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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 14:02:18 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW > > wrote: > >> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 1:10:57 PM UTC-6, Kalmia wrote: >> > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:03:18 AM UTC-5, Bryan-TGWWW wrote: >> > > On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:24:29 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > I did not buy much human food at all because I was just unwilling >> > > > to pay >> > > > their prices. >> > > >> > > Then maybe that obese turdlet can shed some of the fat you allowed >> > > her to >> > > accumulate. She should hate you for allowing THIS: >> > > http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >> > > >> > > --Bryan >> > >> > What kind of an idiot parent blasts her daughter's name, date of birth >> > and photo for every nutjob to peruse? >> > >> Well, *that's* not the problem. I mean, I can hardly imagine anyone >> finding >> her attractive. > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and every mother loves her child > no matter what they look like. Your mother loved you. >> > >> > I really feel sorry to the daughter now and blame the father too for >> allowing this for the world to see. >> > >> It's been out there for a few years. >> > How does that make what you did okay? For all I know, *he* put the website up. I certainly didn't! |
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![]() > wrote in message ... > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:25:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote: >> >> > > > > http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >> > > It's been out there for a few years. >> > >> How does that make what you did okay? >> >> > Julie put her daughter out there for people to gawk at, it's not Bryan's > fault because she made this site and then throws her under the bus in > dozens of posts over the years. I have never had a website at Frontier. I have had websites prior. I would urge people here not to click on anything there. I have no clue what it is. Someone has obviously taken a page that I had put up 4 years ago on Verizon but beyond that, I have no clue. |
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On 1/4/2015 1:52 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > Not so good for cats. Better they eat a good dry food. Tuna also has a lot > of mercury in it. > Who cares about cats - is canned tuna safe for humans?! > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > |
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On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:23:20 PM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Kalmia" > wrote in message > ... > > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:03:18 AM UTC-5, Bryan-TGWWW wrote: > >> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:24:29 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > I did not buy much human food at all because I was just unwilling to > >> > pay > >> > their prices. > >> > >> Then maybe that obese turdlet can shed some of the fat you allowed her to > >> accumulate. She should hate you for allowing THIS: > >> http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm > >> > >> --Bryan > > > > What kind of an idiot parent blasts her daughter's name, date of birth and > > photo for every nutjob to peruse? > > > > I really feel sorry to the daughter now and blame the father too for > > allowing this for the world to see. > > I don't know what that is that Bryan posted. I had a website years ago. I > don't have one now and certainly not at Frontier. Julie...admit it...those are your PAGES...so don't keep denying that you had anything to do with the production of same. If they are on another site it doesn't excuse your involvement. Frontier or whatever...they are out there so make the best of it. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > wrote in message > ... >> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:25:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote: >>> >>>>>>> http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >>>>> It's been out there for a few years. >>>> >>> How does that make what you did okay? >>> >>> >> Julie put her daughter out there for people to gawk at, it's not Bryan's >> > fault because she made this site and then throws her under the bus in >>> > dozens of posts over the years. > > I have never had a website at Frontier. I have had websites prior. I > would urge people here not to click on anything there. I have no clue > what it is. Someone has obviously taken a page that I had put up 4 years > ago on Verizon but beyond that, I have no clue. Frontier took over some Verizon landline services in some states a few years ago, hence the domain name change. Nobody maliciously took your page and put your stuff up on a new page. It's YOUR page. -- jinx the minx |
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> > > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:03:18 AM UTC-5, Bryan-TGWWW wrote: http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm > > I don't know what that is that Bryan posted. LOOK at it. It's your own website. I had a website years ago. I > don't have one now and certainly not at Frontier. You're still posting from frontier and that link IS your website. Janet UK |
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![]() "Roy" > wrote in message ... > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:23:20 PM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote: >> "Kalmia" > wrote in message >> ... >> > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:03:18 AM UTC-5, Bryan-TGWWW wrote: >> >> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:24:29 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I did not buy much human food at all because I was just unwilling to >> >> > pay >> >> > their prices. >> >> >> >> Then maybe that obese turdlet can shed some of the fat you allowed her >> >> to >> >> accumulate. She should hate you for allowing THIS: >> >> http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >> >> >> >> --Bryan >> > >> > What kind of an idiot parent blasts her daughter's name, date of birth >> > and >> > photo for every nutjob to peruse? >> > >> > I really feel sorry to the daughter now and blame the father too for >> > allowing this for the world to see. >> >> I don't know what that is that Bryan posted. I had a website years ago. >> I >> don't have one now and certainly not at Frontier. > > Julie...admit it...those are your PAGES...so don't keep denying that you > had anything to do with the production of same. If they are on another > site it doesn't excuse your involvement. Frontier or whatever...they are > out there so make the best of it. I have never housed any pages at Frontier. Therefore I will not look beyond the initial page and I didn't even want to do that. I would urge others not to look either. If they do and something happens to their computer, don't say that I didn't warn you. I have no clue what is there. I have had a website in the past. I didn't switch it over when Verizon switched to Frontier. I have Facebook now so there is no need whatever for me to have a website. I didn't even put the FTP software on this computer and I haven't kept up with technology so I don't even have a clue how to put one up now. The method I was using was outdated but it is what I taught myself to do. What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in the 11th grade now. |
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![]() "jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:25:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >>>>>> It's been out there for a few years. >>>>> >>>> How does that make what you did okay? >>>> >>>> >>> Julie put her daughter out there for people to gawk at, it's not Bryan's >>> > fault because she made this site and then throws her under the bus in >>>> > dozens of posts over the years. >> >> I have never had a website at Frontier. I have had websites prior. I >> would urge people here not to click on anything there. I have no clue >> what it is. Someone has obviously taken a page that I had put up 4 years >> ago on Verizon but beyond that, I have no clue. > > Frontier took over some Verizon landline services in some states a few > years ago, hence the domain name change. Nobody maliciously took your > page > and put your stuff up on a new page. It's YOUR page. Uh. No. Perhaps it *was* my page. I only looked at the one page where it said that Angela was in the 7th grade. She's in the 11th grade now. So whatever is there, is old information. Frontier took over for all of Verizon in this area except perhaps for the wireless. I think I have seen some Verizon wireless stores. I also had a website at Redshift which I haven't had in many, many years. I don't know if it is still up or not. But for many years if you googled my name, you'd see that. You'll also see me listed at a diabetes website that for whatever reason is still up but that's very old information too. The webmaster disappeared years ago and nobody knows what happened to him. I looked up person the other day and she has several websites that are still out there and yet she died back in 2009. The mere fact that something is on the Internet doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. |
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![]() "Janet" > wrote in message t... > In article >, says... >> > >> > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:03:18 AM UTC-5, Bryan-TGWWW wrote: > > > http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm > >> >> I don't know what that is that Bryan posted. > > LOOK at it. It's your own website. > > I had a website years ago. I >> don't have one now and certainly not at Frontier. > > You're still posting from frontier and that link IS your website. Wrong. I do not have a daughter who is in the 7th grade. She is in the 11th grade. The link that I saw posted was an old website and how it got to Frontier is beyond me. I never FTPed anything to them. And if they started a website with my name on it, they never informed me of it. |
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![]() "Bruce" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 15:52:29 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" > > wrote: > >> >>"dsi1" > wrote in message ... >>> On 1/3/2015 5:24 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> I was rather shocked today at Albertsons. This is a store that I don't >>>> shop at regularly any more now that I don't have to go to the dance >>>> studio very often. I mainly only went there to walk around some so I >>>> wasn't stuck sitting for hours. I might or might not have bought >>>> anything. But I took my mom there today because she prefers them. >>>> >>>> I needed cat food. Have been buying the Fancy Feast Broth for my cats >>>> and usually paid around $1.00 per pouch, managing to get them on sale >>>> and/or had a coupon for them. But Albertson's price? $1.39 per pouch. >>>> Ouch! I did buy a few just to get them through the next few days and >>>> also a few cans of some new Purina stuff. I only hope that some store >>>> has these on sale soon. Not all stores carry these and I have yet to >>>> find a good deal online for them. >>> >>> My wife is using my cans of tuna that I've gotten from Costco to feed >>> our >>> stupid cat. What a travesty! >> >>Not so good for cats. Better they eat a good dry food. Tuna also has a >>lot >>of mercury in it. > > Just dry food is bad for their kidneys. Not necessarily. I've had vets tell me to only feed dry food and of course water. But if the cat is going into kidney failure then dry food is not advised. My cats get both kinds of food. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message > ... >> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>> > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:25:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >>>>>>> It's been out there for a few years. >>>>>> >>>>> How does that make what you did okay? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Julie put her daughter out there for people to gawk at, it's not Bryan's >>>>> fault because she made this site and then throws her under the bus in >>>>>> dozens of posts over the years. >>> >>> I have never had a website at Frontier. I have had websites prior. I >>> would urge people here not to click on anything there. I have no clue >>> what it is. Someone has obviously taken a page that I had put up 4 years >>> ago on Verizon but beyond that, I have no clue. >> >> Frontier took over some Verizon landline services in some states a few >> years ago, hence the domain name change. Nobody maliciously took your > page >> and put your stuff up on a new page. It's YOUR page. > > Uh. No. Perhaps it *was* my page. I only looked at the one page where > it said that Angela was in the 7th grade. She's in the 11th grade now. > So whatever is there, is old information. > > Frontier took over for all of Verizon in this area except perhaps for the > wireless. I think I have seen some Verizon wireless stores. > > I also had a website at Redshift which I haven't had in many, many years. > I don't know if it is still up or not. But for many years if you > googled my name, you'd see that. You'll also see me listed at a diabetes > website that for whatever reason is still up but that's very old > information too. The webmaster disappeared years ago and nobody knows > what happened to him. > > I looked up person the other day and she has several websites that are > still out there and yet she died back in 2009. The mere fact that > something is on the Internet doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. Does it matter if it's outdated? It's still *your* page even if you've abandoned it. The rest of your inane response is irrelevant. -- jinx the minx |
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On 1/4/2015 9:36 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > I have never housed any pages at Frontier. Therefore I will not look > beyond the initial page and I didn't even want to do that. I would urge > others not to look either. > > What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in the > 11th grade now. Julie, you sound like you don't want us to see your daughter at a younger age. Nothing to be ashamed of. |
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![]() "jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >> ... >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>>> > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:25:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >>>>>>>> It's been out there for a few years. >>>>>>> >>>>>> How does that make what you did okay? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Julie put her daughter out there for people to gawk at, it's not >>>>> Bryan's >>>>>> fault because she made this site and then throws her under the bus in >>>>>>> dozens of posts over the years. >>>> >>>> I have never had a website at Frontier. I have had websites prior. I >>>> would urge people here not to click on anything there. I have no clue >>>> what it is. Someone has obviously taken a page that I had put up 4 >>>> years >>>> ago on Verizon but beyond that, I have no clue. >>> >>> Frontier took over some Verizon landline services in some states a few >>> years ago, hence the domain name change. Nobody maliciously took your > >>> page >>> and put your stuff up on a new page. It's YOUR page. >> >> Uh. No. Perhaps it *was* my page. I only looked at the one page where >> it said that Angela was in the 7th grade. She's in the 11th grade now. >> So whatever is there, is old information. >> >> Frontier took over for all of Verizon in this area except perhaps for the >> wireless. I think I have seen some Verizon wireless stores. >> >> I also had a website at Redshift which I haven't had in many, many years. >> I don't know if it is still up or not. But for many years if you >> googled my name, you'd see that. You'll also see me listed at a diabetes >> website that for whatever reason is still up but that's very old >> information too. The webmaster disappeared years ago and nobody knows >> what happened to him. >> >> I looked up person the other day and she has several websites that are >> still out there and yet she died back in 2009. The mere fact that >> something is on the Internet doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. > > Does it matter if it's outdated? It's still *your* page even if you've > abandoned it. The rest of your inane response is irrelevant. Actually, no it isn't. I am not maintaining it and I have no access to do so. |
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![]() "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 1/4/2015 9:36 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> > > >> I have never housed any pages at Frontier. Therefore I will not look >> beyond the initial page and I didn't even want to do that. I would urge >> others not to look either. >> >> What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in the >> 11th grade now. > > Julie, you sound like you don't want us to see your daughter at a younger > age. Nothing to be ashamed of. I am not ashamed. But I also don't know anything about that website. I did not put it up and I have never housed a site at Frontier. Therefore I take no responsibility for whatever content is there and I'm also not going to go poking around on it. For all I know there could be a virus there. I'm not saying that there is but I also don't know anything about that site and I didn't put anything there. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > ... >> On 1/4/2015 9:36 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >> >> >>> I have never housed any pages at Frontier. Therefore I will not look >>> beyond the initial page and I didn't even want to do that. I would urge >>> others not to look either. >>> >>> What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in the >>> 11th grade now. >> >> Julie, you sound like you don't want us to see your daughter at a >> younger > age. Nothing to be ashamed of. > > I am not ashamed. But I also don't know anything about that website. I > did not put it up and I have never housed a site at Frontier. Therefore > I take no responsibility for whatever content is there and I'm also not > going to go poking around on it. For all I know there could be a virus > there. I'm not saying that there is but I also don't know anything about > that site and I didn't put anything there. So say that's true. As a parent to a minor child, do you really want to run the risk some stranger or whomever is putting up information and pictures about your own child?! Isn't that a greater risk than some potential computer virus?! And you just sit back and don't check it out?! You are something else!!! As a parent to a minor child myself I am APPALLED at your apathy!! I already told you exactly how your information changed from Verizon to Frontier, so you have no legitimate excuse for not checking it out. I feel sorry for your kid. -- jinx the minx |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message > ... >> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>>>> > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:25:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >>>>>>>>> It's been out there for a few years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> How does that make what you did okay? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Julie put her daughter out there for people to gawk at, it's not >>>>> Bryan's >>>>>>> fault because she made this site and then throws her under the bus in >>>>>>>> dozens of posts over the years. >>>>> >>>>> I have never had a website at Frontier. I have had websites prior. I >>>>> would urge people here not to click on anything there. I have no clue >>>>> what it is. Someone has obviously taken a page that I had put up 4 >>>> years >>>>> ago on Verizon but beyond that, I have no clue. >>>> >>>> Frontier took over some Verizon landline services in some states a few >>>> years ago, hence the domain name change. Nobody maliciously took your > >>> page >>>> and put your stuff up on a new page. It's YOUR page. >>> >>> Uh. No. Perhaps it *was* my page. I only looked at the one page where >>> it said that Angela was in the 7th grade. She's in the 11th grade now. >>> So whatever is there, is old information. >>> >>> Frontier took over for all of Verizon in this area except perhaps for the >>> wireless. I think I have seen some Verizon wireless stores. >>> >>> I also had a website at Redshift which I haven't had in many, many years. >>> I don't know if it is still up or not. But for many years if you >>> googled my name, you'd see that. You'll also see me listed at a diabetes >>> website that for whatever reason is still up but that's very old >>> information too. The webmaster disappeared years ago and nobody knows >>> what happened to him. >>> >>> I looked up person the other day and she has several websites that are >>> still out there and yet she died back in 2009. The mere fact that >>> something is on the Internet doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. >> >> Does it matter if it's outdated? It's still *your* page even if you've >> abandoned it. The rest of your inane response is irrelevant. > > Actually, no it isn't. I am not maintaining it and I have no access to do so. But it's still YOUR page and YOUR daughter's information for all the world to see. Just because you don't maintain it, didn't take it down or convert it doesn't make it any less your page. Don't try and fool anyone that someone else somehow took your pictures and created a "new" website with them. And for the record, there is information on Verizon's website about where to go to delete those old websites. You're just too lazy to do it. Meanwhile, there's your underage daughter's name, birthdate and pictures for all the world to find. -- jinx the minx |
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![]() "jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >> ... >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>>>>> > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:25:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >>>>>>>>>> It's been out there for a few years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How does that make what you did okay? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Julie put her daughter out there for people to gawk at, it's not >>>>>>> >>>>> Bryan's >>>>>>>> fault because she made this site and then throws her under the bus >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> dozens of posts over the years. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have never had a website at Frontier. I have had websites prior. >>>>>> I >>>>>> would urge people here not to click on anything there. I have no >>>>>> clue >>>>>> what it is. Someone has obviously taken a page that I had put up 4 >>>>>> >>>> years >>>>>> ago on Verizon but beyond that, I have no clue. >>>>> >>>>> Frontier took over some Verizon landline services in some states a few >>>>> years ago, hence the domain name change. Nobody maliciously took your >>>>> > >>> page >>>>> and put your stuff up on a new page. It's YOUR page. >>>> >>>> Uh. No. Perhaps it *was* my page. I only looked at the one page >>>> where >>>> it said that Angela was in the 7th grade. She's in the 11th grade now. >>>> So whatever is there, is old information. >>>> >>>> Frontier took over for all of Verizon in this area except perhaps for >>>> the >>>> wireless. I think I have seen some Verizon wireless stores. >>>> >>>> I also had a website at Redshift which I haven't had in many, many >>>> years. >>>> I don't know if it is still up or not. But for many years if you >>>> googled my name, you'd see that. You'll also see me listed at a >>>> diabetes >>>> website that for whatever reason is still up but that's very old >>>> information too. The webmaster disappeared years ago and nobody knows >>>> what happened to him. >>>> >>>> I looked up person the other day and she has several websites that are >>>> still out there and yet she died back in 2009. The mere fact that >>>> something is on the Internet doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. >>> >>> Does it matter if it's outdated? It's still *your* page even if you've >>> abandoned it. The rest of your inane response is irrelevant. >> >> Actually, no it isn't. I am not maintaining it and I have no access to >> do so. > > But it's still YOUR page and YOUR daughter's information for all the world > to see. Just because you don't maintain it, didn't take it down or convert > it doesn't make it any less your page. Don't try and fool anyone that > someone else somehow took your pictures and created a "new" website with > them. And for the record, there is information on Verizon's website about > where to go to delete those old websites. You're just too lazy to do it. > Meanwhile, there's your underage daughter's name, birthdate and pictures > for all the world to find. I didn't take it down because I never put it up!!!! I admit that I used to have a website. I will not look at *that* website because I did not do it. Therefore I have no clue what content is there or if it is even safe. When I did have a site up and running, I did have pics on it. I am not ashamed or embarrassed about anything that was on there and I had everyone's permission to put the pics up. If you have a problem with that, I don't care. Countless other people have done the same thing. Stick a fork in it. |
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![]() "jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 1/4/2015 9:36 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>>> I have never housed any pages at Frontier. Therefore I will not look >>>> beyond the initial page and I didn't even want to do that. I would >>>> urge >>>> others not to look either. >>>> >>>> What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in the >>>> 11th grade now. >>> >>> Julie, you sound like you don't want us to see your daughter at a >>> younger > age. Nothing to be ashamed of. >> >> I am not ashamed. But I also don't know anything about that website. I >> did not put it up and I have never housed a site at Frontier. Therefore >> I take no responsibility for whatever content is there and I'm also not >> going to go poking around on it. For all I know there could be a virus >> there. I'm not saying that there is but I also don't know anything about >> that site and I didn't put anything there. > > So say that's true. As a parent to a minor child, do you really want to > run > the risk some stranger or whomever is putting up information and pictures > about your own child?! Isn't that a greater risk than some potential > computer virus?! And you just sit back and don't check it out?! You are > something else!!! As a parent to a minor child myself I am APPALLED at > your apathy!! I already told you exactly how your information changed > from > Verizon to Frontier, so you have no legitimate excuse for not checking it > out. I feel sorry for your kid. I actually feel sorry for you because you are pretty screwed up. So somebody put up old information. So? Like I said... Used to be when I searched for my name I got an old website that was housed at Redshift. And I said that I searched for the name of a person who died in 2009. Some of her old websites are still up too. That's kind of how the Internet works. I can't explain the Frontier thing but I'm also not going to waste my time on it except to tell people here that I didn't do it. How Bryan came up with it, I do not know. For all I know, he could have done it. Just don't click on it is all that I have to say on that matter. |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 19:42:11 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote: > On 2015-01-04 6:51 PM, wrote: > > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:25:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote: > >> > >>>>>> http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm > >>>> It's been out there for a few years. > >>> > >> How does that make what you did okay? > >> > >> > > Julie put her daughter out there for people to gawk at, it's not > > Bryan's fault because she made this site and then throws her under > > the bus in dozens of posts over the years. > > > > Yep. She sure did. This is the girl that Julie claims is a dancer. With > all due respects.. oh never mind. Dave. you didn't have sisters and it sounds like you didn't have a daughter either... I can't say why Julie set up that website as "public", but jeeze. Give that stupid "dancer" stuff a rest. My DD took dance classes until she was that age too. Is she a dancer now? NO - yet she is more successful in her business life than your son or most people's children who participate here are *not claiming all*. Please give Julie's DD a break, she's just a kid and she has done absolutely nothing to deserve this except be Julie's DD who has been mentioned her many times.. Hate on Julie, she can take it. Please don't be like Bryan - leave her DD out of it. It's not playing fair when you stoop to that. Let Julie say what she says (like throwing her DD under the bus). Don't do it for her. You're better than that. -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room |
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 16:22:58 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > > I don't know what that is that Bryan posted. I had a website years ago. I > don't have one now and certainly not at Frontier. Please figure out what he posted and delete it! -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room |
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 18:36:38 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in the 11th > grade now. You *should* look! Nobody cares what grade your DD is in now. Is that your DD in back then or not? If those pictures are not your DD, then forget it. If it is, then you have a problem. Either way, it's your problem - not mine. -- A kitchen without a cook is just a room |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 19:42:11 -0500, Dave Smith > > wrote: > >> On 2015-01-04 6:51 PM, wrote: >> > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:25:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>> http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >> >>>> It's been out there for a few years. >> >>> >> >> How does that make what you did okay? >> >> >> >> >> > Julie put her daughter out there for people to gawk at, it's not >> > Bryan's fault because she made this site and then throws her under >> > the bus in dozens of posts over the years. >> > >> >> Yep. She sure did. This is the girl that Julie claims is a dancer. With >> all due respects.. oh never mind. > > Dave. you didn't have sisters and it sounds like you didn't have a > daughter either... I can't say why Julie set up that website as > "public", but jeeze. Give that stupid "dancer" stuff a rest. My DD > took dance classes until she was that age too. Is she a dancer now? > NO - yet she is more successful in her business life than your son or > most people's children who participate here are *not claiming all*. > Please give Julie's DD a break, she's just a kid and she has done > absolutely nothing to deserve this except be Julie's DD who has been > mentioned her many times.. Hate on Julie, she can take it. Please > don't be like Bryan - leave her DD out of it. It's not playing fair > when you stoop to that. Let Julie say what she says (like throwing > her DD under the bus). Don't do it for her. You're better than > that. That's not my website, sf. I don't know who did that and no, I'm not going to investigate it. The pics there are from when she was in the 6th grade. She's in the 11th grade now. I used to have a public website. Lots of people did. That's what we did prior to Myspace, Facebook, Twitter, etc. I have no need for a website now. And in fact don't have one. And now that I think about it, whatever that link was, it didn't say "frontier.com". There was something that preceded the frontier part. Could very well be something that Bryan or whoever posted it, did. I assume that it was Bryan who did it but he's in my KF so not sure. I did just do a search of my name and no such website came up so... *shrugs* |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message > ... >> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On 1/4/2015 9:36 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I have never housed any pages at Frontier. Therefore I will not look >>>>> beyond the initial page and I didn't even want to do that. I would >>>> urge >>>>> others not to look either. >>>>> >>>>> What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in the >>>>> 11th grade now. >>>> >>>> Julie, you sound like you don't want us to see your daughter at a >>>> younger > age. Nothing to be ashamed of. >>> >>> I am not ashamed. But I also don't know anything about that website. I >>> did not put it up and I have never housed a site at Frontier. Therefore >>> I take no responsibility for whatever content is there and I'm also not >>> going to go poking around on it. For all I know there could be a virus >>> there. I'm not saying that there is but I also don't know anything about >>> that site and I didn't put anything there. >> >> So say that's true. As a parent to a minor child, do you really want to > run >> the risk some stranger or whomever is putting up information and pictures >> about your own child?! Isn't that a greater risk than some potential >> computer virus?! And you just sit back and don't check it out?! You are >> something else!!! As a parent to a minor child myself I am APPALLED at >> your apathy!! I already told you exactly how your information changed > from >> Verizon to Frontier, so you have no legitimate excuse for not checking it >> out. I feel sorry for your kid. > > I actually feel sorry for you because you are pretty screwed up. So > somebody put up old information. So? Like I said... Used to be when I > searched for my name I got an old website that was housed at Redshift. > And I said that I searched for the name of a person who died in 2009. > Some of her old websites are still up too. That's kind of how the > Internet works. I can't explain the Frontier thing but I'm also not going > to waste my time on it except to tell people here that I didn't do it. > How Bryan came up with it, I do not know. For all I know, he could have > done it. Just don't click on it is all that I have to say on that matter. What part of Frontier took over Verizon aren't you getting?! It's still your website just with a new domain name. No one on God's green earth put up your old information. The only screwed up one here is you. And yes, if you looked up what I am telling you, you'd easily find out that what I am saying is true and information on how to take it down. Or not, your choice, but you are really showing your stupidity by asserting someone else cares enough about you to create a website with your daughter's info. That's just laughable. And if was true, you SHOULD be concerned. - jinx the minx |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 16:22:58 -0800, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> >> I don't know what that is that Bryan posted. I had a website years ago. >> I >> don't have one now and certainly not at Frontier. > > Please figure out what he posted and delete it! How in the world can *I* delete something that someone else did? All I know is that I didn't do it and a search of my name does not bring up that site. Whatever that site is could be some sort of malware or virus. I am just sorry that I clicked the link to begin with as my better judgment told me otherwise. |
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![]() "sf" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 18:36:38 -0800, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in the >> 11th >> grade now. > > You *should* look! Nobody cares what grade your DD is in now. Is > that your DD in back then or not? If those pictures are not your DD, > then forget it. If it is, then you have a problem. > > Either way, it's your problem - not mine. Actually, it's *not* my problem. I didn't do whatever it is. I do not have a website now despite what anyone else here claims. And I will not go back and look again because I have no clue what that website is. I can only advise others not to click on it as well. It's kind of like when Sheldon puts up links claiming that they are pics of certain people when they are not. How is that the problem of the person who he claims the pic to be? He'd the one who did it. Just like whoever put up this bogus website. They did it. Not me. |
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![]() "jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >> ... >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 1/4/2015 9:36 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I have never housed any pages at Frontier. Therefore I will not look >>>>>> beyond the initial page and I didn't even want to do that. I would >>>>>> >>>> urge >>>>>> others not to look either. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in >>>>>> the >>>>>> 11th grade now. >>>>> >>>>> Julie, you sound like you don't want us to see your daughter at a >>>>> younger > age. Nothing to be ashamed of. >>>> >>>> I am not ashamed. But I also don't know anything about that website. >>>> I >>>> did not put it up and I have never housed a site at Frontier. >>>> Therefore >>>> I take no responsibility for whatever content is there and I'm also not >>>> going to go poking around on it. For all I know there could be a virus >>>> there. I'm not saying that there is but I also don't know anything >>>> about >>>> that site and I didn't put anything there. >>> >>> So say that's true. As a parent to a minor child, do you really want to >>> > run >>> the risk some stranger or whomever is putting up information and >>> pictures >>> about your own child?! Isn't that a greater risk than some potential >>> computer virus?! And you just sit back and don't check it out?! You are >>> something else!!! As a parent to a minor child myself I am APPALLED at >>> your apathy!! I already told you exactly how your information changed > >>> from >>> Verizon to Frontier, so you have no legitimate excuse for not checking >>> it >>> out. I feel sorry for your kid. >> >> I actually feel sorry for you because you are pretty screwed up. So >> somebody put up old information. So? Like I said... Used to be when I >> searched for my name I got an old website that was housed at Redshift. >> And I said that I searched for the name of a person who died in 2009. >> Some of her old websites are still up too. That's kind of how the >> Internet works. I can't explain the Frontier thing but I'm also not going >> to waste my time on it except to tell people here that I didn't do it. >> How Bryan came up with it, I do not know. For all I know, he could have >> done it. Just don't click on it is all that I have to say on that >> matter. > > What part of Frontier took over Verizon aren't you getting?! It's still > your website just with a new domain name. No one on God's green earth put > up your old information. The only screwed up one here is you. And yes, > if > you looked up what I am telling you, you'd easily find out that what I am > saying is true and information on how to take it down. Or not, your > choice, but you are really showing your stupidity by asserting someone > else > cares enough about you to create a website with your daughter's info. > That's just laughable. And if was true, you SHOULD be concerned. No. It's not. I never put up a website with frontier. Nor did I give them permission to put one up for me. I also know that ISPs won't take down old information just because you tell them to do so. People were complaining to me when my old Redshift information was still up, years after I moved away. I did contact Redshift and was told there was nothing they would do about it. Things were purged every so often and until they did that, the site might be up years later. You are making much ado about nothing. Go ahead and do a search for my name. You won't find that website Not very quickly anyway. Now why don't you just drop it. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message > ... >> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> On 1/4/2015 9:36 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have never housed any pages at Frontier. Therefore I will not look >>>>>>> beyond the initial page and I didn't even want to do that. I would >>>>>> >>>> urge >>>>>>> others not to look either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in >>>>>> the >>>>>>> 11th grade now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Julie, you sound like you don't want us to see your daughter at a >>>>>> younger > age. Nothing to be ashamed of. >>>>> >>>>> I am not ashamed. But I also don't know anything about that website. >>>> I >>>>> did not put it up and I have never housed a site at Frontier. >>>> Therefore >>>>> I take no responsibility for whatever content is there and I'm also not >>>>> going to go poking around on it. For all I know there could be a virus >>>>> there. I'm not saying that there is but I also don't know anything >>>> about >>>>> that site and I didn't put anything there. >>>> >>>> So say that's true. As a parent to a minor child, do you really want to >>> > run >>>> the risk some stranger or whomever is putting up information and >>> pictures >>>> about your own child?! Isn't that a greater risk than some potential >>>> computer virus?! And you just sit back and don't check it out?! You are >>>> something else!!! As a parent to a minor child myself I am APPALLED at >>>> your apathy!! I already told you exactly how your information changed > >>> from >>>> Verizon to Frontier, so you have no legitimate excuse for not checking >>> it >>>> out. I feel sorry for your kid. >>> >>> I actually feel sorry for you because you are pretty screwed up. So >>> somebody put up old information. So? Like I said... Used to be when I >>> searched for my name I got an old website that was housed at Redshift. >>> And I said that I searched for the name of a person who died in 2009. >>> Some of her old websites are still up too. That's kind of how the >>> Internet works. I can't explain the Frontier thing but I'm also not going >>> to waste my time on it except to tell people here that I didn't do it. >>> How Bryan came up with it, I do not know. For all I know, he could have >>> done it. Just don't click on it is all that I have to say on that >> matter. >> >> What part of Frontier took over Verizon aren't you getting?! It's still >> your website just with a new domain name. No one on God's green earth put >> up your old information. The only screwed up one here is you. And yes, > if >> you looked up what I am telling you, you'd easily find out that what I am >> saying is true and information on how to take it down. Or not, your >> choice, but you are really showing your stupidity by asserting someone > else >> cares enough about you to create a website with your daughter's info. >> That's just laughable. And if was true, you SHOULD be concerned. > > No. It's not. I never put up a website with frontier. Nor did I give > them permission to put one up for me. I also know that ISPs won't take > down old information just because you tell them to do so. People were > complaining to me when my old Redshift information was still up, years > after I moved away. I did contact Redshift and was told there was nothing > they would do about it. Things were purged every so often and until they > did that, the site might be up years later. > > You are making much ado about nothing. Go ahead and do a search for my > name. You won't find that website Not very quickly anyway. Now why > don't you just drop it. But did you put up your website through Verizon? -- jinx the minx |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:06:27 -0800, sf > wrote:
>On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 16:22:58 -0800, "Julie Bove" > wrote: > >> >> I don't know what that is that Bryan posted. I had a website years ago. I >> don't have one now and certainly not at Frontier. > >Please figure out what he posted and delete it! I guess the message from Julie is that she will not risk her computer (virus maybe) to protect her daughter. That definitely rules out anything else that would put Julie's life or comfort at risk to protect her daughter. You and I and others here see this site as a danger to the daughter, particularly if someone is messing with it. Julie only sees it as an inconvenience to herself. Janet US |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message ... >> On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 18:36:38 -0800, "Julie Bove" >> > wrote: >> >>> What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in the >> 11th >>> grade now. >> >> You *should* look! Nobody cares what grade your DD is in now. Is >> that your DD in back then or not? If those pictures are not your DD, >> then forget it. If it is, then you have a problem. >> >> Either way, it's your problem - not mine. > > Actually, it's *not* my problem. I didn't do whatever it is. I do not > have a website now despite what anyone else here claims. And I will not > go back and look again because I have no clue what that website is. I > can only advise others not to click on it as well. > > It's kind of like when Sheldon puts up links claiming that they are pics > of certain people when they are not. How is that the problem of the > person who he claims the pic to be? He'd the one who did it. Just like > whoever put up this bogus website. They did it. Not me. What kind of a mother doesn't care if an unknown person puts up a website with pictures and information about their minor child?? -- jinx the minx |
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![]() > wrote in message ... > On Sunday, January 4, 2015 4:25:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote: >> >> > > > > http://myplace.frontier.com/~juliebove/angela.htm >> > > It's been out there for a few years. >> > >> How does that make what you did okay? >> >> > Julie put her daughter out there for people to gawk at, it's not Bryan's > fault because she made this site and then throws her under the bus in > dozens of posts over the years. It's HIS fault for the vile, nasty things he's said about a young girl who has never once posted to this newsgroup. I've never agreed with Julie posting things about her husband or her daughter and have told her so many times, but people that stoop to making remarks like Bryan does about her are just sickos, and Bryan's remarks are much worse than anything that Andy ever said IMO. Cheri |
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![]() "dsi1" > wrote in message ... > On 1/4/2015 1:52 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote: >> >> Not so good for cats. Better they eat a good dry food. Tuna also has a >> lot >> of mercury in it. >> > > Who cares about cats - is canned tuna safe for humans?! I eat it once in awhile, but not as often as I used to. Cheri |
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![]() "Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > It's kind of like when Sheldon puts up links claiming that they are pics > of certain people when they are not. How is that the problem of the > person who he claims the pic to be? He'd the one who did it. Just like > whoever put up this bogus website. They did it. Not me. It looks quite a bit like your old website from years ago, but the other one was more detailed with music etc., and your daughter was younger in the older one IIRC. At any rate, I think she's talented and pretty from the pics I've seen through the years. Cheri |
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![]() "Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Doris Night" > wrote in message >> But before she does that, everyone should visit her web page and click >> through all the links. Very interesting. >> >> Doris > > I don't even know what was there but it is not relevant now. Seriously > pathetic that someone would dig up an old website that could well even > have outdated links. It was a perfectly nice website in the old days Julie. Some of these people are just sad and should find something better to do than "click through links" of an old website to find "interesting" stuff. LOL Cheri |
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![]() "Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "jmcquown" > wrote in message > ... >> On 1/4/2015 5:16 PM, Doris Night wrote: >>> >>> But before she does that, everyone should visit her web page and click >>> through all the links. Very interesting. >>> >>> Doris >>> >> Dang. I couldn't click through all the links without agreeing to install >> a plug-in. Uh, no. I'm not *that* interested. Really. ![]() Well, maybe you can call Doris to get all the deets since she is terribly interested. :-) Cheri |
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![]() "jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >> ... >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> On 1/4/2015 9:36 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have never housed any pages at Frontier. Therefore I will not >>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>> beyond the initial page and I didn't even want to do that. I would >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> urge >>>>>>>> others not to look either. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in >>>>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> 11th grade now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Julie, you sound like you don't want us to see your daughter at a >>>>>>> younger > age. Nothing to be ashamed of. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not ashamed. But I also don't know anything about that website. >>>>>> >>>> I >>>>>> did not put it up and I have never housed a site at Frontier. >>>> >>>>>> Therefore >>>>>> I take no responsibility for whatever content is there and I'm also >>>>>> not >>>>>> going to go poking around on it. For all I know there could be a >>>>>> virus >>>>>> there. I'm not saying that there is but I also don't know anything >>>>>> >>>> about >>>>>> that site and I didn't put anything there. >>>>> >>>>> So say that's true. As a parent to a minor child, do you really want >>>>> to >>> > run >>>>> the risk some stranger or whomever is putting up information and >>> >>>>> pictures >>>>> about your own child?! Isn't that a greater risk than some potential >>>>> computer virus?! And you just sit back and don't check it out?! You >>>>> are >>>>> something else!!! As a parent to a minor child myself I am APPALLED >>>>> at >>>>> your apathy!! I already told you exactly how your information changed >>>>> > >>> from >>>>> Verizon to Frontier, so you have no legitimate excuse for not checking >>>>> >>> it >>>>> out. I feel sorry for your kid. >>>> >>>> I actually feel sorry for you because you are pretty screwed up. So >>>> somebody put up old information. So? Like I said... Used to be when >>>> I >>>> searched for my name I got an old website that was housed at Redshift. >>>> And I said that I searched for the name of a person who died in 2009. >>>> Some of her old websites are still up too. That's kind of how the >>>> Internet works. I can't explain the Frontier thing but I'm also not >>>> going >>>> to waste my time on it except to tell people here that I didn't do it. >>>> How Bryan came up with it, I do not know. For all I know, he could >>>> have >>>> done it. Just don't click on it is all that I have to say on that >> >>>> matter. >>> >>> What part of Frontier took over Verizon aren't you getting?! It's still >>> your website just with a new domain name. No one on God's green earth >>> put >>> up your old information. The only screwed up one here is you. And yes, >>> > if >>> you looked up what I am telling you, you'd easily find out that what I >>> am >>> saying is true and information on how to take it down. Or not, your >>> choice, but you are really showing your stupidity by asserting someone > >>> else >>> cares enough about you to create a website with your daughter's info. >>> That's just laughable. And if was true, you SHOULD be concerned. >> >> No. It's not. I never put up a website with frontier. Nor did I give >> them permission to put one up for me. I also know that ISPs won't take >> down old information just because you tell them to do so. People were >> complaining to me when my old Redshift information was still up, years >> after I moved away. I did contact Redshift and was told there was nothing >> they would do about it. Things were purged every so often and until they >> did that, the site might be up years later. >> >> You are making much ado about nothing. Go ahead and do a search for my >> name. You won't find that website Not very quickly anyway. Now why >> don't you just drop it. > > But did you put up your website through Verizon? Please see my thread about my Frontier account. |
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![]() "jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 18:36:38 -0800, "Julie Bove" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> What I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt is that my daughter is in the >>>> >> 11th >>>> grade now. >>> >>> You *should* look! Nobody cares what grade your DD is in now. Is >>> that your DD in back then or not? If those pictures are not your DD, >>> then forget it. If it is, then you have a problem. >>> >>> Either way, it's your problem - not mine. >> >> Actually, it's *not* my problem. I didn't do whatever it is. I do not >> have a website now despite what anyone else here claims. And I will not >> go back and look again because I have no clue what that website is. I >> can only advise others not to click on it as well. >> >> It's kind of like when Sheldon puts up links claiming that they are pics >> of certain people when they are not. How is that the problem of the >> person who he claims the pic to be? He'd the one who did it. Just like >> whoever put up this bogus website. They did it. Not me. > > What kind of a mother doesn't care if an unknown person puts up a website > with pictures and information about their minor child?? Please see my thread about my Frontier account. |
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![]() "Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... > >> It's kind of like when Sheldon puts up links claiming that they are pics >> of certain people when they are not. How is that the problem of the >> person who he claims the pic to be? He'd the one who did it. Just like >> whoever put up this bogus website. They did it. Not me. > > It looks quite a bit like your old website from years ago, but the other > one was more detailed with music etc., and your daughter was younger in > the older one IIRC. At any rate, I think she's talented and pretty from > the pics I've seen through the years. Thanks. I will reply to you as I know that you mean me no harm. I will no longer put up pics here due to exactly the sorts of things that are happening in this thread. But you of all people here would know what she looks like because I am a rather public person, if you will and I don't try to hide anything from anyone. |
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> On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:06:27 -0800, sf > wrote: > >> On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 16:22:58 -0800, "Julie Bove" >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> I don't know what that is that Bryan posted. I had a website years ago. I >>> don't have one now and certainly not at Frontier. >> >> Please figure out what he posted and delete it! > I guess the message from Julie is that she will not risk her computer > (virus maybe) to protect her daughter. That definitely rules out > anything else that would put Julie's life or comfort at risk to > protect her daughter. You and I and others here see this site as a > danger to the daughter, particularly if someone is messing with it. > Julie only sees it as an inconvenience to herself. > Janet US That sums it up ever so eloquently. -- jinx the minx |
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![]() "Janet B" > wrote in message ... > On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:06:27 -0800, sf > wrote: > >>On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 16:22:58 -0800, "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> >>> >>> I don't know what that is that Bryan posted. I had a website years ago. >>> I >>> don't have one now and certainly not at Frontier. >> >>Please figure out what he posted and delete it! > I guess the message from Julie is that she will not risk her computer > (virus maybe) to protect her daughter. That definitely rules out > anything else that would put Julie's life or comfort at risk to > protect her daughter. You and I and others here see this site as a > danger to the daughter, particularly if someone is messing with it. > Julie only sees it as an inconvenience to herself. > Janet US Please see my thread about my Frontier account. And why in the world would I put my computer at risk for any reason? I am not a computer expert or an Internet expert or any other kind of expert. My clicking on something isn't going to solve anything at all. |
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