Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no longer
sell services to anyone outside Germany.

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php


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On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>
> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>
>
I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer services
outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew my NIN
subscription.

Jill

On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
> > longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
> >
> > https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
> >
> >
> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer services
> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew my NIN
> subscription.
>
> Jill

Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany.

On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 17:51:59 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no longer
>sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>
>https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php

I wonder if it applies to US citizens. I certainly have not received
any notice.
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"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
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On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>
>>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>
>>>
>> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer services
>> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew my NIN
>> subscription.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany.
>
Well now, that sucks. (I did send them an email asking them to confirm.)

Any recommendations for another free Usenet server? Or should I move to
Germany...

Jill

On 12/25/2014 11:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>
> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php

Many years ago, I used NIN, and it was free at the time, then they
started charging a fee, which was inexpensive. We use NewsGuy and I am
happy with that.

Becca

On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, The Cook wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 17:51:59 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no longer
>> sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>
>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>
> I wonder if it applies to US citizens. I certainly have not received
> any notice.
>
NIN is pretty good about communicating changes. I sent them an email
asking for clarification.

Jill

On 12/25/2014 1:11 PM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
> On 12/25/2014 11:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>
>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>
> Many years ago, I used NIN, and it was free at the time, then they
> started charging a fee, which was inexpensive. We use NewsGuy and I am
> happy with that.
>
> Becca
>
The fee is worth it. Their support people are great. Got a problem or
a question? Very quick email replies with detailed answers written
clearly and concisely.

Jill

"Becca EmaNymton" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/25/2014 11:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>
>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>
> Many years ago, I used NIN, and it was free at the time, then they started
> charging a fee, which was inexpensive. We use NewsGuy and I am happy with
> that.


Becca, please tell me about NewsGuy? I use ES but have always kept up NIN
too because ES seems to blip from time to time.. I have only recently
renewed my subscription. All the time it was free eh, but I still thought
it was worth the tiny cost to keep it going.



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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 17:51:59 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no longer
>>sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>
>>https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>
> How uneuropean.

It is rather

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On Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:11:38 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
> >>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
> >>>
> >>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer services
> >> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew my NIN
> >> subscription.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany.
> >
> Well now, that sucks. (I did send them an email asking them to confirm.)
>
> Any recommendations for another free Usenet server? Or should I move to
> Germany...
>
You should move to Germany, and don't worry about having to give up your
favorite hobby of complaining about the food at the club, because there is
plenty of bad food in Germany.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>
>>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>
>>>
>> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer services
>> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew my NIN
>> subscription.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany.
>
According to this email just received from NIN:

"We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there were
going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
regulations which will make providing digital services to Europeans
unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way to
address them. We don't need to know their residential address, social
security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that way."

Jill

On 12/25/2014 1:20 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 13:10:39 -0500, The Cook wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 17:51:59 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no longer
>>> sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>
>>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>
>> I wonder if it applies to US citizens. I certainly have not received
>> any notice.
>
> I suspect your subscriptions are still good up to until they expire.
>
> Of course they could go back to doing what they were doing before -
> about 10 years ago: Give away their service for free.
>
> Otherwise there's eternal-september.com. Or buy a block account for
> $3 or less at Blocknews or Usenet-News (or pay more at Astraweb). The
> one time small fee will last you a lifetime.
>
> -sw
>

I bought a $10 account at Astraweb in 2005. It was for 10GB and I still
have 9GB left. That $10 will last me my whole life.

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On Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:07:58 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
> >>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
> >>>
> >>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer services
> >> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew my NIN
> >> subscription.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany.
> >
> According to this email just received from NIN:
>
> "We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there were
> going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
> regulations which will make providing digital services to Europeans
> unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
> address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way to
> address them. We don't need to know their residential address, social
> security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that way."
>

So no problem for non-Europeans, I gather.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:08:34 -0800 (PST),
> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:07:58 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>> > On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>> >> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> >>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>>> >>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer services
>>> >> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew my
>>> >> NIN
>>> >> subscription.
>>> >>
>>> >> Jill
>>> >
>>> > Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
>>> > can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
>>> > Germany.
>>> >
>>> According to this email just received from NIN:
>>>
>>> "We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there were
>>> going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
>>> regulations which will make providing digital services to Europeans
>>> unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
>>> address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way to
>>> address them. We don't need to know their residential address, social
>>> security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that way."
>>>
>>
>>So no problem for non-Europeans, I gather.
>
> Or non-EUans.

I just extended until June 2016! Easy)



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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:58:35 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:08:34 -0800 (PST),
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:07:58 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>>>> > On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> >> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> >>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will
>>>>> >>> no
>>>>> >>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer
>>>>> >> services
>>>>> >> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew
>>>>> >> my
>>>>> >> NIN
>>>>> >> subscription.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jill
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015,
>>>>> > we
>>>>> > can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
>>>>> > Germany.
>>>>> >
>>>>> According to this email just received from NIN:
>>>>>
>>>>> "We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there were
>>>>> going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
>>>>> regulations which will make providing digital services to Europeans
>>>>> unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
>>>>> address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way to
>>>>> address them. We don't need to know their residential address, social
>>>>> security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that way."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So no problem for non-Europeans, I gather.
>>>
>>> Or non-EUans.
>>
>>I just extended until June 2016! Easy)
>
> Good timing

Not sure if it will continue after that though. Fingers crossed eh? )


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"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>
>>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>
>>>
>> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer services
>> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew my NIN
>> subscription.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we can
> only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany.
>
According to this email just received from NIN:

"We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there were
going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
regulations which will make providing digital services to Europeans
unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way to
address them. We don't need to know their residential address, social
security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that way."

Jill

~~~~~~~
That's great, as long as it works out as described in their email. I'm
wondering what to use if the "forces of law" requires NIN to abandon those
who do not live in Germany. The sentence about "changes in European tax
law" certainly sounds like it could be a problem.

MaryL

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:35:05 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:58:35 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:08:34 -0800 (PST),
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:07:58 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>> > On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> >> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will
>>>>>>> >>> no
>>>>>>> >>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer
>>>>>>> >> services
>>>>>>> >> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew
>>>>>>> >> my
>>>>>>> >> NIN
>>>>>>> >> subscription.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Jill
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on
>>>>>>> > 01.01.2015,
>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>> > can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile
>>>>>>> > in
>>>>>>> > Germany.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> According to this email just received from NIN:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
>>>>>>> regulations which will make providing digital services to Europeans
>>>>>>> unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
>>>>>>> address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way to
>>>>>>> address them. We don't need to know their residential address,
>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>> security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that
>>>>>>> way."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So no problem for non-Europeans, I gather.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or non-EUans.
>>>>
>>>>I just extended until June 2016! Easy)
>>>
>>> Good timing
>>
>>Not sure if it will continue after that though. Fingers crossed eh? )
>
> I think so, since you paid for it before 1-1-2015.

You think it will continue?

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"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>
> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>>>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>>
>>>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer services
>>> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew my NIN
>>> subscription.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
>> can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
>> Germany.
>>
> According to this email just received from NIN:
>
> "We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there were
> going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
> regulations which will make providing digital services to Europeans
> unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
> address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way to
> address them. We don't need to know their residential address, social
> security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that way."
>
> Jill
>
> ~~~~~~~
> That's great, as long as it works out as described in their email. I'm
> wondering what to use if the "forces of law" requires NIN to abandon those
> who do not live in Germany. The sentence about "changes in European tax
> law" certainly sounds like it could be a problem.

Mary, I went into my account and the option was there. Have a look and see
what it says in your account.

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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:20:54 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:35:05 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:58:35 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:fcsp9ap9h1jh15qqso0c3nopab50b8vss4@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:08:34 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:07:58 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net
>>>>>>>>> >>> will
>>>>>>>>> >>> no
>>>>>>>>> >>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer
>>>>>>>>> >> services
>>>>>>>>> >> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to
>>>>>>>>> >> renew
>>>>>>>>> >> my
>>>>>>>>> >> NIN
>>>>>>>>> >> subscription.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Jill
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on
>>>>>>>>> > 01.01.2015,
>>>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>>>> > can only offer our service to users which have their tax
>>>>>>>>> > domicile
>>>>>>>>> > in
>>>>>>>>> > Germany.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> According to this email just received from NIN:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
>>>>>>>>> regulations which will make providing digital services to
>>>>>>>>> Europeans
>>>>>>>>> unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
>>>>>>>>> address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way to
>>>>>>>>> address them. We don't need to know their residential address,
>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>> security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that
>>>>>>>>> way."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So no problem for non-Europeans, I gather.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or non-EUans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I just extended until June 2016! Easy)
>>>>>
>>>>> Good timing
>>>>
>>>>Not sure if it will continue after that though. Fingers crossed eh? )
>>>
>>> I think so, since you paid for it before 1-1-2015.
>>
>>You think it will continue?
>
> Yes, they only have a problem with the payment, not with delivering
> the service. And since you paid before the tax regulations change...

Ahh yes, I meant after June 2016.

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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:20:54 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:35:05 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:58:35 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:fcsp9ap9h1jh15qqso0c3nopab50b8vss4@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:08:34 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:07:58 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net
>>>>>>>>> >>> will
>>>>>>>>> >>> no
>>>>>>>>> >>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer
>>>>>>>>> >> services
>>>>>>>>> >> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to
>>>>>>>>> >> renew
>>>>>>>>> >> my
>>>>>>>>> >> NIN
>>>>>>>>> >> subscription.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Jill
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on
>>>>>>>>> > 01.01.2015,
>>>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>>>> > can only offer our service to users which have their tax
>>>>>>>>> > domicile
>>>>>>>>> > in
>>>>>>>>> > Germany.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> According to this email just received from NIN:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
>>>>>>>>> regulations which will make providing digital services to
>>>>>>>>> Europeans
>>>>>>>>> unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
>>>>>>>>> address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way to
>>>>>>>>> address them. We don't need to know their residential address,
>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>> security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that
>>>>>>>>> way."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So no problem for non-Europeans, I gather.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or non-EUans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I just extended until June 2016! Easy)
>>>>>
>>>>> Good timing
>>>>
>>>>Not sure if it will continue after that though. Fingers crossed eh? )
>>>
>>> I think so, since you paid for it before 1-1-2015.
>>
>>You think it will continue?
>
> Yes, they only have a problem with the payment, not with delivering
> the service. And since you paid before the tax regulations change...

I think I am not being clear. I meant do you think I will be able to
continue after 2016?


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On 12/26/2014 5:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:20:54 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:35:05 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:58:35 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:08:34 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:07:58 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015,
>>>>>>>>>> News.Individual.Net >>> will
>>>>>>>>>> >>> no
>>>>>>>>>> >>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer
>>>>>>>>>> >> services
>>>>>>>>>> >> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to
>>>>>>>>>> >> renew
>>>>>>>>>> >> my
>>>>>>>>>> >> NIN
>>>>>>>>>> >> subscription.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Jill
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on
>>>>>>>>>> > 01.01.2015,
>>>>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>>>>> > can only offer our service to users which have their tax >
>>>>>>>>>> domicile
>>>>>>>>>> > in
>>>>>>>>>> > Germany.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> According to this email just received from NIN:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there
>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>> going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
>>>>>>>>>> regulations which will make providing digital services to
>>>>>>>>>> Europeans
>>>>>>>>>> unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
>>>>>>>>>> address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a
>>>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>>>> address them. We don't need to know their residential address,
>>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>>> security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that
>>>>>>>>>> way."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So no problem for non-Europeans, I gather.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or non-EUans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just extended until June 2016! Easy)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good timing
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if it will continue after that though. Fingers crossed
>>>>> eh? )
>>>>
>>>> I think so, since you paid for it before 1-1-2015.
>>>
>>> You think it will continue?
>>
>> Yes, they only have a problem with the payment, not with delivering
>> the service. And since you paid before the tax regulations change...
>
> I think I am not being clear. I meant do you think I will be able to
> continue after 2016?
>
>
Why not email NIN and ask them?

Jill

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:20:54 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:35:05 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:58:35 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:fcsp9ap9h1jh15qqso0c3nopab50b8vss4@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 20:08:34 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:07:58 PM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net
>>>>>>>>>> >>> will
>>>>>>>>>> >>> no
>>>>>>>>>> >>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer
>>>>>>>>>> >> services
>>>>>>>>>> >> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to
>>>>>>>>>> >> renew
>>>>>>>>>> >> my
>>>>>>>>>> >> NIN
>>>>>>>>>> >> subscription.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Jill
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on
>>>>>>>>>> > 01.01.2015,
>>>>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>>>>> > can only offer our service to users which have their tax
>>>>>>>>>> > domicile
>>>>>>>>>> > in
>>>>>>>>>> > Germany.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> According to this email just received from NIN:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there
>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>> going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
>>>>>>>>>> regulations which will make providing digital services to
>>>>>>>>>> Europeans
>>>>>>>>>> unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
>>>>>>>>>> address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> address them. We don't need to know their residential address,
>>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>>> security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that
>>>>>>>>>> way."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So no problem for non-Europeans, I gather.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or non-EUans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just extended until June 2016! Easy)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good timing
>>>>>
>>>>>Not sure if it will continue after that though. Fingers crossed eh?
>>>>>)
>>>>
>>>> I think so, since you paid for it before 1-1-2015.
>>>
>>>You think it will continue?
>>
>> Yes, they only have a problem with the payment, not with delivering
>> the service. And since you paid before the tax regulations change...
>
> I think I am not being clear. I meant do you think I will be able to
> continue after 2016?

Whoa I just went back in and I am now on until 24 June 2017

Hmm I wonder how many times I can do this?? ) Do you suppose the Uni has
found a loophole?

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"Ophelia" wrote in message ...



"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "jmcquown" wrote in message ...
>
> On 12/25/2014 1:10 PM, wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:05:36 AM UTC-8, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 12/25/2014 12:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>>>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>>
>>>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't see anything in that link that says they won't offer services
>>> outside of Germany. It's the same link I go to annually to renew my NIN
>>> subscription.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
>> can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
>> Germany.
>>
> According to this email just received from NIN:
>
> "We'd certainly write an email to all affected customers if there were
> going to be tangible changes. There are changes to European VAT
> regulations which will make providing digital services to Europeans
> unnecessarily bureaucratic. At NIN, we ask our users for an email
> address to e.g. send a password to, and a name so we have a way to
> address them. We don't need to know their residential address, social
> security number, or tax domicile. And we'd like to keep it that way."
>
> Jill
>
> ~~~~~~~
> That's great, as long as it works out as described in their email. I'm
> wondering what to use if the "forces of law" requires NIN to abandon those
> who do not live in Germany. The sentence about "changes in European tax
> law" certainly sounds like it could be a problem.

Mary, I went into my account and the option was there. Have a look and see
what it says in your account.


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~~~~~~~
Okay, thanks. I will do that.

MaryL

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:29:02 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:20:54 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:35:05 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:5bfr9a5324l0s4u4p0ujviu8jqtoki7sq3@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:58:35 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So no problem for non-Europeans, I gather.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or non-EUans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I just extended until June 2016! Easy)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good timing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not sure if it will continue after that though. Fingers crossed eh?
>>>>>>)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think so, since you paid for it before 1-1-2015.
>>>>
>>>>You think it will continue?
>>>
>>> Yes, they only have a problem with the payment, not with delivering
>>> the service. And since you paid before the tax regulations change...
>>
>>I think I am not being clear. I meant do you think I will be able to
>>continue after 2016?
>
> Yes, I understood, be it a bit slowly

Ahhh. I think you are probably right. See this:

Some one in another group reported this response on mailing NIN for
information:

"at news.individual.net, we don't collect information on a user's
residential address, tax domicile, social security number and so on. We
need an email address to get in touch and e.g. send a password to, and
we like to have a name so we know how to address or refer to people. And
we'd like to keep it that way.

The new European VAT regulations mean a lot more bureaucracy for
providers of digital services. We hope for a workable solution in the
medium term, and until then, try to keep providing our service as it
stands, as far as possible. If we should be forced to make more tangible
changes in the future, we would notify all affected users individually
via email."





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On 12/25/2014 2:26 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Becca EmaNymton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 12/25/2014 11:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>
>>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>
>> Many years ago, I used NIN, and it was free at the time, then they
>> started charging a fee, which was inexpensive. We use NewsGuy and I am
>> happy with that.
>
>
> Becca, please tell me about NewsGuy? I use ES but have always kept up
> NIN too because ES seems to blip from time to time.. I have only
> recently renewed my subscription. All the time it was free eh, but I
> still thought it was worth the tiny cost to keep it going.

Sorry this took so long. After we had Christmas dinner, George and I
took off to visit San Antonio for a couple of days.

You can choose whatever plan at NewsGuy that would suit your needs. It
is not very expensive.

http://www.newsguy.com/overview.htm

Becca

"Becca EmaNymton" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/25/2014 2:26 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Becca EmaNymton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/25/2014 11:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>>>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>>
>>>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>
>>> Many years ago, I used NIN, and it was free at the time, then they
>>> started charging a fee, which was inexpensive. We use NewsGuy and I am
>>> happy with that.
>>
>>
>> Becca, please tell me about NewsGuy? I use ES but have always kept up
>> NIN too because ES seems to blip from time to time.. I have only
>> recently renewed my subscription. All the time it was free eh, but I
>> still thought it was worth the tiny cost to keep it going.
>
> Sorry this took so long. After we had Christmas dinner, George and I took
> off to visit San Antonio for a couple of days.
>
> You can choose whatever plan at NewsGuy that would suit your needs. It is
> not very expensive.
>
> http://www.newsguy.com/overview.htm

Thanks very much, Becca. I will have a look at it


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"Becca EmaNymton" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/25/2014 2:26 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Becca EmaNymton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/25/2014 11:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> Under new EU law, from the 01.01.2015, News.Individual.Net will no
>>>> longer sell services to anyone outside Germany.
>>>>
>>>> https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php
>>>
>>> Many years ago, I used NIN, and it was free at the time, then they
>>> started charging a fee, which was inexpensive. We use NewsGuy and I am
>>> happy with that.
>>
>>
>> Becca, please tell me about NewsGuy? I use ES but have always kept up
>> NIN too because ES seems to blip from time to time.. I have only
>> recently renewed my subscription. All the time it was free eh, but I
>> still thought it was worth the tiny cost to keep it going.
>
> Sorry this took so long. After we had Christmas dinner, George and I took
> off to visit San Antonio for a couple of days.
>
> You can choose whatever plan at NewsGuy that would suit your needs. It is
> not very expensive.
>
> http://www.newsguy.com/overview.htm
>
> Becca

I love Newsguy, very dependable.

Cheri