Anyone else ever eat here?

http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/

I was at an event over the weekend and this was the restaurant at the
attached hotel, so my wife and I went there for breakfast yesterday.
Eggs Benedict was $!6.95, 3 eggs on one and a half English Muffins - I
couldn't eat the third piece, anyway. My wife had scrambled eggs and
sausages and didn't especially care for either. We both had home fries
which were passable. Coffee wasn't mediocre, too.

Some of the dinner entry prices are so high as to be unbelievable,
although when I looked at the menu in person, it does offer half the
portion for half the price, which at least brings it down to something
approaching normal.

Curious to know if anyone here has actually had a lunch or dinner there.
It gets 4.1 out of 5 stars on its Google reviews, which is more than I'd
give it. Based on the online menu, I wouldn't have gone there except
that it saved us having to put on coats and get into the car for
breakfast.

-S-

On 12/15/2014 8:55 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> Anyone else ever eat here?
>
> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>
> I was at an event over the weekend and this was the restaurant at the
> attached hotel, so my wife and I went there for breakfast yesterday.
> Eggs Benedict was $!6.95, 3 eggs on one and a half English Muffins - I
> couldn't eat the third piece, anyway. My wife had scrambled eggs and
> sausages and didn't especially care for either. We both had home fries
> which were passable. Coffee wasn't mediocre, too.
>
> Some of the dinner entry prices are so high as to be unbelievable,
> although when I looked at the menu in person, it does offer half the
> portion for half the price, which at least brings it down to something
> approaching normal.
>
> Curious to know if anyone here has actually had a lunch or dinner there.
> It gets 4.1 out of 5 stars on its Google reviews, which is more than I'd
> give it. Based on the online menu, I wouldn't have gone there except
> that it saved us having to put on coats and get into the car for
> breakfast.

We go there a few times a year. Not for breakfast. You go for
the huge deli sandwiches (that feed 3 or 4) and the pickle bar.
We also order an egg cream, which is also giant.

nancy, feeling a pastrami sandwich and health salad coming on

Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/15/2014 8:55 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> Anyone else ever eat here?
>>
>> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>
> We go there a few times a year. Not for breakfast. You go for
> the huge deli sandwiches (that feed 3 or 4) and the pickle bar.
> We also order an egg cream, which is also giant.

OK, good to know. Sounds sort of Carnegie Deli-ish, which isn't a bad
thing!

-S-

On 12/15/2014 10:03 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 12/15/2014 8:55 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>> Anyone else ever eat here?
>>>
>>> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>>
>> We go there a few times a year. Not for breakfast. You go for
>> the huge deli sandwiches (that feed 3 or 4) and the pickle bar.
>> We also order an egg cream, which is also giant.
>
> OK, good to know. Sounds sort of Carnegie Deli-ish, which isn't a bad
> thing!

Exactly! I knew you'd get what I was describing.

Funny, the first time I went to Carnegie? Stage? with Ron,
I said Do you want to split a sandwich? I got a look like
Are you insane? (laugh) Then the sandwiches came.

Harold used to work at Carnegie Deli, so you get the
connection.

Did you see the desserts? I've never ordered one. A slice
of cake is like a whole normal cake. All different types
of desserts, all enormous. Can't say as I've ever seen
anyone order.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/15/2014 10:03 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 12/15/2014 8:55 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> Anyone else ever eat here?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>>>
>>> We go there a few times a year. Not for breakfast. You go for
>>> the huge deli sandwiches (that feed 3 or 4) and the pickle bar.
>>> We also order an egg cream, which is also giant.
>>
>> OK, good to know. Sounds sort of Carnegie Deli-ish, which isn't a
>> bad thing!
>
> Exactly! I knew you'd get what I was describing.
>
> Funny, the first time I went to Carnegie? Stage? with Ron,
> I said Do you want to split a sandwich? I got a look like
> Are you insane? (laugh) Then the sandwiches came.
>
> Harold used to work at Carnegie Deli, so you get the
> connection.
>
> Did you see the desserts? I've never ordered one. A slice
> of cake is like a whole normal cake. All different types
> of desserts, all enormous. Can't say as I've ever seen
> anyone order.
>
> nancy

We looked at the cakes on our way out - gigantic, as tall or taller than
they were wide. Because we were having breakfast, we didn't try a
dessert.

The night before, we went to Cheesecake Factory in the Menlo Park Mall
(5 or 10 minutes by car from Harold's). I have to say that I don't
think I've ever had a bad meal at a Cheesecake Factory restaurant, and
most of what we had we more than just satisfactory, it was really good.

-S-

On 12/15/2014 10:19 AM, Steve Freides wrote:

> The night before, we went to Cheesecake Factory in the Menlo Park Mall
> (5 or 10 minutes by car from Harold's). I have to say that I don't
> think I've ever had a bad meal at a Cheesecake Factory restaurant, and
> most of what we had we more than just satisfactory, it was really good.

That's another place we visit 2 or 3 times a year, not that location.
I am helpless for the Tex Mex rolls. I could make a meal of appetizers,
no problem.

They no longer have the spicy crispy beef on the menu, but I don't
have trouble finding something else I like. I wouldn't eat there
every day, but I like the food.

This time of the year I order gift cards for us as you get a
free piece of cheesecake for every $25. Good through March.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/15/2014 10:19 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> The night before, we went to Cheesecake Factory in the Menlo Park
>> Mall (5 or 10 minutes by car from Harold's). I have to say that I
>> don't think I've ever had a bad meal at a Cheesecake Factory
>> restaurant, and most of what we had we more than just satisfactory,
>> it was really good.
>
> That's another place we visit 2 or 3 times a year, not that location.
> I am helpless for the Tex Mex rolls. I could make a meal of
> appetizers, no problem.
>
> They no longer have the spicy crispy beef on the menu, but I don't
> have trouble finding something else I like. I wouldn't eat there
> every day, but I like the food.
>
> This time of the year I order gift cards for us as you get a
> free piece of cheesecake for every $25. Good through March.
>
> nancy

I did make a meal of the appetizers. We shared their fresh guac, then I
had two appetizers instead of an entree - a salmon/spinach role, and an
ahi tuna tartar thing. Had to leave room for cheesecake ...

That was our first time at that location, but we've had at several
others and they've all been good.

-S-

On 2014-12-15 10:19 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> Did you see the desserts? I've never ordered one. A slice
>> of cake is like a whole normal cake. All different types
>> of desserts, all enormous. Can't say as I've ever seen
>> anyone order.
>>
>> nancy
>
> We looked at the cakes on our way out - gigantic, as tall or taller than
> they were wide. Because we were having breakfast, we didn't try a
> dessert.
>
> The night before, we went to Cheesecake Factory in the Menlo Park Mall
> (5 or 10 minutes by car from Harold's). I have to say that I don't
> think I've ever had a bad meal at a Cheesecake Factory restaurant, and
> most of what we had we more than just satisfactory, it was really good.
>
>


Were you able to get Dr. Pepper?

On 12/15/2014 9:19 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 12/15/2014 10:03 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 12/15/2014 8:55 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>> Anyone else ever eat here?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>>>>
>>>> We go there a few times a year. Not for breakfast. You go for
>>>> the huge deli sandwiches (that feed 3 or 4) and the pickle bar.
>>>> We also order an egg cream, which is also giant.
>>>
>>> OK, good to know. Sounds sort of Carnegie Deli-ish, which isn't a
>>> bad thing!
>>
>> Exactly! I knew you'd get what I was describing.
>>
>> Funny, the first time I went to Carnegie? Stage? with Ron,
>> I said Do you want to split a sandwich? I got a look like
>> Are you insane? (laugh) Then the sandwiches came.
>>
>> Harold used to work at Carnegie Deli, so you get the
>> connection.
>>
>> Did you see the desserts? I've never ordered one. A slice
>> of cake is like a whole normal cake. All different types
>> of desserts, all enormous. Can't say as I've ever seen
>> anyone order.
>>
>> nancy
>
> We looked at the cakes on our way out - gigantic, as tall or taller than
> they were wide. Because we were having breakfast, we didn't try a
> dessert.
>
> The night before, we went to Cheesecake Factory in the Menlo Park Mall
> (5 or 10 minutes by car from Harold's). I have to say that I don't
> think I've ever had a bad meal at a Cheesecake Factory restaurant, and
> most of what we had we more than just satisfactory, it was really good.
>
> -S-
>
>

Sigh. So many of my old "haunts" I remember Menlo Park Mall before
they put the roof on it. I moved to the Menlo Park area (Parkwood
Gardens behind Roosevelt Park) in 1996 right after I married husband #1.
Harold's and Cheesecake Factory didn't exist. We had the Menlo Coach Diner.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/15/2014 12:09 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/15/2014 9:19 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 12/15/2014 10:03 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>> On 12/15/2014 8:55 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>>> Anyone else ever eat here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> We go there a few times a year. Not for breakfast. You go for
>>>>> the huge deli sandwiches (that feed 3 or 4) and the pickle bar.
>>>>> We also order an egg cream, which is also giant.
>>>>
>>>> OK, good to know. Sounds sort of Carnegie Deli-ish, which isn't a
>>>> bad thing!
>>>
>>> Exactly! I knew you'd get what I was describing.
>>>
>>> Funny, the first time I went to Carnegie? Stage? with Ron,
>>> I said Do you want to split a sandwich? I got a look like
>>> Are you insane? (laugh) Then the sandwiches came.
>>>
>>> Harold used to work at Carnegie Deli, so you get the
>>> connection.
>>>
>>> Did you see the desserts? I've never ordered one. A slice
>>> of cake is like a whole normal cake. All different types
>>> of desserts, all enormous. Can't say as I've ever seen
>>> anyone order.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> We looked at the cakes on our way out - gigantic, as tall or taller than
>> they were wide. Because we were having breakfast, we didn't try a
>> dessert.
>>
>> The night before, we went to Cheesecake Factory in the Menlo Park Mall
>> (5 or 10 minutes by car from Harold's). I have to say that I don't
>> think I've ever had a bad meal at a Cheesecake Factory restaurant, and
>> most of what we had we more than just satisfactory, it was really good.
>>
>> -S-
>>
>>
>
> Sigh. So many of my old "haunts" I remember Menlo Park Mall before
> they put the roof on it. I moved to the Menlo Park area (Parkwood
> Gardens behind Roosevelt Park) in 1996 right after I married husband #1.
> Harold's and Cheesecake Factory didn't exist. We had the Menlo Coach
> Diner.
>

OOPs. That should have been 1966

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/15/2014 1:34 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:55:01 -0500, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> Some of the dinner entry prices are so high as to be unbelievable,
>> although when I looked at the menu in person, it does offer half the
>> portion for half the price, which at least brings it down to something
>> approaching normal.
>
> This explains the $51 sandwiches, at least.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=haro...=lnms&tbm=isch

Those huge ones are not what we get, they come in sizes. Large
and X-Large. Meant to be split between however many people, there
is all the rye bread you want on the pickle bar.

> $3 extra for lettuce and tomato on your burger, or $9 for bacon is
> kinda steep, though.

I didn't even know they had burgers, but I bet those wouldn't
serve several people, the bacon would be for the serves 5
sandwich.

nancy

On Monday, December 15, 2014 10:19:40 AM UTC-5, Steve Freides wrote:

>
> The night before, we went to Cheesecake Factory in the Menlo Park Mall
> (5 or 10 minutes by car from Harold's). I have to say that I don't
> think I've ever had a bad meal at a Cheesecake Factory restaurant, and
> most of what we had we more than just satisfactory, it was really good.
>

Their fare IS quite good, but oh my - the portion sizes are frightening. I bet their average meal and dessert prob. approaches 1500 calories.

On 2014-12-15 13:55:01 +0000, Steve Freides said:

> Anyone else ever eat here?
>
> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>
> I was at an event over the weekend and this was the restaurant at the
> attached hotel, so my wife and I went there for breakfast yesterday.
> Eggs Benedict was $!6.95, 3 eggs on one and a half English Muffins - I
> couldn't eat the third piece, anyway. My wife had scrambled eggs and
> sausages and didn't especially care for either. We both had home fries
> which were passable. Coffee wasn't mediocre, too.
>
> Some of the dinner entry prices are so high as to be unbelievable,
> although when I looked at the menu in person, it does offer half the
> portion for half the price, which at least brings it down to something
> approaching normal.
>
> Curious to know if anyone here has actually had a lunch or dinner
> there. It gets 4.1 out of 5 stars on its Google reviews, which is more
> than I'd give it. Based on the online menu, I wouldn't have gone there
> except that it saved us having to put on coats and get into the car for
> breakfast.
>
> -S-

A $31.95 sandwich. Now I've seen it all.

On 2014-12-15 18:56:54 +0000, Nancy Young said:

>> $3 extra for lettuce and tomato on your burger, or $9 for bacon is
>> kinda steep, though.
>
> I didn't even know they had burgers, but I bet those wouldn't
> serve several people, the bacon would be for the serves 5
> sandwich.

Why is there bacon in a deli? That's a big warning sign right there.

On 12/15/2014 6:52 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> On 2014-12-15 18:56:54 +0000, Nancy Young said:
>
>>> $3 extra for lettuce and tomato on your burger, or $9 for bacon is
>>> kinda steep, though.
>>
>> I didn't even know they had burgers, but I bet those wouldn't
>> serve several people, the bacon would be for the serves 5
>> sandwich.
>
> Why is there bacon in a deli? That's a big warning sign right there.

I'm going with it's not a kosher deli. Not all are. At all.

nancy

Nancy Young > wrote:
> On 12/15/2014 6:52 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>> On 2014-12-15 18:56:54 +0000, Nancy Young said:
>>
>>>> $3 extra for lettuce and tomato on your burger, or $9 for bacon is
>>>> kinda steep, though.
>>>
>>> I didn't even know they had burgers, but I bet those wouldn't
>>> serve several people, the bacon would be for the serves 5
>>> sandwich.
>>
>> Why is there bacon in a deli? That's a big warning sign right there.
>
> I'm going with it's not a kosher deli. Not all are. At all.
>
> nancy

What do you call a non-Kosher deli?

A sandwich shop.

On 12/15/2014 10:18 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> Nancy Young > wrote:
>> On 12/15/2014 6:52 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>> On 2014-12-15 18:56:54 +0000, Nancy Young said:
>>>
>>>>> $3 extra for lettuce and tomato on your burger, or $9 for bacon is
>>>>> kinda steep, though.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't even know they had burgers, but I bet those wouldn't
>>>> serve several people, the bacon would be for the serves 5
>>>> sandwich.
>>>
>>> Why is there bacon in a deli? That's a big warning sign right there.
>>
>> I'm going with it's not a kosher deli. Not all are. At all.
>>
>> nancy
>
> What do you call a non-Kosher deli?
>
> A sandwich shop.

Maybe where you live. Here it's even called the deli section
in the supermarket where you get cold cuts and salads, etc.

We have sub shops, they aren't kosher, either.

nancy

On Monday, December 15, 2014 8:05:30 PM UTC-8, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 03:18:55 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
> > Nancy Young > wrote:
> >> On 12/15/2014 6:52 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> >>> On 2014-12-15 18:56:54 +0000, Nancy Young said:
> >>>
> >>>>> $3 extra for lettuce and tomato on your burger, or $9 for bacon is
> >>>>> kinda steep, though.
> >>>>
> >>>> I didn't even know they had burgers, but I bet those wouldn't
> >>>> serve several people, the bacon would be for the serves 5
> >>>> sandwich.
> >>>
> >>> Why is there bacon in a deli? That's a big warning sign right there.
> >>
> >> I'm going with it's not a kosher deli. Not all are. At all.
> >>
> >> nancy
> >
> > What do you call a non-Kosher deli?
> >
> > A sandwich shop.
>
> Sheesh. This guy just keeps getting more and more ridiculous.
>

The delis of my youth were too busy to make sandwiches for people. They sold
meats, cheeses, and salads, but usually also bread products. You were expected
to go home and make your own damn sandwich.

Kalmia wrote:
> On Monday, December 15, 2014 10:19:40 AM UTC-5, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>>
>> The night before, we went to Cheesecake Factory in the Menlo Park
>> Mall (5 or 10 minutes by car from Harold's). I have to say that I
>> don't think I've ever had a bad meal at a Cheesecake Factory
>> restaurant, and most of what we had we more than just satisfactory,
>> it was really good.
>>
>
> Their fare IS quite good, but oh my - the portion sizes are
> frightening. I bet their average meal and dessert prob. approaches
> 1500 calories.

My solution to that problem is that I eat only very little during the
day and have a big meal at dinner. Typical for me is nothing or a
couple of spoonfuls of my homemade nut butter in the AM, a 250-calorie
Dale's Raw Food bar as "lunch", and then I can eat a bigger dinner than
I'd otherwise be able to eat. I've been doing this for a long time and
it agrees with me.

However, I must say that the dessert is the big calorie and health
issue, not the meal. The other thing I do with my eating is have more
on the weekends and less during the week, so while I had a slice of the
restaurant's cheesecake on Saturday night, last night my dessert was a
few round chocolates from IKEA - package says 11 pieces add up to 210
calories and I had 4, which equals 76 calories if I did the math right.
If one has a sweet tooth, cutting out, or cutting way back on dessert is
the single easiest way to maintain or lose weight.

I'd bet their average meal + dessert is well above 1500 calories. OK,
just found this - see for yourself:

http://www.cheesecakefactorynutritio...ion-chart.php?

I'd say an average slice of cheesecake, if you leave out the obviously
diet ones, is about 1000 calories - I had Banana Cream, and it says
that's 930 calories. If you look under Specialties, several are over
2000 calories, e.g, the Fish and Chips. The Pulled Pork sandwich is
1440 calories. Bistro Shrimp Pasta is 2290 calories.

I'd say that 2500 calories would be a lot more typical entree + dessert
than 1500 would be. That's not to say there aren't more
calorie-conscious choices on the menu, of course. For me, I'd rather
just have what I want in a restaurant when I'm there and eat moderately
at home - kind of goes with the idea that eating out is special in both
good and bad ways and that I want to keep eating well, and moderately at
home.

-S-

Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> Nancy Young > wrote:
>> On 12/15/2014 6:52 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>> On 2014-12-15 18:56:54 +0000, Nancy Young said:
>>>
>>>>> $3 extra for lettuce and tomato on your burger, or $9 for bacon is
>>>>> kinda steep, though.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't even know they had burgers, but I bet those wouldn't
>>>> serve several people, the bacon would be for the serves 5
>>>> sandwich.
>>>
>>> Why is there bacon in a deli? That's a big warning sign right
>>> there.
>>
>> I'm going with it's not a kosher deli. Not all are. At all.
>>
>> nancy
>
> What do you call a non-Kosher deli?
>
> A sandwich shop.

Nah, it's just Jewish-influenced, or NY-influenced, or however else
you'd like to describe it. Any place that sells a LEO (lox, eggs, and
onions, others might be known as a lox and onion omlette) is a Jewish
Deli, IMHO. I would have tried it here except that it specified Nova,
which isn't as salty and doesn't have as much flavor, so I decided to
pass.

Arties, on Broadway around 82nd, if memory serves, in NYC's Upper West
Side, make a fine LEO. An acquaintance of mine told me that people who
live in the neighborhood call it Overpriced Artie's, and that's true,
but it seems like a downright bargain compared to Harold's.

-S-

Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> On 2014-12-15 13:55:01 +0000, Steve Freides said:
>
>> Anyone else ever eat here?
>>
>> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>>
>> I was at an event over the weekend and this was the restaurant at the
>> attached hotel, so my wife and I went there for breakfast yesterday.
>> Eggs Benedict was $!6.95, 3 eggs on one and a half English Muffins -
>> I couldn't eat the third piece, anyway. My wife had scrambled eggs
>> and sausages and didn't especially care for either. We both had
>> home fries which were passable. Coffee wasn't mediocre, too.
>>
>> Some of the dinner entry prices are so high as to be unbelievable,
>> although when I looked at the menu in person, it does offer half the
>> portion for half the price, which at least brings it down to
>> something approaching normal.
>>
>> Curious to know if anyone here has actually had a lunch or dinner
>> there. It gets 4.1 out of 5 stars on its Google reviews, which is
>> more than I'd give it. Based on the online menu, I wouldn't have
>> gone there except that it saved us having to put on coats and get
>> into the car for breakfast.
>>
>> -S-
>
> A $31.95 sandwich. Now I've seen it all.

If it feeds 3 people, it becomes an $11 sandwich, and I've certainly
seen worse than that.

There was (is?) an Italian place on B-way in the low 90's that served
only family style - similarly high prices per dish but everything was
sized for several people. Found it - see
http://carmines2go.com/menu/91st

-S-

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:55:01 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

> Anyone else ever eat here?
>
> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/

I guess their decor is what you might call typical because I've eaten
at a Jewish deli in LA that looked almost identical. Katz's decor
isn't like that but it's the only real NYC deli I've eaten in so I
have no other point of reference.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On 12/16/2014 8:56 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

>> A $31.95 sandwich. Now I've seen it all.
>
> If it feeds 3 people, it becomes an $11 sandwich, and I've certainly
> seen worse than that.

When you're done and they bring the check, they also bring
aluminum foil and a bag, assuming you still have half of your
sandwich fixings on the serving plate untouched.

We don't go there to have a teeny bite and leave, we each have
a good size sandwich and there's plenty for two more sandwiches
the next day. No need for anyone to hyperventilate over the price
unless they eat that whole thing themselves. Those people should
go to the nearest hospital for their upcoming heart attack. Heh.

> There was (is?) an Italian place on B-way in the low 90's that served
> only family style - similarly high prices per dish but everything was
> sized for several people. Found it - see
> http://carmines2go.com/menu/91st

I wasn't able to see the website but it did remind me of working
in Manhattan and ordering in sandwiches from the little hole in the
wall delis. It could be just a tuna sandwich and it would be the
best tuna sandwich you ever had.

nancy

On 12/15/14, 2:42 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>> Sigh. So many of my old "haunts" I remember Menlo Park Mall before
>> they put the roof on it. I moved to the Menlo Park area (Parkwood
>> Gardens behind Roosevelt Park) in 1996 right after I married husband #1.
>> Harold's and Cheesecake Factory didn't exist. We had the Menlo Coach
>> Diner.
>>
>
> OOPs. That should have been 1966

Thought so. I remember when Menlo Park Mall first opened -- what a mob
scene!

Caught my first fish in the lake at Menlo Park in 1951 -- had no idea
what to do with it. Had that little sunny at the tip of the rod,
swinging it like a baseball bat at a tree trunk... 8

-- Larry (from Edison)

Nancy Young wrote:

>> There was (is?) an Italian place on B-way in the low 90's that served
>> only family style - similarly high prices per dish but everything was
>> sized for several people. Found it - see
>> http://carmines2go.com/menu/91st
>
> I wasn't able to see the website but it did remind me of working
> in Manhattan and ordering in sandwiches from the little hole in the
> wall delis. It could be just a tuna sandwich and it would be the
> best tuna sandwich you ever had.

One of the questions I never understand is why people coming to
Manhattan ask, "Where's a really good place to go to eat?" There's at
least one on every block, IMHO.

-S-

On 12/16/2014 8:27 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:55:01 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone else ever eat here?
>>
>> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>
> I guess their decor is what you might call typical because I've eaten
> at a Jewish deli in LA that looked almost identical. Katz's decor
> isn't like that but it's the only real NYC deli I've eaten in so I
> have no other point of reference.
>

Katz's has terrible rye bread. I ws so disappointed.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/16/2014 8:46 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> Kalmia wrote:

>> Their fare IS quite good, but oh my - the portion sizes are
>> frightening. I bet their average meal and dessert prob. approaches
>> 1500 calories.
>
> My solution to that problem is that I eat only very little during the
> day and have a big meal at dinner. Typical for me is nothing or a
> couple of spoonfuls of my homemade nut butter in the AM, a 250-calorie
> Dale's Raw Food bar as "lunch", and then I can eat a bigger dinner than
> I'd otherwise be able to eat. I've been doing this for a long time and
> it agrees with me.

If I eat out, it's generally my meal for the day. I don't really
worry about it too much.

But I get my cheesecake to go if I get one, and we split it.
I hardly ever order dessert out, otherwise.

> I'd say an average slice of cheesecake, if you leave out the obviously
> diet ones, is about 1000 calories - I had Banana Cream, and it says
> that's 930 calories. If you look under Specialties, several are over
> 2000 calories, e.g, the Fish and Chips.

I get the lunch size fish and chips. You will wonder how much
they can possibly give you for the dinner portion! Still, it's
under 1500 calories. No, I'm not trying to say it's diet food.
I don't clean my plate, either, who could eat all those chips.

nancy

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:29:48 AM UTC-8, Steve Freides wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >> There was (is?) an Italian place on B-way in the low 90's that served
> >> only family style - similarly high prices per dish but everything was
> >> sized for several people. Found it - see
> >> http://carmines2go.com/menu/91st
> >
> > I wasn't able to see the website but it did remind me of working
> > in Manhattan and ordering in sandwiches from the little hole in the
> > wall delis. It could be just a tuna sandwich and it would be the
> > best tuna sandwich you ever had.
>
> One of the questions I never understand is why people coming to
> Manhattan ask, "Where's a really good place to go to eat?" There's at
> least one on every block, IMHO.

Because there are a lot of restaurants on every block, and identifying
which one is the really good one is difficult.

You can spend just as much money on mediocre food as on a memorable meal.

On 2014-12-16 11:29 AM, Steve Freides wrote:

> One of the questions I never understand is why people coming to
> Manhattan ask, "Where's a really good place to go to eat?" There's at
> least one on every block, IMHO.


That is pretty easy to understand if they are from out of town. They
don't know which are the good ones.

On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:16:32 -0600, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

> On 12/16/2014 8:27 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:55:01 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone else ever eat here?
> >>
> >> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
> >
> > I guess their decor is what you might call typical because I've eaten
> > at a Jewish deli in LA that looked almost identical. Katz's decor
> > isn't like that but it's the only real NYC deli I've eaten in so I
> > have no other point of reference.
> >
>
> Katz's has terrible rye bread. I ws so disappointed.

I'm a pushover for any kind of rye and I eat it all with no
complaints. I've only been to Katz's once. It was a long time ago,
but I'm pretty sure my sandwich wasn't on rye bread because hubby
hates rye and we shared the sandwich.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:16:32 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/16/2014 8:27 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:55:01 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anyone else ever eat here?
>> >>
>> >> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>> >
>> > I guess their decor is what you might call typical because I've eaten
>> > at a Jewish deli in LA that looked almost identical. Katz's decor
>> > isn't like that but it's the only real NYC deli I've eaten in so I
>> > have no other point of reference.
>> >
>>
>> Katz's has terrible rye bread. I ws so disappointed.
>
> I'm a pushover for any kind of rye and I eat it all with no
> complaints. I've only been to Katz's once. It was a long time ago,
> but I'm pretty sure my sandwich wasn't on rye bread because hubby
> hates rye and we shared the sandwich.
>
> --
> A kitchen without a cook is just a room

I can only assume that you didn't know he hated it before you married him?

On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:28:38 -0600, "Kody"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:16:32 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/16/2014 8:27 AM, sf wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:55:01 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Anyone else ever eat here?
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
> >> >
> >> > I guess their decor is what you might call typical because I've eaten
> >> > at a Jewish deli in LA that looked almost identical. Katz's decor
> >> > isn't like that but it's the only real NYC deli I've eaten in so I
> >> > have no other point of reference.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Katz's has terrible rye bread. I ws so disappointed.
> >
> > I'm a pushover for any kind of rye and I eat it all with no
> > complaints. I've only been to Katz's once. It was a long time ago,
> > but I'm pretty sure my sandwich wasn't on rye bread because hubby
> > hates rye and we shared the sandwich.
> >
>
> I can only assume that you didn't know he hated it before you married him?
>
>
Hm... I probably did know but we've been married so long I really
don't remember - it could have been one of those things I overlooked.
You have to pick your battles with husbands and children. Not a
problem to resolve and it means more for me.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:29:48 AM UTC-8, Steve Freides wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> There was (is?) an Italian place on B-way in the low 90's that
>>>> served only family style - similarly high prices per dish but
>>>> everything was sized for several people. Found it - see
>>>> http://carmines2go.com/menu/91st
>>>
>>> I wasn't able to see the website but it did remind me of working
>>> in Manhattan and ordering in sandwiches from the little hole in the
>>> wall delis. It could be just a tuna sandwich and it would be the
>>> best tuna sandwich you ever had.
>>
>> One of the questions I never understand is why people coming to
>> Manhattan ask, "Where's a really good place to go to eat?" There's
>> at least one on every block, IMHO.
>
> Because there are a lot of restaurants on every block, and identifying
> which one is the really good one is difficult.
>
> You can spend just as much money on mediocre food as on a memorable
> meal.

I think you missed my point, unless you're trying to disagree with.
There is a _really good_ restaurant on every block in Manhattan. Bad
restaurants don't last in NYC, mediocre food the same. Even the pizza
from the pizza joints is good.

-S-

On 12/16/2014 7:46 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:29:48 AM UTC-8, Steve Freides wrote:
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the questions I never understand is why people coming to
>>> Manhattan ask, "Where's a really good place to go to eat?" There's
>>> at least one on every block, IMHO.
>>
>> Because there are a lot of restaurants on every block, and identifying
>> which one is the really good one is difficult.
>>
>> You can spend just as much money on mediocre food as on a memorable
>> meal.
>
> I think you missed my point, unless you're trying to disagree with.
> There is a _really good_ restaurant on every block in Manhattan. Bad
> restaurants don't last in NYC, mediocre food the same. Even the pizza
> from the pizza joints is good.
>
> -S-
>
>
I think *you* missed the point. I've never been to Manhattan. There
may be a fantastic restaurant on every block but how would I know which
ones were good without asking? I wouldn't.

Jill

On 12/16/2014 1:23 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:16:32 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/16/2014 8:27 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:55:01 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone else ever eat here?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/
>>>
>>> I guess their decor is what you might call typical because I've eaten
>>> at a Jewish deli in LA that looked almost identical. Katz's decor
>>> isn't like that but it's the only real NYC deli I've eaten in so I
>>> have no other point of reference.
>>>
>>
>> Katz's has terrible rye bread. I ws so disappointed.
>
> I'm a pushover for any kind of rye and I eat it all with no
> complaints. I've only been to Katz's once. It was a long time ago,
> but I'm pretty sure my sandwich wasn't on rye bread because hubby
> hates rye and we shared the sandwich.
>
Te rye bread I had these was soft with no chewy crust. I asked the
waiter about the low quality and he said that after Pechters went out of
business there was no bakery that could supply them with enough bread so
they went to a kind of brownish Wonderbread-textured factory made bread.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 2014-12-16 19:46, Steve Freides wrote:

>> Because there are a lot of restaurants on every block, and identifying
>> which one is the really good one is difficult.
>>
>> You can spend just as much money on mediocre food as on a memorable
>> meal.
>
> I think you missed my point, unless you're trying to disagree with.
> There is a _really good_ restaurant on every block in Manhattan. Bad
> restaurants don't last in NYC, mediocre food the same. Even the pizza
> from the pizza joints is good.
>
>

I don't think he missed the point at all. Someone who is new to
Manhattan can hardly be expected to know which restaurants have been
there for a long time and which are new.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/16/2014 7:46 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:29:48 AM UTC-8, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One of the questions I never understand is why people coming to
>>>> Manhattan ask, "Where's a really good place to go to eat?" There's
>>>> at least one on every block, IMHO.
>>>
>>> Because there are a lot of restaurants on every block, and
>>> identifying which one is the really good one is difficult.
>>>
>>> You can spend just as much money on mediocre food as on a memorable
>>> meal.
>>
>> I think you missed my point, unless you're trying to disagree with.
>> There is a _really good_ restaurant on every block in Manhattan. Bad
>> restaurants don't last in NYC, mediocre food the same. Even the
>> pizza from the pizza joints is good.
>>
>> -S-
>>
>>
> I think *you* missed the point. I've never been to Manhattan. There
> may be a fantastic restaurant on every block but how would I know
> which ones were good without asking? I wouldn't.
>
> Jill

Perhaps I did, but they are all good - you don't need to ask, just walk
down the street and find something that looks interesting. It's part of
the fun of eating out in NYC or, for that matter, large parts of Queens
and Brooklyn, too.

-S-

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:16:03 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

> Perhaps I did, but they are all good - you don't need to ask, just walk
> down the street and find something that looks interesting. It's part of
> the fun of eating out in NYC or, for that matter, large parts of Queens
> and Brooklyn, too.

That's how we choose where to eat no matter where we are. We look at
the menus first and then the interior of the restaurant.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

sf wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:16:03 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps I did, but they are all good - you don't need to ask, just
>> walk down the street and find something that looks interesting.
>> It's part of the fun of eating out in NYC or, for that matter, large
>> parts of Queens and Brooklyn, too.
>
> That's how we choose where to eat no matter where we are. We look at
> the menus first and then the interior of the restaurant.

Yes, and it harkens back to the days before we had Yelp and other online
reviews.

-S-

On 12/17/2014 6:36 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:16:03 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps I did, but they are all good - you don't need to ask, just
>>> walk down the street and find something that looks interesting.
>>> It's part of the fun of eating out in NYC or, for that matter, large
>>> parts of Queens and Brooklyn, too.
>>
>> That's how we choose where to eat no matter where we are. We look at
>> the menus first and then the interior of the restaurant.
>
> Yes, and it harkens back to the days before we had Yelp and other online
> reviews.
>
> -S-
>
>
I'd rather just ask someone. As spamtrap said, "You can spend just as
much money on mediocre food as on a memorable meal." Why pick a place
that turns out to be just so-so?

Jill