To:
On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> wrote:

>>In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
>>that most prefer goods NOT from China.

> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
> China only months ago.

You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!

The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
"quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
periods.

I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
the US made jack.

Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
--or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
entire US car industry. You all know that story.

I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
warmer and still in daily use.

Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.

nb

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To: notbob
On 8 Dec 2014 16:54:31 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!

Try to tell anyone from Taiwan that they are in China, White Man.

--
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To: notbob
On 12/8/2014 10:54 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>> wrote:
>
>>> In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
>>> that most prefer goods NOT from China.
>
>> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
>> China only months ago.
>
> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>
> The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
> nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
> "quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
> audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
> periods.
>
> I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
> most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
> looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
> was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
> the US made jack.
>
> Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
> counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
> ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
> --or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
> union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
> if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
> entire US car industry. You all know that story.
>
> I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
> price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
> warmer and still in daily use.
>
> Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
> than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
>
> nb
>

Let's not forget that Chinese factories were poisoning our pets and
their own babies with adulterated products.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

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To: notbob
On Monday, December 8, 2014 6:54:36 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
> > On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> > wrote:
>
> >>In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
> >>that most prefer goods NOT from China.
>
> > That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
> > China only months ago.
>
> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>
> The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
> nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
> "quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
> audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
> periods.
>
> I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
> most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
> looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
> was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
> the US made jack.
>
> Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
> counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
> ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
> --or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
> union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
> if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
> entire US car industry. You all know that story.
>
> I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
> price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
> warmer and still in daily use.
>
> Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
> than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
>
> nb

I love cheap floor jacks - they're great! I'd love to get one of those
light-weight alloy ones but they're kinda expensive. OTOH, most likely, those
are made in China too.

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To: Janet Wilder
On 2014-12-08, Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Let's not forget that Chinese factories were poisoning our pets and
> their own babies with adulterated products.

And we are not!?

One of the reasons we offshore jobs is cuz big companies can get away
with horrific toxic pollution. Also, last I heard, the GMO farmers
are already upping the amt of Roundup and other death juices required to
kill the now highly resistant bugs/weeds. The run-off of toxic
chemicals from agribiz and CAFO's is killing our waterways. Huge dead
zones exist in Hudson Bay, Gulf of Mexico, etc.

Love Canal, Hinkley, etc. You think our own country is not poisoning
the crap outta us!? There are over 1300 superfund sites around the
US. Most will never be cleaned up. They will jes add to the general
pollution that threatens to kill us all.

nb

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To: notbob
On 08/12/2014 9:54 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>> wrote:
>
>>> In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
>>> that most prefer goods NOT from China.
>
>> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
>> China only months ago.
>
> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>
> The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
> nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
> "quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
> audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
> periods.
>
> I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
> most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
> looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
> was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
> the US made jack.
>
> Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
> counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
> ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
> --or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
> union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
> if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
> entire US car industry. You all know that story.
>
> I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
> price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
> warmer and still in daily use.
>
> Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
> than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
>
> nb
>
So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
products doesn't help! You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere
near as big or dominant as is China's.
I really question your patriotism!
Graham

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On 08/12/2014 11:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, December 8, 2014 6:54:36 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
>> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
>>>> that most prefer goods NOT from China.
>>
>>> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
>>> China only months ago.
>>
>> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
>> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
>> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>>
>> The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
>> nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
>> "quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
>> audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
>> periods.
>>
>> I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
>> most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
>> looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
>> was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
>> the US made jack.
>>
>> Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
>> counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
>> ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
>> --or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
>> union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
>> if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
>> entire US car industry. You all know that story.
>>
>> I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
>> price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
>> warmer and still in daily use.
>>
>> Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
>> than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
>>
>> nb
>
> I love cheap floor jacks - they're great!

Especially when they fail and the car drops on you!
Graham

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To: graham
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:20:10 -0700, graham > wrote:

> So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
> been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
> products doesn't help! You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere
> near as big or dominant as is China's.
> I really question your patriotism!

Notbob is a very opinionated person and it's his way or the highway.


--
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To: graham
On Monday, December 8, 2014 8:33:57 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 08/12/2014 11:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, December 8, 2014 6:54:36 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> >> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
> >>>> that most prefer goods NOT from China.
> >>
> >>> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
> >>> China only months ago.
> >>
> >> You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> >> spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> >> which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
> >>
> >> The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
> >> nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
> >> "quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
> >> audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
> >> periods.
> >>
> >> I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
> >> most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
> >> looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
> >> was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
> >> the US made jack.
> >>
> >> Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
> >> counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
> >> ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
> >> --or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
> >> union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
> >> if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
> >> entire US car industry. You all know that story.
> >>
> >> I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
> >> price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
> >> warmer and still in daily use.
> >>
> >> Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
> >> than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> > I love cheap floor jacks - they're great!
>
> Especially when they fail and the car drops on you!
> Graham

Are you suggesting that American-made floor jacks do not fail? As it goes, you
should use floor jacks only to lift cars up on to jack stands or some other
redundant support. It ain't real safe to rely on a single jack to hold your big
old American car
off of your body. The hydralic pressure in the jack is retained by a tiny
little needle valve - like a giant boulder being held by a finger. My
suggestion is that you learn proper floor jack safty. You must have been asleep
when they taught this in auto
shop 101. :-)

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On 08/12/2014 12:00 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:20:10 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>> So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
>> been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
>> products doesn't help! You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere
>> near as big or dominant as is China's.
>> I really question your patriotism!
>
> Notbob is a very opinionated person and it's his way or the highway.
>
>
I've been accused of the same thing!;-)
Graham

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To:
On 2014-12-08, dsi1 > wrote:

> those light-weight alloy ones but they're kinda expensive. OTOH,
> most likely, those are made in China too.

They are. I had one. It was still better than the US made (so
claimed) one that cost $200.

nb

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To: graham
On 2014-12-08, graham > wrote:

> So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
> been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
> products doesn't help!

I am promoting zero Chinese products. I'm merely stating the quality
of the products they do make for US companies is controlled by that US
company! China does not set the bar. "Make us a $5 widget for $1."
You actually think that $1 widget is gonna be quality?

> You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere near as big or
> dominant as is China's.

No one's economy is as big as China's. But, at the height of their
economic prosperity, Japan had the largest, strongest, and most robust
economy in the World. At least according to Time magazine. At least
until their bubble exploded, too.

> I really question your patriotism!

Question away!!

I'll be the first to assure you, I have very little patriotism left
for this country. Despite having served, this county has shown, over
and over, it doesn't give a rat's ass about it's veterans or the
"common man". We live in a total police state (no! I didn't stutter),
our constittuional rights have been long ago stripped away, and the
govt is killing us jes as fast as they can shovel money into big
pharma's pockets.

As for that old redneck saw, "If you don't like it, leave", believe
me, I'm looking.

nb

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To:
On Monday, December 8, 2014 10:04:56 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2014 16:54:31 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>>In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
> >>>that most prefer goods NOT from China.
> >
> >> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
> >> China only months ago.
> >
> >You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> >spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> >which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>
> Wow! I have some Taiwanese friends who would cut your throat for
> saying that, quite understandably too !

I've built a lot of computers over the years. The parts are mostly made in
Taiwan. Hell, I don't even know if we have the capability to build something
like a motherboard in the USA. The only component likely to be built in the US
are the hard drives.
Perhaps I should try a non-American built drive cause those things don't last
very long - I got a drawer of 'em to prove it.

> >
> >The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
> >nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
> >"quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
> >audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
> >periods.
> >
> >I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
> >most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
> >looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
> >was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
> >the US made jack.
> >
> >Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
> >counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
> >ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
> >--or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
> >union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
> >if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
> >entire US car industry. You all know that story.
> >
> >I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
> >price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
> >warmer and still in daily use.
> >
> >Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
> >than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
> >
> >nb

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To: notbob
On Monday, December 8, 2014 9:56:36 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-12-08, dsi1 <> wrote:
>
> > been asleep when they taught this in auto shop 101. :-)
>
> Apparently.
>
> No one but a fool would crawl under a vehicle with only a floor jack
> holding it up. Chrystonacrutch!, at least shove a couple o' concrete
> blocks or pieces of firewood under there.
>
> nb

Firewood???!!! :-)

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To: notbob
On 8 Dec 2014 16:54:31 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>> wrote:
>
>>>In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
>>>that most prefer goods NOT from China.
>
>> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
>> China only months ago.
>
>You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
>spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
>which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!

Wow! I have some Taiwanese friends who would cut your throat for
saying that, quite understandably too !
>
>The "made in China" taint is no worse than the 50s "made in Japan"
>nonsense. Thirty yrs later, Americans are going apey over Japanese
>"quality", which is total bull. I hadda closet fulla dead Japanese
>audio and photo gear that jes barely made it through their warranty
>periods.
>
>I've bought plenty of Chinese stuff and it's no better or worse than
>most of the stuff made in USA. In fact, the US made floor jack I
>looked at was almost $200. The Chinese floor jack I actually bought
>was the same size, cost only $40, and was a tad bit better made than
>the US made jack.
>
>Besides, who is actually creating the products? It's the same bean
>counting MBAs who make US products that are so poor in quality, that
>ppl look for non US-made alternatives. Yes! My ex-GF refused to buy
>--or let me buy for her-- any clothing made in the US, specially by
>union workers. She claimed the quality was demonstrably poor. Better
>if made in Indonesia or India or Chin...... I'll not go into the
>entire US car industry. You all know that story.
>
>I returned a top-of-the-line down Winter parka cuz it was crap w/ a $300+
>price tag. The $19 ranch coat I bought at Walmart, 10 yrs ago, is
>warmer and still in daily use.
>
>Once again, notbob reiterates that old saying, "you gotta be smarter
>than the product". Junk is junk, regardless of who made it.
>
>nb

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To:
On 2014-12-08, dsi1 > wrote:

> been asleep when they taught this in auto shop 101. :-)

Apparently.

No one but a fool would crawl under a vehicle with only a floor jack
holding it up. Chrystonacrutch!, at least shove a couple o' concrete
blocks or pieces of firewood under there.

nb

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On 2014-12-08 2:00 PM, sf wrote:
>> So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
>> been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
>> products doesn't help! You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere
>> near as big or dominant as is China's.
>> I really question your patriotism!
>
> Notbob is a very opinionated person and it's his way or the highway.
>

Birds of a feather I see.

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To:
On 2014-12-08, > wrote:

> Wow! I have some Taiwanese friends who would cut your throat for
> saying that, quite understandably too !

I have a couple friends that say they would lose their heads, should
they so desire to respond in such a manner. American made, too!

Anyway, how so? What? The ppl on Taiwan are NOT Chinese!? What are
they? Australian aborigines?

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To:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:04:49 -0400, wrote:

> On 8 Dec 2014 16:54:31 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:10:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>>In Silicon Valley it is the Chinese immigrants
> >>>that most prefer goods NOT from China.
> >
> >> That thought went through my mind because I know they have come from
> >> China only months ago.
> >
> >You ppl that do a blanket condemnation of Chinese products don't know
> >spit about quality. Some the best electronics come out of Taiwan,
> >which is --last time I checked-- populated by mostly Chinese ppl!
>
> Wow! I have some Taiwanese friends who would cut your throat for
> saying that, quite understandably too !

Yup. That was quite an ignorant statement for someone who claims to
have a California high tech background where he should have bumped
into a few Taiwanese.

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To: graham
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:35:39 -0700, graham > wrote:

> On 08/12/2014 12:00 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:20:10 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >
> >> So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
> >> been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
> >> products doesn't help! You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere
> >> near as big or dominant as is China's.
> >> I really question your patriotism!
> >
> > Notbob is a very opinionated person and it's his way or the highway.
> >
> >
> I've been accused of the same thing!;-)

Haven't we all?


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On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:07:08 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Monday, December 8, 2014 9:56:36 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> > On 2014-12-08, dsi1 <> wrote:
> >
> > > been asleep when they taught this in auto shop 101. :-)
> >
> > Apparently.
> >
> > No one but a fool would crawl under a vehicle with only a floor jack
> > holding it up. Chrystonacrutch!, at least shove a couple o' concrete
> > blocks or pieces of firewood under there.
> >
> > nb
>
> Firewood???!!! :-)

My guess is it's nb's way to make kindling.

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On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:14:32 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> The only component likely to be built in the US are the hard drives. Perhaps
I should try a non-American built drive cause those things don't last very long
- I got a drawer of 'em to prove it.

My computer guy said they die because the HD gets too hot and blames
the amount of space allowed for air circulation for it. He advised me
against installing a hybrid HD for this computer because I'd have to
upgrade so many other parts that I might as well buy a new one, so
I'll let this (2T) HD die in 3-4 more years and just buy a new
computer... with a hybrid HD. Or maybe I'll go completely SSD and
keep everything on thumb drives. Haven't given that part much thought
to tell you the truth. You're way ahead of my curve, so you'll
probably figure it out before I even have to face it.

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To: notbob
On 2014-12-08 2:56 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-12-08, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> been asleep when they taught this in auto shop 101. :-)
>
> Apparently.
>
> No one but a fool would crawl under a vehicle with only a floor jack
> holding it up. Chrystonacrutch!, at least shove a couple o' concrete
> blocks or pieces of firewood under there.



Concrete blocks aren't much better. Those things are easily split with a
light blow from a hammer. A piece of firewood big enough to do the job
would be too heavy to move and take up too much working room. Jack
stands are the way to go.

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To: Dave Smith
On 2014-12-08, Dave Smith > wrote:

> Concrete blocks aren't much better. Those things are easily split with a
> light blow from a hammer.

Put a piece of wood on top of the block.

> move and take up too much working room.

Perhaps, if you are working on an Isetta. Not if yer working under a
full sized Ford van.

> Jack stands are the way to go.

Try and find a jack stand made in USA.

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On Monday, December 8, 2014 10:26:46 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:14:32 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > The only component likely to be built in the US are the hard drives.
Perhaps I should try a non-American built drive cause those things don't last
very long - I got a drawer of 'em to prove it.
>
> My computer guy said they die because the HD gets too hot and blames
> the amount of space allowed for air circulation for it. He advised me
> against installing a hybrid HD for this computer because I'd have to
> upgrade so many other parts that I might as well buy a new one, so
> I'll let this (2T) HD die in 3-4 more years and just buy a new
> computer... with a hybrid HD. Or maybe I'll go completely SSD and
> keep everything on thumb drives. Haven't given that part much thought
> to tell you the truth. You're way ahead of my curve, so you'll
> probably figure it out before I even have to face it.
>

I don't know what causes the drives to fail but it's always a good idea to keep
some airspace between drives. OTOH, the component that causes the most trouble
in a desktop system is the powersupply.

I bought my last desktop computer. It was an offer I could not refuse. It was a
small, low-wattage, system. My other desktops have big processors that run at
95to 125 Watts. My new one runs around 7 to 9 Watts. With 4GB of RAM, 500GB HD,
and Win 8, for $
239 - what a deal! It even has a DVD burner. It's not so speedy but it'll work
fast enough for the work I gotta do.

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To: notbob
On 8 Dec 2014 20:14:51 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> As for that old redneck saw, "If you don't like it, leave", believe
> me, I'm looking.

Puerto Rico, American Samoa, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana
Islands and Guam seem like nice enough places to settle: not a state,
but still part of the USA.

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To:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:48:31 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-12-08 2:00 PM, sf wrote:
> >> So what happens to the US economy when *all* the manufacturing jobs have
> >> been exported? Enough already have been and your promotion of Chinese
> >> products doesn't help! You mentioned Japan but their economy was nowhere
> >> near as big or dominant as is China's.
> >> I really question your patriotism!
> >
> > Notbob is a very opinionated person and it's his way or the highway.
> >
>
> Birds of a feather I see.

Yes, you're very much like him.

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To: notbob
On 2014-12-08 3:28 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
>
>> Wow! I have some Taiwanese friends who would cut your throat for
>> saying that, quite understandably too !
>
> I have a couple friends that say they would lose their heads, should
> they so desire to respond in such a manner. American made, too!
>
> Anyway, how so? What? The ppl on Taiwan are NOT Chinese!? What are
> they? Australian aborigines?
>


They are Taiwanese. A friend of mine worked in Taiwan and had a
Taiwanese girlfriend. She might have looked Chinese to some people,but
she had some features that were unique to Taiwanese. She disliked Chinese.

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To: notbob
On 8 Dec 2014 22:32:15 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2014-12-08, sf > wrote:
>
> > Puerto Rico, American Samoa, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana
> > Islands and Guam seem like nice enough places to settle: not a state,
> > but still part of the USA.
>
> Which is why huge Chinese sweatshop factories can be set up and use
> Chinese, S. African, and Indian labor on these American protectorate
> islands, yet still be labeled as "made in USA". Thank you, dirtbag
> lobbyists.
>
You can say that again!


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To:
On 2014-12-08, sf > wrote:

> Puerto Rico, American Samoa, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana
> Islands and Guam seem like nice enough places to settle: not a state,
> but still part of the USA.

Which is why huge Chinese sweatshop factories can be set up and use
Chinese, S. African, and Indian labor on these American protectorate
islands, yet still be labeled as "made in USA". Thank you, dirtbag
lobbyists.

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On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:52:03 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> bought my last desktop computer. It was an offer I could not refuse. It was
a small, low-wattage, system. My other desktops have big processors that run at
95to 125 Watts. My new one runs around 7 to 9 Watts. With 4GB of RAM, 500GB HD,
and Win 8, for $
239 - what a deal! It even has a DVD burner. It's not so speedy but it'll work
fast enough for the work I gotta do.

I love my quad core processor and would get more cores if it's an
affordable option the next time around! Speaking of DVD burner.
Mine was dead (it died years ago after very little use), but I decided
I wouldn't replace it and get a portable drive instead. That way I
can use it on more than one computer.

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To: notbob
On 8 Dec 2014 20:28:30 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2014-12-08, > wrote:
>
> > Wow! I have some Taiwanese friends who would cut your throat for
> > saying that, quite understandably too !
>
> I have a couple friends that say they would lose their heads, should
> they so desire to respond in such a manner. American made, too!
>
> Anyway, how so? What? The ppl on Taiwan are NOT Chinese!? What are
> they? Australian aborigines?

For a hair splitter, you're having trouble parsing this one. Nobody
said they do not have an ethnic Chinese heritage, but the Taiwanese
want their own independence and sovereignty. They do NOT want to be
part of China or to be considered part of China by people like you.

Are you going to try to tell us we're really English or Mexican or
Spanish or French or Russian, depending on which country it is the USA
either fought for and won Independence, bought or stole the part they
live in from?

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On 2014-12-08 5:26 PM, sf wrote:
I really question your patriotism!
>>>
>>> Notbob is a very opinionated person and it's his way or the highway.
>>>
>>
>> Birds of a feather I see.
>
> Yes, you're very much like him.
>
I guess that makes three of us. ;-)

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"sf" -r76-this> wrote in message
...
> To: notbob
> On 8 Dec 2014 20:14:51 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> As for that old redneck saw, "If you don't like it, leave", believe
>> me, I'm looking.
>
> Puerto Rico, American Samoa, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana
> Islands and Guam seem like nice enough places to settle: not a state,
> but still part of the USA.

But they can't vote. Can they?

On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 23:19:51 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" -r76-this> wrote in message
> ...
> > To: notbob
> > On 8 Dec 2014 20:14:51 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >
> >> As for that old redneck saw, "If you don't like it, leave", believe
> >> me, I'm looking.
> >
> > Puerto Rico, American Samoa, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana
> > Islands and Guam seem like nice enough places to settle: not a state,
> > but still part of the USA.
>
> But they can't vote. Can they?

It depends on what you mean by vote.
http://www.fvap.gov/vao/vag/appendix/state-elections
Puerto Rico can elect their own governor and participate in
presidential primaries but not in the general election - being able to
elect the president is a perk of being a state.

Puerto Rico and the General Election (they've turned down statehood 3
times to date)
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/05/pue...eral-election/

Taxation in Puerto Rico
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwo...can-avoid-irs/

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 23:19:51 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" -r76-this> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > To: notbob
>> > On 8 Dec 2014 20:14:51 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >
>> >> As for that old redneck saw, "If you don't like it, leave", believe
>> >> me, I'm looking.
>> >
>> > Puerto Rico, American Samoa, US Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana
>> > Islands and Guam seem like nice enough places to settle: not a state,
>> > but still part of the USA.
>>
>> But they can't vote. Can they?
>
> It depends on what you mean by vote.
> http://www.fvap.gov/vao/vag/appendix/state-elections
> Puerto Rico can elect their own governor and participate in
> presidential primaries but not in the general election - being able to
> elect the president is a perk of being a state.
>
> Puerto Rico and the General Election (they've turned down statehood 3
> times to date)
> http://www.factcheck.org/2008/05/pue...eral-election/
>
> Taxation in Puerto Rico
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwo...can-avoid-irs/

Oh! Hmmm... I thought they could not.