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On 2014-12-23 8:57 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> The medical group I was seen at recently has signs on the front doors to > the building: No Cell Phones along with the ubiquitous image of a phone > in a red circle with a big red / through it. There are signs at the > desk where you sign-in and also in the waiting area. It probably has > more to do with courtesy, as you say, than anything else. The signs > didn't stop anyone from using them. I imagine that it stops some people from using them. However, there are lots of cell phone users that are give the rest of them a reputation for not having any manners. |
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"sf" > wrote in message ... > It will probably be another Dr. but it's the anesthesiologist who > administers the meds, not the Dr. I just don't want to do it again, > so I've been holding out. I understand. Cheri |
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On 2014-12-23 10:21 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:26:16 -0500, Dave Smith > > wrote: > >> On 2014-12-22 19:53, sf wrote: >> >>> It's probably been quite a while since either one of them have >>> experienced whatever it is they're complaining about. Dave can't >>> decide what he's mad about but by golly he didn't like it. >>> >> >> >> You were the one who said that you never hear about anyone complaining >> about their booze being watered down. Get over yourself. > > Never in real life. It only happens in the pretend world of rfc. > And you have never heard in your world heard anyone order a drink and hold the ice or easy on the ice??? Oh never mind. You are just being obtuse. |
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On 2014-12-23 11:57 AM, sf wrote:
>> I totally recommend cataract surgery. > > I was talking about when my other eye was done. They knocked me out > and I woke up too soon. My mother said it was a breeze too, but I > remain unconvinced based on my last experience. I think I'm > impervious to those meds. > > I've been hospitalized a couple of times and can't sleep in there. > They claimed they gave me a sleeping pill, but if they did - I > couldn't tell. My wife had cataract surgery a couple months ago. She had a little bit of sedation but was quite aware of everything going on. She said there as a little bit of discomfort when the second one was done a few weeks later. The only pain she had was after she scratched her iris while administering eye drops to herself. She sure is glad to have have it done. She had been wearing glasses or contacts since she was a about 8. Now she can read, watch television, drive etc without glasses. |
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> wrote in message ... > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:24:20 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> > wrote in message . .. >>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:19:27 -0800, sf > wrote: >>> >>>>On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:36:13 -0400, wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:56:36 -0800, sf > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:31:36 -0500, jmcquown > >>>>> >wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> On 12/22/2014 4:20 PM, sf wrote: >>>>> >> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:38:14 GMT, "l not -l" > >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>> Oh, come on. How can you say that with all the gramophones in >>>>> >> >>> rfc? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >> gramophones??? germaphobes, maybe; but I don't recall a single >>>>> >> >> gramophone >>>>> >> >> here. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Hit the wrong spell check and when I went back to look at the >>>>> >> > choices >>>>> >> > thought I'd picked a different one. This isn't bad as wrong word >>>>> >> > choices go. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Just another reason not to rely on spell check.  >>>>> >> >>>>> >It's not spell check's fault, Jill. The fault is all mine. This >>>>> >kind >>>>> >of thing is what tells me it's time for eye surgery, something I >>>>> >don't >>>>> >want to do because they let me wake up too early and it hurt. I say >>>>> >BS about how you're supposed to forget the pain. I still remember. >>>>> >>>>> Are you talking about cataract surgery ? >>>> >>>>Yes. >>> >>> I pressured my doc into sending me to have it done - I could no longer >>> accurately focus my cameras - it is wonderful - I can now read >>> anything except the very finest print. >>> >>> You are not anesthetized for cataracts - they pour drops in your eyes >>> that totally freeze them. I could see him doing it in the lights over >>> the table, it was intriguing. Came home an hour later and while it >>> took awhile to unfreeze and the eye to lose its dilation, nothing >>> hurt. Good to go hours later. Couldn't wait for the second to be >>> done, they don't do both at the same time here. >>> >>> I totally recommend cataract surgery. >> >>Amen! Both of mine have been done! Nothing hurt with mine either. > > You'd have to be a wuzz to say it hurt ! lol well I just don't know because it never happened to me or to anyone I know! I was lightly sedated because I was no nervous but they still froze my eyes. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 2014-12-23 12:07 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>>> Are you talking about cataract surgery ? >> >> Yes. > > Please tell them that you do not want to wake up early and be in pain. I > have never had cataract surgery, but it seems like they would have given > you something for pain. I hope you have a better experience, this time. My wife said it was a breeze when she went through it a couple months ago. I has sort of eye surgery a couple months ago to deal with a chalazion, a blockage of a gland on the eyelid. They stuck with with some freezing and put a piece of equipment in my eye to hold it open. I didn't feel pain but I certainly felt that he was poking and prodding and I could he the scritching sound as he scrapped the stuff out. I took something OTC for pain as the freezing wore off. It was disconcerting to have to wear and bandage over that eye and to be able to see the white light through the dressing and spots of blood. |
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On 12/23/2014 9:16 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> several times I've walked by a vehicle in supermarket parking lots and > someone's on their cell phone engaged in phone sex. How the hell would you know this? Did you loiter outside their car and listen in? (Take notes?) It's too ridiculous! Jill |
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On 12/23/2014 12:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > I only had that happen once at Safeway not too long ago, some woman > screaming into the phone with all kinds of nasty language, going over to > kick someones ass etc., I told her to take it somewhere else because no > one wants to hear it, and she did without cussing me out too. LOL > > Cheri > > Sounds like it turned out well for both of you. Not cell phone related, but I had an encounter in a parking lot earlier this year. I had come out from the store and put my purchases in my car. There were some people parked right next to my car in a min-van with the doors open. They were talking to the folks in the car parked on the other side of them. There was a toddler wandering around while the adults stood around and chit-chatted over the roof of the van and around it. I'd finished my shopping, I was ready to leave. I put my items in my car, got into my car. They saw me but didn't budge. I got out, said, "Excuse me, would you mind closing your doors so I can back out?" One woman got all belligerant. You want us to do WHAT?! Give me a friggin break. I wasn't infringing on anyone's Civil Rights by asking them to close the door(s) to their van in a private parking lot to allow someone to exit their parking space. For a minute I thought it was going to turn confrontational. I don't understand that. I don't run into that sort of *attitude* here very often so it took me by surprise. It was a rare demonstration of hostility for absolutely no reason. Jill |
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On 22/12/2014 7:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/22/2014 6:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote: > >> >> I don't think so. Some medical rooms have signs not to use them as the >> cell phones interfere with medical equipment but I have not seen such >> signs in waiting rooms. > > I have seen them in a few doctor's waiting rooms. N E Retina not only > has one in the main waiting room, it also has signs in the exam rooms. > They don't care if you are using them to text or read, but it prevents > the loudmouths from disturbing everyone within 200 feet. Looooooong before cell phones, I heard a receptionist, an Irish girl, informing her friend that she was going to have an abortion, and No!, she had not told her parents:-) The whole waiting room must have heard. Graham |
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> wrote in message ... > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:28:46 -0500, jmcquown > > wrote: > >>On 12/23/2014 12:13 PM, wrote: >>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:00:06 -0800, sf > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> It will probably be another Dr. but it's the anesthesiologist who >>>> administers the meds, not the Dr. I just don't want to do it again, >>>> so I've been holding out. >>> >>> There should be NO anesthesiologist ! sheesh the nurse puts the drops >>> in the eye to dilate it and at the same time it completely deadens it. >>> Feels weird if you touch it but that's all. I could feel him working >>> on my eye, I could see what he did in the lamp glass (cos I asked the >>> resident to tilt it a bit so I could see) and the only thing I could >>> feel was slight pressure, that's all. >>> >>Isn't cataract surgery pretty much lasic these days? They don't knock >>you out for that. And yes, if you want to they'll let you watch. (I was >>in the room with my brother when he had very early lasic for vision >>correction - not cataracts - years ago. He was wide awake but couldn't >>feel anything. I did have to excuse myself from the room when they >>peeled back the cornea. Some things I just don't want to see.) >> >>I've not [yet] needed cataract surgery but my neighbor had hers done >>earlier this year. She was awake the entire time and never mentioned >>any pain. She was irritated because they told her to rest her eyes for >>a bit when she got home; she wanted to work in the yard. >> >>Jill > > No lasik is for short/long sight. To do cataracts, they put a needle > in the eye, suck out all the cataract cloud and the lens from your > eye, then they take another needle which has basically a contact lens > type lens all rolled up and stick that in and allow the lens to > unfold. If I look with a magnifying glass I can see the lens lying > under the surface, just like my contacts used to lie on the surface. > > Plastic is an inert substance and does not trigger rejection. > > I know this, because I watched it being done lol It was fascinating. I knew that too which is why I was so nervous. Always have been about my eyes. I was lucky enough that I still had private health insurance when I was working and had them done privately and knowing me he gave me a mild sedative. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 2014-12-23 1:35 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/23/2014 9:16 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >> several times I've walked by a vehicle in supermarket parking lots and >> someone's on their cell phone engaged in phone sex. > > How the hell would you know this? Did you loiter outside their car and > listen in? (Take notes?) It's too ridiculous! > > Sounds like a Shelton Bove story. |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 12/23/2014 12:30 PM, Cheri wrote: >> >> I only had that happen once at Safeway not too long ago, some woman >> screaming into the phone with all kinds of nasty language, going over to >> kick someones ass etc., I told her to take it somewhere else because no >> one wants to hear it, and she did without cussing me out too. LOL >> >> Cheri >> >> > Sounds like it turned out well for both of you. > > Not cell phone related, but I had an encounter in a parking lot earlier > this year. I had come out from the store and put my purchases in my car. > There were some people parked right next to my car in a min-van with the > doors open. They were talking to the folks in the car parked on the other > side of them. There was a toddler wandering around while the adults stood > around and chit-chatted over the roof of the van and around it. > > I'd finished my shopping, I was ready to leave. I put my items in my car, > got into my car. They saw me but didn't budge. I got out, said, "Excuse > me, would you mind closing your doors so I can back out?" One woman got > all belligerant. You want us to do WHAT?! > > Give me a friggin break. I wasn't infringing on anyone's Civil Rights by > asking them to close the door(s) to their van in a private parking lot to > allow someone to exit their parking space. For a minute I thought it was > going to turn confrontational. I don't understand that. > > I don't run into that sort of *attitude* here very often so it took me by > surprise. It was a rare demonstration of hostility for absolutely no > reason. > > Jill I don't understand it either. It seems more prevalent these days, or maybe I just notice it more. Cheri |
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> wrote in message ... > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:44:31 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> > wrote in message . .. >>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:28:46 -0500, jmcquown > >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On 12/23/2014 12:13 PM, wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:00:06 -0800, sf > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It will probably be another Dr. but it's the anesthesiologist who >>>>>> administers the meds, not the Dr. I just don't want to do it again, >>>>>> so I've been holding out. >>>>> >>>>> There should be NO anesthesiologist ! sheesh the nurse puts the drops >>>>> in the eye to dilate it and at the same time it completely deadens it. >>>>> Feels weird if you touch it but that's all. I could feel him working >>>>> on my eye, I could see what he did in the lamp glass (cos I asked the >>>>> resident to tilt it a bit so I could see) and the only thing I could >>>>> feel was slight pressure, that's all. >>>>> >>>>Isn't cataract surgery pretty much lasic these days? They don't knock >>>>you out for that. And yes, if you want to they'll let you watch. (I was >>>>in the room with my brother when he had very early lasic for vision >>>>correction - not cataracts - years ago. He was wide awake but couldn't >>>>feel anything. I did have to excuse myself from the room when they >>>>peeled back the cornea. Some things I just don't want to see.) >>>> >>>>I've not [yet] needed cataract surgery but my neighbor had hers done >>>>earlier this year. She was awake the entire time and never mentioned >>>>any pain. She was irritated because they told her to rest her eyes for >>>>a bit when she got home; she wanted to work in the yard. >>>> >>>>Jill >>> >>> No lasik is for short/long sight. To do cataracts, they put a needle >>> in the eye, suck out all the cataract cloud and the lens from your >>> eye, then they take another needle which has basically a contact lens >>> type lens all rolled up and stick that in and allow the lens to >>> unfold. If I look with a magnifying glass I can see the lens lying >>> under the surface, just like my contacts used to lie on the surface. >>> >>> Plastic is an inert substance and does not trigger rejection. >>> >>> I know this, because I watched it being done lol It was fascinating. >> >>I knew that too which is why I was so nervous. Always have been about my >>eyes. I was lucky enough that I still had private health insurance when I >>was working and had them done privately and knowing me he gave me a mild >>sedative. > > It truly didn't hurt a bit, it was aggravating to come home with a > fully dilated eye (my SIL picked me up, I didn't try driving) but not > hurting. I covered that eye and watched some television because that > seemed the easiest thing to do. Once the eye was no longer dilated, > back to normal, although I had to keep putting in drops for 2/3 weeks. I wasn't worried about it hurting, I just get spooked about my eyes  As for the rest, pretty much the same as you did -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:47:09 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote: > On 2014-12-23 10:21 AM, sf wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:26:16 -0500, Dave Smith > > > wrote: > > > >> On 2014-12-22 19:53, sf wrote: > >> > >>> It's probably been quite a while since either one of them have > >>> experienced whatever it is they're complaining about. Dave can't > >>> decide what he's mad about but by golly he didn't like it. > >>> > >> > >> > >> You were the one who said that you never hear about anyone complaining > >> about their booze being watered down. Get over yourself. > > > > Never in real life. It only happens in the pretend world of rfc. > > > > And you have never heard in your world heard anyone order a drink and > hold the ice or easy on the ice??? > Oh never mind. You are just being obtuse. I have never heard anyone go on and on like you do about how a few drops of melted ice ruin your alcohol. -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:09:03 -0400, wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:57:12 -0800, sf > wrote: > > >On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:13:11 -0400, wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:19:27 -0800, sf > wrote: > >> > >> >On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:36:13 -0400, wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:56:36 -0800, sf > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:31:36 -0500, jmcquown > > >> >> >wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On 12/22/2014 4:20 PM, sf wrote: > >> >> >> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:38:14 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>> Oh, come on. How can you say that with all the gramophones in rfc? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> gramophones??? germaphobes, maybe; but I don't recall a single gramophone > >> >> >> >> here. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Hit the wrong spell check and when I went back to look at the choices > >> >> >> > thought I'd picked a different one. This isn't bad as wrong word > >> >> >> > choices go. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Just another reason not to rely on spell check. > >> >> >> > >> >> >It's not spell check's fault, Jill. The fault is all mine. This kind > >> >> >of thing is what tells me it's time for eye surgery, something I don't > >> >> >want to do because they let me wake up too early and it hurt. I say > >> >> >BS about how you're supposed to forget the pain. I still remember. > >> >> > >> >> Are you talking about cataract surgery ? > >> > > >> >Yes. > >> > >> I pressured my doc into sending me to have it done - I could no longer > >> accurately focus my cameras - it is wonderful - I can now read > >> anything except the very finest print. > >> > >> You are not anesthetized for cataracts - they pour drops in your eyes > >> that totally freeze them. I could see him doing it in the lights over > >> the table, it was intriguing. Came home an hour later and while it > >> took awhile to unfreeze and the eye to lose its dilation, nothing > >> hurt. Good to go hours later. Couldn't wait for the second to be > >> done, they don't do both at the same time here. > >> > >> I totally recommend cataract surgery. > > > >I was talking about when my other eye was done. They knocked me out > >and I woke up too soon. My mother said it was a breeze too, but I > >remain unconvinced based on my last experience. I think I'm > >impervious to those meds. > > > >I've been hospitalized a couple of times and can't sleep in there. > >They claimed they gave me a sleeping pill, but if they did - I > >couldn't tell. > > I went to the hospital for 6:30 am and was home by 1pm !! Both > times. You best find another doctor, that all sounds completely > antiquated ! It was in and out surgery and I wasn't there even that long. Not understanding your point. -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:55:49 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote: > My wife had cataract surgery a couple months ago. She had a little bit > of sedation but was quite aware of everything going on. I wasn't aware of anything until I came to and then it hurt like hell. -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:07:09 -0600, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote: > Please tell them that you do not want to wake up early and be in pain. I > have never had cataract surgery, but it seems like they would have given > you something for pain. I hope you have a better experience, this time. I am certainly going to tell them what happened last time and hope they don't do it again. If it does happen, thank god I don't have any more eyes. -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room. |
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Nancy Young wrote:
>Ophelia wrote: >>lucretiaborgia wrote: >>>Dave Smith wrote: > >>>> Well, I am quite serious that people care about their drinks being water >>>> down with too much ice. If I order a shot of liquor I don't want a >>>> single shot of good booze with a glass full of ice that soon turns to >>>> water. >>> >>> You need to learn to drink faster > >I know what he means ... you get a shot in so much ice >you can barely get a sip after it has to travel through >all those cubes. Best to order the ice on the side, I've >done that for just that reason. In Belize they serve ice on the side. If you order a rum n' Coke, the bartender pours your rum into a shot glass and then tips it into your tumbler so you get full measure... ice is in a small bowl with a spoon and Coke is in a one of those small bottles, seven ounces I think... you spoon in your own ice and pour your own Coke. They open the Coke but it's not chilled, they bring wedges of lime if you ask, no lemon, no one in Belize uses lemon, they use lime. |
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"sf" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:19:12 -0700, Janet B > > wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:19:27 -0800, sf > wrote: >> >> >On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:36:13 -0400, wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:56:36 -0800, sf > wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:31:36 -0500, jmcquown > >> >> >wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On 12/22/2014 4:20 PM, sf wrote: >> >> >> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:38:14 GMT, "l not -l" > >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> Oh, come on. How can you say that with all the gramophones in >> >> >> >>> rfc? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> gramophones??? germaphobes, maybe; but I don't recall a single >> >> >> >> gramophone >> >> >> >> here. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Hit the wrong spell check and when I went back to look at the >> >> >> > choices >> >> >> > thought I'd picked a different one. This isn't bad as wrong word >> >> >> > choices go. >> >> >> > >> >> >> Just another reason not to rely on spell check. >> >> >> >> >> >It's not spell check's fault, Jill. The fault is all mine. This >> >> >kind >> >> >of thing is what tells me it's time for eye surgery, something I >> >> >don't >> >> >want to do because they let me wake up too early and it hurt. I say >> >> >BS about how you're supposed to forget the pain. I still remember. >> >> >> >> Are you talking about cataract surgery ? >> > >> >Yes. >> Try again or try another doctor. Neither my husband or I had any >> pain, surgery was completed while semi-conscious and we were awake >> almost immediately. Our vision was improved immediately. There was >> only light sensitivity for about 6 hours. Of course, our doctor is a >> specialist in this field and has a large medical staff and surgical >> facilities. He's been doing eye surgery for decades. >> Janet US > > It will probably be another Dr. but it's the anesthesiologist who > administers the meds, not the Dr. I just don't want to do it again, > so I've been holding out. Try Carnosine eye drops. |
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"sf" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:13:11 -0400, wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:19:27 -0800, sf > wrote: >> >> >On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:36:13 -0400, wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:56:36 -0800, sf > wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:31:36 -0500, jmcquown > >> >> >wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On 12/22/2014 4:20 PM, sf wrote: >> >> >> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:38:14 GMT, "l not -l" > >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>> Oh, come on. How can you say that with all the gramophones in >> >> >> >>> rfc? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> gramophones??? germaphobes, maybe; but I don't recall a single >> >> >> >> gramophone >> >> >> >> here. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Hit the wrong spell check and when I went back to look at the >> >> >> > choices >> >> >> > thought I'd picked a different one. This isn't bad as wrong word >> >> >> > choices go. >> >> >> > >> >> >> Just another reason not to rely on spell check. >> >> >> >> >> >It's not spell check's fault, Jill. The fault is all mine. This >> >> >kind >> >> >of thing is what tells me it's time for eye surgery, something I >> >> >don't >> >> >want to do because they let me wake up too early and it hurt. I say >> >> >BS about how you're supposed to forget the pain. I still remember. >> >> >> >> Are you talking about cataract surgery ? >> > >> >Yes. >> >> I pressured my doc into sending me to have it done - I could no longer >> accurately focus my cameras - it is wonderful - I can now read >> anything except the very finest print. >> >> You are not anesthetized for cataracts - they pour drops in your eyes >> that totally freeze them. I could see him doing it in the lights over >> the table, it was intriguing. Came home an hour later and while it >> took awhile to unfreeze and the eye to lose its dilation, nothing >> hurt. Good to go hours later. Couldn't wait for the second to be >> done, they don't do both at the same time here. >> >> I totally recommend cataract surgery. > > I was talking about when my other eye was done. They knocked me out > and I woke up too soon. My mother said it was a breeze too, but I > remain unconvinced based on my last experience. I think I'm > impervious to those meds. > > I've been hospitalized a couple of times and can't sleep in there. > They claimed they gave me a sleeping pill, but if they did - I > couldn't tell. My mom had no problems with one eye and nothing but problems with the other. They put the wrong lens in. Then she had infections for the better part of a year. |
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On Sunday, December 21, 2014 1:12:58 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-12-21 12:24 PM, Janet wrote: > > >> The fact remains that since the advent of those gloves in hospitals > >> infections have risen dramatically. > > > > Though not necessarily because of glove-wearing. > > > > BITGOD, hospital visiting times were limited, child visits to patients > > were not allowed at all (let alone, romping around on and off the floor > > to patients bed), adult visitors were not allowed to touch let alone sit > > on beds, kiss and hug patients, bring in food. > > Infections used to be very common in hospitals. That is why they > sterilized everything and used a lot of heavy duty cleaning products, > and there was constant cleaning of halls and rooms. > > > > Patients wore sterilised > > hospital gowns and stayed IN BED; they didn't wander around socialising > > with other sick people. > > I had a funny experience last year when I was in for my gall bladder > surgery. I had been eating nothing but clear fluids for over a week. > They were feeding me tea, gingerale and broth, all of which make me very > loose. After the surgery they asked me about my bowel movements, how > often and firmness. I told the day nurse I had a few loose ones. She > said to let her know if I had another loose one, leading me to think > they would give me medication for it. > > When the night nurse came in I told her that the day nurse had told me > to tell her if I had another loose movement. The next time she came > back she had a gown on and she wanted a stool sample. Everyone coming > into my room had gowns, and they removed them and dumped them into a bin > on the way out. The next morning as I was walking up and down the hall > I saw my breakfast in the hall and it was still clear fluids. I was fed > up with that stuff. I wanted real food. > > The cleaner came in wearing a gown and asked if I wanted her to bring my > breakfast in. I said I thought it was out there because I was holding > out for real food. She said it was out there because food services could > not come into my room because I was in quarantine. > > It turned out that the number of loose movements licked in the > C-Dificile protocol. That explained why everyone was wearing gowns when > they came in to see me. I guess they all assumed that someone had told > me about it. I was out getting a little exercise having no idea that I > was under quarantine. > > Gee, Dave - I think ALL of us could have lived without THAT story. |
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"Janet B" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:07:09 -0600, Becca EmaNymton > > wrote: > >>On 12/23/2014 9:19 AM, sf wrote: >>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:36:13 -0400, wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:56:36 -0800, sf > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:31:36 -0500, jmcquown > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/22/2014 4:20 PM, sf wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:38:14 GMT, "l not -l" > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, come on. How can you say that with all the gramophones in >>>>>>>>> rfc? >>>>>> >>>>>>>> gramophones??? germaphobes, maybe; but I don't recall a single >>>>>>>> gramophone >>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hit the wrong spell check and when I went back to look at the >>>>>>> choices >>>>>>> thought I'd picked a different one. This isn't bad as wrong word >>>>>>> choices go. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Just another reason not to rely on spell check. >>>>>> >>>>> It's not spell check's fault, Jill. The fault is all mine. This kind >>>>> of thing is what tells me it's time for eye surgery, something I don't >>>>> want to do because they let me wake up too early and it hurt. I say >>>>> BS about how you're supposed to forget the pain. I still remember. >>>> >>>> Are you talking about cataract surgery ? >>> >>> Yes. >> >>Please tell them that you do not want to wake up early and be in pain. I >>have never had cataract surgery, but it seems like they would have given >>you something for pain. I hope you have a better experience, this time. >> >>Becca >> >>If there is pain, something is wrong. > Janet US How could there be no pain? |
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On 12/23/2014 7:26 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:09:03 -0400, wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:57:12 -0800, sf > wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:13:11 -0400, wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:19:27 -0800, sf > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:36:13 -0400, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:56:36 -0800, sf > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:31:36 -0500, jmcquown > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/22/2014 4:20 PM, sf wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:38:14 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, come on. How can you say that with all the gramophones in rfc? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> gramophones??? germaphobes, maybe; but I don't recall a single gramophone >>>>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hit the wrong spell check and when I went back to look at the choices >>>>>>>>> thought I'd picked a different one. This isn't bad as wrong word >>>>>>>>> choices go. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just another reason not to rely on spell check. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not spell check's fault, Jill. The fault is all mine. This kind >>>>>>> of thing is what tells me it's time for eye surgery, something I don't >>>>>>> want to do because they let me wake up too early and it hurt. I say >>>>>>> BS about how you're supposed to forget the pain. I still remember. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you talking about cataract surgery ? >>>>> >>>>> Yes. >>>> >>>> I pressured my doc into sending me to have it done - I could no longer >>>> accurately focus my cameras - it is wonderful - I can now read >>>> anything except the very finest print. >>>> >>>> You are not anesthetized for cataracts - they pour drops in your eyes >>>> that totally freeze them. I could see him doing it in the lights over >>>> the table, it was intriguing. Came home an hour later and while it >>>> took awhile to unfreeze and the eye to lose its dilation, nothing >>>> hurt. Good to go hours later. Couldn't wait for the second to be >>>> done, they don't do both at the same time here. >>>> >>>> I totally recommend cataract surgery. >>> >>> I was talking about when my other eye was done. They knocked me out >>> and I woke up too soon. My mother said it was a breeze too, but I >>> remain unconvinced based on my last experience. I think I'm >>> impervious to those meds. >>> >>> I've been hospitalized a couple of times and can't sleep in there. >>> They claimed they gave me a sleeping pill, but if they did - I >>> couldn't tell. >> >> I went to the hospital for 6:30 am and was home by 1pm !! Both >> times. You best find another doctor, that all sounds completely >> antiquated ! > > It was in and out surgery and I wasn't there even that long. Not > understanding your point. > You said you were in pain. I've never heard of anyone being in pain (or put completely under anesthesia) for cataract surgery in the last few years. Jill |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:40:08 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote: >>> >>>> Around here cell phone use is not permitted in doctor's offices... >>>> there are signs saying to go outdoors to use your phone... many >>>> medical waiting rooms have cell phone signal jammers. >>> >>> <yawn> More of your fictional bullshit. Cell phone signal jammers >>> are against Federal law. And no doctor is going to open himself up to >>> a federal scrutiny and a lawsuit. >>> >>> Admit it - you just made that shit up just like half the other crap >>> you come up with here. >>> >>> If cell phones are not allowed in waiting rooms, is it also against >>> their rules that you can't talk to the person next to you? >> >> I do know that when I lived in NY, many places had signs for no cell >> phone use. That included restaurants. >>> >>>> Public pay >>>> phones were in booths or behind a sound barrier... but cell phone >>>> users are rude, they scream into their phone so annoy everyone around >>>> them and who needs to hear their filthy language. I have no need to >>>> use a phone when I'm not at home, in my entire life I used a pay phone >>>> maybe 4 times... every cell phone conversation I've ever overheard is >>>> nothing but inane gibberish with the foulest of language. >>> >>> You have a very odd lifestyle if that's all your hear on cell phones. >>> Hell, you practically never even go out of the house yet here you are >>> claiming to be an expert on how all people use their cell phones. >> >> I don't claim to be an expert on anything but I sure have heard people >> screaming and cursing on cell phones! Also talking bedroom type talk >> where little kids were. Some people have no clue. > > I only had that happen once at Safeway not too long ago, some woman > screaming into the phone with all kinds of nasty language, going over to > kick someones ass etc., I told her to take it somewhere else because no > one wants to hear it, and she did without cussing me out too. LOL This was an older woman at Winco. She did this throughout her entire shopping trip but the people she was complaining about seemed to change. One was on welfare, one wasn't raising her kids right. I tried to tune her out but it was difficult and actually a tad comical. |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message > ... >> On 12/23/2014 12:30 PM, Cheri wrote: >>> >>> I only had that happen once at Safeway not too long ago, some woman >>> screaming into the phone with all kinds of nasty language, going over to >>> kick someones ass etc., I told her to take it somewhere else because no >>> one wants to hear it, and she did without cussing me out too. LOL >>> >>> Cheri >>> >>> >> Sounds like it turned out well for both of you. >> >> Not cell phone related, but I had an encounter in a parking lot earlier >> this year. I had come out from the store and put my purchases in my car. >> There were some people parked right next to my car in a min-van with the >> doors open. They were talking to the folks in the car parked on the >> other side of them. There was a toddler wandering around while the >> adults stood around and chit-chatted over the roof of the van and around >> it. >> >> I'd finished my shopping, I was ready to leave. I put my items in my >> car, got into my car. They saw me but didn't budge. I got out, said, >> "Excuse me, would you mind closing your doors so I can back out?" One >> woman got all belligerant. You want us to do WHAT?! >> >> Give me a friggin break. I wasn't infringing on anyone's Civil Rights by >> asking them to close the door(s) to their van in a private parking lot to >> allow someone to exit their parking space. For a minute I thought it was >> going to turn confrontational. I don't understand that. >> >> I don't run into that sort of *attitude* here very often so it took me by >> surprise. It was a rare demonstration of hostility for absolutely no >> reason. >> >> Jill > > I don't understand it either. It seems more prevalent these days, or maybe > I just notice it more. I have noticed a lot of the open door stuff. I can't remember where we were but Angela was with me. There was a mother and adult son parked next to us. But the mom had issues. Kept opening one door then another. She was moving stuff around in the vehicle. She seemed to have quite a lot of stuff in there. The son could see that I wanted to back up and he kept trying to get his mom's attention but was failing. He finally walked over and apologized to us, saying that she had problems Yep. We could see that. Nobody got nasty or anything but it was annoying. The next most common thing would be people putting their kids in the vehicle. When Angela was little and I had to put her in her car seat, if I could see that the person next to me needed to get out, I would sit in the van next to her until they had backed out. But people just seem to be clueless. They'll stand there with their butt sticking out and door wide open. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:04:00 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote: > On 12/23/2014 7:26 PM, sf wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:09:03 -0400, wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:57:12 -0800, sf > wrote: > >> > > > > It was in and out surgery and I wasn't there even that long. Not > > understanding your point. > > > You said you were in pain. I've never heard of anyone being in pain (or > put completely under anesthesia) for cataract surgery in the last few years. > Yes, it hurt. I said it hurt and they gave me another dose of whatever it was through the IV, so I went back out and it didn't hurt anymore. -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:58:00 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > > "sf" > wrote in message > ... > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:19:12 -0700, Janet B > > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:19:27 -0800, sf > wrote: > >> > >> >On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:36:13 -0400, wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:56:36 -0800, sf > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:31:36 -0500, jmcquown > > >> >> >wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On 12/22/2014 4:20 PM, sf wrote: > >> >> >> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:38:14 GMT, "l not -l" > > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>> Oh, come on. How can you say that with all the gramophones in > >> >> >> >>> rfc? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> gramophones??? germaphobes, maybe; but I don't recall a single > >> >> >> >> gramophone > >> >> >> >> here. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Hit the wrong spell check and when I went back to look at the > >> >> >> > choices > >> >> >> > thought I'd picked a different one. This isn't bad as wrong word > >> >> >> > choices go. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Just another reason not to rely on spell check. > >> >> >> > >> >> >It's not spell check's fault, Jill. The fault is all mine. This > >> >> >kind > >> >> >of thing is what tells me it's time for eye surgery, something I > >> >> >don't > >> >> >want to do because they let me wake up too early and it hurt. I say > >> >> >BS about how you're supposed to forget the pain. I still remember. > >> >> > >> >> Are you talking about cataract surgery ? > >> > > >> >Yes. > >> Try again or try another doctor. Neither my husband or I had any > >> pain, surgery was completed while semi-conscious and we were awake > >> almost immediately. Our vision was improved immediately. There was > >> only light sensitivity for about 6 hours. Of course, our doctor is a > >> specialist in this field and has a large medical staff and surgical > >> facilities. He's been doing eye surgery for decades. > >> Janet US > > > > It will probably be another Dr. but it's the anesthesiologist who > > administers the meds, not the Dr. I just don't want to do it again, > > so I've been holding out. > > Try Carnosine eye drops. What is it supposed to do? -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:02:51 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > > "Janet B" > wrote in message > ... > >> > >>If there is pain, something is wrong. > > Janet US > > How could there be no pain? Agree! -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room. |
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"sf" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:58:00 -0800, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >> > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:19:12 -0700, Janet B > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:19:27 -0800, sf > wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:36:13 -0400, wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:56:36 -0800, sf > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:31:36 -0500, jmcquown >> >> >> > >> >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On 12/22/2014 4:20 PM, sf wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:38:14 GMT, "l not -l" > >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> Oh, come on. How can you say that with all the gramophones >> >> >> >> >>> in >> >> >> >> >>> rfc? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> gramophones??? germaphobes, maybe; but I don't recall a >> >> >> >> >> single >> >> >> >> >> gramophone >> >> >> >> >> here. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Hit the wrong spell check and when I went back to look at the >> >> >> >> > choices >> >> >> >> > thought I'd picked a different one. This isn't bad as wrong >> >> >> >> > word >> >> >> >> > choices go. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Just another reason not to rely on spell check. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >It's not spell check's fault, Jill. The fault is all mine. This >> >> >> >kind >> >> >> >of thing is what tells me it's time for eye surgery, something I >> >> >> >don't >> >> >> >want to do because they let me wake up too early and it hurt. I >> >> >> >say >> >> >> >BS about how you're supposed to forget the pain. I still >> >> >> >remember. >> >> >> >> >> >> Are you talking about cataract surgery ? >> >> > >> >> >Yes. >> >> Try again or try another doctor. Neither my husband or I had any >> >> pain, surgery was completed while semi-conscious and we were awake >> >> almost immediately. Our vision was improved immediately. There was >> >> only light sensitivity for about 6 hours. Of course, our doctor is a >> >> specialist in this field and has a large medical staff and surgical >> >> facilities. He's been doing eye surgery for decades. >> >> Janet US >> > >> > It will probably be another Dr. but it's the anesthesiologist who >> > administers the meds, not the Dr. I just don't want to do it again, >> > so I've been holding out. >> >> Try Carnosine eye drops. > > What is it supposed to do? Dissolve the cataract. |
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On 2014-12-23 7:24 PM, sf wrote:
>> And you have never heard in your world heard anyone order a drink and >> hold the ice or easy on the ice??? >> Oh never mind. You are just being obtuse. > > I have never heard anyone go on and on like you do about how a few > drops of melted ice ruin your alcohol. > You have never heard me go on and on about a few drops of melted ice ruining a drink. I was talking about excessive ice. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:01:46 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > > "sf" > wrote in message > ... > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:58:00 -0800, "Julie Bove" > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> "sf" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:19:12 -0700, Janet B > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:19:27 -0800, sf > wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >> > It will probably be another Dr. but it's the anesthesiologist who > >> > administers the meds, not the Dr. I just don't want to do it again, > >> > so I've been holding out. > >> > >> Try Carnosine eye drops. > > > > What is it supposed to do? > > Dissolve the cataract. OK, thanks. I'm a glaucoma candidate too. I knew I couldn't escape some sort of eye problem. Grandpa had macular degeneration in the days before laser surgery could help. Grandma had atherosclerosis that manifested over 24 hours. It was Thanksgiving and she didn't want to be taken to the emergency room. If she had consented, whatever was left of her sight could have been saved via massive doses of steroids - but she was completely blind by the time she went in and it's not reversible. -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room. |
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sf wrote:
> > "Julie Bove" wrote: > > I do know that when I lived in NY, many places had signs for no cell phone > > use. That included restaurants. > > That was a long time ago and things have changed since then. When my daughter was in HS, even bringing a pager or a cell phone onto school grounds would get you expelled for the year. They thought only drug dealers used those. |
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On 12/24/2014 6:09 AM, wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:01:46 -0800, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >>>> >>>> Try Carnosine eye drops. >>> >>> What is it supposed to do? >> >> Dissolve the cataract. > > That's the most ridiculous thing I have seen you say - how can drops > applied to the eye cure what's inside the eye ??? Think about it! > According to Wiki: [Carnosine] "is the active ingredient of eye drops used in order to prevent or treat cataracts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcarnosine Jill |
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On 12/24/2014 12:09 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:34:00 -0500, jmcquown > > wrote: > >> On 12/24/2014 6:09 AM, wrote: >>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:01:46 -0800, "Julie Bove" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "sf" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Try Carnosine eye drops. >>>>> >>>>> What is it supposed to do? >>>> >>>> Dissolve the cataract. >>> >>> That's the most ridiculous thing I have seen you say - how can drops >>> applied to the eye cure what's inside the eye ??? Think about it! >>> >> According to Wiki: >> >> [Carnosine] "is the active ingredient of eye drops used in order to >> prevent or treat cataracts. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcarnosine >> >> Jill > > "The evidence for the effectiveness of N-acetyl carnosine eye drops is > based on experience on a small number of cases carried out by a > Russian researcher team [Babizhayev]. To date, the research has not > been corroborated and the results replicated by others. The long-term > effect is unknown. Unfortunately, the evidence to date does not > support the 'promising potential' of this drug in cataract reversal. > More robust data from well conducted clinical trials on adequate > sample sizes will be required to support these claims of efficacy. > Furthermore, we do not feel the evidence base for the safety is in any > way sufficient to recommend its use in the short term. More research > is needed.[11] > Oddly enough, I'm willing to give them a try. I was told at my last eye exam (two years ago) I'm starting to develop cataracts. The doctor sort of chuckled and said, "Too bad you're not older, Medicare would cover cataract surgery." I read a lot of reviews about carnosine drops, both good and bad. I looked into different brands. Then I figured, why not try some eye drops? I use them from time to time for dry eyes anyway. I'm not expecting them to stop cataracts in their tracks. It might be interesting to ask the doctor, though, after I've used the drops for a few months. I'm due to get my eyes checked again next summer. Jill |
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On 12/23/2014 11:55 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-12-23 11:57 AM, sf wrote: > >>> I totally recommend cataract surgery. >> >> I was talking about when my other eye was done. They knocked me out >> and I woke up too soon. My mother said it was a breeze too, but I >> remain unconvinced based on my last experience. I think I'm >> impervious to those meds. >> >> I've been hospitalized a couple of times and can't sleep in there. >> They claimed they gave me a sleeping pill, but if they did - I >> couldn't tell. > > My wife had cataract surgery a couple months ago. She had a little bit > of sedation but was quite aware of everything going on. She said there > as a little bit of discomfort when the second one was done a few weeks > later. The only pain she had was after she scratched her iris while > administering eye drops to herself. > > She sure is glad to have have it done. She had been wearing glasses or > contacts since she was a about 8. Now she can read, watch television, > drive etc without glasses. Happy for your wife, she does not need to wear glasses anymore, this must have made a big difference in her life. This happened to one of my friends, she thought she would miss her glasses, but she was happy to be free of them. I do not wear glasses and nobody in my immediate family wears glasses, but when my firstborn went to get his first driver's license, they told him to get his eyes checked. I took him to an ophthalmologist (a former neighbor) and he needed glasses. He did not want to even try contacts. Becca |
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"Gary" > wrote in message ... > sf wrote: >> >> "Julie Bove" wrote: >> > I do know that when I lived in NY, many places had signs for no cell >> > phone >> > use. That included restaurants. >> >> That was a long time ago and things have changed since then. > > When my daughter was in HS, even bringing a pager or a cell phone onto > school grounds would get you expelled for the year. They thought only > drug dealers used those. And now they are supposed to bring cell phones. They had a party in French class and she had to bring 3 kinds of bread and a knife. I did not want to send the knife as it is against school rules. Thankfully we found the bread that she needed, already sliced. Because the hoops she would have had to jump through to get that knife there were unreal! |
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