"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
> On 29/12/2014 1:24 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>> You guys are a bunch of supercilious food snobs. While the recipe may
>> not appeal to
>> you, there is certainly nothing about it that would kill you or make you
>> sick. But go
>> ahead and keep your extremely discerning nose in the air so you don't
>> ever get exposed
>> to a dish that millions of people make and enjoy.
>>
>> I make a green bean casserole with similar ingredients, but without the
>> condensed
>> soup, and it is very good. The basics make a good dish. Just use fresh
>> ingredients.
>>
>> N.
>>
> I wonder how the recipe would go with these beans;
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3aoagu5
>
> We have 8 plants on a galvanised wire framed trellis and we are picking a
> heap of beans every day. We have had beans up to a yard long. You can
> almost see the blasted things growing.We mainly use them in stir fries but
> it's always interesting to try something new. Apparently you can use these
> anywhere an ordinary green bean can be used.

Blimey! Bruce mentioned these the other day! Those are enormous!!

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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:23:14 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>>On 29/12/2014 1:24 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>> You guys are a bunch of supercilious food snobs. While the recipe may
>>> not appeal to
>>> you, there is certainly nothing about it that would kill you or make you
>>> sick. But go
>>> ahead and keep your extremely discerning nose in the air so you don't
>>> ever get exposed
>>> to a dish that millions of people make and enjoy.
>>>
>>> I make a green bean casserole with similar ingredients, but without the
>>> condensed
>>> soup, and it is very good. The basics make a good dish. Just use fresh
>>> ingredients.
>>>
>>> N.
>>>
>>I wonder how the recipe would go with these beans;
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/3aoagu5
>>
>>We have 8 plants on a galvanised wire framed trellis and we are picking
>>a heap of beans every day. We have had beans up to a yard long. You can
>>almost see the blasted things growing.We mainly use them in stir fries
>>but it's always interesting to try something new. Apparently you can use
>>these anywhere an ordinary green bean can be used.
>
> Are you me?

Is this a mirror I see before me, with it's image shining out?

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On 29/12/2014 10:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Xeno" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 29/12/2014 1:24 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>> You guys are a bunch of supercilious food snobs. While the recipe
>>> may not appeal to
>>> you, there is certainly nothing about it that would kill you or make
>>> you sick. But go
>>> ahead and keep your extremely discerning nose in the air so you don't
>>> ever get exposed
>>> to a dish that millions of people make and enjoy.
>>>
>>> I make a green bean casserole with similar ingredients, but without
>>> the condensed
>>> soup, and it is very good. The basics make a good dish. Just use
>>> fresh ingredients.
>>>
>>> N.
>>>
>> I wonder how the recipe would go with these beans;
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3aoagu5
>>
>> We have 8 plants on a galvanised wire framed trellis and we are
>> picking a heap of beans every day. We have had beans up to a yard
>> long. You can almost see the blasted things growing.We mainly use them
>> in stir fries but it's always interesting to try something new.
>> Apparently you can use these anywhere an ordinary green bean can be used.
>
> Blimey! Bruce mentioned these the other day! Those are enormous!!
>
They are indeed! ;-)

Ours range between 2 and 3 feet long. Apparently you can leave them
longer and they will possibly grow even more but the flavour goes off.
There is the possibility they will go to seed. By that I mean they will
dry up and brown off on the plant. Then we dry them for seeds for the
next season.

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To clarify what people are quoting, I DID NOT POST ANY RECIPE. I just commented
on the one that was posted. ;-))

N.

On 2014-12-29 1:23 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:13:25 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> Frozen green beans are nowhere near as good as fresh, and canned beans
>> are just plain awful.
>
> Having used fresh beans last year and the very same type of bean, only
> frozen, this year - my family and I have decided frozen is the way to
> go. I, for one, don't want to be preparing fresh beans when I only
> need to open a package of frozen. Aren't you one of the people who
> say they don't make green bean casserole? If so, then you wouldn't
> know that frozen beans work very well.
>

My gosh you have a way of confusing yourself. I was talking about fresh
green beans being better than frozen. I don't make this casserole for
myself, but I did post here that I had made it and that it was
surprisingly good.

On 2014-12-29 9:25 AM, wrote:

>> You don't like calf slobber??
>
> Calf slobber says you have never eaten true meringue - now that's not
> the stuff erroneously called meringue on top of lemon pie, we are
> talking meringue as in Pavlova.
>
Now you have me confused. There are at least two types of meringue.
There is meringue topping and there is meringue shells. My wife makes
them frequently. They are light and crispy and great with ice cream or
whipping cream with sauces or fresh fruit. My understanding is that
Pavlova is a variation of meringue, but it is has some vinegar added and
that gives is a softer interior.

"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
> On 29/12/2014 10:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Xeno" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 29/12/2014 1:24 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>> You guys are a bunch of supercilious food snobs. While the recipe
>>>> may not appeal to
>>>> you, there is certainly nothing about it that would kill you or make
>>>> you sick. But go
>>>> ahead and keep your extremely discerning nose in the air so you don't
>>>> ever get exposed
>>>> to a dish that millions of people make and enjoy.
>>>>
>>>> I make a green bean casserole with similar ingredients, but without
>>>> the condensed
>>>> soup, and it is very good. The basics make a good dish. Just use
>>>> fresh ingredients.
>>>>
>>>> N.
>>>>
>>> I wonder how the recipe would go with these beans;
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3aoagu5
>>>
>>> We have 8 plants on a galvanised wire framed trellis and we are
>>> picking a heap of beans every day. We have had beans up to a yard
>>> long. You can almost see the blasted things growing.We mainly use them
>>> in stir fries but it's always interesting to try something new.
>>> Apparently you can use these anywhere an ordinary green bean can be
>>> used.
>>
>> Blimey! Bruce mentioned these the other day! Those are enormous!!
>>
> They are indeed! ;-)
>
> Ours range between 2 and 3 feet long. Apparently you can leave them longer
> and they will possibly grow even more but the flavour goes off. There is
> the possibility they will go to seed. By that I mean they will dry up and
> brown off on the plant. Then we dry them for seeds for the next season.

I hope you have plenty of land to sow all the seeds you are likely to
get)))


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On 2014-12-28, Dave Smith > wrote:

> Frozen green beans are nowhere near as good as fresh, and canned beans
> are just plain awful.

It depends on where the grn beans are canned.

When I worked in a cannery, we had luscious Blue Lake g/b's. They
were picked in the morning and within three hours after harvesting,
they were in a can with nothing more than salt and water. How do you
cook grn beans?

Besides, good grn beans are one of the few veggies that do not turn to
mush when canned. When you DO get mushy canned grn beans, it's
usually cuz an inferior type grn bean was processed.

nb

Dave Smith wrote:
>
>Frozen green beans are nowhere near as good as fresh.

Depends, useage and brand. I use frozen green beans in stir frys, not
defrosted and they turn out perfect, better than raw home growns...
and if you stick to the premium brands they are excellent. Sam's Club
sells their house brand in four pound bags, small whole grean beans,
perfect for stir fry. I enjoy them in a spicey oriental sauce:
http://i57.tinypic.com/30a54wm.jpg
I grow a lot of green beans too but it's a lot of labor to pick out
just teh small ones, it's much easier to find the larger ones... I
like to eat the home growns marinated.

On Monday, December 29, 2014 8:00:57 AM UTC-8, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >Frozen green beans are nowhere near as good as fresh.
>
> Depends, useage and brand. I use frozen green beans in stir frys, not
> defrosted and they turn out perfect, better than raw home growns...
> and if you stick to the premium brands they are excellent. Sam's Club
> sells their house brand in four pound bags, small whole grean beans,
> perfect for stir fry. I enjoy them in a spicey oriental sauce:
> http://i57.tinypic.com/30a54wm.jpg
> I grow a lot of green beans too but it's a lot of labor to pick out
> just teh small ones, it's much easier to find the larger ones... I
> like to eat the home growns marinated.

By us Target has the cheapest frozen vegetables. I keep a bag of frozen
green beans around to toss in, when I assemble chicken soup.

On 29/12/2014 7:11 AM, wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:59:05 -0500, Doris Night
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:59:20 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:40:09 -0500, Doris Night
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I absolutely *love* Pavlova. What's not to like about gooey meringue
>>>> shells,
>>>
>>> Just the description sent a shiver up my spine and turned my stomach
>>> into a knot. Gooey egg white? Ugh. I can't stand French macaroons
>>> either but at least that egg white is cooked all the way through.
>>
>> Maybe "gooey" wasn't the best choice of words. :-) You have to bake
>> the meringue for quite a long time at a low temp, and it should turn
>> out a bit like marshmallow.
>>
>> I won't eat egg whites that aren't cooked all the way through, either.
>> That pretty much rules out poached, boiled, or scrambled eggs that
>> somebody else cooks for me. (Except my husband. He has boiled eggs
>> down to an art form.)
>>
>> Doris
>
> I have been cooking boiled eggs with the method mentioned here (I
> think) half an inch boiling water, add eggs, put lid on. Continue
> boiling six minutes. Drain water, let cold tap run over them for 30
> seconds then serve.
>
> I am using extra large eggs and like them soft boiled but with white
> set, this does it perfectly every time. After I first tried it I had
> a boiled egg for lunch for about a week it was such a novelty
>
> As to the meringues, for somebody who doesn't eat them and never tried
> them or made them, I find sfs comments ludicrous. My baby grandson
> was home for Xmas and I made him dozens of little meringues, one of
> his favourite things, I find I don't need sf's blessing on what I
> make!!
>
I now make them with Italian meringue leftover from making macarons.
I pipe them using a star nozzle.
Graham

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:53:51 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:40:09 -0500, Doris Night
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I absolutely *love* Pavlova. What's not to like about gooey meringue
>>>> >> shells,
>>>> >
>>>> > Just the description sent a shiver up my spine and turned my stomach
>>>> > into a knot. Gooey egg white? Ugh. I can't stand French macaroons
>>>> > either but at least that egg white is cooked all the way through.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pavlova is a crisp meringue filled with whipped cream and fruit. As
>>>> far as
>>>> I know that is.
>>>>
>>> That was my original concept until she threw "gooey" into the mix.
>>> <shudder> It doesn't matter. I don't like meringue.
>>
>>
>> I can't eat raw egg whites but I love meringue even soft like with a
>> lemon pie. I remember having Pavlova served at a fancy restaurant once.
>> They made meringue swans and the hollow body was filled with custard and
>> fresh berries with whipped cream then topped with the neck of the swan
>> which the beak was dipped in chocolate and it had chocolate eyes as well.
>> It was really special. They even made meringue wings.
>
> Sounds wonderful) Incidentally, the egg whites can't be raw because the
> meringue is cooked!!

Right. It is like a cookie.





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On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:11:13 -0400, wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 18:59:05 -0500, Doris Night
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:59:20 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:40:09 -0500, Doris Night
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I absolutely *love* Pavlova. What's not to like about gooey meringue
>>>> shells,
>>>
>>>Just the description sent a shiver up my spine and turned my stomach
>>>into a knot. Gooey egg white? Ugh. I can't stand French macaroons
>>>either but at least that egg white is cooked all the way through.
>>
>>Maybe "gooey" wasn't the best choice of words. :-) You have to bake
>>the meringue for quite a long time at a low temp, and it should turn
>>out a bit like marshmallow.
>>
>>I won't eat egg whites that aren't cooked all the way through, either.
>>That pretty much rules out poached, boiled, or scrambled eggs that
>>somebody else cooks for me. (Except my husband. He has boiled eggs
>>down to an art form.)
>>
>>Doris
>
>I have been cooking boiled eggs with the method mentioned here (I
>think) half an inch boiling water, add eggs, put lid on. Continue
>boiling six minutes. Drain water, let cold tap run over them for 30
>seconds then serve.
>
>I am using extra large eggs and like them soft boiled but with white
>set, this does it perfectly every time. After I first tried it I had
>a boiled egg for lunch for about a week it was such a novelty
>
>As to the meringues, for somebody who doesn't eat them and never tried
>them or made them, I find sfs comments ludicrous. My baby grandson
>was home for Xmas and I made him dozens of little meringues, one of
>his favourite things, I find I don't need sf's blessing on what I
>make!!

I sometimes end up with extra egg whites and I make meringues from
them. I use the Betty Crocker recipe from the 1960s cookbook. I love
them.
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 12/28/2014 6:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 12/28/2014 4:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't use deep fat to cook onions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The green bean casserole being discussed uses canned deep fried
>>>>>> onions. For all I know they're also breaded. They're very crumbly
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> thin, not like regular onion rings. Making the equivalent at home
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the purposes of this green bean casserole would require deep frying.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> I believe Ophelia is having difficulty picturing the canned fried
>>>> onions.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.frenchs.com/products/french-fried-onions
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully she doesn't think this is something we're all eating every
>>>> month or even every year with the canned soup and the canned fried
>>>> onions...
>>>>
>>>> It's really only a tradition according to Campbell's.
>>>
>>> Agree. Campbell's puts out a lot of recipes. Some people are very fond
>>> of them. Doesn't mean that we all eat them or if we do, we eat them
>>> often. I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I bought
>>> them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I want to eat them?
>>> Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with them. They taste just
>>> fine. Just not something I'd ever think about eating. They will likely
>>> get tossed out.
>>
>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>
> They cost all of $2.00.

Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in a world
where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you "can" eat fried
onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a person who
has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that they do not care
to consume and then complain about how they cannot afford to eat well.


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On 12/28/2014 4:43 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:40:40 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> I enjoy seeing recipes, methods, shortcuts,
>> etc. but people are attacked at every turn, so they don't post these things
>> as much as they used to, at least it seems that way to me.
>
> I think that's true. I've thought a couple of times, but I have a
> "why bother" attitude. There are cooking groups on Facebook where I
> can post pictures and recipes without a bunch of people who can't cook
> tearing them apart and the participants actually talk about cooking.

If I have time, this afternoon, I will post some food photos on
Facebook, most of the people here are already members of "RFC on
Facbook." To post them, here, I have to upload them to TinyPic or a
website that is similar, plus I have to post them to FB as well, it is
just easier to post them to FB, and you do not have to tolerate any flaming.

Becca

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:11:54 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>
>> They cost all of $2.00.
>
>Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in a world
>where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you "can" eat fried
>onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a person who
>has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that they do not care
>to consume and then complain about how they cannot afford to eat well.

Yep. Julie is well-trained consumer - throws out food for all but
valid reasons. I'll bet she's also good at buying unnecessary non-food
items too, and her garbage bin is full each week with plastic. She is
the very antithesis of how I live.

On Monday, December 29, 2014 8:25:58 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:13:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 28, 2014 5:33:46 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> I can honestly say I've never tasted anything meringue. I have no idea
> >> whether or not I'd like it. I can say I'll likely never attempt to make
> >> it at home. :-D
> >>
> >> Jill
> >>
> >>
> >You don't like calf slobber??
>
> Calf slobber says you have never eaten true meringue - now that's not
> the stuff erroneously called meringue on top of lemon pie, we are
> talking meringue as in Pavlova.
>
>
I was just posting a silly comment back to Jill about meringue and she said she'd never tasted anything meringue. Geez, I wasn't commenting on Pavlova.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:59:57 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:23:14 +1100, Xeno >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 29/12/2014 1:24 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>> You guys are a bunch of supercilious food snobs. While the recipe may
>>>>> not appeal to
>>>>> you, there is certainly nothing about it that would kill you or make
>>>>> you
>>>>> sick. But go
>>>>> ahead and keep your extremely discerning nose in the air so you don't
>>>>> ever get exposed
>>>>> to a dish that millions of people make and enjoy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I make a green bean casserole with similar ingredients, but without
>>>>> the
>>>>> condensed
>>>>> soup, and it is very good. The basics make a good dish. Just use
>>>>> fresh
>>>>> ingredients.
>>>>>
>>>>> N.
>>>>>
>>>>I wonder how the recipe would go with these beans;
>>>>
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/3aoagu5
>>>>
>>>>We have 8 plants on a galvanised wire framed trellis and we are picking
>>>>a heap of beans every day. We have had beans up to a yard long. You can
>>>>almost see the blasted things growing.We mainly use them in stir fries
>>>>but it's always interesting to try something new. Apparently you can use
>>>>these anywhere an ordinary green bean can be used.
>>>
>>> Are you me?
>>
>>Is this a mirror I see before me, with it's image shining out?
>
> Lol, Shakespeare? Alice in Wonderland?

Is this a dagger ... ;-)

Just a little poetic licence ... look in Macbeth <g>


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On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:51:17 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-12-28 5:35 PM, wrote:
>
>>> Frozen green beans are nowhere near as good as fresh, and canned beans
>>> are just plain awful.
>>
>> That is an interesting point you have raised - I've never grown green
>> beans because I thought I didn't like them very much, but maybe I
>> would like smaller and more tender green beans from the garden?
>
>You should try them.

I will!

>They are easy to grow and as long as you keep
>picking them they keep growing back. Go out before supper and pick
>enough young beans for your meal, take them inside, snip the ends off
>and pop them into boiling water until the colour brightens,just a couple
>minutes.
>
>I am picky about beans. If I see nice bright beans at the market I will
>usually buy them. If they are big, have huge seeds, dried out flesh....
>forget it. I won't hate them, but they will be a big disappointment.

Yep. It's doubly hard to accept some market beans or other veg when
you're used to the freshness of home grown.


>> Much like I really prefer young broad beans (fava beans) over more
>> mature ones...
>>
>> Right now I have lots of snow peas in the garden. I never get tired of
>> them, so crisp, delicate and delicious.
>>
>
>
>Reserve some garden space for green beans and you will benefit from
>similar qualities.

Shall do next season.

On 12/29/2014 6:56 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/28/2014 6:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> I believe Ophelia is having difficulty picturing the canned fried
>>> onions.
>>>
>>> http://www.frenchs.com/products/french-fried-onions
>>>
>
> Those look like worms ... ((
>
I'm sure not going to tell you I think they look appetizing. It's just
the norm for that so-called traditional green bean casserole.

Jill

On 12/29/2014 6:24 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:32:36 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 29, 2014 8:25:58 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:13:49 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 28, 2014 5:33:46 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can honestly say I've never tasted anything meringue. I have no idea
>>>>> whether or not I'd like it. I can say I'll likely never attempt to make
>>>>> it at home. :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You don't like calf slobber??
>>>
>>> Calf slobber says you have never eaten true meringue - now that's not
>>> the stuff erroneously called meringue on top of lemon pie, we are
>>> talking meringue as in Pavlova.
>>>
>>>
>> I was just posting a silly comment back to Jill about meringue and she said she'd never tasted anything meringue. Geez, I wasn't commenting on Pavlova.
>
> OK - I assumed you meant the stuff on top of lemon pie.
>
I never had lemon meringue pie, either.

Jill

On 2014-12-29 5:51 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>>
>> Those look like worms ... ((
>>
> I'm sure not going to tell you I think they look appetizing. It's just
> the norm for that so-called traditional green bean casserole.

Having helped my great uncle slop his pigs, that bean casserole looked
soooooo unappealing. When I helped my mother with Christmas dinner and
she wanted me to make it, I had to try it. I was surprised. It was
good. It was so much better that I had expected it to be.

Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 06:24:28 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You guys are a bunch of supercilious food snobs. While the
> > > recipe may not appeal to you, there is certainly nothing about it
> > > that would kill you or make you sick. But go ahead and keep your
> > > extremely discerning nose in the air so you don't ever get
> > > exposed to a dish that millions of people make and enjoy.
> > >
> > > I make a green bean casserole with similar ingredients, but
> > > without the condensed soup, and it is very good. The basics make
> > > a good dish. Just use fresh ingredients.
> > >
> > > N.
> >
> > It isn't a question of being a food snob, I'll try anything but I'm
> > trying to figure out why anyone would do more than breeze the beans
> > past some nice salted water and serve ? They are a lovely veggie
> > not messed about.
>
> But I thought that green bean casserole was a regular dish in the USA
> for Christmas? It is new to me but it does seem popular. That one
> Nancy posted doesn't seem much different to the recipes I have seen
> posted by others.

It is and enjoyed by most of us, snobbery aside. Eleanor Roosevelt
used to serve it in the Whitehouse even. Those with pretentions to
grandure will act all uppity about it but it's a simple basic and easy
to make dish that does well as a side. The only bad ones are when
folks try to 'fancy them up' (almost universally messing it up and at
best ending up with 'as good as').

Carol

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On 2014-12-29 6:24 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:32:36 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 29, 2014 8:25:58 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:13:49 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 28, 2014 5:33:46 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can honestly say I've never tasted anything meringue. I have no idea
>>>>> whether or not I'd like it. I can say I'll likely never attempt to make
>>>>> it at home. :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You don't like calf slobber??
>>>
>>> Calf slobber says you have never eaten true meringue - now that's not
>>> the stuff erroneously called meringue on top of lemon pie, we are
>>> talking meringue as in Pavlova.
>>>
>>>
>> I was just posting a silly comment back to Jill about meringue and she said she'd never tasted anything meringue. Geez, I wasn't commenting on Pavlova.
>
> OK - I assumed you meant the stuff on top of lemon pie.
>


That is meringue topping. Meringue shells quite lot different. They are
crisp and more substantial.

On 30/12/2014 7:37 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:23:25 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/12/2014 10:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Xeno" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 29/12/2014 1:24 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>> You guys are a bunch of supercilious food snobs. While the recipe
>>>>> may not appeal to
>>>>> you, there is certainly nothing about it that would kill you or make
>>>>> you sick. But go
>>>>> ahead and keep your extremely discerning nose in the air so you don't
>>>>> ever get exposed
>>>>> to a dish that millions of people make and enjoy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I make a green bean casserole with similar ingredients, but without
>>>>> the condensed
>>>>> soup, and it is very good. The basics make a good dish. Just use
>>>>> fresh ingredients.
>>>>>
>>>>> N.
>>>>>
>>>> I wonder how the recipe would go with these beans;
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3aoagu5
>>>>
>>>> We have 8 plants on a galvanised wire framed trellis and we are
>>>> picking a heap of beans every day. We have had beans up to a yard
>>>> long. You can almost see the blasted things growing.We mainly use them
>>>> in stir fries but it's always interesting to try something new.
>>>> Apparently you can use these anywhere an ordinary green bean can be used.
>>>
>>> Blimey! Bruce mentioned these the other day! Those are enormous!!
>>>
>> They are indeed! ;-)
>>
>> Ours range between 2 and 3 feet long. Apparently you can leave them
>> longer and they will possibly grow even more but the flavour goes off.
>> There is the possibility they will go to seed. By that I mean they will
>> dry up and brown off on the plant. Then we dry them for seeds for the
>> next season.
>
> I'm picking them at a little over 1 foot, or else they start to go old
> and yellow.

Ours won't start to go yellow until they are close to 3 feet long.

> I guess it depends on the exact type and climate. Are you
> in the southern hemisphere?
>
Southern hemisphere (Australia) and in the sub tropical region a few
hundred kilometres north of Sydney. Lots of sun and currently lots of rain.

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On 12/29/2014 6:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-12-29 5:51 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Those look like worms ... ((
>>>
>> I'm sure not going to tell you I think they look appetizing. It's just
>> the norm for that so-called traditional green bean casserole.
>
> Having helped my great uncle slop his pigs, that bean casserole looked
> soooooo unappealing. When I helped my mother with Christmas dinner and
> she wanted me to make it, I had to try it. I was surprised. It was
> good. It was so much better that I had expected it to be.
>
As I've said before, if someone served it to me I'd taste it. I've
never been asked to make it. My took the time to write the recipe down
and tape it inside a kitchen cabinet; whether or not she ever made it I
couldn't say.

Jill

On 30/12/2014 2:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Xeno" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 29/12/2014 10:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Xeno" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 29/12/2014 1:24 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>> You guys are a bunch of supercilious food snobs. While the recipe
>>>>> may not appeal to
>>>>> you, there is certainly nothing about it that would kill you or make
>>>>> you sick. But go
>>>>> ahead and keep your extremely discerning nose in the air so you don't
>>>>> ever get exposed
>>>>> to a dish that millions of people make and enjoy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I make a green bean casserole with similar ingredients, but without
>>>>> the condensed
>>>>> soup, and it is very good. The basics make a good dish. Just use
>>>>> fresh ingredients.
>>>>>
>>>>> N.
>>>>>
>>>> I wonder how the recipe would go with these beans;
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3aoagu5
>>>>
>>>> We have 8 plants on a galvanised wire framed trellis and we are
>>>> picking a heap of beans every day. We have had beans up to a yard
>>>> long. You can almost see the blasted things growing.We mainly use them
>>>> in stir fries but it's always interesting to try something new.
>>>> Apparently you can use these anywhere an ordinary green bean can be
>>>> used.
>>>
>>> Blimey! Bruce mentioned these the other day! Those are enormous!!
>>>
>> They are indeed! ;-)
>>
>> Ours range between 2 and 3 feet long. Apparently you can leave them
>> longer
>> and they will possibly grow even more but the flavour goes off. There is
>> the possibility they will go to seed. By that I mean they will dry up and
>> brown off on the plant. Then we dry them for seeds for the next season.
>
> I hope you have plenty of land to sow all the seeds you are likely to
> get)))
>
>
No, we have a shortage of spare garden. That's why we have only 8 plants
in the ground. The snake bean trellis is at the back of our herb garden
and curving over it thus maximising the available space....
I might add, 8 plants provide us with way more beans than we can
possibly eat.

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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 12/28/2014 6:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 12/28/2014 4:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>> I don't use deep fat to cook onions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The green bean casserole being discussed uses canned deep fried
>>>>>>> onions. For all I know they're also breaded. They're very crumbly
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> thin, not like regular onion rings. Making the equivalent at home
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the purposes of this green bean casserole would require deep frying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe Ophelia is having difficulty picturing the canned fried
>>>>> onions.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.frenchs.com/products/french-fried-onions
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully she doesn't think this is something we're all eating every
>>>>> month or even every year with the canned soup and the canned fried
>>>>> onions...
>>>>>
>>>>> It's really only a tradition according to Campbell's.
>>>>
>>>> Agree. Campbell's puts out a lot of recipes. Some people are very
>>>> fond of them. Doesn't mean that we all eat them or if we do, we eat
>>>> them often. I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I want to eat
>>>> them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with them. They
>>>> taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about eating. They
>>>> will likely get tossed out.
>>>
>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>
>> They cost all of $2.00.
>
> Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in a world
> where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you "can" eat
> fried onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a
> person who has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that they
> do not care to consume and then complain about how they cannot afford to
> eat well.

Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank. Many people
waste food in all sorts of ways. I happen to see gambling as a waste of
money as well as many types of vacations such as going to Disneyland. But
that's not my money and the people who have that many can spend it as they
see fit. Why single food out? Why not judge with everything?

On Monday, December 29, 2014 5:36:17 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
>
> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > But I thought that green bean casserole was a regular dish in the USA
> > for Christmas? It is new to me but it does seem popular. That one
> > Nancy posted doesn't seem much different to the recipes I have seen
> > posted by others.
>
> It is and enjoyed by most of us, snobbery aside. Eleanor Roosevelt
> used to serve it in the Whitehouse even. Those with pretentions to
> grandure will act all uppity about it but it's a simple basic and easy
> to make dish that does well as a side. The only bad ones are when
> folks try to 'fancy them up' (almost universally messing it up and at
> best ending up with 'as good as').
>
> Carol
>
I can't say it's a 'regular dish in the USA' it's just heavily advertised at this time of year. And contrary to what Carol would have you think it's not 'fancied up by pretentious people.' It is enjoyed by those who like mushroom soup dumped over a can of green beans and then sprinkled with canned French fried onions and baked. And citing Eleanor Roosevelt as someone who served it at the White House should scare you away; the only thing she could cook, and freely admitted it, was scrambled eggs.

The best advise I can give you on this dish is to take the plunge and try it yourself. Report back to us your opinion on the 'holiday' dish. Use the traditional recipe of canned soup, canned beans, and canned onion rings. See if your family begs for this dish again.

On 30/12/2014 11:13 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:03:17 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 30/12/2014 7:37 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:23:25 +1100, Xeno >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/12/2014 10:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Xeno" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 29/12/2014 1:24 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>>>> You guys are a bunch of supercilious food snobs. While the recipe
>>>>>>> may not appeal to
>>>>>>> you, there is certainly nothing about it that would kill you or make
>>>>>>> you sick. But go
>>>>>>> ahead and keep your extremely discerning nose in the air so you don't
>>>>>>> ever get exposed
>>>>>>> to a dish that millions of people make and enjoy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I make a green bean casserole with similar ingredients, but without
>>>>>>> the condensed
>>>>>>> soup, and it is very good. The basics make a good dish. Just use
>>>>>>> fresh ingredients.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> N.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how the recipe would go with these beans;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3aoagu5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have 8 plants on a galvanised wire framed trellis and we are
>>>>>> picking a heap of beans every day. We have had beans up to a yard
>>>>>> long. You can almost see the blasted things growing.We mainly use them
>>>>>> in stir fries but it's always interesting to try something new.
>>>>>> Apparently you can use these anywhere an ordinary green bean can be used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blimey! Bruce mentioned these the other day! Those are enormous!!
>>>>>
>>>> They are indeed! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Ours range between 2 and 3 feet long. Apparently you can leave them
>>>> longer and they will possibly grow even more but the flavour goes off.
>>>> There is the possibility they will go to seed. By that I mean they will
>>>> dry up and brown off on the plant. Then we dry them for seeds for the
>>>> next season.
>>>
>>> I'm picking them at a little over 1 foot, or else they start to go old
>>> and yellow.
>>
>> Ours won't start to go yellow until they are close to 3 feet long.
>>
>>> I guess it depends on the exact type and climate. Are you
>>> in the southern hemisphere?
>>>
>> Southern hemisphere (Australia) and in the sub tropical region a few
>> hundred kilometres north of Sydney. Lots of sun and currently lots of rain.
>
> You are me. I knew it.
>
So... where are you?


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On 30/12/2014 7:48 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:12:26 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:11:54 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>>>
>>>> They cost all of $2.00.
>>>
>>> Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in a world
>>> where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you "can" eat fried
>>> onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a person who
>>> has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that they do not care
>>> to consume and then complain about how they cannot afford to eat well.
>>
>> Yep. Julie is well-trained consumer - throws out food for all but
>> valid reasons. I'll bet she's also good at buying unnecessary non-food
>> items too, and her garbage bin is full each week with plastic. She is
>> the very antithesis of how I live.
>
> If you were the Man of Nature you pretend to be, you wouldn't always
> be sitting behind your computer, bitching about other people in a
> newsgroup
>
LOL


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"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
> On 30/12/2014 7:48 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:12:26 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:11:54 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>>>>
>>>>> They cost all of $2.00.
>>>>
>>>> Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in a world
>>>> where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you "can" eat
>>>> fried
>>>> onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a person
>>>> who
>>>> has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that they do not
>>>> care
>>>> to consume and then complain about how they cannot afford to eat well.
>>>
>>> Yep. Julie is well-trained consumer - throws out food for all but
>>> valid reasons. I'll bet she's also good at buying unnecessary non-food
>>> items too, and her garbage bin is full each week with plastic. She is
>>> the very antithesis of how I live.
>>
>> If you were the Man of Nature you pretend to be, you wouldn't always
>> be sitting behind your computer, bitching about other people in a
>> newsgroup
>>
> LOL

I have no clue who posted the above but it isn't true. And plastic is
recyclable. My garbage bin isn't full every week. It is this week but we
did have Christmas and we did get a lot of gifts, some of which came with
packings that were not recyclable.

But seriously... Why do people focus on food waste? There is waste all
around us! How many people got one or more gifts for Christmas that they
have no want or need for? I'm sure there are some. Why didn't you just
tell the person who gave you the gift to take that money instead and feed
the poor!

How many people went out and bought a newer/bigger/better TV when they
already had one that worked just fine?

For that matter... Why don't we all just live on beans and rice with an
occasional orange or tomato thrown in for vitamin C? A little bread once in
a while for additional vitamins. Why bother to make sauces or use spices or
seasonings? Sure, the food won't taste as good but it will sustain us. And
it will be cheap!

Let's all live as frugally as humanly possible. Let's all sell our houses
and give the money to charity. We can ride bikes to get where we need to go
and limit where we go to only necessary places. We can give up our phones,
computers, all devices! Save as much money as possible and give it to the
poor.

Oh hey! We could all be Socialists! Right?

Now shut up about my $2 can of onions. Oh and I was wrong about the brand.
They're Pik Nik and not Durkee. Sorry.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Xeno" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 30/12/2014 7:48 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:12:26 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:11:54 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They cost all of $2.00.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in a
>>>>> world
>>>>> where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you "can" eat
>>>>> fried
>>>>> onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a
>>>>> person who
>>>>> has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that they do not
>>>>> care
>>>>> to consume and then complain about how they cannot afford to eat well.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. Julie is well-trained consumer - throws out food for all but
>>>> valid reasons. I'll bet she's also good at buying unnecessary non-food
>>>> items too, and her garbage bin is full each week with plastic. She is
>>>> the very antithesis of how I live.
>>>
>>> If you were the Man of Nature you pretend to be, you wouldn't always
>>> be sitting behind your computer, bitching about other people in a
>>> newsgroup
>>>
>> LOL
>
> I have no clue who posted the above but it isn't true. And plastic is
> recyclable. My garbage bin isn't full every week. It is this week but we
> did have Christmas and we did get a lot of gifts, some of which came with
> packings that were not recyclable.
>
> But seriously... Why do people focus on food waste? There is waste all
> around us! How many people got one or more gifts for Christmas that they
> have no want or need for? I'm sure there are some. Why didn't you just
> tell the person who gave you the gift to take that money instead and feed
> the poor!
>
> How many people went out and bought a newer/bigger/better TV when they
> already had one that worked just fine?
>
> For that matter... Why don't we all just live on beans and rice with an
> occasional orange or tomato thrown in for vitamin C? A little bread once
> in a while for additional vitamins. Why bother to make sauces or use
> spices or seasonings? Sure, the food won't taste as good but it will
> sustain us. And it will be cheap!
>
> Let's all live as frugally as humanly possible. Let's all sell our houses
> and give the money to charity. We can ride bikes to get where we need to
> go and limit where we go to only necessary places. We can give up our
> phones, computers, all devices! Save as much money as possible and give
> it to the poor.
>
> Oh hey! We could all be Socialists! Right?
>
> Now shut up about my $2 can of onions. Oh and I was wrong about the
> brand. They're Pik Nik and not Durkee. Sorry.

The lamest form of argument is to create false equivalences and then demand
the other side defend them as if that was their point in the first place..




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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 12/28/2014 6:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On 12/28/2014 4:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I don't use deep fat to cook onions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The green bean casserole being discussed uses canned deep fried
>>>>>>>> onions. For all I know they're also breaded. They're very crumbly
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> thin, not like regular onion rings. Making the equivalent at home
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the purposes of this green bean casserole would require deep
>>>>>>>> frying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe Ophelia is having difficulty picturing the canned fried
>>>>>> onions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.frenchs.com/products/french-fried-onions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully she doesn't think this is something we're all eating every
>>>>>> month or even every year with the canned soup and the canned fried
>>>>>> onions...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's really only a tradition according to Campbell's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree. Campbell's puts out a lot of recipes. Some people are very
>>>>> fond of them. Doesn't mean that we all eat them or if we do, we eat
>>>>> them often. I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I want to
>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with them. They
>>>>> taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about eating.
>>>>> They will likely get tossed out.
>>>>
>>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>>
>>> They cost all of $2.00.
>>
>> Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in a world
>> where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you "can" eat
>> fried onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a
>> person who has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that
>> they do not care to consume and then complain about how they cannot
>> afford to eat well.
>
> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank. Many people
> waste food in all sorts of ways. I happen to see gambling as a waste of
> money as well as many types of vacations such as going to Disneyland. But
> that's not my money and the people who have that many can spend it as they
> see fit. Why single food out? Why not judge with everything?

Food is quite different. Nobody dies becase they cannot afford a ticket to
Disneyland. Nobody dies because they can't play Blackjack. I believe
wasting food, wantonly in your case, is just immoral. Sure, my fridge has
seen spoiled food from time to time but I don't throw away entire cartloads
of food because "I deceded I used to like it but now I don't - at least now
I know" and then to complain that I can't afford to buy quality food. You
can call it a problem but I see it as personal responsibility. People who
respect food for 3hat it is and what it takes to produice it are not so
quick to throw it away just because they can afford to.




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On 30/12/2014 2:22 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Xeno" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 30/12/2014 7:48 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:12:26 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:11:54 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They cost all of $2.00.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in a
>>>>> world
>>>>> where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you "can"
>>>>> eat fried
>>>>> onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a
>>>>> person who
>>>>> has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that they do
>>>>> not care
>>>>> to consume and then complain about how they cannot afford to eat well.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. Julie is well-trained consumer - throws out food for all but
>>>> valid reasons. I'll bet she's also good at buying unnecessary non-food
>>>> items too, and her garbage bin is full each week with plastic. She is
>>>> the very antithesis of how I live.
>>>
>>> If you were the Man of Nature you pretend to be, you wouldn't always
>>> be sitting behind your computer, bitching about other people in a
>>> newsgroup
>>>
>> LOL
>
> I have no clue who posted the above but it isn't true. And plastic is
> recyclable. My garbage bin isn't full every week. It is this week but
> we did have Christmas and we did get a lot of gifts, some of which came
> with packings that were not recyclable.

I was just commenting on the "Man of Nature" comment made by Bruce. I
wasn't commenting on your habits, real or imagined.
>
> But seriously... Why do people focus on food waste? There is waste all
> around us! How many people got one or more gifts for Christmas that
> they have no want or need for? I'm sure there are some. Why didn't you
> just tell the person who gave you the gift to take that money instead
> and feed the poor!

Around here we compost food waste so it isn't really wasted. What we
don't compost goes into the green bin (putrescible waste) which the
local council then composts. We recycle all glass, plastic and paper
and, as a consequence, our rubbish bin has very little in it at emptying
time.
>
> How many people went out and bought a newer/bigger/better TV when they
> already had one that worked just fine?

We "need" a larger screen but, until our current 32" flat panel carks
it, we will hold off on that purchase.
>
> For that matter... Why don't we all just live on beans and rice with an
> occasional orange or tomato thrown in for vitamin C? A little bread
> once in a while for additional vitamins. Why bother to make sauces or
> use spices or seasonings? Sure, the food won't taste as good but it
> will sustain us. And it will be cheap!

Beans, bread, orange, tomato, and rice? I'm already living on that diet
you speak of. The seasonings we are able to get from the garden. We grow
most Asian spices here and the food tastes really good. We get lots of
good fruit here but apples are a bit more difficult. Even so we can get
locally grown varieties.
>
> Let's all live as frugally as humanly possible. Let's all sell our
> houses and give the money to charity.

I'll pass! I'm not that charitable! The climate may be pleasant here in
the coastal subtropics but the winter nights can be very cold. I'll keep
my house.

> We can ride bikes to get where we need to go

I do that already!

> and limit where we go to only necessary places.

And that!

> We can give up our phones, computers, all devices!

Give up my computers and internet? Now that's a step too far! ;-)

> Save as much money as possible and give it to the poor.

Did that in my working life. Now is the time for me to spend it.
>
> Oh hey! We could all be Socialists! Right?

In part, I probably already am.
>
> Now shut up about my $2 can of onions. Oh and I was wrong about the
> brand. They're Pik Nik and not Durkee. Sorry.

Again, I wasn't commenting about your $2 can of onions....

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On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:55:43 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>> I have no clue who posted the above but it isn't true. And plastic is
>> recyclable. My garbage bin isn't full every week. It is this week but we
>> did have Christmas and we did get a lot of gifts, some of which came with
>> packings that were not recyclable.
>>
>> But seriously... Why do people focus on food waste? There is waste all
>> around us! How many people got one or more gifts for Christmas that they
>> have no want or need for? I'm sure there are some. Why didn't you just
>> tell the person who gave you the gift to take that money instead and feed
>> the poor!
>>
>> How many people went out and bought a newer/bigger/better TV when they
>> already had one that worked just fine?
>>
>> For that matter... Why don't we all just live on beans and rice with an
>> occasional orange or tomato thrown in for vitamin C? A little bread once
>> in a while for additional vitamins. Why bother to make sauces or use
>> spices or seasonings? Sure, the food won't taste as good but it will
>> sustain us. And it will be cheap!
>>
>> Let's all live as frugally as humanly possible. Let's all sell our houses
>> and give the money to charity. We can ride bikes to get where we need to
>> go and limit where we go to only necessary places. We can give up our
>> phones, computers, all devices! Save as much money as possible and give
>> it to the poor.
>>
>> Oh hey! We could all be Socialists! Right?
>>
>> Now shut up about my $2 can of onions. Oh and I was wrong about the
>> brand. They're Pik Nik and not Durkee. Sorry.
>
>The lamest form of argument is to create false equivalences and then demand
>the other side defend them as if that was their point in the first place..

Do you expect anything less from Julie? She literally has no clue.

Dinner tonight: Slow cooked leg of lamb in white wine and chicken
stock, fresh bay leaf and thyme... plus baby potatos and carrots,
onions and garlic. Plus some steamed spinach, snow peas and kale.

On 30/12/2014 3:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 12/28/2014 6:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> On 12/28/2014 4:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't use deep fat to cook onions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The green bean casserole being discussed uses canned deep fried
>>>>>>>>> onions. For all I know they're also breaded. They're very crumbly
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> thin, not like regular onion rings. Making the equivalent at home
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the purposes of this green bean casserole would require deep
>>>>>>>>> frying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe Ophelia is having difficulty picturing the canned fried
>>>>>>> onions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.frenchs.com/products/french-fried-onions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully she doesn't think this is something we're all eating every
>>>>>>> month or even every year with the canned soup and the canned fried
>>>>>>> onions...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's really only a tradition according to Campbell's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree. Campbell's puts out a lot of recipes. Some people are very
>>>>>> fond of them. Doesn't mean that we all eat them or if we do, we eat
>>>>>> them often. I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I want to
>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with them. They
>>>>>> taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about eating.
>>>>>> They will likely get tossed out.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>>>
>>>> They cost all of $2.00.
>>>
>>> Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in a world
>>> where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you "can" eat
>>> fried onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a
>>> person who has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that
>>> they do not care to consume and then complain about how they cannot
>>> afford to eat well.
>>
>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank. Many people
>> waste food in all sorts of ways. I happen to see gambling as a waste of
>> money as well as many types of vacations such as going to Disneyland. But
>> that's not my money and the people who have that many can spend it as they
>> see fit. Why single food out? Why not judge with everything?
>
> Food is quite different. Nobody dies becase they cannot afford a ticket to
> Disneyland. Nobody dies because they can't play Blackjack. I believe
> wasting food, wantonly in your case, is just immoral. Sure, my fridge has
> seen spoiled food from time to time but I don't throw away entire cartloads
> of food because "I deceded I used to like it but now I don't - at least now
> I know" and then to complain that I can't afford to buy quality food. You
> can call it a problem but I see it as personal responsibility. People who
> respect food for 3hat it is and what it takes to produice it are not so
> quick to throw it away just because they can afford to.
>
Ah, so THIS is what the above discussion, the one I accidentally became
embroiled in, was all about! ;-)


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Xeno.

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:01:47 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

<snip>

>People who
>respect food for 3hat it is and what it takes to produice it are not so
>quick to throw it away just because they can afford to.

Exactly, well said.

On 30/12/2014 3:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:42:40 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 30/12/2014 11:13 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:03:17 +1100, Xeno >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/12/2014 7:37 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:23:25 +1100, Xeno >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/12/2014 10:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Xeno" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On 29/12/2014 1:24 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You guys are a bunch of supercilious food snobs. While the recipe
>>>>>>>>> may not appeal to
>>>>>>>>> you, there is certainly nothing about it that would kill you or make
>>>>>>>>> you sick. But go
>>>>>>>>> ahead and keep your extremely discerning nose in the air so you don't
>>>>>>>>> ever get exposed
>>>>>>>>> to a dish that millions of people make and enjoy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I make a green bean casserole with similar ingredients, but without
>>>>>>>>> the condensed
>>>>>>>>> soup, and it is very good. The basics make a good dish. Just use
>>>>>>>>> fresh ingredients.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> N.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder how the recipe would go with these beans;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3aoagu5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have 8 plants on a galvanised wire framed trellis and we are
>>>>>>>> picking a heap of beans every day. We have had beans up to a yard
>>>>>>>> long. You can almost see the blasted things growing.We mainly use them
>>>>>>>> in stir fries but it's always interesting to try something new.
>>>>>>>> Apparently you can use these anywhere an ordinary green bean can be used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blimey! Bruce mentioned these the other day! Those are enormous!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are indeed! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ours range between 2 and 3 feet long. Apparently you can leave them
>>>>>> longer and they will possibly grow even more but the flavour goes off.
>>>>>> There is the possibility they will go to seed. By that I mean they will
>>>>>> dry up and brown off on the plant. Then we dry them for seeds for the
>>>>>> next season.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm picking them at a little over 1 foot, or else they start to go old
>>>>> and yellow.
>>>>
>>>> Ours won't start to go yellow until they are close to 3 feet long.
>>>>
>>>>> I guess it depends on the exact type and climate. Are you
>>>>> in the southern hemisphere?
>>>>>
>>>> Southern hemisphere (Australia) and in the sub tropical region a few
>>>> hundred kilometres north of Sydney. Lots of sun and currently lots of rain.
>>>
>>> You are me. I knew it.
>>>
>> So... where are you?
>
> Southern hemisphere (Australia) and in the sub tropical region a few
> hundred kilometres north of Sydney. Lots of sun and currently lots of
> rain.
>
> Closer to Brisbane than to Sydney, actually.
>
less than 400 k from Brisbane?

We could be neighbours!

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Xeno.

On 30/12/2014 4:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:40:01 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 30/12/2014 3:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:42:40 +1100, Xeno >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/12/2014 11:13 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:03:17 +1100, Xeno >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/12/2014 7:37 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:23:25 +1100, Xeno >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how the recipe would go with these beans;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3aoagu5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have 8 plants on a galvanised wire framed trellis and we are
>>>>>>>>>> picking a heap of beans every day. We have had beans up to a yard
>>>>>>>>>> long. You can almost see the blasted things growing.We mainly use them
>>>>>>>>>> in stir fries but it's always interesting to try something new.
>>>>>>>>>> Apparently you can use these anywhere an ordinary green bean can be used.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blimey! Bruce mentioned these the other day! Those are enormous!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are indeed! ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ours range between 2 and 3 feet long. Apparently you can leave them
>>>>>>>> longer and they will possibly grow even more but the flavour goes off.
>>>>>>>> There is the possibility they will go to seed. By that I mean they will
>>>>>>>> dry up and brown off on the plant. Then we dry them for seeds for the
>>>>>>>> next season.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm picking them at a little over 1 foot, or else they start to go old
>>>>>>> and yellow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ours won't start to go yellow until they are close to 3 feet long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess it depends on the exact type and climate. Are you
>>>>>>> in the southern hemisphere?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Southern hemisphere (Australia) and in the sub tropical region a few
>>>>>> hundred kilometres north of Sydney. Lots of sun and currently lots of rain.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are me. I knew it.
>>>>>
>>>> So... where are you?
>>>
>>> Southern hemisphere (Australia) and in the sub tropical region a few
>>> hundred kilometres north of Sydney. Lots of sun and currently lots of
>>> rain.
>>>
>>> Closer to Brisbane than to Sydney, actually.
>>>
>> less than 400 k from Brisbane?
>
> Yes.
>
>> We could be neighbours!
>
> We must be! Can you see me wave?
>
I am looking but not seeing...

What town are you in?

Post to my email address if you prefer. It's "live".

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Xeno.