it used to be. And that could be the problem.

Mark Storkamp wrote:
> <https://www.yahoo.com/health/when-wa...nk-your-teeth-
> into-a-102277123477.html>
>
> Dr. Peter Gibson, who in 2011 linked gluten to gastric distress has
> new data that undermines that study. It's apparently more complicated
> than he thought, and gluten isn't the culprit for 99% of people.

There's a big article in a recent New Yorker Magazine about gluten-free
food and whether or not it's legit. I don't think they come to a firm
conclusion but it is interesting reading. The entire issue is foodie -
lots of good reading, IMHO.

-S-

On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:22:51 -0600, Mark Storkamp
> wrote:

><https://www.yahoo.com/health/when-wa...nk-your-teeth-
>into-a-102277123477.html>
>
>Dr. Peter Gibson, who in 2011 linked gluten to gastric distress has new
>data that undermines that study. It's apparently more complicated than
>he thought, and gluten isn't the culprit for 99% of people.

The culprit for what exactly?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 11:33:53 -0600, Mark Storkamp
> wrote:

>
>I just love how one day eating eggs will kill you, then the next day
>they're okay again, but don't drink coffee, until that's found to be
>beneficial as long as you don't eat bacon. But then it's really not so
>bad as long as you avoid sugar, but next we hear sugar is better than
>the alternative ...
>
>It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
>funding.

You're one of those that makes cynical people look like idiots.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/13/2014 11:18 AM, Roy wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:38:24 PM UTC-7, ImStillMags wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:38:45 AM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2014-11-13, Mark Storkamp > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
>>>>> funding.
>>>>
>>>> Ya' think!?
>>>
>>> My take is this. If you feel better not eating gluten, don't eat it.
>>> But you have to be willing to do do the elimination diet routine to see
>>> which foods affect you adversely. If a food bothers you or gives you
>>> gastric distress or disagreeable symptoms.......duh.....don't eat it.
>>
>> The percentage of people who have problems with gluten are quite small
>> but these turkeys who write books like "Wheat Belly" cause people to
>> think otherwise. Your advice is good.
>>
>
> It's the same hysteria with MSG. Some Chinese guy writes a letter to the
> New England Journal of Medicine describing a set of reactions that he got
> when eating at Chinese restaurants in the US and speculates on some
> ingredients that might be responsible for it - MSG being one of them. This
> rings a chord with people and the idea goes viral even before there was
> Youtube. Chinese Restaurant Syndrome was born and the rest is history. It
> was the letter that shook heaven and earth - culinarily speaking. :-)

Yep, read all that but I still use it. Sparingly but then I don't think it
is supposed to be used in quantity

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

In article >,
"Steve Freides" > wrote:

> Mark Storkamp wrote:
> > <https://www.yahoo.com/health/when-wa...nk-your-teeth-
> > into-a-102277123477.html>
> >
> > Dr. Peter Gibson, who in 2011 linked gluten to gastric distress has
> > new data that undermines that study. It's apparently more complicated
> > than he thought, and gluten isn't the culprit for 99% of people.
>
> There's a big article in a recent New Yorker Magazine about gluten-free
> food and whether or not it's legit. I don't think they come to a firm
> conclusion but it is interesting reading. The entire issue is foodie -
> lots of good reading, IMHO.
>
> -S-

Not having read that article, were they saying that some gluten free
products do contain gluten, or that people don't all need to go gluten
free? I could believe the former to be true, since I've had salt free
foods that were definitely salted.

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Mark Storkamp" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Mark Storkamp" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > <https://www.yahoo.com/health/when-wa...nk-your-teeth-
> >> > into-a-102277123477.html>
> >> >
> >> > Dr. Peter Gibson, who in 2011 linked gluten to gastric distress has new
> >> > data that undermines that study. It's apparently more complicated than
> >> > he thought, and gluten isn't the culprit for 99% of people.
> >>
> >> Somebody posted a link on another newsgroup that said that even for
> >> celiacs,
> >> gluten isn't the only culprit and it is much more complicated than we
> >> think.
> >>
> >> But another problem comes from the way that grains are grown, stored and
> >> transported. Leaves them vulnerable to cross contamination from other
> >> grains.
> >>
> >> Gluten is not a problem for me but rye and barley are.
> >
> > I just love how one day eating eggs will kill you, then the next day
> > they're okay again, but don't drink coffee, until that's found to be
> > beneficial as long as you don't eat bacon. But then it's really not so
> > bad as long as you avoid sugar, but next we hear sugar is better than
> > the alternative ...
> >
> > It might make a cynical person think they're just doing this for the
> > funding.
>
> AFAIK, no food will kill me. But eggs do make me very, very sick. I can
> eat bacon and although I don't really avoid sugar, I am diabetic so I do
> watch my overall carbs.
>
> Oh, wait! Perhaps when you say, "you", you don't specifically mean me.

you |yo?|
pronoun [ second person singular or plural ]
1 used to refer to the person or people that the speaker is addressing :
are you listening? | I love you.
2 used to refer to any person in general : after a while, you get used
to it.

Yes, I meant the 2nd definition of 'you'

On Friday, November 14, 2014 7:41:05 AM UTC-8, Mark Storkamp wrote:


Mark, I just read this article this morning. There are people on this forum who will automatically dismiss it but I think it is quite relevant. It could be that the RoundUp that is used on the wheat in the US has been the culprit, or at least a factor. Personally I think RoundUp should be banned.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...ts-not-gluten/

Mark Storkamp wrote:
> In article >,
> "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>
>> Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>> <https://www.yahoo.com/health/when-wa...nk-your-teeth-
>>> into-a-102277123477.html>
>>>
>>> Dr. Peter Gibson, who in 2011 linked gluten to gastric distress has
>>> new data that undermines that study. It's apparently more
>>> complicated than he thought, and gluten isn't the culprit for 99%
>>> of people.
>>
>> There's a big article in a recent New Yorker Magazine about
>> gluten-free food and whether or not it's legit. I don't think they
>> come to a firm conclusion but it is interesting reading. The entire
>> issue is foodie - lots of good reading, IMHO.
>>
>> -S-
>
> Not having read that article, were they saying that some gluten free
> products do contain gluten, or that people don't all need to go gluten
> free? I could believe the former to be true, since I've had salt free
> foods that were definitely salted.

IMHO, the article presents a lot of facts and stories, and doesn't draw
a lot of conclusions. They leave that up to you, and so will I.

-S-

On 11/14/2014 1:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> Yep, read all that but I still use it. Sparingly but then I don't think
> it is supposed to be used in quantity
>

That was one powerful letter! Part of this MSG thing originates with our
distrust of the Chinese. It's an attitude that's still going strong today.

On 2014-11-14, Steve Freides > wrote:
> Mark Storkamp wrote:

>> Not having read that article, were they saying that some gluten free
>> products do contain gluten, or that people don't all need to go gluten
>> free? I could believe the former to be true, since I've had salt free
>> foods that were definitely salted.

> IMHO, the article presents a lot of facts and stories, and doesn't draw
> a lot of conclusions. They leave that up to you, and so will I.

Seems to me it's all misdirection, a red herring. Get all upset about
gluten, carbohydrates, e-coli, peanuts, fingers in chili, etc, while
totally ignoring the fact the big ag is dumping more and more toxic
chemicals on everything you eat/touch/drink/ingest, every single day.
Everything is dying. Bees, breasts, balls, you name it, it's on the
short list.

They've found more than a 150 industrial chemicals in a newborn baby's
umbelical cord, ferchrysakes! Now that the most media outlets are
part of the same conglomerates as the chemcos, yer not likely to hear
much about it, like the DDT scares of the 50s. Silent Spring? Try
silent Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter.

nb

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/14/2014 1:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yep, read all that but I still use it. Sparingly but then I don't think
>> it is supposed to be used in quantity
>>
>
> That was one powerful letter! Part of this MSG thing originates with our
> distrust of the Chinese. It's an attitude that's still going strong today.

Well, I have nothing against either the Chinese or MSG) Is it racism?


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Friday, November 14, 2014 8:32:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 11/14/2014 1:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Yep, read all that but I still use it. Sparingly but then I don't think
> >> it is supposed to be used in quantity
> >>
> >
> > That was one powerful letter! Part of this MSG thing originates with our
> > distrust of the Chinese. It's an attitude that's still going strong today.
>
> Well, I have nothing against either the Chinese or MSG) Is it racism?
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

One only has to look at the posts on this newsgroup to see the mistrust of the Chinese by Westerners. China has typically had a more advanced civilization than the rest of the world pretty much from the start. It seems fairly obvious that it's going to be the manufacturing/technological giant in this century.

We, as Americans, like to think that the sun never sets on ourselves but we should remember what happened to the last people that had that attitude. And the beat goes on.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:09:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Friday, November 14, 2014 8:32:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On 11/14/2014 1:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Yep, read all that but I still use it. Sparingly but then I don't think
> > >> it is supposed to be used in quantity
> > >>
> > >
> > > That was one powerful letter! Part of this MSG thing originates with our
> > > distrust of the Chinese. It's an attitude that's still going strong today.
> >
> > Well, I have nothing against either the Chinese or MSG) Is it racism?
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
> One only has to look at the posts on this newsgroup to see the mistrust of the Chinese by Westerners. China has typically had a more advanced civilization than the rest of the world pretty much from the start. It seems fairly obvious that it's going to be the manufacturing/technological giant in this century.
>
> We, as Americans, like to think that the sun never sets on ourselves but we should remember what happened to the last people that had that attitude. And the beat goes on.

The Chinese star has dimmed. They used to be innovators, now they
just steal ideas and copy products. They don't even try to make a
better version. They make a look alike with zero quality.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, November 14, 2014 8:32:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 11/14/2014 1:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yep, read all that but I still use it. Sparingly but then I don't
>> >> think
>> >> it is supposed to be used in quantity
>> >>
>> >
>> > That was one powerful letter! Part of this MSG thing originates with
>> > our
>> > distrust of the Chinese. It's an attitude that's still going strong
>> > today.
>>
>> Well, I have nothing against either the Chinese or MSG) Is it racism?
> One only has to look at the posts on this newsgroup to see the mistrust of
> the Chinese by Westerners. China has typically had a more advanced
> civilization than the rest of the world pretty much from the start. It
> seems fairly obvious that it's going to be the manufacturing/technological
> giant in this century.
>
> We, as Americans, like to think that the sun never sets on ourselves but
> we should remember what happened to the last people that had that
> attitude. And the beat goes on.

From what I read here, a lot of your stuff is produced in China.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Friday, November 14, 2014 10:27:48 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:09:49 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, November 14, 2014 8:32:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "dsi1" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On 11/14/2014 1:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Yep, read all that but I still use it. Sparingly but then I don't think
> > > >> it is supposed to be used in quantity
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > That was one powerful letter! Part of this MSG thing originates with our
> > > > distrust of the Chinese. It's an attitude that's still going strong today.
> > >
> > > Well, I have nothing against either the Chinese or MSG) Is it racism?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >
> > One only has to look at the posts on this newsgroup to see the mistrust of the Chinese by Westerners. China has typically had a more advanced civilization than the rest of the world pretty much from the start. It seems fairly obvious that it's going to be the manufacturing/technological giant in this century.
> >
> > We, as Americans, like to think that the sun never sets on ourselves but we should remember what happened to the last people that had that attitude. And the beat goes on.
>
> The Chinese star has dimmed. They used to be innovators, now they
> just steal ideas and copy products. They don't even try to make a
> better version. They make a look alike with zero quality.
>
>
> --
> Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

I think you're right that the Chinese aren't innovators but the Japanese were the same way 50 years ago. My belief is that this will change as they start seeing themselves in a more confident light.

My assumption is that most of the Apple products are made in China - at least my iPad is. I also have a Japanese branded guitar made in China that's just spiffy. The Chinese are capable of making wonderful, beautiful, products as well as cheap crap. That's a damn good position to be in.

On Friday, November 14, 2014 10:31:01 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Friday, November 14, 2014 8:32:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On 11/14/2014 1:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Yep, read all that but I still use it. Sparingly but then I don't
> >> >> think
> >> >> it is supposed to be used in quantity
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > That was one powerful letter! Part of this MSG thing originates with
> >> > our
> >> > distrust of the Chinese. It's an attitude that's still going strong
> >> > today.
> >>
> >> Well, I have nothing against either the Chinese or MSG) Is it racism?
> > One only has to look at the posts on this newsgroup to see the mistrust of
> > the Chinese by Westerners. China has typically had a more advanced
> > civilization than the rest of the world pretty much from the start. It
> > seems fairly obvious that it's going to be the manufacturing/technological
> > giant in this century.
> >
> > We, as Americans, like to think that the sun never sets on ourselves but
> > we should remember what happened to the last people that had that
> > attitude. And the beat goes on.
>
> From what I read here, a lot of your stuff is produced in China.
>

Hawaiian trinkets? Unfortunately the answer is "yes." OTOH, my guess is that the hula-girl coconut bras might be made in the Philippines.

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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, November 14, 2014 10:31:01 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Friday, November 14, 2014 8:32:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On 11/14/2014 1:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yep, read all that but I still use it. Sparingly but then I don't
>> >> >> think
>> >> >> it is supposed to be used in quantity
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > That was one powerful letter! Part of this MSG thing originates with
>> >> > our
>> >> > distrust of the Chinese. It's an attitude that's still going strong
>> >> > today.
>> >>
>> >> Well, I have nothing against either the Chinese or MSG) Is it
>> >> racism?
>> > One only has to look at the posts on this newsgroup to see the mistrust
>> > of
>> > the Chinese by Westerners. China has typically had a more advanced
>> > civilization than the rest of the world pretty much from the start. It
>> > seems fairly obvious that it's going to be the
>> > manufacturing/technological
>> > giant in this century.
>> >
>> > We, as Americans, like to think that the sun never sets on ourselves
>> > but
>> > we should remember what happened to the last people that had that
>> > attitude. And the beat goes on.
>>
>> From what I read here, a lot of your stuff is produced in China.
>>
>
> Hawaiian trinkets? Unfortunately the answer is "yes." OTOH, my guess is
> that the hula-girl coconut bras might be made in the Philippines.

lol I know nothing of Hawaiian stuff. I mean the things posters here talk
about)


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On Friday, November 14, 2014 11:50:17 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
> lol I know nothing of Hawaiian stuff. I mean the things posters here talk
> about)
>
>
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Thanks for the clairfication. You are correct that a lot of the dishes that are popular here originate from the Chinese. The interesting thing is that we don't use much Chinese spices or exotic ingredents. If we want Chinese food, we go to a Chinese restaurant. We've always had Chinese and Japanese restaurants over here. OTOH, the hot food items these days are from the Koreans and the SE Asians.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, November 14, 2014 11:50:17 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>> lol I know nothing of Hawaiian stuff. I mean the things posters here
>> talk
>> about)
>
> Thanks for the clairfication. You are correct that a lot of the dishes
> that are popular here originate from the Chinese. The interesting thing is
> that we don't use much Chinese spices or exotic ingredents. If we want
> Chinese food, we go to a Chinese restaurant. We've always had Chinese and
> Japanese restaurants over here. OTOH, the hot food items these days are
> from the Koreans and the SE Asians.

Ah yes, I understood that, but I didn't mean food. I meant items they
supposed were made in USA they complain that they were in fact made in
China.


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"Mark Storkamp" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>
>> Mark Storkamp wrote:
>> > <https://www.yahoo.com/health/when-wa...nk-your-teeth-
>> > into-a-102277123477.html>
>> >
>> > Dr. Peter Gibson, who in 2011 linked gluten to gastric distress has
>> > new data that undermines that study. It's apparently more complicated
>> > than he thought, and gluten isn't the culprit for 99% of people.
>>
>> There's a big article in a recent New Yorker Magazine about gluten-free
>> food and whether or not it's legit. I don't think they come to a firm
>> conclusion but it is interesting reading. The entire issue is foodie -
>> lots of good reading, IMHO.
>>
>> -S-
>
> Not having read that article, were they saying that some gluten free
> products do contain gluten, or that people don't all need to go gluten
> free? I could believe the former to be true, since I've had salt free
> foods that were definitely salted.

You can never merely go by a label that says gluten free and assume that the
product is. Some of this depends on what country you live in. In some
countries, the product is tested and if it has less and some certain number,
then it can be said to be GF. In this country, we have things like Rice
Dream, rice milk. They use barely to polish the rice. Barley contains
gluten. So while the rice is gluten free and it will say gluten free on the
box, there might actually be gluten in the milk and people have reacted to
it. Then there are things that places like Walmart and Trader Joe's sell.
Things like tomato sauce and canned beans. Should be gluten free but made
on shared lines so can contain gluten. Even some gluten free baked goods
are baked in a facility shared with wheat to subject to cross contamination.
And the famous gluten free pizza. I want to say Dominos but not entirely
sure which chain it is. Has a disclaimer that it is not to be eaten by
people with celiac. Because while they are using GF ingredients, they can't
guarantee that the end result is GF.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:43:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>
> I think you're right that the Chinese aren't innovators but the Japanese were the same way 50 years ago.

True but their entire circumstances were different. Japan was
occupied until 1950 and the West was very hands on rebuilding the
economy and shaping their outlook.

> My belief is that this will change as they start seeing themselves in a more confident light.

First China needs to get rid of communism and that won't be happening
anywhere in the near future.
>
> My assumption is that most of the Apple products are made in China - at least my iPad is. I also have a Japanese branded guitar made in China that's just spiffy. The Chinese are capable of making wonderful, beautiful, products as well as cheap crap. That's a damn good position to be in.

Your iPad isn't a piece of crap because there are so many inspectors
from America over-seeing their factories. That doesn't mean they
don't try to cheat every chance they get. It's part of the culture
and being punishable by death doesn't seem to deter it.


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On 11/14/2014 12:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Friday, November 14, 2014 11:50:17 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "dsi1" <> wrote in message
>>> lol I know nothing of Hawaiian stuff. I mean the things posters here
>>> talk
>>> about)
>>
>> Thanks for the clairfication. You are correct that a lot of the dishes
>> that are popular here originate from the Chinese. The interesting
>> thing is
>> that we don't use much Chinese spices or exotic ingredents. If we want
>> Chinese food, we go to a Chinese restaurant. We've always had Chinese and
>> Japanese restaurants over here. OTOH, the hot food items these days are
>> from the Koreans and the SE Asians.
>
> Ah yes, I understood that, but I didn't mean food. I meant items they
> supposed were made in USA they complain that they were in fact made in
> China.
>
>

People here will complain about chicken being processed in China. They
think there's something not quite right with that. It sounds a little
goofy to me too but it's all about food on the cheap. I think it's a
great idea myself - now we can get Chinese chicken without even going to
a Chinese restaurant.

Generally speaking though - people will complain about most anything in
this group. It's their nature. :-)

On 2014-11-14 6:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> People here will complain about chicken being processed in China. They
> think there's something not quite right with that. It sounds a little
> goofy to me too but it's all about food on the cheap. I think it's a
> great idea myself - now we can get Chinese chicken without even going to
> a Chinese restaurant.
>
> Generally speaking though - people will complain about most anything in
> this group. It's their nature. :-)


That ranks right up there with people in the group complaining about
people in the group complaining.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:56:01 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> On 11/14/2014 12:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ah yes, I understood that, but I didn't mean food. I meant items they
> > supposed were made in USA they complain that they were in fact made in
> > China.
> >
> >
>
> People here will complain about chicken being processed in China. They
> think there's something not quite right with that. It sounds a little
> goofy to me too but it's all about food on the cheap. I think it's a
> great idea myself - now we can get Chinese chicken without even going to
> a Chinese restaurant.
>
> Generally speaking though - people will complain about most anything in
> this group. It's their nature. :-)

Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
being sold.... Walmart maybe?


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On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:18:09 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> You can never merely go by a label that says gluten free and assume that the
> product is. Some of this depends on what country you live in. In some
> countries, the product is tested and if it has less and some certain number,
> then it can be said to be GF. In this country, we have things like Rice
> Dream, rice milk. They use barely to polish the rice. Barley contains
> gluten. So while the rice is gluten free and it will say gluten free on the
> box, there might actually be gluten in the milk and people have reacted to
> it. Then there are things that places like Walmart and Trader Joe's sell.
> Things like tomato sauce and canned beans. Should be gluten free but made
> on shared lines so can contain gluten. Even some gluten free baked goods
> are baked in a facility shared with wheat to subject to cross contamination.
> And the famous gluten free pizza. I want to say Dominos but not entirely
> sure which chain it is. Has a disclaimer that it is not to be eaten by
> people with celiac. Because while they are using GF ingredients, they can't
> guarantee that the end result is GF.

People who *need* to eat gluten free ensure that they do it by not
buying processed food and cooking from scratch. Why is this such a
hard concept to understand?


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On 11/14/2014 2:00 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-11-14 6:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> People here will complain about chicken being processed in China. They
>> think there's something not quite right with that. It sounds a little
>> goofy to me too but it's all about food on the cheap. I think it's a
>> great idea myself - now we can get Chinese chicken without even going to
>> a Chinese restaurant.
>>
>> Generally speaking though - people will complain about most anything in
>> this group. It's their nature. :-)
>
>
> That ranks right up there with people in the group complaining about
> people in the group complaining.

Describing a condition ain't really complaining. I don't have any
problems with crabby folks just being themselves.

On 11/14/2014 2:04 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:56:01 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 11/14/2014 12:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah yes, I understood that, but I didn't mean food. I meant items they
>>> supposed were made in USA they complain that they were in fact made in
>>> China.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> People here will complain about chicken being processed in China. They
>> think there's something not quite right with that. It sounds a little
>> goofy to me too but it's all about food on the cheap. I think it's a
>> great idea myself - now we can get Chinese chicken without even going to
>> a Chinese restaurant.
>>
>> Generally speaking though - people will complain about most anything in
>> this group. It's their nature. :-)
>
> Have you figured out yet where this supposed "Chinese chicken" is
> being sold.... Walmart maybe?
>
>

My guess is that it could be sold anywhere. My assumption is that you
have no way of knowing if the chicken was processed in China or not. I
don't even know if Chinese processed chickens are being sold in this
country or not. Info on this is hard to find. I guess nobody wants to
spill the beans. Not that it matters much to me, what's it gonna do kill
me? :-)

http://www.takepart.com/article/2014...hinese-chicken

On 11/14/2014 1:53 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:43:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think you're right that the Chinese aren't innovators but the Japanese were the same way 50 years ago.
>
> True but their entire circumstances were different. Japan was
> occupied until 1950 and the West was very hands on rebuilding the
> economy and shaping their outlook.
>
>> My belief is that this will change as they start seeing themselves in a more confident light.
>
> First China needs to get rid of communism and that won't be happening
> anywhere in the near future.
>>
>> My assumption is that most of the Apple products are made in China - at least my iPad is. I also have a Japanese branded guitar made in China that's just spiffy. The Chinese are capable of making wonderful, beautiful, products as well as cheap crap. That's a damn good position to be in.
>
> Your iPad isn't a piece of crap because there are so many inspectors
> from America over-seeing their factories. That doesn't mean they
> don't try to cheat every chance they get. It's part of the culture
> and being punishable by death doesn't seem to deter it.
>
>

I don't have any info on whether or not the Chinese will try to cheat
every chance they get. Are you saying that Americans are fully capable
of making quality products without QC oversight or accountability? That
would be just wonderful.

Let me tell you, the Chinese don't trust the Americans any more than we
trust them.