I didn't care for paying a buck [or more] for a bottle of exotic beer,
so started experimenting

I like these additives:

lime juice
lemon juice
tomato juice
orange juice

I'm thinking of trying a little Molasses

any other ideas, for a flavor?

marc

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 4:58:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> I didn't care for paying a buck [or more] for a bottle of exotic beer,
> so started experimenting
>
> I like these additives:
>
> lime juice
> lemon juice
> tomato juice
> orange juice
>
> I'm thinking of trying a little Molasses
>
> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>
> marc

Mix powdered ginger in simple syrup, and make ginger beer.

On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:58:52 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>I didn't care for paying a buck [or more] for a bottle of exotic beer,
>so started experimenting
>
>I like these additives:
>
>lime juice
>lemon juice
>tomato juice
>orange juice
>
>I'm thinking of trying a little Molasses
>
>any other ideas, for a flavor?

Chocolate and coffee.

On 16/01/2015 12:05 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 4:58:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
>> I didn't care for paying a buck [or more] for a bottle of exotic beer,
>> so started experimenting
>>
>> I like these additives:
>>
>> lime juice
>> lemon juice
>> tomato juice
>> orange juice
>>
>> I'm thinking of trying a little Molasses
>>
>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>>
>> marc
>
> Mix powdered ginger in simple syrup, and make ginger beer.
>
If you need to add anything at all to the beer you are buying, you are
buying the wrong beer.

--

Xeno.

On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:

>
> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>
> marc
>

Add water and it will be Budweiser.

On 16/01/2015 2:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>>
>> marc
>>
>
> Add water and it will be Budweiser.

Isn't that what any "lager beer" is, real beer watered down?

--

Xeno.

On 1/15/2015 11:36 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 16/01/2015 2:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>>>
>>> marc
>>>
>>
>> Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>
> Isn't that what any "lager beer" is, real beer watered down?
>
Come, come; lager is a type of beer referring to the fermentation method
and some lagers are pretty good; like Tennants (no argument about Bud!).

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 16/01/2015 3:43 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 1/15/2015 11:36 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/01/2015 2:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>>>>
>>>> marc
>>>>
>>>
>>> Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>>
>> Isn't that what any "lager beer" is, real beer watered down?
>>
> Come, come; lager is a type of beer referring to the fermentation method
> and some lagers are pretty good; like Tennants (no argument about Bud!).
>
All the lagers I've tried were lacking in flavour... The worst ones
being those to which you need to add a "flavour enhancer".

The trend to lagers is catching on here. Not good..

--

Xeno.

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 8:51:13 PM UTC-8, Xeno wrote:
> On 16/01/2015 3:43 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> > On 1/15/2015 11:36 PM, Xeno wrote:
> >> On 16/01/2015 2:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
> >>>>
> >>>> marc
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Add water and it will be Budweiser.
> >>
> >> Isn't that what any "lager beer" is, real beer watered down?
> >>
> > Come, come; lager is a type of beer referring to the fermentation method
> > and some lagers are pretty good; like Tennants (no argument about Bud!).
> >
> All the lagers I've tried were lacking in flavour... The worst ones
> being those to which you need to add a "flavour enhancer".
>
> The trend to lagers is catching on here. Not good..
>

Are there any good Australian beers? I remember Tooth's Sheaf Stout was
drinkable, but I haven't seen that for years. And if you liked watery
Coopers' beers filled the bill. One tasted just like apple juice, as
I recall.

On 16/01/2015 4:23 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 8:51:13 PM UTC-8, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/01/2015 3:43 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>>> On 1/15/2015 11:36 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 16/01/2015 2:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> marc
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't that what any "lager beer" is, real beer watered down?
>>>>
>>> Come, come; lager is a type of beer referring to the fermentation method
>>> and some lagers are pretty good; like Tennants (no argument about Bud!).
>>>
>> All the lagers I've tried were lacking in flavour... The worst ones
>> being those to which you need to add a "flavour enhancer".
>>
>> The trend to lagers is catching on here. Not good..
>>
>
> Are there any good Australian beers? I remember Tooth's Sheaf Stout was
> drinkable, but I haven't seen that for years. And if you liked watery
> Coopers' beers filled the bill. One tasted just like apple juice, as
> I recall.
>
Still plenty of decent beers here.. My preference is Boags Draught -
preferably on tap, in bottles as a second preference but cans... never.
Even Boags Premium Lager has more flavour than the average imported lager.
Hmmm, that reminds me, those I put in the fridge earlier should be OK
right about now.... and I am developing a thirst.

--

Xeno.

On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:40:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>>
>> marc
>>
>
>Add water and it will be Budweiser.

I thought it was urine? Are there any american beers that /don't/
taste like urine?

On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 23:43:37 -0500, James Silverton
> wrote:

>On 1/15/2015 11:36 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/01/2015 2:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>>>>
>>>> marc
>>>>
>>>
>>> Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>>
>> Isn't that what any "lager beer" is, real beer watered down?
>>
>Come, come; lager is a type of beer referring to the fermentation method
>and some lagers are pretty good; like Tennants (no argument about Bud!).

Indeed. A good Lager is very nice, although I'm more of an ale
drinker. Lager is a slower process than ale.

On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 21:23:42 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

>Are there any good Australian beers? I remember Tooth's Sheaf Stout was
>drinkable, but I haven't seen that for years. And if you liked watery
>Coopers' beers filled the bill. One tasted just like apple juice, as
>I recall.

Heh. The best Australian beer IMO is Coopers. I'm not sure why you
would describe them as 'watery', when they are actually the least
'watery' commercial beer made in Australia. Seriously. It's also the
only Australian mass market beer that is properly brewed using the
traditional process. I don't get that bloated feeling with Coopers
that most commercial beers give me... I'm actually drinking a 'tallie'
of Coopers Sparkling Ale right now

Most Aus beers taste much the same to me, too foamy and not enjoyable.
I'm just wondering now if because Coopers doesnt have that same foamy
mouthfeel, that you would describe it as watery?

Boags and Cascade are probably some of the better Aus beers - yes,
they are both Tasmanian beers and you would assume I'm being biased,
but no. I'd probably prefer Cascade over Boags, when I think about it.

On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:53:18 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:58:52 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>
>> I didn't care for paying a buck [or more] for a bottle of exotic beer,
>> so started experimenting
>>
>> I like these additives:
>>
>> lime juice
>> lemon juice
>> tomato juice
>> orange juice
>>
>> I'm thinking of trying a little Molasses
>>
>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>
>A shot of good, flavorless vodka.

That's called ethanol.

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 10:51:13 PM UTC-6, Xeno wrote:
> On 16/01/2015 3:43 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> > On 1/15/2015 11:36 PM, Xeno wrote:
> >> On 16/01/2015 2:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
> >>>>
> >>>> marc
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Add water and it will be Budweiser.
> >>
> >> Isn't that what any "lager beer" is, real beer watered down?
> >>
> > Come, come; lager is a type of beer referring to the fermentation method
> > and some lagers are pretty good; like Tennants (no argument about Bud!).
> >
> All the lagers I've tried were lacking in flavour... The worst ones
> being those to which you need to add a "flavour enhancer".
>
> The trend to lagers is catching on here. Not good..
>
Do you even know what "lager" means?

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/113/574/
>
> Xeno.

--Bryan

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 11:55:15 PM UTC-6, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:40:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> any other ideas, for a flavor?
> >>
> >> marc
> >>
> >
> >Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>
> I thought it was urine? Are there any american beers that /don't/
> taste like urine?

You might find this interesting.

http://schlafly.com/beers/styles/tasmanian-ipa/

It is delicious, and brewed less than 2 miles from my house, in a building
that used to house the grocery store where my wife and I shopped when we
were first married in the mid-1980s. I don't drink it often, as it is pricier than their lighter APA.
http://schlafly.com/beers/styles/dry-hopped-apa/

I love flavored beer, flavored with lots and lots of hops.

--Bryan

On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 12:06:29 AM UTC-6, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:53:18 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:58:52 -0800 (PST), wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't care for paying a buck [or more] for a bottle of exotic beer,
> >> so started experimenting
> >>
> >> I like these additives:
> >>
> >> lime juice
> >> lemon juice
> >> tomato juice
> >> orange juice
> >>
> >> I'm thinking of trying a little Molasses
> >>
> >> any other ideas, for a flavor?
> >
> >A shot of good, flavorless vodka.
>
> That's called ethanol.

The last time I took a shot of 40% ethanol, it was tequila, and the year
was 1999. I imagine that sentence will stand forever true.

--Bryan

On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:55:05 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>>
>>Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>
>I thought it was urine? Are there any american beers that /don't/
>taste like urine?

Hamms Beer is the best beer in America!

On 16/01/2015 7:41 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 10:51:13 PM UTC-6, Xeno wrote:
>> On 16/01/2015 3:43 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>>> On 1/15/2015 11:36 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 16/01/2015 2:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> marc
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't that what any "lager beer" is, real beer watered down?
>>>>
>>> Come, come; lager is a type of beer referring to the fermentation method
>>> and some lagers are pretty good; like Tennants (no argument about Bud!).
>>>
>> All the lagers I've tried were lacking in flavour... The worst ones
>> being those to which you need to add a "flavour enhancer".
>>
>> The trend to lagers is catching on here. Not good..
>>
> Do you even know what "lager" means?
>
> http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/113/574/
>>
>> Xeno.
>
> --Bryan
>
I know what a "Lager" is. What I don't know is what the current crop of
crap being passed off as lager is. At the last food festival I attended
in Hobart several years ago, there were some craft beers available. Some
of these had a lager in their range. Those lagers had a flavour. The
mainstream stuff seems to be lacking in that all important aspect and I
have tried quite a few in recent times. The only one I find that has a
reasonable flavour is "Boags Premium Lager". I will admit, I am biased
as I was born and raised in Tasmania and their brewery (Boags in
northern Tas) set the benchmark in my mind. Today, at a friends house, I
had a Leo Pilsener. That's a Thai brand. Pale in appearance and equally
pale in flavour. A few days earlier, at the same home, I was offered a
Bintang. That's an Indonesian pale lager. That wasn't too bad but not as
good as Bintang was 35 years ago when I lived in that country. I have
always been a ready sampler of "foreign" brews.

So, in answer to your question, yes, I do know what a lager is. It seems
however they are unlike the lagers of old that I remember. Even the
draught beers nowadays aren't as strong as they once were. That might
have more to do with multinationals taking over a lot of the breweries
than anything else.


--

Xeno.

On 16/01/2015 7:50 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 11:55:15 PM UTC-6, Je�us wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:40:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>>>>
>>>> marc
>>>>
>>>
>>> Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>>
>> I thought it was urine? Are there any american beers that /don't/
>> taste like urine?
>
> You might find this interesting.
>
> http://schlafly.com/beers/styles/tasmanian-ipa/
>
> It is delicious, and brewed less than 2 miles from my house, in a building
> that used to house the grocery store where my wife and I shopped when we
> were first married in the mid-1980s. I don't drink it often, as it is pricier than their lighter APA.
> http://schlafly.com/beers/styles/dry-hopped-apa/
>
> I love flavored beer, flavored with lots and lots of hops.
>
> --Bryan
>
Yes, some of the craft beers here seem to have full flavour.

This one in Tasmania was one that I sampled...
http://moobrew.com.au/

A nice beer, no preservatives, no additives...

A friend from Thailand, who doesn't drink beer, bough a full set of
bottles to take back home. You see, her nickname is "Moo" so she has the
bottles on a display cabinet. Don't worry, her husband took good care of
the contents. ;-)


--

Xeno.

On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 3:15:14 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:55:05 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Add water and it will be Budweiser.
> >
> >I thought it was urine? Are there any american beers that /don't/
> >taste like urine?
>
> Hamms Beer is the best beer in America!

I used to drink that swill when I was 14, 15 years old. It was one of
the worst, but it was cheap. It was worse than Busch.

--Bryan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/16272312342/

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 9:40:30 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>
> >
> > any other ideas, for a flavor?
> >
> > marc
> >
>
> Add water and it will be Budweiser.

Add more water and you get Bud Light, the beer to drink when you want people to think you're drinkin' beer.

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 11:55:15 PM UTC-6, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:40:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> any other ideas, for a flavor?
> >>
> >> marc
> >>
> >
> >Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>
> I thought it was urine? Are there any american beers that /don't/
> taste like urine?


I'm currently loving Ranger IPA. If you're interested in a good American beer or ale, or anything from a US brewery, you pretty much have to go to the smaller, "micro" brewers, and there are a ton of really good ones out there right now. The big guys have been making slightly different variations of the exact same thing for the last 75 years. The smaller outfits are where the action is these days.

On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 3:35:02 AM UTC-6, Xeno wrote:
> On 16/01/2015 7:41 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 10:51:13 PM UTC-6, Xeno wrote:
> >> On 16/01/2015 3:43 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> >>> On 1/15/2015 11:36 PM, Xeno wrote:
> >>>> On 16/01/2015 2:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> marc
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Add water and it will be Budweiser.
> >>>>
> >>>> Isn't that what any "lager beer" is, real beer watered down?
> >>>>
> >>> Come, come; lager is a type of beer referring to the fermentation method
> >>> and some lagers are pretty good; like Tennants (no argument about Bud!).
> >>>
> >> All the lagers I've tried were lacking in flavour... The worst ones
> >> being those to which you need to add a "flavour enhancer".
> >>
> >> The trend to lagers is catching on here. Not good..
> >>
> > Do you even know what "lager" means?
> >
> > http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/113/574/
> >>
> >> Xeno.
> >
> > --Bryan
> >
> I know what a "Lager" is. What I don't know is what the current crop of
> crap being passed off as lager is. At the last food festival I attended
> in Hobart several years ago, there were some craft beers available. Some
> of these had a lager in their range. Those lagers had a flavour. The
> mainstream stuff seems to be lacking in that all important aspect and I
> have tried quite a few in recent times. The only one I find that has a
> reasonable flavour is "Boags Premium Lager". I will admit, I am biased
> as I was born and raised in Tasmania and their brewery (Boags in
> northern Tas) set the benchmark in my mind. Today, at a friends house, I
> had a Leo Pilsener. That's a Thai brand. Pale in appearance and equally
> pale in flavour. A few days earlier, at the same home, I was offered a
> Bintang. That's an Indonesian pale lager. That wasn't too bad but not as
> good as Bintang was 35 years ago when I lived in that country. I have
> always been a ready sampler of "foreign" brews.
>
> So, in answer to your question, yes, I do know what a lager is. It seems
> however they are unlike the lagers of old that I remember. Even the
> draught beers nowadays aren't as strong as they once were. That might
> have more to do with multinationals taking over a lot of the breweries
> than anything else.
>
>
> --
>
> Xeno.


The problem isn't lager, it's the way American brewers make it: Lots of corn and rice to replace large portions of barley, nice "inoffensive" yeast strains that won't taste like anything, nice, predictable Willamette hops and then it's served just above freezing to minimize any latent taste that might have snuck in during the process. "Light" beer is even worse, if that's possible.

Americans seem to think that good beer should be about one click above fizz water, and that's what they demand. It's too bad, because beer can be so much more.

On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 7:55:33 AM UTC-6, Christopher Helms wrote:
> On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 3:35:02 AM UTC-6, Xeno wrote:
> > On 16/01/2015 7:41 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 10:51:13 PM UTC-6, Xeno wrote:
> > >> On 16/01/2015 3:43 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> > >>> On 1/15/2015 11:36 PM, Xeno wrote:
> > >>>> On 16/01/2015 2:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>>>> On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> any other ideas, for a flavor?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> marc
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Add water and it will be Budweiser.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Isn't that what any "lager beer" is, real beer watered down?
> > >>>>
> > >>> Come, come; lager is a type of beer referring to the fermentation method
> > >>> and some lagers are pretty good; like Tennants (no argument about Bud!).
> > >>>
> > >> All the lagers I've tried were lacking in flavour... The worst ones
> > >> being those to which you need to add a "flavour enhancer".
> > >>
> > >> The trend to lagers is catching on here. Not good..
> > >>
> > > Do you even know what "lager" means?
> > >
> > > http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/113/574/
> > >>
> > >> Xeno.
> > >
> > > --Bryan
> > >
> > I know what a "Lager" is. What I don't know is what the current crop of
> > crap being passed off as lager is. At the last food festival I attended
> > in Hobart several years ago, there were some craft beers available. Some
> > of these had a lager in their range. Those lagers had a flavour. The
> > mainstream stuff seems to be lacking in that all important aspect and I
> > have tried quite a few in recent times. The only one I find that has a
> > reasonable flavour is "Boags Premium Lager". I will admit, I am biased
> > as I was born and raised in Tasmania and their brewery (Boags in
> > northern Tas) set the benchmark in my mind. Today, at a friends house, I
> > had a Leo Pilsener. That's a Thai brand. Pale in appearance and equally
> > pale in flavour. A few days earlier, at the same home, I was offered a
> > Bintang. That's an Indonesian pale lager. That wasn't too bad but not as
> > good as Bintang was 35 years ago when I lived in that country. I have
> > always been a ready sampler of "foreign" brews.
> >
> > So, in answer to your question, yes, I do know what a lager is. It seems
> > however they are unlike the lagers of old that I remember. Even the
> > draught beers nowadays aren't as strong as they once were. That might
> > have more to do with multinationals taking over a lot of the breweries
> > than anything else.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Xeno.
>
>
> The problem isn't lager, it's the way American brewers make it: Lots of corn and rice to replace large portions of barley, nice "inoffensive" yeast strains that won't taste like anything, nice, predictable Willamette hops and then it's served just above freezing to minimize any latent taste that might have snuck in during the process. "Light" beer is even worse, if that's possible.

Oh. Wait. It is possible. There is a version of Bud Light that has Clamato added to it.

21blackswan wrote:
>
> I didn't care for paying a buck [or more] for a bottle of exotic beer,
> so started experimenting
> I like these additives:
> lime juice
> lemon juice
> tomato juice
> orange juice
> I'm thinking of trying a little Molasses
> any other ideas, for a flavor?

The Bove is back! LOL
The Bove n' Brew!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovril
http://www.bbc.co.uk/stoke/content/a..._feature.shtml
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...s%2Ck%3Abovril
http://www.britishcornershop.co.uk/p...FW4F7AodihwAcg

Ballantine Ale with tequila.
http://ballantineale.com/
http://www.tequila.net/

On 2015-01-16, Xeno > wrote:

> All the lagers I've tried were lacking in flavour... The worst ones
> being those to which you need to add a "flavour enhancer".

That's cuz yer drinking crap!

A lager is a bottom yeasting beer that requires refrigeration to age.
The Germans created lagers by aging their bottom fermenting beers in
caves. It produces a lighter more mellow beer than the top fermenting
ales.

Pilsners are a type of lager, originally brewed in Czechoslovakia.
Budweiser is based on a Czech pilsner, but it's been modified and
commercialized until there is little Old World flavor left. Euro
lagers and pilsners are much more hoppy and quite tasty. Budvar is
the name of the original Czech Budweiser beer, but Bud® sued them out of
their own original name. Big money wins.

So now, Bud and Miller and Coors are all calling themselves "pilsners"
instead of the plain ol' pedestrian "lager". Still mega-swilll, where
the starch for the alcohol comes from corn or rice instead of barely
or wheat and any hops are imitation or genetically modified.

Lotta great pilners/lagers, out there. Even one from the US! Yes,
Trumer Pils is pretty good and it's brewed in Berkeley, CA. My other
fave is Bitburger Pils, a German lager. Both have the hops I so
dearly love.

I usta buy wheat beers (wit biers) and it would come in a long tall
beer glass with a lemon. Later I discovered good beers, like IPAs,
taste of citrus, naturally, depending on which hops and yeast one uses.

No, you will not find any very good beers for under $1 per bottle. And
that's actually cheap. I typically pay $1-1.50 per btl for a good IPA.
Adding flavors to cheap beer is a no-win situation. You still end up
with swill.

nb

On 2015-01-16, barbie gee > wrote:

> I live in Chicago, and here we have an overabundance of
> microbrews....

No such animal.

nb

On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 1:35:02 AM UTC-8, Xeno wrote:

> On 16/01/2015 7:41 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
A few days earlier, at the same home, I was offered a
> Bintang. That's an Indonesian pale lager. That wasn't too bad but not as
> good as Bintang was 35 years ago when I lived in that country. I have
> always been a ready sampler of "foreign" brews.
>

Actually, a "Bintang" is a locally brewed Heineken. I suppose the Indonesians
(a former Dutch colony) had a hard time saying "Heineken," so they
zeroed in on the red star on the label. (Bintang is Indonesian for Star.)

The world standard for lager is a low flavored pils type. Look at Stella
Artois, the standard Kirin, Suntory, Sapporo beers, Coors, etc. Heineken
actually has more malt flavor than most. But, say Munich's Helles and
Dunkel types are full of flavor.

Low flavored cheap lagers have one advantage in the summer: you are free
to put ice cubes in them to keep them chilled. And the resulting dilution
turns the standard product into its "Lite" equivalent.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 05:55:28 -0800 (PST), Christopher Helms
> wrote:


>The problem isn't lager, it's the way American brewers make it: Lots of corn and rice to replace large portions of barley, nice "inoffensive" yeast strains that won't taste like anything, nice, predictable Willamette hops and then it's served just above freezing to minimize any latent taste that might have snuck in during the process. "Light" beer is even worse, if that's possible.
>
>Americans seem to think that good beer should be about one click above fizz water, and that's what they demand. It's too bad, because beer can be so much more.

Thanks, never realised they used corn and rice instead of barley, that
explains a lot.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 00:50:34 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 11:55:15 PM UTC-6, Je�us wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:40:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>> >>
>> >Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>>
>> I thought it was urine? Are there any american beers that /don't/
>> taste like urine?
>
>You might find this interesting.
>
>http://schlafly.com/beers/styles/tasmanian-ipa/
>
>It is delicious, and brewed less than 2 miles from my house, in a building
>that used to house the grocery store where my wife and I shopped when we
>were first married in the mid-1980s. I don't drink it often, as it is pricier than their lighter APA.
>http://schlafly.com/beers/styles/dry-hopped-apa/

Looks good, the American micro breweries have really latched onto IPA
I have noticed. Nothing wrong with that, IPAs are one of the better
types of beer out there and one that allows a lot of scope for
experimentation with flavours.

>I love flavored beer, flavored with lots and lots of hops.

Then you would love this:
http://www.coopers.com.au/#/our-beer...g-vintage-ale/
I buy a carton or two of this each year. It's hard to exaggerate just
how good this ale is (so it should be for the price). I don't know how
they manage to get such delicate yet very noticeable fruity notes out
of the hops, but they do. I only drink one or two bottles at a time,
as the flavour is quite intense, but just delicious.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 03:12:07 -0600, wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:55:05 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>>
>>I thought it was urine? Are there any american beers that /don't/
>>taste like urine?
>
>Hamms Beer is the best beer in America!

I was being facetious, of course, there are bound to be some good
American beers - although not from any of the major breweries (much
like anywhere else in the world). Never heard of Hamms beer, I might
have a look the next time I go shopping out of curiosities sake.

On 2015-01-16, Jeßus > wrote:

> Thanks, never realised they used corn and rice instead of barley, that
> explains a lot.

Oh yes! .....Budweiser even brags about it on their cans. Claim it's
to make Bud taste mellow. Bud clains on its website that rice costs
more than malted barley. ?????

nb

On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 05:48:09 -0800 (PST), Christopher Helms
> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 11:55:15 PM UTC-6, Je�us wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:40:33 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >On 1/15/2015 7:58 PM, wrote:
>> >
>> >> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>> >>
>> >> marc
>> >>
>> >Add water and it will be Budweiser.
>>
>> I thought it was urine? Are there any american beers that /don't/
>> taste like urine?
>
>I'm currently loving Ranger IPA. If you're interested in a good American beer or ale, or anything from a US brewery, you pretty much have to go to the smaller, "micro" brewers, and there are a ton of really good ones out there right now. The big guys have been making slightly different variations of the exact same thing for the last 75 years. The smaller outfits are where the action is these days.

Agreed, the big breweries around the world brew to a price, not to a
quality. None of them to my knowledge brew 'properly' and have modern
processes in place that to me makes the beer just not right at all in
terms of flavour and mouthfeel. It's great that micro breweries have
taken off as they have, we also have many here in Aus. In Tasmania it
is more cider and perry than beer, but we have more micro breweries
than I can count now and I've lost track.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 00:52:58 -0800 (PST), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 12:06:29 AM UTC-6, Je�us wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:53:18 -0600, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:58:52 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>> >
>> >> I didn't care for paying a buck [or more] for a bottle of exotic beer,
>> >> so started experimenting
>> >>
>> >> I like these additives:
>> >>
>> >> lime juice
>> >> lemon juice
>> >> tomato juice
>> >> orange juice
>> >>
>> >> I'm thinking of trying a little Molasses
>> >>
>> >> any other ideas, for a flavor?
>> >
>> >A shot of good, flavorless vodka.
>>
>> That's called ethanol.
>
>The last time I took a shot of 40% ethanol, it was tequila, and the year
>was 1999. I imagine that sentence will stand forever true.

I have plenty of 97% ethanol here It usually gets cut down to 40%,
sometimes 55% (mainly just so one can say it's 100 proof). I get oak
staves (from old whiskey and wine barrels) and make my own 'bourbon'.
It comes out a lot better than you would think it does, even if only a
few months old. It improves the older it gets, of course.

On 2015-01-16 2:06 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 05:55:28 -0800 (PST), Christopher Helms
> > wrote:
>
>
>> The problem isn't lager, it's the way American brewers make it: Lots of corn and rice to replace large portions of barley, nice "inoffensive" yeast strains that won't taste like anything, nice, predictable Willamette hops and then it's served just above freezing to minimize any latent taste that might have snuck in during the process. "Light" beer is even worse, if that's possible.
>>
>> Americans seem to think that good beer should be about one click above fizz water, and that's what they demand. It's too bad, because beer can be so much more.
>
> Thanks, never realised they used corn and rice instead of barley, that
> explains a lot.
>


A lot of my fellow countrymen have a self righteous attitude about our
domestic beers compared to American beer. AFASIC, the most popular
Canadian beers are no better than most American beers. Most beer
drinkers seem to judge beer on how much you can drink with getting gas
or suffering some other side effect. They are brand loyal and have no
concept of pairing beers with food. Heaven forbid someone might enough
one good substantial beer that doesn't leave your craving more. I
confess that there are times when I enjoy a Corona, but that stuff goes
down like water.

On 2015-01-16, Jeßus > wrote:

> Never heard of Hamms beer, I might have a look the next time I go
> shopping out of curiosities sake.

Usta be a big name with mucho advertising budget:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tboz-HYFc_8

It's since been passed around (acquired) by other bigger breweries,
the last being MillerCoors. It's jes another USA mega-swill, but is
still available in the US. It's the signs (bar/store/neon) that were
cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQXL8ul9-qY

Note the moving water effect in the waterfalls. Hamm's signs were
always good for a realistic waterfall.

nb

On 16 Jan 2015 19:27:36 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-01-16, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> Thanks, never realised they used corn and rice instead of barley, that
>> explains a lot.
>
>Oh yes! .....Budweiser even brags about it on their cans. Claim it's
>to make Bud taste mellow.

Eww. I just can't see it myself: corn and rice. Clearly it's done
because it's cheaper, no other reason, so they use reverse-psychology
and try to turn it into a positive!

>Bud clains on its website that rice costs
>more than malted barley. ?????

Possibly, although that is difficult to believe. Malted barley is an
involved process (even with mechanisation). Of course, combined with
the endless supply of cheap U.S corn (which seems to be in *every*
food/drink product in the U.S), it would surely work out significantly
cheaper for Budwieser.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:36:09 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-01-16 2:06 PM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 05:55:28 -0800 (PST), Christopher Helms
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The problem isn't lager, it's the way American brewers make it: Lots of corn and rice to replace large portions of barley, nice "inoffensive" yeast strains that won't taste like anything, nice, predictable Willamette hops and then it's served just above freezing to minimize any latent taste that might have snuck in during the process. "Light" beer is even worse, if that's possible.
>>>
>>> Americans seem to think that good beer should be about one click above fizz water, and that's what they demand. It's too bad, because beer can be so much more.
>>
>> Thanks, never realised they used corn and rice instead of barley, that
>> explains a lot.
>
>A lot of my fellow countrymen have a self righteous attitude about our
>domestic beers compared to American beer.

You get that anywhere in the world, to be fair.

>AFASIC, the most popular
>Canadian beers are no better than most American beers. Most beer
>drinkers seem to judge beer on how much you can drink with getting gas
>or suffering some other side effect. They are brand loyal and have no
>concept of pairing beers with food. Heaven forbid someone might enough
>one good substantial beer that doesn't leave your craving more.

Drinking for quantity over quality? Brand loyalty is an endemic
problem, people get accustomed to a certain type of beer and so
anything else just isn't right in their opinion... I like a little
variety myself, although I do tend to drink the same three types of
beer, all from the same company. Their beers are just plain different
from any other Aus major breweries and are the only ones I truly
enjoy. Having said that, there's many good micro breweries here that
have very nice products.


>I confess that there are times when I enjoy a Corona, but that stuff
>goes down like water.

Yes, a little too watery for me.

On 16 Jan 2015 19:42:08 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-01-16, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> Never heard of Hamms beer, I might have a look the next time I go
>> shopping out of curiosities sake.
>
>Usta be a big name with mucho advertising budget:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tboz-HYFc_8

Heh, quite an odd thing to watch in this day and age

>It's since been passed around (acquired) by other bigger breweries,
>the last being MillerCoors. It's jes another USA mega-swill, but is
>still available in the US. It's the signs (bar/store/neon) that were
>cool:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQXL8ul9-qY

That's pretty cool indeed.

>Note the moving water effect in the waterfalls. Hamm's signs were
>always good for a realistic waterfall.

Imagine how much they would cost to make these days...