On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:31:57 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 12/30/2014 12:19 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:04:48 -0500, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/30/2014 9:04 AM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:02:39 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I would also like to see a recipe from the "scratchers" for cream of
> >>>> mushroom soup and cream of chicken soup. If someone wants to post
> >>>> those recipes, I'll try them then I too can compare to the pretty darn
> >>>> tasty Campbell's version.
> >>>
> >>> Can't help you there. I don't make creamed soup unless it's for the
> >>> base of that casserole, but lots of blog spots have the formula for
> >>> Cream of Anything soup. Here's one.
> >>> http://onceamonthmeals.com/homemade-...omething-soup/
> >>>
> >> Did you forget Bob Pastorio's 'Cream of Anything Soup'?
> >
> > No. I didn't like him and wasn't about to bring him into the thread.
> > All the other cream of anything soups are probably based on his
> > formula anyway.
> >
> >
> So, credit where credit is due. Gary asked for a recipe and Pastorio's
> is a good place to start. IMHO.
>
For you, not for me.


--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On 12/30/2014 7:28 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
> jmcquown > wrote:
>> On 12/30/2014 3:59 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>>> I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I want to
>>>>>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with them.
>>>>>>>>>> They taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about
>>>>>>>>>> eating. They will likely get tossed out.
>>>
>>> Then you wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank.
>>>
>>> Then you said
>>>
>>>> What I said was that your focusing on my possibly
>>>> throwing out part of a can of fried onions is no different than somebody
>>>> else choosing to spend their money on gambling or a trip.
>>>
>>> See above. It's not 'part of a can', it's a can that you bought FOR
>>> YOUR OWN consumption yet don't intend to eat
>>>
>>> . And I'm sure as heck not going to go out and find
>>>> some hungry person to give the onions to.
>>>
>>> So you're not going to give your unwanted, uneaten impulse buy of
>>> canned onions to the food bank after all.
>>>
>>> Must be a record for how many times you contradict yourself in
>>> one conversation
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>>
>> Colour me confused but I can't imagine buying a can of fried onions just
>> because it's something I *could* eat. Was it supposed to be a snack? Ugh.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Buying them to eat as a snack may be the grossest thing I've ever heard.
> Leave it to Julie!
>
It sounds pretty ridiculous. I don't care what brand she actually
bought, canned fried onions have never been touted as a snack food.
Then again, to buy them just because she found them is also silly.

Jill

On 12/30/2014 7:28 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
> jmcquown > wrote:
>> On 12/30/2014 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> More recently I tried the frozen Cafe Steamers because many people said
>>> how good they were. I suspect that those people don't cook. Tried the
>>> potatoes and green beans. Yuck.
>>
>> There's half your problem. Frozen "Cafe Steamers". Buying a bag of
>> frozen steamed vegetables and heating them up is not the same as steaming
>> and *seasoning* fresh vegetables yourself. It's no wonder you find
>> steamed vegetables bland.
>>
>> Jill
>
> It's ironic that she differentiates "people that don't cook" as those who
> buy frozen premade dinners, yet here she is, always talking about all the
> crappy frozen premade foods she doesn't like, doesn't want, but bought
> because someone mentioned it and she had a coupon for it so it was cheap.
>
Hey, she bought the stuff. She one of the people who buys convenience
foods because they're on sale. Maybe it was a BOGO! Then she bitches
because she didn't like it. How about try cooking and seasoning your
own food sometime? Stop buying cheap stuff because "many people"
(whoever the heck they are) said it was good.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/30/2014 7:28 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2014 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> More recently I tried the frozen Cafe Steamers because many people said
>>>> how good they were. I suspect that those people don't cook. Tried the
>>>> potatoes and green beans. Yuck.
>>>
>>> There's half your problem. Frozen "Cafe Steamers". Buying a bag of
>>> frozen steamed vegetables and heating them up is not the same as
>>> steaming
>>> and *seasoning* fresh vegetables yourself. It's no wonder you find
>>> steamed vegetables bland.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> It's ironic that she differentiates "people that don't cook" as those who
>> buy frozen premade dinners, yet here she is, always talking about all the
>> crappy frozen premade foods she doesn't like, doesn't want, but bought
>> because someone mentioned it and she had a coupon for it so it was cheap.
>>
> Hey, she bought the stuff. She one of the people who buys convenience
> foods because they're on sale. Maybe it was a BOGO! Then she bitches
> because she didn't like it. How about try cooking and seasoning your own
> food sometime? Stop buying cheap stuff because "many people" (whoever the
> heck they are) said it was good.
>
> Jill

retch.food.crappyconvieniencecheapstuff

On 31/12/2014 11:34 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:36:41 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/30/2014 6:13 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:27:28 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/29/2014 11:34 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 30/12/2014 3:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Food is quite different. Nobody dies becase they cannot afford a
>>>>>> ticket to
>>>>>> Disneyland. Nobody dies because they can't play Blackjack. I believe
>>>>>> wasting food, wantonly in your case, is just immoral. Sure, my fridge
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> seen spoiled food from time to time but I don't throw away entire
>>>>>> cartloads
>>>>>> of food because "I deceded I used to like it but now I don't - at
>>>>>> least now
>>>>>> I know" and then to complain that I can't afford to buy quality food.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>> can call it a problem but I see it as personal responsibility. People
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> respect food for 3hat it is and what it takes to produice it are not so
>>>>>> quick to throw it away just because they can afford to.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, so THIS is what the above discussion, the one I accidentally became
>>>>> embroiled in, was all about! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Apparently you are unaware she regularly throws food items away based on
>>>> arbitrary expiration dates printed on packages and cans.
>>>
>>> Just FYI: this person is the resident troll from aus.cars. In fact,
>>> they have been posting here under another nym for some quite time now.
>>>
>> Surely you don't mean Bruce.
>
> He calls most people trolls, so who knows
>
Indeed. I posted here once about a year ago...

--

Xeno.

On 31/12/2014 9:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/29/2014 11:34 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 30/12/2014 3:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>> Food is quite different. Nobody dies becase they cannot afford a
>>> ticket to
>>> Disneyland. Nobody dies because they can't play Blackjack. I believe
>>> wasting food, wantonly in your case, is just immoral. Sure, my fridge
>>> has
>>> seen spoiled food from time to time but I don't throw away entire
>>> cartloads
>>> of food because "I deceded I used to like it but now I don't - at
>>> least now
>>> I know" and then to complain that I can't afford to buy quality food.
>>> You
>>> can call it a problem but I see it as personal responsibility. People
>>> who
>>> respect food for 3hat it is and what it takes to produice it are not so
>>> quick to throw it away just because they can afford to.
>>>
>> Ah, so THIS is what the above discussion, the one I accidentally became
>> embroiled in, was all about! ;-)
>>
>>
> Apparently you are unaware she regularly throws food items away based on
> arbitrary expiration dates printed on packages and cans.
>
> Jill

Such dates are indeed abitrary. I use stuff that is often long past its
best before date and even its use by date. Milk is about the one thing
that I am a bit fussy on as I have had cases where the milk in its
carton has been off upon opening BEFORE the use by date. These days, to
circumvent that, I reach into the back of the fridge in the supermarket
and grab the recent arrivals which have the latest expiry date.
Supermarket staff are told to "face up" the oldest stock. That means
earlier use by dates at the front.

--

Xeno.

On 12/30/2014 9:33 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 31/12/2014 9:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/29/2014 11:34 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 30/12/2014 3:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Food is quite different. Nobody dies becase they cannot afford a
>>>> ticket to
>>>> Disneyland. Nobody dies because they can't play Blackjack. I believe
>>>> wasting food, wantonly in your case, is just immoral. Sure, my fridge
>>>> has
>>>> seen spoiled food from time to time but I don't throw away entire
>>>> cartloads
>>>> of food because "I deceded I used to like it but now I don't - at
>>>> least now
>>>> I know" and then to complain that I can't afford to buy quality food.
>>>> You
>>>> can call it a problem but I see it as personal responsibility. People
>>>> who
>>>> respect food for 3hat it is and what it takes to produice it are not so
>>>> quick to throw it away just because they can afford to.
>>>>
>>> Ah, so THIS is what the above discussion, the one I accidentally became
>>> embroiled in, was all about! ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> Apparently you are unaware she regularly throws food items away based on
>> arbitrary expiration dates printed on packages and cans.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Such dates are indeed abitrary. I use stuff that is often long past its
> best before date and even its use by date. Milk is about the one thing
> that I am a bit fussy on as I have had cases where the milk in its
> carton has been off upon opening BEFORE the use by date. These days, to
> circumvent that, I reach into the back of the fridge in the supermarket
> and grab the recent arrivals which have the latest expiry date.
> Supermarket staff are told to "face up" the oldest stock. That means
> earlier use by dates at the front.
>
She won't bother to read that, what she might read is the word "milk"
and expound upon why she doesn't drink or cook with milk (or whatever
dairy product).

I always check the date on the jug of milk I'm buying. And yes, I take
one from the back of the cooler. That's an old school shopping habit.
Do you know the one about how to judge when store bought bread was
baked by the the colour of the twist tie?

I figured out when they deliver milk to the nearest store so I can get
it pretty much right when it's put in the cooler. I do look at the date
but what I buy is always the freshest as can be for someone who lives
very far from dairy country.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/30/2014 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't find that the steamed have much flavor at all. Especially
>>>> steamed
>>>> potatoes!
>>>
>>> Steamed veggies give you the pure taste without loss of nutrients.
>>> Most ppl season them a bit though. I have never heard of steaming
>>> potatoes. Really?
>>
>> Ordered steamed vegetables and brown rice in a restaurant and there were
>> potatoes. None of the food seemed to be seasoned.
>>
> I doubt it would have mattered if there were no potatoes and there was
> seasoning. Naturally you didn't send it back and order something else.
> Try adding salt & pepper? Don't bother to answer. You will have been out
> to dinner and it was a restaurant you wouldn't have chosen and that was
> the only thing on the menu you thought you could eat...

Correct. It was the only thing on the menu for me to eat. I can't remember
what kind of restaurant it was, but it was in Canada and it was their only
vegetarian option.
>
>> More recently I tried the frozen Cafe Steamers because many people said
>> how good they were. I suspect that those people don't cook. Tried the
>> potatoes and green beans. Yuck.
>
> There's half your problem. Frozen "Cafe Steamers". Buying a bag of
> frozen steamed vegetables and heating them up is not the same as steaming
> and *seasoning* fresh vegetables yourself. It's no wonder you find
> steamed vegetables bland.

I didn't say that they were bland. I said boring. I really do prefer most
veggies raw. Or roasted. I like those textures better.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown > wrote:
>> On 12/30/2014 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't find that the steamed have much flavor at all. Especially
>>>>> steamed
>>>>> potatoes!
>>>>
>>>> Steamed veggies give you the pure taste without loss of nutrients.
>>>> Most ppl season them a bit though. I have never heard of steaming
>>>> potatoes. Really?
>>>
>>> Ordered steamed vegetables and brown rice in a restaurant and there were
>>> potatoes. None of the food seemed to be seasoned.
>>>
>> I doubt it would have mattered if there were no potatoes and there was
>> seasoning. Naturally you didn't send it back and order something else.
>> Try adding salt & pepper? Don't bother to answer. You will have been
>> out to dinner and it was a restaurant you wouldn't have chosen and that
>> was the only thing on the menu you thought you could eat...
>>
>>> More recently I tried the frozen Cafe Steamers because many people said
>>> how good they were. I suspect that those people don't cook. Tried the
>>> potatoes and green beans. Yuck.
>>
>> There's half your problem. Frozen "Cafe Steamers". Buying a bag of
>> frozen steamed vegetables and heating them up is not the same as steaming
>> and *seasoning* fresh vegetables yourself. It's no wonder you find
>> steamed vegetables bland.
>>
>> Jill
>
> It's ironic that she differentiates "people that don't cook" as those who
> buy frozen premade dinners, yet here she is, always talking about all the
> crappy frozen premade foods she doesn't like, doesn't want, but bought
> because someone mentioned it and she had a coupon for it so it was cheap.

Oh BS! I most certainly am not always talking about that. I just made
steaks and baked potatoes for husband and daughter. I did buy frozen
vegetables only because daughter wanted to try them. Cauliflower in cheese
sauce which I know that my husband likes and corn in butter sauce. Also
some garlic bread that was made by the store. Yeah, I know how to make
garlic bread.

And now? I'm going to go make myself some Spanish rice. I might put Rotel
in it. Might not. Will depend on how it looks after I cut up the peppers
and onion. If not, I will use tomato sauce. And yes, I know how to make
tomato sauce but I am not making it now.

Maybe you don't put any stock in what others say is good. I try to listen
to people. And it wasn't just one person who said that the Cafe Steamers
were good. It was dozens. They said that their kids loved them. Mine
didn't and neither did I. They had a very odd taste to them.

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 12/30/2014 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't find that the steamed have much flavor at all. Especially
>>>>> steamed
>>>>> potatoes!
>>>>
>>>> Steamed veggies give you the pure taste without loss of nutrients.
>>>> Most ppl season them a bit though. I have never heard of steaming
>>>> potatoes. Really?
>>>
>>> Ordered steamed vegetables and brown rice in a restaurant and there were
>>> potatoes. None of the food seemed to be seasoned.
>>>
>> I doubt it would have mattered if there were no potatoes and there was >
>> seasoning. Naturally you didn't send it back and order something else.
>> > Try adding salt & pepper? Don't bother to answer. You will have been
>>> out > to dinner and it was a restaurant you wouldn't have chosen and
>>> that was > the only thing on the menu you thought you could eat...
>
> Correct. It was the only thing on the menu for me to eat. I can't
> remember what kind of restaurant it was, but it was in Canada and it was
> their only vegetarian option.
>>
>>> More recently I tried the frozen Cafe Steamers because many people said
>>> how good they were. I suspect that those people don't cook. Tried the
>>> potatoes and green beans. Yuck.
>>
>> There's half your problem. Frozen "Cafe Steamers". Buying a bag of >
>> frozen steamed vegetables and heating them up is not the same as
>> steaming > and *seasoning* fresh vegetables yourself. It's no wonder
>> you find > steamed vegetables bland.
>
> I didn't say that they were bland. I said boring. I really do prefer
> most veggies raw. Or roasted. I like those textures better.

Or canned. Don't forget the canned veggies!
--
jinx the minx

On 31/12/2014 12:07 AM, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I don't find that the steamed have much flavor at all. Especially steamed
>> potatoes!
>
> Steamed veggies give you the pure taste without loss of nutrients.
> Most ppl season them a bit though. I have never heard of steaming
> potatoes. Really?
>
I boil potatoes. I haven't tried steaming them.

--

Xeno.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/30/2014 7:28 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2014 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> More recently I tried the frozen Cafe Steamers because many people said
>>>> how good they were. I suspect that those people don't cook. Tried the
>>>> potatoes and green beans. Yuck.
>>>
>>> There's half your problem. Frozen "Cafe Steamers". Buying a bag of
>>> frozen steamed vegetables and heating them up is not the same as
>>> steaming
>>> and *seasoning* fresh vegetables yourself. It's no wonder you find
>>> steamed vegetables bland.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> It's ironic that she differentiates "people that don't cook" as those who
>> buy frozen premade dinners, yet here she is, always talking about all the
>> crappy frozen premade foods she doesn't like, doesn't want, but bought
>> because someone mentioned it and she had a coupon for it so it was cheap.
>>
> Hey, she bought the stuff. She one of the people who buys convenience
> foods because they're on sale. Maybe it was a BOGO! Then she bitches
> because she didn't like it. How about try cooking and seasoning your own
> food sometime? Stop buying cheap stuff because "many people" (whoever the
> heck they are) said it was good.

I don't buy things just because they are on sale or cheap or BOGO. That
would be just plain stupid. But if it is a new to me item, and I have a
coupon for it and it *is* cheap, then I might try it. At least I can say
that I do try things!

And most of the time I do cook everything from scratch. I kind of have to.
There aren't a lot of prepared foods that I could eat even if I wanted to.
I am also not the only person in this house. Sometimes other people put
things in the cart or ask to try things. Angela asked for the vegetables
today. I saw no reason to tell her, "no". It's not like they were junk
food and I could afford them. They weren't on sale either.

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2014 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't find that the steamed have much flavor at all. Especially
>>>>>> steamed
>>>>>> potatoes!
>>>>>
>>>>> Steamed veggies give you the pure taste without loss of nutrients.
>>>>> Most ppl season them a bit though. I have never heard of steaming
>>>>> potatoes. Really?
>>>>
>>>> Ordered steamed vegetables and brown rice in a restaurant and there were
>>>> potatoes. None of the food seemed to be seasoned.
>>>>
>>> I doubt it would have mattered if there were no potatoes and there was
>>> seasoning. Naturally you didn't send it back and order something else.
>>> Try adding salt & pepper? Don't bother to answer. You will have been
>>> out to dinner and it was a restaurant you wouldn't have chosen and that
>>> was the only thing on the menu you thought you could eat...
>>>
>>>> More recently I tried the frozen Cafe Steamers because many people said
>>>> how good they were. I suspect that those people don't cook. Tried the
>>>> potatoes and green beans. Yuck.
>>>
>>> There's half your problem. Frozen "Cafe Steamers". Buying a bag of
>>> frozen steamed vegetables and heating them up is not the same as steaming
>>> and *seasoning* fresh vegetables yourself. It's no wonder you find
>>> steamed vegetables bland.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> It's ironic that she differentiates "people that don't cook" as those who
>> buy frozen premade dinners, yet here she is, always talking about all the
>> crappy frozen premade foods she doesn't like, doesn't want, but bought
>> because someone mentioned it and she had a coupon for it so it was cheap.
>
> Oh BS! I most certainly am not always talking about that. I just made
> steaks and baked potatoes for husband and daughter. I did buy frozen
> vegetables only because daughter wanted to try them. Cauliflower in
> cheese sauce which I know that my husband likes and corn in butter sauce.
> Also some garlic bread that was made by the store. Yeah, I know how to make garlic bread.
>
> And now? I'm going to go make myself some Spanish rice. I might put
> Rotel in it. Might not. Will depend on how it looks after I cut up the
> peppers and onion. If not, I will use tomato sauce. And yes, I know how
> to make tomato sauce but I am not making it now.
>
> Maybe you don't put any stock in what others say is good. I try to
> listen to people. And it wasn't just one person who said that the Cafe
> Steamers were good. It was dozens. They said that their kids loved
> them. Mine didn't and neither did I. They had a very odd taste to them.

No, no I don't put much stock in what others say is good if they're talking
about premade frozen dinners. I don't feed my child meals out of boxes,
frozen or not. I don't even think I've ever had a conversation with
anyone about the goodness of any particular frozen TV dinner, let alone
with dozens of people.
--
jinx the minx

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/30/2014 5:51 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 12/30/2014 3:59 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about
>>>>>>>>>>>> eating. They will likely get tossed out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you said
>>>>>
>>>>>> What I said was that your focusing on my possibly
>>>>>> throwing out part of a can of fried onions is no different than
>>>>>> somebody
>>>>>> else choosing to spend their money on gambling or a trip.
>>>>>
>>>>> See above. It's not 'part of a can', it's a can that you bought
>>>>> FOR
>>>>> YOUR OWN consumption yet don't intend to eat
>>>>>
>>>>> . And I'm sure as heck not going to go out and find
>>>>>> some hungry person to give the onions to.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you're not going to give your unwanted, uneaten impulse buy of
>>>>> canned onions to the food bank after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Must be a record for how many times you contradict yourself
>>>>> in
>>>>> one conversation
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Colour me confused but I can't imagine buying a can of fried onions
>>>> just
>>>> because it's something I *could* eat. Was it supposed to be a snack?
>>>> Ugh.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Well, she might have found it inspirational to her writing (she is a
>>> writer
>>> . . .), since she placed it next to her computer. I have no canned
>>> foods
>>> next to my computer, you?
>>
>> You never know when you're going to be taken hostage by a kidnapper
>> raccoon. Then you'd be glad of those emergency rations.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>>
> It never occurred to me to stock up on canned fried onions in case of
> emergency. Damn! Now I have to put them on my shopping list. Better
> yet, I'll order a case of them online. Whew! Crisis averted. :-D

You people have got to be nutty buddy or something! I bought one lousy
$2.00 can of them! I did buy two containers of the French's. They don't
come in a can. I thought the Pik Nik ones might be different and would be
good for a snack. I'm not sure how different they are but they are very,
very oniony so not something I want for a snack. The remaining container of
French's will be used for another green bean casserole on some week when the
other ingredients are in my CSA package. Whenever that may be.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Xeno" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 30/12/2014 7:48 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:12:26 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:11:54 -0800, "Paul M. Cook"
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They cost all of $2.00.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in a
>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>> where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you
>>>>>>>>>> "can" eat fried
>>>>>>>>>> onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a
>>>>>>>>>> person who
>>>>>>>>>> has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that they
>>>>>>>>>> do not care
>>>>>>>>>> to consume and then complain about how they cannot afford to eat
>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep. Julie is well-trained consumer - throws out food for all but
>>>>>>>>> valid reasons. I'll bet she's also good at buying unnecessary
>>>>>>>>> non-food
>>>>>>>>> items too, and her garbage bin is full each week with plastic. She
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the very antithesis of how I live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you were the Man of Nature you pretend to be, you wouldn't
>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>> be sitting behind your computer, bitching about other people in a
>>>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no clue who posted the above but it isn't true. And plastic
>>>>>> is recyclable. My garbage bin isn't full every week. It is this
>>>>>> week but we did have Christmas and we did get a lot of gifts, some of
>>>>>> which came with packings that were not recyclable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But seriously... Why do people focus on food waste? There is waste
>>>>>> all around us! How many people got one or more gifts for Christmas
>>>>>> that they have no want or need for? I'm sure there are some. Why
>>>>>> didn't you just tell the person who gave you the gift to take that
>>>>>> money instead and feed the poor!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many people went out and bought a newer/bigger/better TV when
>>>>>> they already had one that worked just fine?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For that matter... Why don't we all just live on beans and rice with
>>>>>> an occasional orange or tomato thrown in for vitamin C? A little
>>>>>> bread once in a while for additional vitamins. Why bother to make
>>>>>> sauces or use spices or seasonings? Sure, the food won't taste as
>>>>>> good but it will sustain us. And it will be cheap!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's all live as frugally as humanly possible. Let's all sell our
>>>>>> houses and give the money to charity. We can ride bikes to get where
>>>>>> we need to go and limit where we go to only necessary places. We can
>>>>>> give up our phones, computers, all devices! Save as much money as
>>>>>> possible and give it to the poor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh hey! We could all be Socialists! Right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now shut up about my $2 can of onions. Oh and I was wrong about the
>>>>>> brand. They're Pik Nik and not Durkee. Sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lamest form of argument is to create false equivalences and then
>>>>> demand the other side defend them as if that was their point in the
>>>>> first place..
>>>>
>>>> Not false at all. Why focus on food?
>>>
>>> Food is different. For obvious reasons. Waste not, want not - used to
>>> be a common expression. If you have ever experienced hunger you'd know
>>> the misery it is.
>>
>> And again... *My* tossing out some onions isn't going to affect those
>> who are hungry one way or another. And I'm sure there are many.
>
> It's all about the attitude. Think globally, act locally.
>
>> But food really is no different. If everyone would do something for
>> themselves to save money and then give that money to the needy, that
>> would help. But a lot of people won't do this so...
>
> Food is different.

You just keep telling yourself that.

> wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:02:46 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > If me, I won't use canned soup in any dish. I look at
> > USA recipes and often see something that looks good, until I get to the
> > part
> > about the canned soup I sometimes make them but make my own soup for
> > the
> > sauce. Whether that makes a big difference to the overall dish I
> > cannot
> > say.
>
> You would have to try the canned cream of soup in order to compare.
> Have you ever tried it?
>
> Many people here frown on using the canned. "So easy to make it
> yourself," they say. Well, it's easier to use the canned. It's a good
> ingredient if you like it and I happen to like it. Keep in mind too
> that those are very popular on the market, so it's not just me.
>
> I would also like to see a recipe from the "scratchers" for cream of
> mushroom soup and cream of chicken soup. If someone wants to post
> those recipes, I'll try them then I too can compare to the pretty darn
> tasty Campbell's version.
>
> G. :-D
>
>
Yes Ophelia, I was replying to you in the thread above about you trying the
green bean casserole. And I agree with Gary, you have to use the canned
soup and such to see how this recipe, as presented each year on tv here as
'holiday tradition' to see if YOU like it. Or would you join the ranks of
some of us here who think this dish is disgusting. And if you want to try
your own concoction of homemade mushroom soup, then don't waste your time.
You will not get the same results as they who rave over the canned stuff.

---

I don't rave about it but I think it is nice for a change. If I could use
the cream soup, I would. I did make it once years ago but used cream of
celery soup instead of mushroom as my brother hates mushrooms. He ate it
and there were no complaints.

We all have different tastes. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean
that those of us who do are wrong.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown > wrote:
>> On 12/30/2014 3:59 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>>> I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I want
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with them.
>>>>>>>>>> They taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about
>>>>>>>>>> eating. They will likely get tossed out.
>>>
>>> Then you wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank.
>>>
>>> Then you said
>>>
>>>> What I said was that your focusing on my possibly
>>>> throwing out part of a can of fried onions is no different than
>>>> somebody
>>>> else choosing to spend their money on gambling or a trip.
>>>
>>> See above. It's not 'part of a can', it's a can that you bought FOR
>>> YOUR OWN consumption yet don't intend to eat
>>>
>>> . And I'm sure as heck not going to go out and find
>>>> some hungry person to give the onions to.
>>>
>>> So you're not going to give your unwanted, uneaten impulse buy of
>>> canned onions to the food bank after all.
>>>
>>> Must be a record for how many times you contradict yourself in
>>> one conversation
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>>
>> Colour me confused but I can't imagine buying a can of fried onions just
>> because it's something I *could* eat. Was it supposed to be a snack?
>> Ugh.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Buying them to eat as a snack may be the grossest thing I've ever heard.
> Leave it to Julie!

I don't eat a lot of snacks. But when I do they are usually olives or
pickles. Sometimes nuts.

On 31/12/2014 12:10 AM, Gary wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>>
>> My wife does a mean honey roasted chicken so
>> honey roasted parsnips and carrots should be ok. With a dash of chilli
>> sauce! Yum!
>
> Honey roasted chicken. recipe please? I like oven fried chicken with
> a honey bourbon sauce as a dip.
>
My wife doesn't use a recipe for most of her cooking. If a recipe is
needed, I get to cook whatever it is... badly...

--

Xeno.

On 31/12/2014 9:56 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:29:03 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 30/12/2014 4:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:40:01 +1100, Xeno >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/12/2014 3:17 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:42:40 +1100, Xeno >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/12/2014 11:13 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:03:17 +1100, Xeno >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>> So... where are you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Southern hemisphere (Australia) and in the sub tropical region a few
>>>>> hundred kilometres north of Sydney. Lots of sun and currently lots of
>>>>> rain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Closer to Brisbane than to Sydney, actually.
>>>>>
>>>> less than 400 k from Brisbane?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> We could be neighbours!
>>>
>>> We must be! Can you see me wave?
>>>
>> I am looking but not seeing...
>>
>> What town are you in?
>
> I'm in Northern Rivers.
>
I'm south of Grafton..
You must be north of Grafton.

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Xeno.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/30/2014 7:28 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2014 3:59 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>>> I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I want
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with them.
>>>>>>>>>>> They taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about
>>>>>>>>>>> eating. They will likely get tossed out.
>>>>
>>>> Then you wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank.
>>>>
>>>> Then you said
>>>>
>>>>> What I said was that your focusing on my possibly
>>>>> throwing out part of a can of fried onions is no different than
>>>>> somebody
>>>>> else choosing to spend their money on gambling or a trip.
>>>>
>>>> See above. It's not 'part of a can', it's a can that you bought
>>>> FOR
>>>> YOUR OWN consumption yet don't intend to eat
>>>>
>>>> . And I'm sure as heck not going to go out and find
>>>>> some hungry person to give the onions to.
>>>>
>>>> So you're not going to give your unwanted, uneaten impulse buy of
>>>> canned onions to the food bank after all.
>>>>
>>>> Must be a record for how many times you contradict yourself
>>>> in
>>>> one conversation
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Colour me confused but I can't imagine buying a can of fried onions just
>>> because it's something I *could* eat. Was it supposed to be a snack?
>>> Ugh.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Buying them to eat as a snack may be the grossest thing I've ever heard.
>> Leave it to Julie!
>>
> It sounds pretty ridiculous. I don't care what brand she actually bought,
> canned fried onions have never been touted as a snack food. Then again, to
> buy them just because she found them is also silly.

Why not? People eat onion rings, onion flavored potato chips and Funyons as
a snack. Onion flavored crackers as well. How would these be so different?
I have eaten bacon bits as a snack. Even bits of pot roast. Even a piece
of cold pasta from a bowl of pasta salad. Anything eaten between meals is a
snack.

On 30/12/2014 8:34 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 31/12/2014 12:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't find that the steamed have much flavor at all. Especially
>>> steamed
>>> potatoes!
>>
>> Steamed veggies give you the pure taste without loss of nutrients.
>> Most ppl season them a bit though. I have never heard of steaming
>> potatoes. Really?
>>
> I boil potatoes. I haven't tried steaming them.
>
I highly recommend the method! For old or new spuds, mashers or roasters.
Graham

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2014 3:59 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>>> I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I want >>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with them.
>>>>>>>>>>> They taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about
>>>>>>>>>>> eating. They will likely get tossed out.
>>>>
>>>> Then you wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank.
>>>>
>>>> Then you said
>>>>
>>>>> What I said was that your focusing on my possibly
>>>>> throwing out part of a can of fried onions is no different than >>>> somebody
>>>>> else choosing to spend their money on gambling or a trip.
>>>>
>>>> See above. It's not 'part of a can', it's a can that you bought FOR
>>>> YOUR OWN consumption yet don't intend to eat
>>>>
>>>> . And I'm sure as heck not going to go out and find
>>>>> some hungry person to give the onions to.
>>>>
>>>> So you're not going to give your unwanted, uneaten impulse buy of
>>>> canned onions to the food bank after all.
>>>>
>>>> Must be a record for how many times you contradict yourself in
>>>> one conversation
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Colour me confused but I can't imagine buying a can of fried onions just
>>> because it's something I *could* eat. Was it supposed to be a snack? >> Ugh.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Buying them to eat as a snack may be the grossest thing I've ever heard.
>> Leave it to Julie!
>
> I don't eat a lot of snacks. But when I do they are usually olives or
> pickles. Sometimes nuts.

Don't forget the popcorn, carb queen.
--
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"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
> On 31/12/2014 9:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/29/2014 11:34 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 30/12/2014 3:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Food is quite different. Nobody dies becase they cannot afford a
>>>> ticket to
>>>> Disneyland. Nobody dies because they can't play Blackjack. I believe
>>>> wasting food, wantonly in your case, is just immoral. Sure, my fridge
>>>> has
>>>> seen spoiled food from time to time but I don't throw away entire
>>>> cartloads
>>>> of food because "I deceded I used to like it but now I don't - at
>>>> least now
>>>> I know" and then to complain that I can't afford to buy quality food.
>>>> You
>>>> can call it a problem but I see it as personal responsibility. People
>>>> who
>>>> respect food for 3hat it is and what it takes to produice it are not so
>>>> quick to throw it away just because they can afford to.
>>>>
>>> Ah, so THIS is what the above discussion, the one I accidentally became
>>> embroiled in, was all about! ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> Apparently you are unaware she regularly throws food items away based on
>> arbitrary expiration dates printed on packages and cans.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Such dates are indeed abitrary. I use stuff that is often long past its
> best before date and even its use by date. Milk is about the one thing
> that I am a bit fussy on as I have had cases where the milk in its carton
> has been off upon opening BEFORE the use by date. These days, to
> circumvent that, I reach into the back of the fridge in the supermarket
> and grab the recent arrivals which have the latest expiry date.
> Supermarket staff are told to "face up" the oldest stock. That means
> earlier use by dates at the front.

I don't know that they're arbitrary. Nuts past the date can be rancid.
Chips can taste stale. As can crackers. And no, I'm not going to try to
recrisp them in the oven like people did when I was a kid. I had some free
soda that I took with me on Christmas Eve that had expired in Nov. I
thought it would be okay. It wasn't. Usually what happens with old stuff
containing Aspartame is that it takes on an odd flavor. But this had a weak
flavor and it was flat. Probably wouldn't have hurt me to drink it but
wasn't pleasant either.

And Jill is wrong about my regularly throwing things out although I do try
to go through my cupboards and stockpile often and get any old food out of
there. I didn't used to have a stockpile and that's where I ran into
trouble. I have no pantry. And I have insufficient cupboards. I have
small ones for things like oil and spices. An upper, small one for beans,
rice and pasta. And two lower Lazy Susan types for baking things and canned
goods. That's where I ran into trouble. There is no way to properly put
things there in an organized fashion. So things might fall behind and I
might find something old. Like the cans of mushrooms with no dates on them
that had literally exploded in there.

Now I have a shelving unit out in my garage for canned goods and I do buy
quite a lot of certain things at a time to take advantage of sales. Most
canned goods last a year or two if not more. And we all love canned green
beans, peas and black olives among other things. So it makes sense for me
to buy them when the price is low.

I have several Lazy Susans on those shelves that are designed specifically
for cans. They are a little fussy and I do have to be careful not to whip
them around or a can could fly off. But it allows me to easily see the
dates on there and nothing is going to get pushed off somewhere where I
won't notice it. And because the bulk of the food is kept out there, I can
use the Lazy Susan cupboard in the house to keep one or two of each kind of
food. So, convenient for me. If I need something, it is usually there.
And if I use it up, I just put it on my shopping list or if I have it in the
garage, I get it from there. There are some things I don't keep a large
stock of, like canned carrots or black eyed peas. But I do like to keep a
can of each thing (if not more) through the winter. We were once snowed in,
pretty much for two weeks. We had back to back storms and there was part of
one day where we were able to get out and restock but there was slim
pickings in the store and it was just grab what we could.

Next to my stove, I have an extra Lazy Susan can holder and that is where I
put food that is about to expire or food that I know I am going to use for
that night's dinner. I also keep my honey bear in the middle of it because
it looks cute and I use it at least weekly when I bake bread. There isn't
much on that Lazy Susan now. Perhaps two cans of chicken broth, not because
they are old but because I was using a lot of it. There had been a serving
of dried pasta and a small can of tomato sauce. Neither was expired but
needed to be used up by Feb. or March of next year. So you see... With my
system, I try very hard to keep fresh food and use up the older stuff.

I didn't have to go to these lengths when I lived in other places with a
pantry. It was easy enough just to front face things and put the older
things in the front. But that won't work for me now. I do have to go
through the bean/rice/pasta cupboard 2-3 times a year, particularly because
the bagged items tend to shift around and it just isn't the ideal sized
cupboard.

I have another shelving unit in the dining room that holds large things like
bags of chips, cereal and crackers, although I don't keep a lot of those
things. And a skinny little unit that is perfect for aerosol cheese, single
serve snacks and beef jerky. And no, we don't eat a lot of aerosol cheese
either but sometimes someone gets a hankering for it.

So Jill's claim that I regularly throw out a lot of food is just very wrong.
In fact I go to great lengths to avoid doing that. I did have to throw out
a moldy citrus fruit last night though. Not sure where it had been.
Husband put it on the cutting board. For all I know, he could have taken it
out of the fridge some time ago. It was in a bread bag. He had an apple
sitting on the table by his recliner for over a week. I assume that he
finally ate it as it is no longer there.

It's also a tad difficult to keep tabs on things when you live with other
people. I only know for sure what *I* do. Sometimes they do things that I
wouldn't. And I might not find out about them right away.

On 12/30/2014 3:50 PM, Pico Rico wrote:

>>>
>>> Let's all live as frugally as humanly possible. Let's all sell our
>>> houses and give the money to charity.
>
> who would you sell your house to if we were all living as frugally as
> possible?
>
>

I have an 8 room house, garage,and shed. I'm going to invite fourteen
families to share it with me.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Xeno" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On 30/12/2014 7:48 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:12:26 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:11:54 -0800, "Paul M. Cook"
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They cost all of $2.00.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in
>>>>>>>>>>> a world
>>>>>>>>>>> where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you
>>>>>>>>>>> "can" eat fried
>>>>>>>>>>> onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain a
>>>>>>>>>>> person who
>>>>>>>>>>> has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that they
>>>>>>>>>>> do not care
>>>>>>>>>>> to consume and then complain about how they cannot afford to eat
>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep. Julie is well-trained consumer - throws out food for all but
>>>>>>>>>> valid reasons. I'll bet she's also good at buying unnecessary
>>>>>>>>>> non-food
>>>>>>>>>> items too, and her garbage bin is full each week with plastic.
>>>>>>>>>> She is
>>>>>>>>>> the very antithesis of how I live.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you were the Man of Nature you pretend to be, you wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>> be sitting behind your computer, bitching about other people in a
>>>>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no clue who posted the above but it isn't true. And plastic
>>>>>>> is recyclable. My garbage bin isn't full every week. It is this
>>>>>>> week but we did have Christmas and we did get a lot of gifts, some
>>>>>>> of which came with packings that were not recyclable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But seriously... Why do people focus on food waste? There is waste
>>>>>>> all around us! How many people got one or more gifts for Christmas
>>>>>>> that they have no want or need for? I'm sure there are some. Why
>>>>>>> didn't you just tell the person who gave you the gift to take that
>>>>>>> money instead and feed the poor!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many people went out and bought a newer/bigger/better TV when
>>>>>>> they already had one that worked just fine?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For that matter... Why don't we all just live on beans and rice
>>>>>>> with an occasional orange or tomato thrown in for vitamin C? A
>>>>>>> little bread once in a while for additional vitamins. Why bother to
>>>>>>> make sauces or use spices or seasonings? Sure, the food won't taste
>>>>>>> as good but it will sustain us. And it will be cheap!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's all live as frugally as humanly possible. Let's all sell our
>>>>>>> houses and give the money to charity. We can ride bikes to get
>>>>>>> where we need to go and limit where we go to only necessary places.
>>>>>>> We can give up our phones, computers, all devices! Save as much
>>>>>>> money as possible and give it to the poor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh hey! We could all be Socialists! Right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now shut up about my $2 can of onions. Oh and I was wrong about the
>>>>>>> brand. They're Pik Nik and not Durkee. Sorry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lamest form of argument is to create false equivalences and then
>>>>>> demand the other side defend them as if that was their point in the
>>>>>> first place..
>>>>>
>>>>> Not false at all. Why focus on food?
>>>>
>>>> Food is different. For obvious reasons. Waste not, want not - used to
>>>> be a common expression. If you have ever experienced hunger you'd know
>>>> the misery it is.
>>>
>>> And again... *My* tossing out some onions isn't going to affect those
>>> who are hungry one way or another. And I'm sure there are many.
>>
>> It's all about the attitude. Think globally, act locally.
>>
>>> But food really is no different. If everyone would do something for
>>> themselves to save money and then give that money to the needy, that
>>> would help. But a lot of people won't do this so...
>>
>> Food is different.
>
> You just keep telling yourself that.

You are an immoral slob. I call it as I see it.



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On 12/30/2014 10:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 12/30/2014 5:51 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 12/30/2014 3:59 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eating. They will likely get tossed out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you said
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I said was that your focusing on my possibly
>>>>>>> throwing out part of a can of fried onions is no different than
>>>>>>> somebody
>>>>>>> else choosing to spend their money on gambling or a trip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See above. It's not 'part of a can', it's a can that you
>>>>>> bought FOR
>>>>>> YOUR OWN consumption yet don't intend to eat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> . And I'm sure as heck not going to go out and find
>>>>>>> some hungry person to give the onions to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you're not going to give your unwanted, uneaten impulse
>>>>>> buy of
>>>>>> canned onions to the food bank after all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Must be a record for how many times you contradict
>>>>>> yourself in
>>>>>> one conversation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Colour me confused but I can't imagine buying a can of fried onions
>>>>> just
>>>>> because it's something I *could* eat. Was it supposed to be a snack?
>>>>> Ugh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> Well, she might have found it inspirational to her writing (she is a
>>>> writer
>>>> . . .), since she placed it next to her computer. I have no canned
>>>> foods
>>>> next to my computer, you?
>>>
>>> You never know when you're going to be taken hostage by a kidnapper
>>> raccoon. Then you'd be glad of those emergency rations.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>>
>> It never occurred to me to stock up on canned fried onions in case of
>> emergency. Damn! Now I have to put them on my shopping list. Better
>> yet, I'll order a case of them online. Whew! Crisis averted. :-D
>
> You people have got to be nutty buddy or something! I bought one lousy
> $2.00 can of them! I did buy two containers of the French's.

Make up your mind, did you buy one or three containers?

> They
> don't come in a can.

Semantics. It is a vacuum sealed container. Also known as a cannister,
aka a "can".

http://tinyurl.com/ol3fqxd

> I thought the Pik Nik ones might be different and
> would be good for a snack. I'm not sure how different they are but they
> are very, very oniony so not something I want for a snack. The
> remaining container of French's will be used for another green bean
> casserole on some week when the other ingredients are in my CSA
> package. Whenever that may be.

Ai yai yai yai yai. First you said you bought one "lousy" can of Pik
Nik (never heard of it brand) fried onions (for "snacking) now we're up
to you have three cans of fried onions to deal with. Knock yourself out
with the canned fried onions. It must suck to be you.

Jill

On 12/30/2014 10:49 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 12/30/2014 7:28 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>>> On 12/30/2014 3:59 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about
>>>>>>>>>>>> eating. They will likely get tossed out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you said
>>>>>
>>>>>> What I said was that your focusing on my possibly
>>>>>> throwing out part of a can of fried onions is no different than
>>>>>> somebody
>>>>>> else choosing to spend their money on gambling or a trip.
>>>>>
>>>>> See above. It's not 'part of a can', it's a can that you
>>>>> bought FOR
>>>>> YOUR OWN consumption yet don't intend to eat
>>>>>
>>>>> . And I'm sure as heck not going to go out and find
>>>>>> some hungry person to give the onions to.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you're not going to give your unwanted, uneaten impulse buy of
>>>>> canned onions to the food bank after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Must be a record for how many times you contradict
>>>>> yourself in
>>>>> one conversation
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Colour me confused but I can't imagine buying a can of fried onions
>>>> just
>>>> because it's something I *could* eat. Was it supposed to be a
>>>> snack? Ugh.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Buying them to eat as a snack may be the grossest thing I've ever heard.
>>> Leave it to Julie!
>>>
>> It sounds pretty ridiculous. I don't care what brand she actually
>> bought, canned fried onions have never been touted as a snack food.
>> Then again, to buy them just because she found them is also silly.
>
> Why not? People eat onion rings, onion flavored potato chips and
> Funyons as a snack. Onion flavored crackers as well. How would these
> be so different? I have eaten bacon bits as a snack. Even bits of pot
> roast. Even a piece of cold pasta from a bowl of pasta salad. Anything
> eaten between meals is a snack.

Yet you're the person who bought canned fried onions, not onion chips or
crackers or Funyun's. (I really don't want to hear about why you
couldn't eat Funyun's.)

Maybe I'm crazy, I don't think I am. Most folks don't buy canned fried
onions to eat as snacks. That's pretty far out there and has to be on
the worst end of "I think this would taste good" I've ever heard of.
Seriously.

Jill

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Xeno" > wrote in message ...
>> On 31/12/2014 9:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 12/29/2014 11:34 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 30/12/2014 3:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Food is quite different. Nobody dies becase they cannot afford a
>>>>> ticket to
>>>>> Disneyland. Nobody dies because they can't play Blackjack. I believe
>>>>> wasting food, wantonly in your case, is just immoral. Sure, my fridge
>>>>> has
>>>>> seen spoiled food from time to time but I don't throw away entire
>>>>> cartloads
>>>>> of food because "I deceded I used to like it but now I don't - at
>>>>> least now
>>>>> I know" and then to complain that I can't afford to buy quality food.
>>>>> You
>>>>> can call it a problem but I see it as personal responsibility. People
>>>>> who
>>>>> respect food for 3hat it is and what it takes to produice it are not so
>>>>> quick to throw it away just because they can afford to.
>>>>>
>>>> Ah, so THIS is what the above discussion, the one I accidentally became
>>>> embroiled in, was all about! ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Apparently you are unaware she regularly throws food items away based on
>>> arbitrary expiration dates printed on packages and cans.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Such dates are indeed abitrary. I use stuff that is often long past its
>> > best before date and even its use by date. Milk is about the one thing
>>> > that I am a bit fussy on as I have had cases where the milk in its
>>>> carton > has been off upon opening BEFORE the use by date. These days,
>>>> to > circumvent that, I reach into the back of the fridge in the
>>>> supermarket > and grab the recent arrivals which have the latest
>>>> expiry date. > Supermarket staff are told to "face up" the oldest
>>>> stock. That means > earlier use by dates at the front.
>
> I don't know that they're arbitrary. Nuts past the date can be rancid.
> Chips can taste stale. As can crackers. And no, I'm not going to try to
> recrisp them in the oven like people did when I was a kid. I had some
> free soda that I took with me on Christmas Eve that had expired in Nov.
> I thought it would be okay. It wasn't. Usually what happens with old
> stuff containing Aspartame is that it takes on an odd flavor. But this
> had a weak flavor and it was flat. Probably wouldn't have hurt me to
> drink it but wasn't pleasant either.
>
> And Jill is wrong about my regularly throwing things out although I do
> try to go through my cupboards and stockpile often and get any old food
> out of there. I didn't used to have a stockpile and that's where I ran
> into trouble. I have no pantry. And I have insufficient cupboards. I
> have small ones for things like oil and spices. An upper, small one for
> beans, rice and pasta. And two lower Lazy Susan types for baking things
> and canned goods. That's where I ran into trouble. There is no way to
> properly put things there in an organized fashion. So things might fall
> behind and I might find something old. Like the cans of mushrooms with
> no dates on them that had literally exploded in there.
>
> Now I have a shelving unit out in my garage for canned goods and I do buy
> quite a lot of certain things at a time to take advantage of sales. Most
> canned goods last a year or two if not more. And we all love canned
> green beans, peas and black olives among other things. So it makes sense
> for me to buy them when the price is low.
>
> I have several Lazy Susans on those shelves that are designed
> specifically for cans. They are a little fussy and I do have to be
> careful not to whip them around or a can could fly off. But it allows me
> to easily see the dates on there and nothing is going to get pushed off
> somewhere where I won't notice it. And because the bulk of the food is
> kept out there, I can use the Lazy Susan cupboard in the house to keep
> one or two of each kind of food. So, convenient for me. If I need
> something, it is usually there. And if I use it up, I just put it on my
> shopping list or if I have it in the garage, I get it from there. There
> are some things I don't keep a large stock of, like canned carrots or
> black eyed peas. But I do like to keep a can of each thing (if not more)
> through the winter. We were once snowed in, pretty much for two weeks.
> We had back to back storms and there was part of one day where we were
> able to get out and restock but there was slim pickings in the store and
> it was just grab what we could.
>
> Next to my stove, I have an extra Lazy Susan can holder and that is where
> I put food that is about to expire or food that I know I am going to use
> for that night's dinner. I also keep my honey bear in the middle of it
> because it looks cute and I use it at least weekly when I bake bread.
> There isn't much on that Lazy Susan now. Perhaps two cans of chicken
> broth, not because they are old but because I was using a lot of it.
> There had been a serving of dried pasta and a small can of tomato sauce.
> Neither was expired but needed to be used up by Feb. or March of next
> year. So you see... With my system, I try very hard to keep fresh food
> and use up the older stuff.
>
> I didn't have to go to these lengths when I lived in other places with a
> pantry. It was easy enough just to front face things and put the older
> things in the front. But that won't work for me now. I do have to go
> through the bean/rice/pasta cupboard 2-3 times a year, particularly
> because the bagged items tend to shift around and it just isn't the ideal sized cupboard.
>
> I have another shelving unit in the dining room that holds large things
> like bags of chips, cereal and crackers, although I don't keep a lot of
> those things. And a skinny little unit that is perfect for aerosol
> cheese, single serve snacks and beef jerky. And no, we don't eat a lot
> of aerosol cheese either but sometimes someone gets a hankering for it.
>
> So Jill's claim that I regularly throw out a lot of food is just very
> wrong. In fact I go to great lengths to avoid doing that. I did have to
> throw out a moldy citrus fruit last night though. Not sure where it had
> been. Husband put it on the cutting board. For all I know, he could have
> taken it out of the fridge some time ago. It was in a bread bag. He had
> an apple sitting on the table by his recliner for over a week. I assume
> that he finally ate it as it is no longer there.
>
> It's also a tad difficult to keep tabs on things when you live with other
> people. I only know for sure what *I* do. Sometimes they do things that
> I wouldn't. And I might not find out about them right away.

Clutter, hoarding and uncleanliness. There is the root of all your rat,
fruit fly and moldy food issues.
--
jinx the minx

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:32:06 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

> I'm leaning towards the troll conclusion. This pattern just repeats
> endlessly.

If she's troll, then she's the Troll Queen because she has had RFC
under her control for years... so bow down to the Troll Mistress.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:34:47 +1100, Xeno >
wrote:

> On 31/12/2014 12:07 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't find that the steamed have much flavor at all. Especially steamed
> >> potatoes!
> >
> > Steamed veggies give you the pure taste without loss of nutrients.
> > Most ppl season them a bit though. I have never heard of steaming
> > potatoes. Really?
> >
> I boil potatoes. I haven't tried steaming them.

I've taken to a blend of boil and steam for small (really small)
potatoes. I put them into a pot without a steamer basket and maybe
1/4 (definitely less than 1/2) inch water, put the cover on and steam
them. The water has mostly evaporated by the time I take the cover
off. That's when I toss in a chunk of butter and seasonings, put the
lid on and let them steam due to the heat of the pan. Sake the pan to
distribute seasonings and butter evenly.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/30/2014 9:33 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 31/12/2014 9:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 12/29/2014 11:34 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 30/12/2014 3:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Food is quite different. Nobody dies becase they cannot afford a
>>>>> ticket to
>>>>> Disneyland. Nobody dies because they can't play Blackjack. I believe
>>>>> wasting food, wantonly in your case, is just immoral. Sure, my fridge
>>>>> has
>>>>> seen spoiled food from time to time but I don't throw away entire
>>>>> cartloads
>>>>> of food because "I deceded I used to like it but now I don't - at
>>>>> least now
>>>>> I know" and then to complain that I can't afford to buy quality food.
>>>>> You
>>>>> can call it a problem but I see it as personal responsibility. People
>>>>> who
>>>>> respect food for 3hat it is and what it takes to produice it are not
>>>>> so
>>>>> quick to throw it away just because they can afford to.
>>>>>
>>>> Ah, so THIS is what the above discussion, the one I accidentally became
>>>> embroiled in, was all about! ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Apparently you are unaware she regularly throws food items away based on
>>> arbitrary expiration dates printed on packages and cans.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Such dates are indeed abitrary. I use stuff that is often long past its
>> best before date and even its use by date. Milk is about the one thing
>> that I am a bit fussy on as I have had cases where the milk in its
>> carton has been off upon opening BEFORE the use by date. These days, to
>> circumvent that, I reach into the back of the fridge in the supermarket
>> and grab the recent arrivals which have the latest expiry date.
>> Supermarket staff are told to "face up" the oldest stock. That means
>> earlier use by dates at the front.
>>
> She won't bother to read that, what she might read is the word "milk" and
> expound upon why she doesn't drink or cook with milk (or whatever dairy
> product).

Don't talk for me, Jill! I did read it and I responded.
>
> I always check the date on the jug of milk I'm buying. And yes, I take
> one from the back of the cooler. That's an old school shopping habit.
> Do you know the one about how to judge when store bought bread was baked
> by the the colour of the twist tie?

I always check it too and I keep some shelf stable milk out in my stockpile.
I don't however, buy store baked bread any more. What? You don't bake your
own bread? Seems that you would after you got on my case for buying frozen
vegetables!
>
> I figured out when they deliver milk to the nearest store so I can get it
> pretty much right when it's put in the cooler. I do look at the date but
> what I buy is always the freshest as can be for someone who lives very far
> from dairy country.

Okay...

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/30/2014 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't find that the steamed have much flavor at all. Especially
>>>>>> steamed
>>>>>> potatoes!
>>>>>
>>>>> Steamed veggies give you the pure taste without loss of nutrients.
>>>>> Most ppl season them a bit though. I have never heard of steaming
>>>>> potatoes. Really?
>>>>
>>>> Ordered steamed vegetables and brown rice in a restaurant and there
>>>> were
>>>> potatoes. None of the food seemed to be seasoned.
>>>>
>>> I doubt it would have mattered if there were no potatoes and there was >
>>> seasoning. Naturally you didn't send it back and order something else.
>>> > Try adding salt & pepper? Don't bother to answer. You will have been
>>>> out > to dinner and it was a restaurant you wouldn't have chosen and
>>>> that was > the only thing on the menu you thought you could eat...
>>
>> Correct. It was the only thing on the menu for me to eat. I can't
>> remember what kind of restaurant it was, but it was in Canada and it was
>> their only vegetarian option.
>>>
>>>> More recently I tried the frozen Cafe Steamers because many people said
>>>> how good they were. I suspect that those people don't cook. Tried the
>>>> potatoes and green beans. Yuck.
>>>
>>> There's half your problem. Frozen "Cafe Steamers". Buying a bag of >
>>> frozen steamed vegetables and heating them up is not the same as
>>> steaming > and *seasoning* fresh vegetables yourself. It's no wonder
>>> you find > steamed vegetables bland.
>>
>> I didn't say that they were bland. I said boring. I really do prefer
>> most veggies raw. Or roasted. I like those textures better.
>
> Or canned. Don't forget the canned veggies!

I meant for fresh vegetables. I do like most canned ones. Not asparagus
though or Veg All.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>>> On 12/30/2014 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't find that the steamed have much flavor at all. Especially
>>>>>>> steamed
>>>>>>> potatoes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steamed veggies give you the pure taste without loss of nutrients.
>>>>>> Most ppl season them a bit though. I have never heard of steaming
>>>>>> potatoes. Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ordered steamed vegetables and brown rice in a restaurant and there
>>>>> were
>>>>> potatoes. None of the food seemed to be seasoned.
>>>>>
>>>> I doubt it would have mattered if there were no potatoes and there was
>>>> seasoning. Naturally you didn't send it back and order something else.
>>>> Try adding salt & pepper? Don't bother to answer. You will have been
>>>> out to dinner and it was a restaurant you wouldn't have chosen and that
>>>> was the only thing on the menu you thought you could eat...
>>>>
>>>>> More recently I tried the frozen Cafe Steamers because many people
>>>>> said
>>>>> how good they were. I suspect that those people don't cook. Tried
>>>>> the
>>>>> potatoes and green beans. Yuck.
>>>>
>>>> There's half your problem. Frozen "Cafe Steamers". Buying a bag of
>>>> frozen steamed vegetables and heating them up is not the same as
>>>> steaming
>>>> and *seasoning* fresh vegetables yourself. It's no wonder you find
>>>> steamed vegetables bland.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> It's ironic that she differentiates "people that don't cook" as those
>>> who
>>> buy frozen premade dinners, yet here she is, always talking about all
>>> the
>>> crappy frozen premade foods she doesn't like, doesn't want, but bought
>>> because someone mentioned it and she had a coupon for it so it was
>>> cheap.
>>
>> Oh BS! I most certainly am not always talking about that. I just made
>> steaks and baked potatoes for husband and daughter. I did buy frozen
>> vegetables only because daughter wanted to try them. Cauliflower in
>> cheese sauce which I know that my husband likes and corn in butter sauce.
>> Also some garlic bread that was made by the store. Yeah, I know how to
>> make garlic bread.
>>
>> And now? I'm going to go make myself some Spanish rice. I might put
>> Rotel in it. Might not. Will depend on how it looks after I cut up the
>> peppers and onion. If not, I will use tomato sauce. And yes, I know how
>> to make tomato sauce but I am not making it now.
>>
>> Maybe you don't put any stock in what others say is good. I try to
>> listen to people. And it wasn't just one person who said that the Cafe
>> Steamers were good. It was dozens. They said that their kids loved
>> them. Mine didn't and neither did I. They had a very odd taste to them.
>
> No, no I don't put much stock in what others say is good if they're
> talking
> about premade frozen dinners. I don't feed my child meals out of boxes,
> frozen or not. I don't even think I've ever had a conversation with
> anyone about the goodness of any particular frozen TV dinner, let alone
> with dozens of people.

These were not dinners. They were just vegetables or a vegetable mix.
Okay, maybe I got the name wrong. I just looked up Cafe Steamers and they
do seem to be a Healthy Choice dinner. I never buy anything of that brand
and I rarely buy any sort of frozen dinner. These were just vegetables in a
bag and they steamed in the bag. I remember buying three of them. I bought
them at Target. They may have been on sale to where you needed to buy three
or perhaps my coupon was for three. I bought all three the same. Green
beans with potatoes.

Ah... Steamfresh. That's what they we

http://www.birdseye.com/vegetable-pr...-simple-blends

The beans and potatoes must not have been a winner as I no longer see them
listed. There is a bean and potato mix but they have a parmesan sauce and I
know that I wouldn't have bought that. What I bought was just vegetables.
And I didn't like them. I did have my chest freezer in those days though so
buying extra wasn't a problem. And husband will pretty much eat anything.
However, those were so vile I wouldn't try to serve them to anyone.

As for having TV dinner conversations... I have had them. And people have
had them here. Some people do like them. I used to love the Linda
McCartney line. Alas, they went the way of the wind very quickly but I was
able to buy a ton of them at Safeway for 10 cents each. That would have
been back in the late 70's or perhaps early 80's. I was young, single and
didn't have much money so they served me very well. And they were vegan!

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:34:47 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 31/12/2014 12:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>> > Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't find that the steamed have much flavor at all. Especially
>> >> steamed
>> >> potatoes!
>> >
>> > Steamed veggies give you the pure taste without loss of nutrients.
>> > Most ppl season them a bit though. I have never heard of steaming
>> > potatoes. Really?
>> >
>> I boil potatoes. I haven't tried steaming them.
>
> I've taken to a blend of boil and steam for small (really small)
> potatoes. I put them into a pot without a steamer basket and maybe
> 1/4 (definitely less than 1/2) inch water, put the cover on and steam
> them. The water has mostly evaporated by the time I take the cover
> off. That's when I toss in a chunk of butter and seasonings, put the
> lid on and let them steam due to the heat of the pan. Sake the pan to
> distribute seasonings and butter evenly.
>

I have done them like that but I like to add parsley, chives or even lemon.
I wouldn't call them steamed though.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/30/2014 10:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/30/2014 5:51 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 12/30/2014 3:59 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eating. They will likely get tossed out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you said
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I said was that your focusing on my possibly
>>>>>>>> throwing out part of a can of fried onions is no different than
>>>>>>>> somebody
>>>>>>>> else choosing to spend their money on gambling or a trip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See above. It's not 'part of a can', it's a can that you
>>>>>>> bought FOR
>>>>>>> YOUR OWN consumption yet don't intend to eat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . And I'm sure as heck not going to go out and find
>>>>>>>> some hungry person to give the onions to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you're not going to give your unwanted, uneaten impulse
>>>>>>> buy of
>>>>>>> canned onions to the food bank after all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Must be a record for how many times you contradict
>>>>>>> yourself in
>>>>>>> one conversation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Colour me confused but I can't imagine buying a can of fried onions
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> because it's something I *could* eat. Was it supposed to be a snack?
>>>>>> Ugh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, she might have found it inspirational to her writing (she is a
>>>>> writer
>>>>> . . .), since she placed it next to her computer. I have no canned
>>>>> foods
>>>>> next to my computer, you?
>>>>
>>>> You never know when you're going to be taken hostage by a kidnapper
>>>> raccoon. Then you'd be glad of those emergency rations.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It never occurred to me to stock up on canned fried onions in case of
>>> emergency. Damn! Now I have to put them on my shopping list. Better
>>> yet, I'll order a case of them online. Whew! Crisis averted. :-D
>>
>> You people have got to be nutty buddy or something! I bought one lousy
>> $2.00 can of them! I did buy two containers of the French's.
>
> Make up your mind, did you buy one or three containers?

Can you read? I bought one of the Pik Nik. It appears to be larger than
the French's. I bought two of those for green bean casserole. When I
bought the Pik Nik, I wasn't really sure what they would be like. I was
asssuming they would be like their potato sticks but with onion. Nope.
>
>> They
>> don't come in a can.
>
> Semantics. It is a vacuum sealed container. Also known as a cannister,
> aka a "can".
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ol3fqxd
>
I don't think it is vacuum sealed. Okay... I see that they now refer to
them as being in a stay fresh can, even though it is plastic with a
plastic/foil seal.

>> I thought the Pik Nik ones might be different and
>> would be good for a snack. I'm not sure how different they are but they
>> are very, very oniony so not something I want for a snack. The
>> remaining container of French's will be used for another green bean
>> casserole on some week when the other ingredients are in my CSA
>> package. Whenever that may be.
>
> Ai yai yai yai yai. First you said you bought one "lousy" can of Pik Nik
> (never heard of it brand) fried onions (for "snacking) now we're up to you
> have three cans of fried onions to deal with. Knock yourself out with the
> canned fried onions. It must suck to be you.

Two different things Jill. Do try to keep up!

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Xeno" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> On 30/12/2014 7:48 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:12:26 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:11:54 -0800, "Paul M. Cook"
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are so frugal. What can I say.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They cost all of $2.00.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us see wanton waste of food to be immoral especially in
>>>>>>>>>>>> a world
>>>>>>>>>>>> where too many people go without. So fine, you now know you
>>>>>>>>>>>> "can" eat fried
>>>>>>>>>>>> onions. And what you throw away is enough calories to sustain
>>>>>>>>>>>> a person who
>>>>>>>>>>>> has not the luxury to fill entire dumpsters with food that they
>>>>>>>>>>>> do not care
>>>>>>>>>>>> to consume and then complain about how they cannot afford to
>>>>>>>>>>>> eat well.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep. Julie is well-trained consumer - throws out food for all
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> valid reasons. I'll bet she's also good at buying unnecessary
>>>>>>>>>>> non-food
>>>>>>>>>>> items too, and her garbage bin is full each week with plastic.
>>>>>>>>>>> She is
>>>>>>>>>>> the very antithesis of how I live.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you were the Man of Nature you pretend to be, you wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>> be sitting behind your computer, bitching about other people in a
>>>>>>>>>> newsgroup
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have no clue who posted the above but it isn't true. And plastic
>>>>>>>> is recyclable. My garbage bin isn't full every week. It is this
>>>>>>>> week but we did have Christmas and we did get a lot of gifts, some
>>>>>>>> of which came with packings that were not recyclable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But seriously... Why do people focus on food waste? There is
>>>>>>>> waste all around us! How many people got one or more gifts for
>>>>>>>> Christmas that they have no want or need for? I'm sure there are
>>>>>>>> some. Why didn't you just tell the person who gave you the gift to
>>>>>>>> take that money instead and feed the poor!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many people went out and bought a newer/bigger/better TV when
>>>>>>>> they already had one that worked just fine?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For that matter... Why don't we all just live on beans and rice
>>>>>>>> with an occasional orange or tomato thrown in for vitamin C? A
>>>>>>>> little bread once in a while for additional vitamins. Why bother
>>>>>>>> to make sauces or use spices or seasonings? Sure, the food won't
>>>>>>>> taste as good but it will sustain us. And it will be cheap!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's all live as frugally as humanly possible. Let's all sell our
>>>>>>>> houses and give the money to charity. We can ride bikes to get
>>>>>>>> where we need to go and limit where we go to only necessary places.
>>>>>>>> We can give up our phones, computers, all devices! Save as much
>>>>>>>> money as possible and give it to the poor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh hey! We could all be Socialists! Right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now shut up about my $2 can of onions. Oh and I was wrong about
>>>>>>>> the brand. They're Pik Nik and not Durkee. Sorry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lamest form of argument is to create false equivalences and then
>>>>>>> demand the other side defend them as if that was their point in the
>>>>>>> first place..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not false at all. Why focus on food?
>>>>>
>>>>> Food is different. For obvious reasons. Waste not, want not - used
>>>>> to be a common expression. If you have ever experienced hunger you'd
>>>>> know the misery it is.
>>>>
>>>> And again... *My* tossing out some onions isn't going to affect
>>>> those who are hungry one way or another. And I'm sure there are many.
>>>
>>> It's all about the attitude. Think globally, act locally.
>>>
>>>> But food really is no different. If everyone would do something for
>>>> themselves to save money and then give that money to the needy, that
>>>> would help. But a lot of people won't do this so...
>>>
>>> Food is different.
>>
>> You just keep telling yourself that.
>
> You are an immoral slob. I call it as I see it.

I don't really care how you call it. Your opinion is meaningless to me as I
don't have a very high opinion of you!

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>>> On 12/30/2014 3:59 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I
>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about
>>>>>>>>>>>> eating. They will likely get tossed out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you said
>>>>>
>>>>>> What I said was that your focusing on my possibly
>>>>>> throwing out part of a can of fried onions is no different than >>>>
>>>>>> somebody
>>>>>> else choosing to spend their money on gambling or a trip.
>>>>>
>>>>> See above. It's not 'part of a can', it's a can that you bought
>>>>> FOR
>>>>> YOUR OWN consumption yet don't intend to eat
>>>>>
>>>>> . And I'm sure as heck not going to go out and find
>>>>>> some hungry person to give the onions to.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you're not going to give your unwanted, uneaten impulse buy of
>>>>> canned onions to the food bank after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Must be a record for how many times you contradict yourself
>>>>> in
>>>>> one conversation
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Colour me confused but I can't imagine buying a can of fried onions
>>>> just
>>>> because it's something I *could* eat. Was it supposed to be a snack?
>>>> >> Ugh.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Buying them to eat as a snack may be the grossest thing I've ever heard.
>>> Leave it to Julie!
>>
>> I don't eat a lot of snacks. But when I do they are usually olives or
>> pickles. Sometimes nuts.
>
> Don't forget the popcorn, carb queen.

I'm hardly a carb queen and I can no longer eat corn in any form. I make
popping sorghum now but that's a planned snack. I am diabetic and I do have
one planned snack before bed. I do eat that daily but since I only eat two
meals a day, that's fine. It's the unplanned snacks that I rarely eat.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/30/2014 10:49 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/30/2014 7:28 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>>>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>> On 12/30/2014 3:59 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a can of Durkee onions sitting by my computer. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bought them only because I saw that I could eat them. Do I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat them? Not really. Not that there's anything wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They taste just fine. Just not something I'd ever think about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eating. They will likely get tossed out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, that's your problem then. I do give to the food bank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you said
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I said was that your focusing on my possibly
>>>>>>> throwing out part of a can of fried onions is no different than
>>>>>>> somebody
>>>>>>> else choosing to spend their money on gambling or a trip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See above. It's not 'part of a can', it's a can that you
>>>>>> bought FOR
>>>>>> YOUR OWN consumption yet don't intend to eat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> . And I'm sure as heck not going to go out and find
>>>>>>> some hungry person to give the onions to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you're not going to give your unwanted, uneaten impulse buy
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> canned onions to the food bank after all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Must be a record for how many times you contradict
>>>>>> yourself in
>>>>>> one conversation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Colour me confused but I can't imagine buying a can of fried onions
>>>>> just
>>>>> because it's something I *could* eat. Was it supposed to be a
>>>>> snack? Ugh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> Buying them to eat as a snack may be the grossest thing I've ever
>>>> heard.
>>>> Leave it to Julie!
>>>>
>>> It sounds pretty ridiculous. I don't care what brand she actually
>>> bought, canned fried onions have never been touted as a snack food.
>>> Then again, to buy them just because she found them is also silly.
>>
>> Why not? People eat onion rings, onion flavored potato chips and
>> Funyons as a snack. Onion flavored crackers as well. How would these
>> be so different? I have eaten bacon bits as a snack. Even bits of pot
>> roast. Even a piece of cold pasta from a bowl of pasta salad. Anything
>> eaten between meals is a snack.
>
> Yet you're the person who bought canned fried onions, not onion chips or
> crackers or Funyun's. (I really don't want to hear about why you couldn't
> eat Funyun's.)
>
> Maybe I'm crazy, I don't think I am. Most folks don't buy canned fried
> onions to eat as snacks. That's pretty far out there and has to be on the
> worst end of "I think this would taste good" I've ever heard of.
> Seriously.

Golly gee Jill! Do I...me with the fancy eyeglasses...look to you to be the
kind of person who cares what most folks do? Most folks probably don't have
multiple food intolerances either. I don't really care what *you* think
either!

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "Xeno" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 31/12/2014 9:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 12/29/2014 11:34 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 30/12/2014 3:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Food is quite different. Nobody dies becase they cannot afford a
>>>>>> ticket to
>>>>>> Disneyland. Nobody dies because they can't play Blackjack. I
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> wasting food, wantonly in your case, is just immoral. Sure, my
>>>>>> fridge
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> seen spoiled food from time to time but I don't throw away entire
>>>>>> cartloads
>>>>>> of food because "I deceded I used to like it but now I don't - at
>>>>>> least now
>>>>>> I know" and then to complain that I can't afford to buy quality food.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>> can call it a problem but I see it as personal responsibility.
>>>>>> People
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> respect food for 3hat it is and what it takes to produice it are not
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> quick to throw it away just because they can afford to.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, so THIS is what the above discussion, the one I accidentally
>>>>> became
>>>>> embroiled in, was all about! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Apparently you are unaware she regularly throws food items away based
>>>> on
>>>> arbitrary expiration dates printed on packages and cans.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Such dates are indeed abitrary. I use stuff that is often long past its
>>> > best before date and even its use by date. Milk is about the one thing
>>>> > that I am a bit fussy on as I have had cases where the milk in its
>>>>> carton > has been off upon opening BEFORE the use by date. These days,
>>>>> to > circumvent that, I reach into the back of the fridge in the
>>>>> supermarket > and grab the recent arrivals which have the latest
>>>>> expiry date. > Supermarket staff are told to "face up" the oldest
>>>>> stock. That means > earlier use by dates at the front.
>>
>> I don't know that they're arbitrary. Nuts past the date can be rancid.
>> Chips can taste stale. As can crackers. And no, I'm not going to try to
>> recrisp them in the oven like people did when I was a kid. I had some
>> free soda that I took with me on Christmas Eve that had expired in Nov.
>> I thought it would be okay. It wasn't. Usually what happens with old
>> stuff containing Aspartame is that it takes on an odd flavor. But this
>> had a weak flavor and it was flat. Probably wouldn't have hurt me to
>> drink it but wasn't pleasant either.
>>
>> And Jill is wrong about my regularly throwing things out although I do
>> try to go through my cupboards and stockpile often and get any old food
>> out of there. I didn't used to have a stockpile and that's where I ran
>> into trouble. I have no pantry. And I have insufficient cupboards. I
>> have small ones for things like oil and spices. An upper, small one for
>> beans, rice and pasta. And two lower Lazy Susan types for baking things
>> and canned goods. That's where I ran into trouble. There is no way to
>> properly put things there in an organized fashion. So things might fall
>> behind and I might find something old. Like the cans of mushrooms with
>> no dates on them that had literally exploded in there.
>>
>> Now I have a shelving unit out in my garage for canned goods and I do buy
>> quite a lot of certain things at a time to take advantage of sales. Most
>> canned goods last a year or two if not more. And we all love canned
>> green beans, peas and black olives among other things. So it makes sense
>> for me to buy them when the price is low.
>>
>> I have several Lazy Susans on those shelves that are designed
>> specifically for cans. They are a little fussy and I do have to be
>> careful not to whip them around or a can could fly off. But it allows me
>> to easily see the dates on there and nothing is going to get pushed off
>> somewhere where I won't notice it. And because the bulk of the food is
>> kept out there, I can use the Lazy Susan cupboard in the house to keep
>> one or two of each kind of food. So, convenient for me. If I need
>> something, it is usually there. And if I use it up, I just put it on my
>> shopping list or if I have it in the garage, I get it from there. There
>> are some things I don't keep a large stock of, like canned carrots or
>> black eyed peas. But I do like to keep a can of each thing (if not more)
>> through the winter. We were once snowed in, pretty much for two weeks.
>> We had back to back storms and there was part of one day where we were
>> able to get out and restock but there was slim pickings in the store and
>> it was just grab what we could.
>>
>> Next to my stove, I have an extra Lazy Susan can holder and that is where
>> I put food that is about to expire or food that I know I am going to use
>> for that night's dinner. I also keep my honey bear in the middle of it
>> because it looks cute and I use it at least weekly when I bake bread.
>> There isn't much on that Lazy Susan now. Perhaps two cans of chicken
>> broth, not because they are old but because I was using a lot of it.
>> There had been a serving of dried pasta and a small can of tomato sauce.
>> Neither was expired but needed to be used up by Feb. or March of next
>> year. So you see... With my system, I try very hard to keep fresh food
>> and use up the older stuff.
>>
>> I didn't have to go to these lengths when I lived in other places with a
>> pantry. It was easy enough just to front face things and put the older
>> things in the front. But that won't work for me now. I do have to go
>> through the bean/rice/pasta cupboard 2-3 times a year, particularly
>> because the bagged items tend to shift around and it just isn't the ideal
>> sized cupboard.
>>
>> I have another shelving unit in the dining room that holds large things
>> like bags of chips, cereal and crackers, although I don't keep a lot of
>> those things. And a skinny little unit that is perfect for aerosol
>> cheese, single serve snacks and beef jerky. And no, we don't eat a lot
>> of aerosol cheese either but sometimes someone gets a hankering for it.
>>
>> So Jill's claim that I regularly throw out a lot of food is just very
>> wrong. In fact I go to great lengths to avoid doing that. I did have to
>> throw out a moldy citrus fruit last night though. Not sure where it had
>> been. Husband put it on the cutting board. For all I know, he could have
>> taken it out of the fridge some time ago. It was in a bread bag. He had
>> an apple sitting on the table by his recliner for over a week. I assume
>> that he finally ate it as it is no longer there.
>>
>> It's also a tad difficult to keep tabs on things when you live with other
>> people. I only know for sure what *I* do. Sometimes they do things that
>> I wouldn't. And I might not find out about them right away.
>
> Clutter, hoarding and uncleanliness. There is the root of all your rat,
> fruit fly and moldy food issues.

Liar! Yes, I have had fruit fly problems but so have a lot of people. I
explained how my stockpile works. It's not cluttered. I even went so far
as to buy the can Lazy Susans. And it certainly is not unclean.

And we have a rat problem because this was farm county. When they tore down
the farms near here, the rats moved this way. I also have neighbors who
feed their animals outdoors. That currently isn't illegal but they are
working on making it so. There isn't a thing I can do about that. So yes,
there are rats in the area and Terminex now comes quarterly. I had them
coming monthly but there is no need for that now.

Some sort of rodent was found in a trap the last time they came but I am
sure that it came from the neighbor's yard. The man who used to own that
house *was* a hoarder and the back yard was horrible. I contacted the city
and they did clean up the yard once. The new owner hadn't been much better
in terms of the yard but he did contact me and said that he was going to
clean it up. The rat was found a few days after he did that. The grass was
over 5 feet tall. And I am not kidding. And no, that is apparently not a
violation here. But throwing construction parts in the back yard is a
violation and that's what the former owner did.

You should hook up with Jill. The two of you would get along just fine!
Sitting there talking about how perfect you are and how horrible and messed
up everyone else is.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:32:06 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>> I'm leaning towards the troll conclusion. This pattern just repeats
>> endlessly.
>
> If she's troll, then she's the Troll Queen because she has had RFC
> under her control for years... so bow down to the Troll Mistress.

I guess so. It's weird.