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> So, what did people do before fridges?

Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also wouldn't
have baked a casserole the night before.

My parents didn't have refrigerators when they were young but they did have
ice boxes. Those were mostly used for things like milk.

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>
> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also wouldn't
> have baked a casserole the night before.

They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as they got
them.
If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?

Never mind. Don't bother to answer.


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My grandfather was a farmer in the early-to-mid part of the last century.
He had a large ice house, and people would drive by (first in horse and
buggy, later in automobile) to buy ice for their ice boxes. My
grandparents, land went to the edge of a large lake, and my grandfather
would cut large squares of ice from the lake in the winter. These would be
stored in the ice house. That was before my time, but I think extra
insulation was provided by covering the ice with sawdust in the ice house.
They also had an underground root cellar, and that was cool enough to store
many varieties of food for extended periods of time. They had an electric
refrigerator by the time I was born, but they still used the root cellar for
many items. They lived in northeast Ohio.

MaryL

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:30:07 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
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>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/di...anted=all&_r=0
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>So, what did people do before fridges?

They preserved all the food that they could and ate whatever was
there. According to my aunt my paternal grandparents had an icebox in
1915. Of course they lived in town. My maternal grandparents lived
in the country and quick trips to the grocery store were out of the
question. Fresh came from the gardens and the fields during the
season. Meat from the smokehouse and fruits and vegetables from the
cellar during the winter. Milk and butter from the cows.

I remember that a house at the beach about 1950 still had an icebox.
And horse-drawn wagons come around with ice and fresh foods.
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On 12/24/2014 8:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
>My grandfather was a farmer in the early-to-mid part of the last
>century. He had a large ice house, and people would drive by (first in
>horse and buggy, later in automobile) to buy ice for their ice boxes.
>My grandparents, land went to the edge of a large lake, and my
>grandfather would cut large squares of ice from the lake in the >winter.

I've seen things on tv about that, so interesting. Ice
businesses wound up having to move further and further north
as their lakes wouldn't freeze like they used to.

Global warming, nothing new.

> These would be stored in the ice house. That was before my time, but
>I think extra insulation was provided by covering the ice with sawdust
>in the ice house. They also had an underground root cellar, and that
>was cool enough to store many varieties of food for extended periods
>of time. They had an electric refrigerator by the time I was born,
>but they still used the root cellar for many items. They lived in
>northeast Ohio.

I have seen farmhouses that sill have their root cellar, and that's
where they keep the canned stuff they put up, aside from whatever
else. Maybe even root vegetables. Seems weird to me with the dirt
floor but I guess they don't get too many bugs or whatnot.

nancy

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> So, what did people do before fridges?

> My grandfather was a farmer in the early-to-mid part of the last century.
> He had a large ice house, and people would drive by (first in horse and
> buggy, later in automobile) to buy ice for their ice boxes. My
> grandparents, land went to the edge of a large lake, and my grandfather
> would cut large squares of ice from the lake in the winter. These would
> be stored in the ice house. That was before my time, but I think extra
> insulation was provided by covering the ice with sawdust in the ice house.
> They also had an underground root cellar, and that was cool enough to
> store many varieties of food for extended periods of time. They had an
> electric refrigerator by the time I was born, but they still used the root
> cellar for many items. They lived in northeast Ohio.

Exactly! Thanks, Mary!

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>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/di...anted=all&_r=0
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>>So, what did people do before fridges?
>
> They preserved all the food that they could and ate whatever was
> there. According to my aunt my paternal grandparents had an icebox in
> 1915. Of course they lived in town. My maternal grandparents lived
> in the country and quick trips to the grocery store were out of the
> question. Fresh came from the gardens and the fields during the
> season. Meat from the smokehouse and fruits and vegetables from the
> cellar during the winter. Milk and butter from the cows.

I don't have all that, but I do a lot of preserving


>
> I remember that a house at the beach about 1950 still had an icebox.
> And horse-drawn wagons come around with ice and fresh foods.

Wonderful)
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> ~~~~~~~~
> My grandfather was a farmer in the early-to-mid part of the last century.
> He had a large ice house, and people would drive by (first in horse and
> buggy, later in automobile) to buy ice for their ice boxes. My
> grandparents, land went to the edge of a large lake, and my grandfather
> would cut large squares of ice from the lake in the winter. These would be
> stored in the ice house. That was before my time, but I think extra
> insulation was provided by covering the ice with sawdust in the ice house..
> They also had an underground root cellar, and that was cool enough to store
> many varieties of food for extended periods of time. They had an electric
> refrigerator by the time I was born, but they still used the root cellar for
> many items. They lived in northeast Ohio.
>
> MaryL

The house where my mother was born (1917) is near a lake. My Grandfather was the lake master for many years. On the property there is a root cellar/ice house. The structure is below ground and has thick walls and a thick roof. They would load it with vegetables in the fall. Mom said they would put in pumpkins, winter squash, melons, and whatever. Grandma raised turkeys and sold turkeys and pumpkins and squash at Thanksgiving time. By January when the lake was frozen over, the produce was gone and they would load the ice house with ice cut from the lake. There is an old photo of a machine that would cut the ice and the men would stack it onto the sled drawn by horses. The crew was like the thrashing crews that would come by and cut ice and move on. The ice would last until about the 4th of July. They put layers of straw between the produce and also the ice.

Granddad lost the job when the depression came and they had to move from the lake. This is in northeastern Colorado.

What simple days.

DaleP

On 12/24/2014 8:13 AM, Ophelia wrote:
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>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>
>> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
>> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also wouldn't
>> have baked a casserole the night before.
>
> They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as they
> got them.
> If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?
>
> Never mind. Don't bother to answer.
>
>
Catching on, are you? Heh.

Jill

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> So, what did people do before fridges?
>
Many years ago I posted about a woman I worked with who grew up on her
grandparents farm. At sunup it was time to make breakfast for the
family. Immediately after breakfast (dishes and cooking pots washed) it
was time to start lunch. Her example was fried chicken, potatoes,
vegetables from the garden, more biscuits or fresh bread with butter.
The guys didn't always come in from tending the livestock and the fields
for a couple of hours. She said her grandmother just set the food on
the table and covered it with a cloth. The food often sat there for a
couple of hours before they finally sat down to eat. Amazing they survived.

Jill

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:26:20 -0800 (PST), dalep
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:28:40 AM UTC-7, MaryL wrote:
>> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
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>> So, what did people do before fridges?
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>>
>> ~~~~~~~~
>> My grandfather was a farmer in the early-to-mid part of the last century.
>> He had a large ice house, and people would drive by (first in horse and
>> buggy, later in automobile) to buy ice for their ice boxes. My
>> grandparents, land went to the edge of a large lake, and my grandfather
>> would cut large squares of ice from the lake in the winter. These would be
>> stored in the ice house. That was before my time, but I think extra
>> insulation was provided by covering the ice with sawdust in the ice house.
>> They also had an underground root cellar, and that was cool enough to store
>> many varieties of food for extended periods of time. They had an electric
>> refrigerator by the time I was born, but they still used the root cellar for
>> many items. They lived in northeast Ohio.
>>
>> MaryL
>
>The house where my mother was born (1917) is near a lake. My Grandfather was the lake master for many years. On the property there is a root cellar/ice house. The structure is below ground and has thick walls and a thick roof. They would load it with vegetables in the fall. Mom said they would put in pumpkins, winter squash, melons, and whatever. Grandma raised turkeys and sold turkeys and pumpkins and squash at Thanksgiving time. By January when the lake was frozen over, the produce was gone and they would load the ice house with ice cut from the lake. There is an old photo of a machine that would cut the ice and the men would stack it onto the sled drawn by horses. The crew was like the thrashing crews that would come by and cut ice and move on. The ice would last until about the 4th of July. They put layers of straw between the produce and also the ice.
>
>Granddad lost the job when the depression came and they had to move from the lake. This is in northeastern Colorado.
>
>What simple days.
>
>DaleP
My mother told me that when they butchered pigs on the farm they would
prepare hams and sausage for smoking, but the chops were all fried up
at one time. They layered the chops with the pork fat in a barrel
that was kept in a cold place. They ate from the barrel all winter.
Janet US

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:15:40 -0500, The Cook >
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>
>I remember that a house at the beach about 1950 still had an icebox.
>And horse-drawn wagons come around with ice and fresh foods.

Grandpa's cabin at the lake had an icebox. We always picked up a
block of ice before heading out there for the weekend.
Janet US

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:36:51 -0700, Janet B >
wrote:

>
>My mother told me that when they butchered pigs on the farm they would
>prepare hams and sausage for smoking, but the chops were all fried up
>at one time. They layered the chops with the pork fat in a barrel
>that was kept in a cold place. They ate from the barrel all winter.
>Janet US


Pork confit!

Boron

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:16:47 AM UTC-5, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/24/2014 8:28 AM, MaryL wrote:
> >My grandfather was a farmer in the early-to-mid part of the last
> >century. He had a large ice house, and people would drive by (first in
> >horse and buggy, later in automobile) to buy ice for their ice boxes.
> >My grandparents, land went to the edge of a large lake, and my
> >grandfather would cut large squares of ice from the lake in the >winter.
>
> I've seen things on tv about that, so interesting. Ice
> businesses wound up having to move further and further north
> as their lakes wouldn't freeze like they used to.
>
> Global warming, nothing new.
>
> > These would be stored in the ice house. That was before my time, but
> >I think extra insulation was provided by covering the ice with sawdust
> >in the ice house. They also had an underground root cellar, and that
> >was cool enough to store many varieties of food for extended periods
> >of time. They had an electric refrigerator by the time I was born,
> >but they still used the root cellar for many items. They lived in
> >northeast Ohio.
>
> I have seen farmhouses that sill have their root cellar, and that's
> where they keep the canned stuff they put up, aside from whatever
> else. Maybe even root vegetables. Seems weird to me with the dirt
> floor but I guess they don't get too many bugs or whatnot.
>
> nancy

My folks said that huge blocks or sheets of ice were floated down from such places as Labrador, then stored in ice houses under straw etc.

Many people just went out, grabbed eggs off the nest and cooked for the next meal. It was truly a source to mouth eating plan. I'm certain that the seasons governed much of what was eaten.

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Janet B wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:15:40 -0500, The Cook >
> wrote:
>
>
> snip
> >
> >I remember that a house at the beach about 1950 still had an icebox.
> >And horse-drawn wagons come around with ice and fresh foods.
>
> Grandpa's cabin at the lake had an icebox. We always picked up a
> block of ice before heading out there for the weekend.
> Janet US

A friend who lived in Miami in the late 40s remembers ice still being delivered.

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:01:11 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:36:51 -0700, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>My mother told me that when they butchered pigs on the farm they would
>>prepare hams and sausage for smoking, but the chops were all fried up
>>at one time. They layered the chops with the pork fat in a barrel
>>that was kept in a cold place. They ate from the barrel all winter.
>>Janet US
>
>
>Pork confit!
>
>Boron
LOL I hadn't thought of it that way!
Janet US

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>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>
>>Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
>>little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also wouldn't
>>have baked a casserole the night before.
>
> Bull shit!
=========

That sums it up perfectly.

Cheri

On 12/24/2014 02:30 AM, Ophelia wrote:
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> So, what did people do before fridges?
>

My dad said that when he was in college during the depression, he would
keep milk outside on a shaded window ledge.

Also, in some older houses in San Francisco, there is an architectural
feature called a "San Francisco Refrigerator" that consists of a lined
box through an outside wall. Screened on the outside and a simple door
on the inside. Since San Francisco enjoys an eternal spring-like
climate, it was usually cool enough to retard spoilage. In another
approach, the pantry might be placed on an outside wall with a screened
window that could be left open, chilling the entire room.

On 12/24/2014 12:03 PM, wrote:

> My grandmother only had a pantry, ice box indeed !
>
My granny's pantry had a mesh box sticking out from the north side. Food
was put in there, and draped with damp towels. The mesh kept the
critters off, and the breeze on the damp towels cooled the food. She
didn't get an electric refrigerator until the late 1960s.

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>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>
>
> My dad said that when he was in college during the depression, he would
> keep milk outside on a shaded window ledge.

I can remember my mother making jelly/jello and putting it out on the window
ledge to set)



> Also, in some older houses in San Francisco, there is an architectural
> feature called a "San Francisco Refrigerator" that consists of a lined box
> through an outside wall. Screened on the outside and a simple door on the
> inside. Since San Francisco enjoys an eternal spring-like climate, it was
> usually cool enough to retard spoilage. In another approach, the pantry
> might be placed on an outside wall with a screened window that could be
> left open, chilling the entire room.

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On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:09:08 -0500, jmcquown >
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>On 12/24/2014 8:13 AM, Ophelia wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>>
>>> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
>>> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also wouldn't
>>> have baked a casserole the night before.
>>
>> They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as they
>> got them.
>> If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?
>>
>> Never mind. Don't bother to answer.
>>
>>
>Catching on, are you? Heh.

Possibly a case of do as I say and not as I do now

On 2014-12-24, > wrote:

> She also had a wonderful old Aga, I would kill for one of those, never
> going to happen though.

For those, like myself, have zero clue as to what an "Aga" is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker

Sez he "they are still made today...."

http://www.rangemaster.co.uk/

.....but it looks like they've all gone modern.

I can see why you might like the ceramic covered cast iron
wood-burners. Waaaay cool.

nb

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:07:29 -0400, wrote:

>She also had a wonderful old Aga, I would kill for one of those, never
>going to happen though.

Beautiful stoves, the Aga. I know of a couple of really old ones here
still going strong. You can still buy new Agas.

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:17:31 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/24/2014 5:30 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/di...anted=all&_r=0
>>
>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>
>Many years ago I posted about a woman I worked with who grew up on her
>grandparents farm. At sunup it was time to make breakfast for the
>family. Immediately after breakfast (dishes and cooking pots washed) it
>was time to start lunch. Her example was fried chicken, potatoes,
>vegetables from the garden, more biscuits or fresh bread with butter.
>The guys didn't always come in from tending the livestock and the fields
>for a couple of hours. She said her grandmother just set the food on
>the table and covered it with a cloth. The food often sat there for a
>couple of hours before they finally sat down to eat. Amazing they survived.

Honestly Jill, it would have been perfectly fine. As you said, nobody
got sick. Nothing amazing about that at all. Everyone here where I
live do things like that all the time. I do it all the time. Nobody
ever gets sick... ever. I'm sure we have the same bacteria here as
you do there

Of course it's good to be mindful of hygiene etc, but
in my opinion this two hour business is excessively and needlessly
over the top, and as far as I know, you won't hear anything like that
from anyone outside the U.S.

On 24 Dec 2014 20:46:41 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>I can see why you might like the ceramic covered cast iron
>wood-burners. Waaaay cool.

Where I live there are still quite a few absolutely beautiful wood
stoves that are still in good condition, even though some are pushing
a century old now. Mind you, most all of those left in good condition
are quite massive and use very heavy cast iron, designed to cook for
large numbers of people - but such things of beauty and the
workmanship is excellent.

On 2014-12-24, Jeßus > wrote:

> large numbers of people - but such things of beauty and the
> workmanship is excellent.

Yes. Ceramic cast iron stoves/heaters/inserts are way cool. If I
should be lucky enough to inherit my mom's home, I will put in a
pellet or wood stove for Winter heating. I have a friend who is a
master salvager of old home things, so maybe he can find me a ceramic
stove.

nb

On 24 Dec 2014 20:46:41 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2014-12-24, > wrote:
>
>> She also had a wonderful old Aga, I would kill for one of those, never
>> going to happen though.
>
>For those, like myself, have zero clue as to what an "Aga" is:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker
>
>Sez he "they are still made today...."
>
>http://www.rangemaster.co.uk/
>
>....but it looks like they've all gone modern.
>
>I can see why you might like the ceramic covered cast iron
>wood-burners. Waaaay cool.
>
>nb

It would only be practical here a few months of the year, but they are
a nifty piece of equipment. We have a Vermont Castings wood burning
stove in the family room and in the winter, we cook pot roast and
stews on it. I also like to open the doors and grill a steak. The
Aga is very classy though.

On 24 Dec 2014 21:10:45 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2014-12-24, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> large numbers of people - but such things of beauty and the
>> workmanship is excellent.
>
>Yes. Ceramic cast iron stoves/heaters/inserts are way cool. If I
>should be lucky enough to inherit my mom's home, I will put in a
>pellet or wood stove for Winter heating. I have a friend who is a
>master salvager of old home things, so maybe he can find me a ceramic
>stove.

I hope you get your wish notbob, good that you have a friend in that
line of business, very handy!

On 12/24/2014 3:57 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:17:31 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/24/2014 5:30 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/di...anted=all&_r=0
>>>
>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>>
>> Many years ago I posted about a woman I worked with who grew up on her
>> grandparents farm. At sunup it was time to make breakfast for the
>> family. Immediately after breakfast (dishes and cooking pots washed) it
>> was time to start lunch. Her example was fried chicken, potatoes,
>> vegetables from the garden, more biscuits or fresh bread with butter.
>> The guys didn't always come in from tending the livestock and the fields
>> for a couple of hours. She said her grandmother just set the food on
>> the table and covered it with a cloth. The food often sat there for a
>> couple of hours before they finally sat down to eat. Amazing they survived.
>
> Honestly Jill, it would have been perfectly fine.

Honestly, JeBus, I was agreeing with you. Of *course* no one got sick.
People never used to rush hot food right into the refrigerator (or ice
box, whatever). They weren't paranoid about it. Oh dear, 2 hours,
chill it or throw it out! Nope.

> As you said, nobody
> got sick. Nothing amazing about that at all. Everyone here where I
> live do things like that all the time. I do it all the time. Nobody
> ever gets sick... ever. I'm sure we have the same bacteria here as
> you do there
>
> Of course it's good to be mindful of hygiene etc, but
> in my opinion this two hour business is excessively and needlessly
> over the top, and as far as I know, you won't hear anything like that
> from anyone outside the U.S.
>
I don't pay strict attention to those rules. My SO always wants to put
anything leftover right into the fridge. What's the rush? Another few
minutes won't matter.

I *do* think the casserole left outside overnight (different thread)
probably warranted throwing out. I don't know a thing about soy milk
but where I live green beans aren't expensive. I'd have made another
casserole rather than take the chance on the one that sat outside for 8
hours or longer at around 13C.

Jill

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>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>
>> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
>> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also wouldn't
>> have baked a casserole the night before.
>
> They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as they got
> them.
> If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?
>
> Never mind. Don't bother to answer.

And those things were kept hot! So not the same thing at all.

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>>>>
>>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>>
>>> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
>>> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also
>>> wouldn't
>>> have baked a casserole the night before.
>>
>> They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as they
>> got them.
>> If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?
>>
>> Never mind. Don't bother to answer.
>>
>>
> Catching on, are you? Heh.

How in the world is that the same thing? Keeping something on the fire is
keeping it hot. It's not sitting there at room temp.

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>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/di...anted=all&_r=0
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>>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>>
>>>Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
>>>little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also wouldn't
>>>have baked a casserole the night before.
>>
>> Bull shit!
> =========
>
> That sums it up perfectly.

Well, no. I have read quite a few books on food history in this country and
others and that is exactly what they did.

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>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/di...anted=all&_r=0
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>>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>>
>>> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
>>> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also
>>> wouldn't
>>> have baked a casserole the night before.
>>
>> They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as they
>> got them.
>> If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?
>>
>> Never mind. Don't bother to answer.
>
> And those things were kept hot! So not the same thing at all.

Nonsense! As Lucretia pointed out, our grandparents put the food on a slate
in the pantry and it stayed there until it was needed! I guess you didn't
read the right books, or are you turning into a know it all now?

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>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/di...anted=all&_r=0
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>>>
>>>> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
>>>> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> have baked a casserole the night before.
>>>
>>> They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as they
>>> got them.
>>> If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?
>>>
>>> Never mind. Don't bother to answer.
>>
>> And those things were kept hot! So not the same thing at all.
>
> Nonsense! As Lucretia pointed out, our grandparents put the food on a
> slate
> in the pantry and it stayed there until it was needed! I guess you didn't
> read the right books, or are you turning into a know it all now?

Well, you're turning quite nasty! I don't claim to be an expert on
anything. I have no clue what a slate is and none of the books I read where
the pot was kept hot mentioned a pantry. The books that I read said that a
pot was kept simmering on the stove or over the fire. I did read books
where a pantry was mentioned but there was no mention of putting leftovers
in it. I did see mention where a food that needed to be kept cool and was
purchased ahead of time was put in some certain area to keep it cooler than
it would be in the house.

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>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/di...anted=all&_r=0
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>>>>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
>>>>> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> have baked a casserole the night before.
>>>>
>>>> They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as they
>>>> got them.
>>>> If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?
>>>>
>>>> Never mind. Don't bother to answer.
>>>
>>> And those things were kept hot! So not the same thing at all.
>>
>> Nonsense! As Lucretia pointed out, our grandparents put the food on a
>> slate
>> in the pantry and it stayed there until it was needed! I guess you
>> didn't read the right books, or are you turning into a know it all now?
>
> Well, you're turning quite nasty!

Do you think so? Why, because I question what you say?

I am sorry you don't like that but what you are saying is just wrong. I
and others have had that experience with our grandparents.

I don't claim to be an expert on
> anything. I have no clue what a slate is and none of the books I read
> where the pot was kept hot mentioned a pantry. The books that I read said
> that a pot was kept simmering on the stove or over the fire. I did read
> books where a pantry was mentioned but there was no mention of putting
> leftovers in it. I did see mention where a food that needed to be kept
> cool and was purchased ahead of time was put in some certain area to keep
> it cooler than it would be in the house.

So what you are saying is, if it wasn't in those books it can't be true?

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>>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/di...anted=all&_r=0
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>>>>>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also
>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> have baked a casserole the night before.
>>>>>
>>>>> They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as they
>>>>> got them.
>>>>> If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Never mind. Don't bother to answer.
>>>>
>>>> And those things were kept hot! So not the same thing at all.
>>>
>>> Nonsense! As Lucretia pointed out, our grandparents put the food on a
>>> slate
>>> in the pantry and it stayed there until it was needed! I guess you
>>> didn't read the right books, or are you turning into a know it all now?
>>
>> Well, you're turning quite nasty!
>
> Do you think so? Why, because I question what you say?
>
> I am sorry you don't like that but what you are saying is just wrong. I
> and others have had that experience with our grandparents.

Well, you may have. I did not have that experience at all.
>
> I don't claim to be an expert on
>> anything. I have no clue what a slate is and none of the books I read
>> where the pot was kept hot mentioned a pantry. The books that I read
>> said that a pot was kept simmering on the stove or over the fire. I did
>> read books where a pantry was mentioned but there was no mention of
>> putting leftovers in it. I did see mention where a food that needed to
>> be kept cool and was purchased ahead of time was put in some certain area
>> to keep it cooler than it would be in the house.
>
> So what you are saying is, if it wasn't in those books it can't be true?

*shakes head* I didn't say anything of the sort. But... While it is
interesting to me to know what they did in the old days, most of that has no
bearing on my life today. Especially when it comes to food and food safety.
We know a lot of things now that they didn't know back then.

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>>>>>>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also
>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>> have baked a casserole the night before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> got them.
>>>>>> If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never mind. Don't bother to answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> And those things were kept hot! So not the same thing at all.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense! As Lucretia pointed out, our grandparents put the food on a
>>>> slate
>>>> in the pantry and it stayed there until it was needed! I guess you
>>>> didn't read the right books, or are you turning into a know it all now?
>>>
>>> Well, you're turning quite nasty!
>>
>> Do you think so? Why, because I question what you say?
>>
>> I am sorry you don't like that but what you are saying is just wrong. I
>> and others have had that experience with our grandparents.
>
> Well, you may have. I did not have that experience at all.
>>
>> I don't claim to be an expert on
>>> anything. I have no clue what a slate is and none of the books I read
>>> where the pot was kept hot mentioned a pantry. The books that I read
>>> said that a pot was kept simmering on the stove or over the fire. I did
>>> read books where a pantry was mentioned but there was no mention of
>>> putting leftovers in it. I did see mention where a food that needed to
>>> be kept cool and was purchased ahead of time was put in some certain
>>> area to keep it cooler than it would be in the house.
>>
>> So what you are saying is, if it wasn't in those books it can't be true?
>
> *shakes head* I didn't say anything of the sort. But... While it is
> interesting to me to know what they did in the old days, most of that has
> no bearing on my life today. Especially when it comes to food and food
> safety. We know a lot of things now that they didn't know back then.

Fine, but just don't argue that it never happened. You don't always know
best and as you can see, we did survive!

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> >>>>> So, what did people do before fridges?
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I wasn't alive in those days but from what I have read, they had
> >>>> little shops nearby and they bought things as needed. They also
> >>>> wouldn't
> >>>> have baked a casserole the night before.
> >>>
> >>> They also had pots over the fire continuously and added things as they
> >>> got them.
> >>> If that wasn't cooking in advance, what was it?
> >>>
> >>> Never mind. Don't bother to answer.
> >>
> >> And those things were kept hot! So not the same thing at all.
> >
> > Nonsense! As Lucretia pointed out, our grandparents put the food on a
> > slate
> > in the pantry and it stayed there until it was needed! I guess you didn't
> > read the right books, or are you turning into a know it all now?
>
> Well, you're turning quite nasty! I don't claim to be an expert on
> anything. I have no clue what a slate is and none of the books I read where
> the pot was kept hot mentioned a pantry. The books that I read said that a
> pot was kept simmering on the stove or over the fire. I did read books
> where a pantry was mentioned but there was no mention of putting leftovers
> in it. I did see mention where a food that needed to be kept cool and was
> purchased ahead of time was put in some certain area to keep it cooler than
> it would be in the house.

Seems like Ophewia doesn't wuv Juwie anymore. Poor Juwie.

--Bryan