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On Sunday, December 21, 2014 3:09:24 PM UTC-5, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/21/2014 1:28 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 22:49:55 -0600, Janet Wilder > > > wrote: > > > >> On 12/20/2014 6:51 PM, Ophelia wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message > >>> eb.com... > >>>> Hi and Happy Chanukah, > >>>> > >>>> The potato latkes batter is waiting. The 3 skillets have oil waiting to > >>>> be heated and the brisket and the gravy are in the crockpot keeping warm. > >>>> > >>>> The brisket sliced (cold after cooking yesterday) by just pushing on the > >>>> knife. Soooo tender. > >>>> > >>>> Other guests bring salad, snacks, applesauce and sour cream, dessert and > >>>> wine, lots of wine. > >>>> > >>>> Taking a break before the guests arrive. > >>>> > >>>> This party is given every year by my dear friend Dyan. She delegates and > >>>> brings wine. I cook latkes and brisket and her party is held in my > >>>> house. > >>> > >>> I don't know what Chanukah is, but it sounds like a celebration, so I do > >>> so hope you have a wonderful one!!! > >>> > >>> Are hugs allowed? Well hugs from me anyway  )))> >>> > >> Chanukah is a celebration of a military victory of a small group of > >> Hebrews against a much larger Syrian-Greek army. The Syrian-Greeks had > >> taken over Judea and were not allowing the people to worship as was > >> their heritage. They defiled the holy temple with idols and other > >> unclean stuff. When the Macabees, the group who led the overthrow, > >> reclaimed and cleaned up the temple, there was only enough purified > >> olive oil to last one day. It would take 8 days to make more. A > >> miracle occurred and the one vial lasted for eight days. We celebrate > >> Chanukah, the festival of lights for eight days. > >> > >> Things that are fried in oil are traditional foods. The European Jews, > >> and those with that heritage, make potato pancakes. The Spanish and > >> Oriental Jews make jelly donuts called soufganiot. > >> > >> It's a minor festival on the Hebrew calendar but, because it comes in > >> winter around Christmas time, it's gotten more importance than it deserves. > > > > Channukah is one of the very few Jewish holidays that one describes as > > "Happy", as in Happy Channukah. All the others but a very few one > > says Have a Good Holiday, Jews never say "Happy Passover"... typically > > they say "Gut Yuntiff". > > http://www.jewish-languages.org/jewi...icon/words/201 > > > > OY! Sheldon you are in the Dark Ages! > > Most of us say Chag Samaich which, in Hebrew, means happy holiday. > > Only the people with close European roots and the Ultra Orthodox, who > speak Yiddish in their homes, still say Gut (Yiddish) Yuntiff (a > corruption of the Hebrew 'Yom Tov', literally translating to "good day" > but meaning holiday). > > Everyone says Happy New Year (Rosh Ha'Shanah) and Happy Purim, besides > Happy Chanukah. > > Quoting the Internet is not always the truth. Since I am active in the > Jewish Community, I think I might know a little bit better than you. > > -- > From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas Wow. Until I hear a jew go on and on and on about "jewey" stuff, I almost...ALMOST...forget why multiple civilizations have attempted to exterminate you. ****ing annoying vermin. |
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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 22:49:55 -0600, Janet Wilder > > wrote: > >>On 12/20/2014 6:51 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message >>> eb.com... >>>> Hi and Happy Chanukah, >>>> >>>> The potato latkes batter is waiting. The 3 skillets have oil waiting >>>> to >>>> be heated and the brisket and the gravy are in the crockpot keeping >>>> warm. >>>> >>>> The brisket sliced (cold after cooking yesterday) by just pushing on >>>> the >>>> knife. Soooo tender. >>>> >>>> Other guests bring salad, snacks, applesauce and sour cream, dessert >>>> and >>>> wine, lots of wine. >>>> >>>> Taking a break before the guests arrive. >>>> >>>> This party is given every year by my dear friend Dyan. She delegates >>>> and >>>> brings wine. I cook latkes and brisket and her party is held in my >>>> house. >>> >>> I don't know what Chanukah is, but it sounds like a celebration, so I do >>> so hope you have a wonderful one!!! >>> >>> Are hugs allowed? Well hugs from me anyway )))>>> >>Chanukah is a celebration of a military victory of a small group of >>Hebrews against a much larger Syrian-Greek army. The Syrian-Greeks had >>taken over Judea and were not allowing the people to worship as was >>their heritage. They defiled the holy temple with idols and other >>unclean stuff. When the Macabees, the group who led the overthrow, >>reclaimed and cleaned up the temple, there was only enough purified >>olive oil to last one day. It would take 8 days to make more. A >>miracle occurred and the one vial lasted for eight days. We celebrate >>Chanukah, the festival of lights for eight days. >> >>Things that are fried in oil are traditional foods. The European Jews, >>and those with that heritage, make potato pancakes. The Spanish and >>Oriental Jews make jelly donuts called soufganiot. >> >>It's a minor festival on the Hebrew calendar but, because it comes in >>winter around Christmas time, it's gotten more importance than it >>deserves. > > Channukah is one of the very few Jewish holidays that one describes as > "Happy", as in Happy Channukah. All the others but a very few one > says Have a Good Holiday, Jews never say "Happy Passover"... typically > they say "Gut Yuntiff". > http://www.jewish-languages.org/jewi...icon/words/201 Blimey! One step at a time if you please -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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"S Viemeister" > wrote in message ... > On 12/21/2014 12:25 PM, jmcquown wrote: >> >> I'm not trying to make fun of her, I just marvel at the naivete of >> someone who says she's lived all over and gives the impression of having >> been exposed to different cultures. >> > The US has a more noticeable Jewish population than most of the places > Ophelia has lived. Thank you Sheila. I have never lived in a Jewish area. I would have been very interested if I had -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message eb.com... > On 12/21/2014 8:45 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message >> eb.com... >>> On 12/21/2014 5:31 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message >>>> eb.com... >>>>> On 12/20/2014 6:51 PM, Ophelia wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message >>>>>> eb.com... >>>>>>> Hi and Happy Chanukah, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The potato latkes batter is waiting. The 3 skillets have oil >>>>>>> waiting to >>>>>>> be heated and the brisket and the gravy are in the crockpot keeping >>>>>>> warm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The brisket sliced (cold after cooking yesterday) by just pushing on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> knife. Soooo tender. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Other guests bring salad, snacks, applesauce and sour cream, dessert >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> wine, lots of wine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Taking a break before the guests arrive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This party is given every year by my dear friend Dyan. She >>>>>>> delegates and >>>>>>> brings wine. I cook latkes and brisket and her party is held in my >>>>>>> house. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know what Chanukah is, but it sounds like a celebration, so I >>>>>> do >>>>>> so hope you have a wonderful one!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Are hugs allowed? Well hugs from me anyway )))>>>>>> >>>>> Chanukah is a celebration of a military victory of a small group of >>>>> Hebrews against a much larger Syrian-Greek army. The Syrian-Greeks >>>>> had taken over Judea and were not allowing the people to worship as >>>>> was their heritage. They defiled the holy temple with idols and other >>>>> unclean stuff. When the Macabees, the group who led the overthrow, >>>>> reclaimed and cleaned up the temple, there was only enough purified >>>>> olive oil to last one day. It would take 8 days to make more. A >>>>> miracle occurred and the one vial lasted for eight days. We celebrate >>>>> Chanukah, the festival of lights for eight days. >>>>> >>>>> Things that are fried in oil are traditional foods. The European >>>>> Jews, and those with that heritage, make potato pancakes. The Spanish >>>>> and Oriental Jews make jelly donuts called soufganiot. >>>>> >>>>> It's a minor festival on the Hebrew calendar but, because it comes in >>>>> winter around Christmas time, it's gotten more importance than it >>>>> deserves. >>>> >>>> Thank you A celebration is always good I watched the video on the>>>> site Ed posted too and it was very interesting. A miracle indeed that >>>> it kept alight for 8 days until more oil was available! >>>> >>>> I saw you have been doing plenty of cooking Enjoy your party)>>>> >>>> Happy Chanukah! >>>> >>> >>> Thanks. The party last night was a big success. The brisket was a huge >>> hit. >> >> Wonderful ) Do you celebrate all 8 days? I love how the kids get>> gifts over all 8 days I reckon they do better than the kids waiting>> for Father Christmas ))> > > I do celebrate all 8 days. I light the candles and the dog gets a present > every night. > >> BTW when you have recovered ... any chance of the recipe, please? No >> rush!! >> > I posted it. Sorry  -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:41:13 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote: >On 12/21/2014 11:01 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 12/21/2014 6:23 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> http://www.history.com/topics/holidays/hanukkah >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for that )>>>> >>>> I had heard of Hanukkah but I didn't know what it signified. It was a >>>> very interesting story. >>>> >>>> Happy Chanukah to everyone >>>> >>>> Thanks again >>>> >>>> >>> >>> In High School, my brother and I worked for a grocery store owned by a >>> Jewish couple. They employed a couple of family members and they >>> treated us like family too. It was a good education about a religion >>> and life that was different than ours. >> >> You were lucky I was raised a Catholic and never really knew about>> 'non catholics' <g> (that is how people of other faiths were referred to >> ... non Catholics!) >> >>> When one of the owners, Rose, died, I learned more abut the traditions >>> and had my first Yarmulke and learned to sit Shiva. >> >> Yarmulke? The only Shiva I know is an Indian god. >> >> >I know Ophelia doesn't read what I post since I'm a nasty person. Heh. > For someone purported to be a world traveller I find it rather >difficult to believe she's never learned anything outside of Catholic >school. How long ago was that schooling? > >I've always enjoyed learning about different cultures and religions. >I've been exposed to quite a few of them mostly through working with a >lot of different people. But I also read a lot. Even in fiction there >are references to the menorah and yarmulkes. > >It sounds to me as if Ophelia has actually led a very sheltered life. > >Jill I learned a lot about Judaism from the Harry Kemelman series The Rabbi Small Mysteries. I also learned from my neighbors and good friends in Texas who were Jewish. I will never forget when I offered the children a snack and they said they couldn't eat it because it was Passover. Another learning experience. -- Susan N. "Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy." Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974) |
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On 12/21/2014 3:02 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/21/2014 2:33 PM, S Viemeister wrote: >> On 12/21/2014 12:25 PM, jmcquown wrote: >>> >>> I'm not trying to make fun of her, I just marvel at the naivete of >>> someone who says she's lived all over and gives the impression of having >>> been exposed to different cultures. >>> >> The US has a more noticeable Jewish population than most of the places >> Ophelia has lived. >> > Absolutely true. I suppose I've just been around more Jewish people > than she has. And read a tad more about it. Fair enough? > Yes. |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > > > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > ... >> On 12/21/2014 6:23 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>> >> >> >>>> http://www.history.com/topics/holidays/hanukkah >>> >>> Thank you very much for that )>>> >>> I had heard of Hanukkah but I didn't know what it signified. It was a >>> very interesting story. >>> >>> Happy Chanukah to everyone >>> >>> Thanks again >>> >>> >> >> In High School, my brother and I worked for a grocery store owned by a >> Jewish couple. They employed a couple of family members and they treated >> us like family too. It was a good education about a religion and life >> that was different than ours. > > You were lucky I was raised a Catholic and never really knew about 'non > catholics' <g> (that is how people of other faiths were referred to ... > non Catholics!) > > >> When one of the owners, Rose, died, I learned more abut the traditions >> and had my first Yarmulke and learned to sit Shiva. > > Yarmulke? The only Shiva I know is an Indian god. It's a head covering for men. |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 12/21/2014 11:01 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 12/21/2014 6:23 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> http://www.history.com/topics/holidays/hanukkah >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for that )>>>> >>>> I had heard of Hanukkah but I didn't know what it signified. It was a >>>> very interesting story. >>>> >>>> Happy Chanukah to everyone >>>> >>>> Thanks again >>>> >>>> >>> >>> In High School, my brother and I worked for a grocery store owned by a >>> Jewish couple. They employed a couple of family members and they >>> treated us like family too. It was a good education about a religion >>> and life that was different than ours. >> >> You were lucky I was raised a Catholic and never really knew about>> 'non catholics' <g> (that is how people of other faiths were referred to >> ... non Catholics!) >> >>> When one of the owners, Rose, died, I learned more abut the traditions >>> and had my first Yarmulke and learned to sit Shiva. >> >> Yarmulke? The only Shiva I know is an Indian god. >> >> > I know Ophelia doesn't read what I post since I'm a nasty person. Heh. > For someone purported to be a world traveller I find it rather difficult > to believe she's never learned anything outside of Catholic school. How > long ago was that schooling? > > I've always enjoyed learning about different cultures and religions. I've > been exposed to quite a few of them mostly through working with a lot of > different people. But I also read a lot. Even in fiction there are > references to the menorah and yarmulkes. > > It sounds to me as if Ophelia has actually led a very sheltered life. I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied religion in school as well. |
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> wrote in message ... > On Sunday, December 21, 2014 6:31:18 AM UTC-8, Janet Wilder wrote: >> On 12/21/2014 1:10 AM, wrote: >> > On Saturday, December 20, 2014 8:50:09 PM UTC-8, Janet Wilder wrote: >> >> On 12/20/2014 6:51 PM, Ophelia wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message >> >>> eb.com... >> >>>> Hi and Happy Chanukah, >> >>>> >> >>>> The potato latkes batter is waiting. The 3 skillets have oil >> >>>> waiting to >> >>>> be heated and the brisket and the gravy are in the crockpot keeping >> >>>> warm. >> >>>> >> >>>> The brisket sliced (cold after cooking yesterday) by just pushing on >> >>>> the >> >>>> knife. Soooo tender. >> >>>> >> >>>> Other guests bring salad, snacks, applesauce and sour cream, dessert >> >>>> and >> >>>> wine, lots of wine. >> >>>> >> >>>> Taking a break before the guests arrive. >> >>>> >> >>>> This party is given every year by my dear friend Dyan. She >> >>>> delegates and >> >>>> brings wine. I cook latkes and brisket and her party is held in my >> >>>> house. >> >>> >> >>> I don't know what Chanukah is, but it sounds like a celebration, so I >> >>> do >> >>> so hope you have a wonderful one!!! >> >>> >> >>> Are hugs allowed? Well hugs from me anyway )))>> >>> >> >> Chanukah is a celebration of a military victory of a small group of >> >> Hebrews against a much larger Syrian-Greek army. The Syrian-Greeks >> >> had >> >> taken over Judea and were not allowing the people to worship as was >> >> their heritage. They defiled the holy temple with idols and other >> >> unclean stuff. When the Macabees, the group who led the overthrow, >> >> reclaimed and cleaned up the temple, there was only enough purified >> >> olive oil to last one day. It would take 8 days to make more. A >> >> miracle occurred and the one vial lasted for eight days. We celebrate >> >> Chanukah, the festival of lights for eight days. >> > >> > The story of the rededication of the temple is told in the books of >> > the Maccabees, which are part of the Catholic Bible although declared >> > "Apocrypha" in other faiths. The rededication was celebrated for eight >> > days.1 Macc. 4:59 >> > >> > "59 Then Judas, with his brothers and all the assembly of Israel, laid >> > down a law that every year at that season the dedication of the altar >> > should be observed with joy and happiness for eight days, beginning >> > with the twenty-fifth day of Kislev." >> > >> > The idea of their being only enough oil for one day but lasting for >> > eight appears to have been an oral tradition. >> >> >> It's not a biblical holiday, but it is referenced in later writings. > > Knowing which ancient scriptures made the cut and were included in > the canon, and why other were left out, has always piqued my interest. > >> >> >> Things that are fried in oil are traditional foods. The European >> >> Jews, >> >> and those with that heritage, make potato pancakes. The Spanish and >> >> Oriental Jews make jelly donuts called soufganiot. >> > >> > Potatoes are a New World food, so I wonder what European Jews fried >> > before >> > 1492. >> >> Maybe they fried grated turnips. Does it really matter what was fried? >> The oil is what counts. > > The history of food and cooking also interests me. Imagine Italian food > before tomatoes, for example. Tropical cuisines around the world embraced > the chili pepper. Or before pasta since that came from the Chinese... |
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On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different > religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied > religion in school as well. That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. |
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On Sunday, December 21, 2014 2:17:58 PM UTC-8, The Cook wrote:
> I learned a lot about Judaism from the Harry Kemelman series The Rabbi > Small Mysteries. I also learned from my neighbors and good friends in > Texas who were Jewish. I will never forget when I offered the > children a snack and they said they couldn't eat it because it was > Passover. Another learning experience. If I remember right, whole fresh fruit is a welcome snack at Passover. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> > > >> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >> religion in school as well. > > That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. Interesting. The Catholic church here teamed up with our church and the Lutheran one and they all pretty much worked as one. |
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> wrote: > Perhaps you don't know Glasgow has one of the major Jewish > communities in Britain, the fourth largest in the UK. It was > historically one of the major UK settlement areas for Jewish immigrants > and refugees from Europe and Russia. Let's not forget this guy. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli>. He was a powerhouse in his day, at the top of world politics and very British. Honestly, you lasses and birds forget your history. <with a big winkey> leo |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> > > >> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >> religion in school as well. > > That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. Gosh yes! -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > > > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > ... >> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >> >> >>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >>> religion in school as well. >> >> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. > > Gosh yes! Not where we were in the US. I imagine it makes a difference what parish or school you attended. Cheri Cheri |
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On Monday, December 22, 2014 6:58:14 AM UTC-8, Cheri wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message > ... > > > > > > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > > ... > >> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: > >>> > >> > >> > >>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different > >>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied > >>> religion in school as well. > >> > >> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. > > > > Gosh yes! > > Not where we were in the US. I imagine it makes a difference what parish or > school you attended. > Vatican II opened things up. Before then, the fear of losing Catholics to conversion outweighed ecumenism. When my mother moved to the big bad city as a young woman, somebody gave her a set of "Quizzes to a Street Preacher," pamphlets that would arm her with knowledge against Protestant salesmanship. Still (or once again) in print: https://www.tanbooks.com/index.php/p...roduct_id/311/ She had been taught, for another example, that the Y was little more than a Protestant recruiting office, so we were never allowed to go there. |
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"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message ... > In article > , Janet > > wrote: > >> Perhaps you don't know Glasgow has one of the major Jewish >> communities in Britain, the fourth largest in the UK. It was >> historically one of the major UK settlement areas for Jewish immigrants >> and refugees from Europe and Russia. > > Let's not forget this guy. > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli>. He was a powerhouse > in his day, at the top of world politics and very British. Honestly, > you lasses and birds forget your history. <with a big winkey> lol -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Ophelia" > wrote in message > ... >> >> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >>>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >>>> religion in school as well. >>> >>> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. >> >> Gosh yes! > > Not where we were in the US. I imagine it makes a difference what parish > or school you attended. Or country and year I suppose. I suspect things changed a lot in more recent years. I heard yesterday that our current Pope is giving a lot of grief to leaders in the church that they are not pious enough -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 12/22/2014 1:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > ... >> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >> >> >>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >>> religion in school as well. >> >> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. > > Interesting. The Catholic church here teamed up with our church and the > Lutheran one and they all pretty much worked as one. It has been 50 years since I went to school so perhaps the Catholic church has moved to the 18th century by now. |
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On 22/12/2014 8:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/22/2014 1:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: >> > > It has been 50 years since I went to school so perhaps the Catholic > church has moved to the 18th century by now. Nah! They're still in the Bronze Age! Graham |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 12/22/2014 1:02 AM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >>>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >>>> religion in school as well. >>> >>> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. >> >> Interesting. The Catholic church here teamed up with our church and the >> Lutheran one and they all pretty much worked as one. > > It has been 50 years since I went to school so perhaps the Catholic church > has moved to the 18th century by now. That could be but I also gather that the way we do things here in the Seattle area is not the way other parts of the country do things. |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Ophelia" > wrote in message > ... >> >> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >>>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >>>> religion in school as well. >>> >>> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. >> >> Gosh yes! > > Not where we were in the US. I imagine it makes a difference what parish > or school you attended. For my church it was a requirement for us to study different religions if we wanted to be confirmed. I did not want to be confirmed but my parents gave us no choice. We went to church at least once a week up until the point where my brother was confirmed. And then? We never went again. Not as a family anyway. I found that odd. Not sure what they thought they would accomplish by having us confirmed, seeing as how we both were and still are atheists. |
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> wrote in message ... > On Monday, December 22, 2014 6:58:14 AM UTC-8, Cheri wrote: >> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >> ... >> > >> > >> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> > ... >> >> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >> >>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >> >>> religion in school as well. >> >> >> >> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. >> > >> > Gosh yes! >> >> Not where we were in the US. I imagine it makes a difference what parish >> or >> school you attended. >> > > Vatican II opened things up. Before then, the fear of losing Catholics > to conversion outweighed ecumenism. When my mother moved to the big > bad city as a young woman, somebody gave her a set of "Quizzes to a > Street Preacher," pamphlets that would arm her with knowledge against > Protestant salesmanship. Still (or once again) in print: > > https://www.tanbooks.com/index.php/p...roduct_id/311/ > > She had been taught, for another example, that the Y was little more > than a Protestant recruiting office, so we were never allowed to go > there. We had a Catholic family on our block when I was growing up. They went to the Y with us to go swimming. They also went to things at our church with us. This was in the 1960's. |
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:35:28 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote: > > >"Cheri" > wrote in message ... >> >> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> >>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >>>>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >>>>> religion in school as well. >>>> >>>> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. >>> >>> Gosh yes! >> >> Not where we were in the US. I imagine it makes a difference what parish >> or school you attended. > >Or country and year I suppose. I suspect things changed a lot in more >recent years. I heard yesterday that our current Pope is giving a lot of >grief to leaders in the church that they are not pious enough I like this Pope! He's a regular person who has associated with real people. (I am not Catholic) I imagine he has caused a bit of a flutter within the walls of the Vatican. Janet US |
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"Janet B" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:35:28 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> >>"Cheri" > wrote in message ... >>> >>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >>>>>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >>>>>> religion in school as well. >>>>> >>>>> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. >>>> >>>> Gosh yes! >>> >>> Not where we were in the US. I imagine it makes a difference what parish >>> or school you attended. >> >>Or country and year I suppose. I suspect things changed a lot in more >>recent years. I heard yesterday that our current Pope is giving a lot of >>grief to leaders in the church that they are not pious enough > > I like this Pope! He's a regular person who has associated with real > people. (I am not Catholic) I imagine he has caused a bit of a > flutter within the walls of the Vatican. A flutter?????? He is like a bomb blast!!! He is (I believe) the first Jesuit Pope and an outsider! "Bergoglio was elected in large part because he was a Vatican outsider. This gave the cardinals hope that he could successfully reform the curia, the Catholic Church's ineffective-and in some cases criminally corrupt-bureaucracy in Rome." Pope Francis even refuses to live in his grand palace! He wants all the Cardinals etc to follow suit and live simply <g> They are not too happy!!! Anyway, he is much more. Read he http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...p-francis.html -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:50:55 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote: > > >"Janet B" > wrote in message .. . >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:35:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>"Cheri" > wrote in message ... >>>> >>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study different >>>>>>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >>>>>>> religion in school as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. >>>>> >>>>> Gosh yes! >>>> >>>> Not where we were in the US. I imagine it makes a difference what parish >>>> or school you attended. >>> >>>Or country and year I suppose. I suspect things changed a lot in more >>>recent years. I heard yesterday that our current Pope is giving a lot of >>>grief to leaders in the church that they are not pious enough >> >> I like this Pope! He's a regular person who has associated with real >> people. (I am not Catholic) I imagine he has caused a bit of a >> flutter within the walls of the Vatican. > >A flutter?????? He is like a bomb blast!!! He is (I believe) the first >Jesuit Pope and an outsider! > >"Bergoglio was elected in large part because he was a Vatican outsider. This >gave the cardinals hope that he could successfully reform the curia, the >Catholic Church's ineffective-and in some cases criminally >corrupt-bureaucracy in Rome." > >Pope Francis even refuses to live in his grand palace! He wants all the >Cardinals etc to follow suit and live simply <g> They are not too happy!!! >Anyway, he is much more. Read he > >http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...p-francis.html The Cardinals are no different than our Congress. They are accustomed to pomp, circumstance, power and privilege. Living simply is an affront. Janet US |
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"Janet B" > wrote in message news  > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:50:55 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> >>"Janet B" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:35:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"Cheri" > wrote in message ... >>>>> >>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> On 12/21/2014 6:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was raised Methodist but our church required us to study >>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>> religions and even visit other churches and temples. We studied >>>>>>>> religion in school as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That was frowned upon by our Catholic school nuns. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gosh yes! >>>>> >>>>> Not where we were in the US. I imagine it makes a difference what >>>>> parish >>>>> or school you attended. >>>> >>>>Or country and year I suppose. I suspect things changed a lot in more >>>>recent years. I heard yesterday that our current Pope is giving a lot >>>>of >>>>grief to leaders in the church that they are not pious enough >>> >>> I like this Pope! He's a regular person who has associated with real >>> people. (I am not Catholic) I imagine he has caused a bit of a >>> flutter within the walls of the Vatican. >> >>A flutter?????? He is like a bomb blast!!! He is (I believe) the first >>Jesuit Pope and an outsider! >> >>"Bergoglio was elected in large part because he was a Vatican outsider. >>This >>gave the cardinals hope that he could successfully reform the curia, the >>Catholic Church's ineffective-and in some cases criminally >>corrupt-bureaucracy in Rome." >> >>Pope Francis even refuses to live in his grand palace! He wants all the >>Cardinals etc to follow suit and live simply <g> They are not too >>happy!!! >>Anyway, he is much more. Read he >> >>http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...p-francis.html > > The Cardinals are no different than our Congress. They are accustomed > to pomp, circumstance, power and privilege. Living simply is an > affront. I suppose in their case, they have the excuse that they are not supposed to be pious and holy eh? I think all politicians are in it for gain -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 12/23/2014 8:19 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > For my church it was a requirement for us to study different religions > if we wanted to be confirmed. I did not want to be confirmed but my > parents gave us no choice. We went to church at least once a week up > until the point where my brother was confirmed. And then? We never > went again. Not as a family anyway. I found that odd. Not sure what > they thought they would accomplish by having us confirmed, seeing as how > we both were and still are atheists. I'm not an atheist, but I do have some beliefs that don't align with most organized religions. Sitting in a building for an hour each week does not make you a better person. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 12/23/2014 8:19 AM, Julie Bove wrote: >> > > >> For my church it was a requirement for us to study different religions >> if we wanted to be confirmed. I did not want to be confirmed but my >> parents gave us no choice. We went to church at least once a week up >> until the point where my brother was confirmed. And then? We never >> went again. Not as a family anyway. I found that odd. Not sure what >> they thought they would accomplish by having us confirmed, seeing as how >> we both were and still are atheists. > > I'm not an atheist, but I do have some beliefs that don't align with most > organized religions. Sitting in a building for an hour each week does not > make you a better person. Agree. And although I don't really like to discuss religion, what I saw time and time again in churches was people listening to what was being preached, then immediately leaving the church and doing the exact opposite of what they were being told to do or more likely not to do. This is what I don't understand. Yeah, I was sitting in there too. I went with the people I was staying with because for some reason the mere fact that I would go, meant something to them. But I am sort of a practice what you preach sort of person. I feel that if you feel strongly enough about something to tell others about it, then you'd best be doing that thing yourself. And yet time and time again, I would see the opposite. It's as though some of the church goers feel that going there excuses any sort of poor behavior they might want to exhibit. Or in some cases, not even poor behavior. Just doing the opposite. Such as not drinking alcohol, eating meat, listening to rock and roll music, etc. |
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"Bruce" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:24:00 -0800, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >>This is what I don't understand. Yeah, I was sitting in there too. I >>went >>with the people I was staying with because for some reason the mere fact >>that I would go, meant something to them. But I am sort of a practice >>what >>you preach sort of person. I feel that if you feel strongly enough about >>something to tell others about it, then you'd best be doing that thing >>yourself. And yet time and time again, I would see the opposite. It's as >>though some of the church goers feel that going there excuses any sort of >>poor behavior they might want to exhibit. Or in some cases, not even poor >>behavior. Just doing the opposite. Such as not drinking alcohol, eating >>meat, listening to rock and roll music, etc. > > Are you saying there's a church that tells the flock to drink alcohol? > And then the flock leaves the church and doesn't? I said that they said *not* to drink. But the people do drink. |
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On 12/23/2014 2:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/23/2014 8:19 AM, Julie Bove wrote: >> > > >> For my church it was a requirement for us to study different religions >> if we wanted to be confirmed. I did not want to be confirmed but my >> parents gave us no choice. We went to church at least once a week up >> until the point where my brother was confirmed. And then? We never >> went again. Not as a family anyway. I found that odd. Not sure what >> they thought they would accomplish by having us confirmed, seeing as how >> we both were and still are atheists. > > I'm not an atheist, but I do have some beliefs that don't align with > most organized religions. Sitting in a building for an hour each week > does not make you a better person. It might not make me a better person, but it makes me feel better as a person. -- From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas |
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On 12/23/2014 9:03 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Bruce" > wrote in message > ... >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:24:00 -0800, "Julie Bove" >> > wrote: >> >>> behavior. Just doing the opposite. Such as not drinking alcohol, >>> eating >>> meat, listening to rock and roll music, etc. >> >> Are you saying there's a church that tells the flock to drink alcohol? >> And then the flock leaves the church and doesn't? > > I said that they said *not* to drink. But the people do drink. I had a friend who was a home economics teacher. She was raised Catholic (can't say she was devout). The only decent paying teaching job she could get was at a private Baptist school in Mississippi. She had to sign a paper stating she wouldn't drink, smoke or *dance* before they would employ her. This was at least thirty years ago. She was 25 years old and she certainly *was* out drinking and dancing. She didn't expect to run into the older parents of her students (or faculty!) from the school in a club . Of course she did. Hypocrites. She signed that piece of paper to get a job. They actually pretended they followed all those rules, putting on a face for the community. Jill |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 12/23/2014 9:03 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> "Bruce" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:24:00 -0800, "Julie Bove" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> behavior. Just doing the opposite. Such as not drinking alcohol, >>>> eating >>>> meat, listening to rock and roll music, etc. >>> >>> Are you saying there's a church that tells the flock to drink alcohol? >>> And then the flock leaves the church and doesn't? >> >> I said that they said *not* to drink. But the people do drink. > > I had a friend who was a home economics teacher. She was raised Catholic > (can't say she was devout). The only decent paying teaching job she could > get was at a private Baptist school in Mississippi. She had to sign a > paper stating she wouldn't drink, smoke or *dance* before they would > employ her. > > This was at least thirty years ago. She was 25 years old and she > certainly *was* out drinking and dancing. She didn't expect to run into > the older parents of her students (or faculty!) from the school in a club > . Of course she did. Hypocrites. > > She signed that piece of paper to get a job. They actually pretended they > followed all those rules, putting on a face for the community. My parents did that weekly at our church in Wichita. My dad smoked. My mom was always trying to smoke but just couldn't do it. They drank. They went out dancing and I took dance lessons. So for me? Religion made no sense. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:33:33 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote: > > >"Janet B" > wrote in message snip >> >> The Cardinals are no different than our Congress. They are accustomed >> to pomp, circumstance, power and privilege. Living simply is an >> affront. > >I suppose in their case, they have the excuse that they are not supposed to >be pious and holy eh? I think all politicians are in it for gain Well, not pious and holy, but they are supposed to serve the people, not themselves. Merry Christmas Janet US |
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On 12/23/2014 10:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > She signed that piece of paper to get a job. They actually pretended > they followed all those rules, putting on a face for the community. > > Jill Remember the old joke Protestant don't recognize the Pope as the head of the church Jew don't recognize Jesus as the savior Methodists don't recognize each other at the liquor store. |
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