On 1/24/2015 12:02 PM, wrote:

> Back in the days when I continually went back and forth to the far
> east, I was having them on a regular basis, you had to and be able to
> produce the doctors certificate you had them. Eventually after the
> last time I had the TBATP one I was so ill that I was provided with a
> certificate that said there was more danger to me having the shot than
> any of the diseases.
>
I still have my last inoculation certificate, a little yellow booklet
listing all sorts of diseases. It's in the box with all the old passports.

On 1/24/2015 11:05 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 1/24/2015 8:11 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 1/23/2015 11:13 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>> My insurance company's nurse didn't say anything about bird flu but did
>>> suggest I get a tetanus shot along with the Typhoid vaccine, Hep A and
>>> usual flu and pneumonia vaccines.
>>>
>> Many years ago, I had a series of three typhoid shots. Within a half
>> hour of the first one, my arm blew up like a balloon, and my blood
>> pressure dropped. The second one, a week later, wasn't quite that bad.
>> The third one was tolerable.
>> It was a combination of typhoid, paratyphoid, and typhus vaccines, IIRC.
>> I hope they've improved since then.
>
> They must have because I got one shot and no reaction.
>
I'm glad to hear that!

On 1/24/2015 1:21 AM, Xeno wrote:
> On 24/01/2015 5:24 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 4:44:02 PM UTC-10, Xeno wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>>> Sorry to hear this - that's one shitty deal. What did you get infected
>>>> with?
>>>
>>> The doctors at the hospital I ended up in had no idea. By the time I got
>>> there, the nasty had wreaked its havoc and moved on leaving me quite
>>> debilitated. All they told me was that, given the symptoms, it was most
>>> likely a virus. I suspect it might have been a form of Dengue though
>>> they hang around for quite some time in an active state. A friend of
>>> mine got infected with that when he was working offshore in Indonesia.
>>> He ended up in Jakarta, then Singapore and they eventually medivacced
>>> him to Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital in Melbourne. He was off
>>> work for up to a year from memory. He has lived permanently in Thailand
>>> now for the past 30 odd years so I hope he has built up an immunity in
>>> that time....
>>
>> We had a dengue fever outbreak on this rock a few years ago. That was
> > kind of scary. I have not heard of this disease being passed by water
> > though.
>>
>>
> I as under the impression it was transmitted by mosquitoes. That's why,
> when I saw the mosquitoes in the water tanks, I determined to avoid
> drinking that water and stick with bottled water. The best laid plans....
>
> Anyway, as I said, the doctors at the Bangkok hospital I attended
> couldn't find a trace of what the cause was. It may not have been the
> Dengue virus but I'm damned sure it was one of his cousins!
>
>
>>
>>> The obvious answer is to avoid contact with water that has not been
>>> extensively purified. I remember when I was in my sister in laws house
>>> in Bangkok, I remember having a shower and the water was leaving a
>>> burning sensation on my lips as it flowed across them. Later on I was
>>> discussing this with my brothers in law and one, who worked for the
>>> Bangkok Water Authority, told me that I didn't want to know what was
>>> needed to be put into the water to purify it.. ;-) Even they didn't
>>> drink that water!
>>
>> Well okay, you got me sold!
>>
> Wise man! ;-)
>
> PS Not even for cleaning your teeth... ;-)
>
>

I'm hearing you like you're reading from the bible!

On 1/24/2015 2:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/22/2015 1:21 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> It was a first for me. I had been curious about Vietnamese food for
>>> years but never got around to trying it. Today my son and I went to
>>> Hamilton for something and were driving along looking for the place and
>>> passed an area where there were a number of Vietnamese stores and
>>> restaurants. After we got what we had gone there for we went back and
>>> had a late lunch/early supper. I can't begin pronounce the dish I had
>>> but it was rice vermicelli with a spring roll and grilled chicken. It
>>> was pretty tasty.
>>
>> We are regulars to a Vietnamese place down the street. The guy always
>> knows what we're gonna order. The wife gets lemon grass chicken. My
>> son gets garlic chicken. I show my face there and the owner says
>> "Chicken Wing!" I guess that's what he knows me as. What can I say,
>> it's great chicken wings.
>>
>> My son took me to a VT restaurant that he favors. It's kind of a
>> hole-in-the-wall, although that's the way most VT joints are. There
>> was a hen and a line of baby chicks strolling around in the kitchen.
>> Damn, you can't get more authentic than that!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8szUeopBjyw
>
> My dad used to be known as "Arose Con Pollo" by the owner of a Mexican
> restaurant because that was his favorite dish there. He tried it at
> other places but never liked it except for there. I was sad to see that
> place go. Loved the food! But the building owner failed to renew his
> lease and instead put in an appliance store.
>
> On the last day of business, Ramón told us to come in and have whatever
> we wanted to eat, on the house. And he wasn't kidding! He seemed sad
> that Angela and I were the only ones from my family who showed up. He
> said that he had to get rid of all of the food anyway so he was just
> going to offer it for free to anyone who came in on that day.
>
> Turns out that he is a relative of one of the restaurants where we now
> eat. He is running a restaurant in another part of the state that is not
> an area we'd ever be likely to go. But he came back once to visit and
> had gone into what was then called the DMV. My dad had taken me in
> there for some reason. And we heard a shout across the parking lot,
> "Hey! Arroz Con Pollo!" It was Ramón!

Sounds like you got a Lifetime Movie Network movie right there. :-)

On 25/01/2015 2:45 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 1/24/2015 10:38 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote
>>> On 1/23/2015 11:13 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> My insurance company's nurse didn't say anything about bird flu but did
>>>> suggest I get a tetanus shot along with the Typhoid vaccine, Hep A and
>>>> usual flu and pneumonia vaccines.
>>>>
>>> Many years ago, I had a series of three typhoid shots. Within a half
>>> hour of the first one, my arm blew up like a balloon, and my blood
>>> pressure dropped. The second one, a week later, wasn't quite that bad.
>>> The third one was tolerable.
>>> It was a combination of typhoid, paratyphoid, and typhus vaccines, IIRC.
>>> I hope they've improved since then.
>>
>> It is too be hoped so. The shots were hellish then.
>>
> Indeed they were. What made it worse for me - I had asked my GP if there
> were any likely side effects - he assured me there wouldn't be.
>
>
I don't think they can ever guarantee that you won't get a nasty
reaction. The doctor should have alerted you to the possibility.

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On 1/24/2015 5:03 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 25/01/2015 2:45 AM, S Viemeister wrote:

>> Indeed they were. What made it worse for me - I had asked my GP if there
>> were any likely side effects - he assured me there wouldn't be.
>>
> I don't think they can ever guarantee that you won't get a nasty
> reaction. The doctor should have alerted you to the possibility.
>
I was annoyed - he seemed to think not telling me, would somehow be
better than 'worrying' me by being upfront. He compounded it by telling
me that the _second_ shot wouldn't have the same effect. It did, but not
quite to the same degree of awfulness.

On 23 Jan 2015 17:03:44 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-01-22, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> It was a first for me. I had been curious about Vietnamese food for
>> years but never got around to trying it. Today my son and I went to
>> Hamilton for something and were driving along looking for the place
>> and passed an area where there were a number of Vietnamese stores
>> and restaurants. After we got what we had gone there for we went
>> back and had a late lunch/early supper. I can't begin pronounce the
>> dish I had but it was rice vermicelli with a spring roll and grilled
>> chicken. It was pretty tasty.
>
>While Viet food can be quite good and very tasty, some of it can also
>be pretty boring. Not sure what it is, but the take-out I usta
>frequent hadda lotta desert items for sale. While there were many
>different looking food-stuffs, they were all contained the same thing,
>some kinda rice gummy-bear concoction w/ day-glo green and pink
>colors. Rows and rows of 'em. Weird stuff.

Sago. A lot of Asian sweets are made of some cobination of sago/palm
sugar/coconut. The bright green is a natural colouring made from
pandanus, cannot remeber about the pink.

<snip>

JB

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:32:34 -0600, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 1/23/2015 4:25 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 24/01/2015 7:47 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:36:36 -0600, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>
>>>> Neither of us can tolerate hot-spicy foods. What are some things in Ho
>>>> Chi Minh City that you all would recommend we order?
>>>>
>>>> No chicken--the travel nurse said not to order chicken because of
>>>> bird flu.
>>>
>>> Your nurse is paranoid and over-reactive. You stand a much better
>>> chance of getting salmonella or listeria here in the U.S. than you do
>>> getting bird flu in SE Asia. Your best bet in Vietnam right now is
>>> contracting measles more than anything else.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>> True. It seems the only people who contract bird flu are those who work
>> full time with live chickens. The paranoia spreads far more readily than
>> the bird flu does.
>>
>It was my friend's travel nurse who is with Kaiser. It is in Kaiser's
>literature on traveling to those countries.

Then they are incorrect. Bird flu is not transmiited through the
eating of chicken (or eggs). Check with the CDC.

JB

>
>I've had more than my share of health issues and I live with (currently
>in remission) lung cancer, so please understand if I'm a bit over cautious.

On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 22:21:55 +1100, Xeno >
wrote:

>On 24/01/2015 5:24 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 4:44:02 PM UTC-10, Xeno wrote:
>
>
><snip>
>
>>>> Sorry to hear this - that's one shitty deal. What did you get infected
>>>> with?
>>>
>>> The doctors at the hospital I ended up in had no idea. By the time I got
>>> there, the nasty had wreaked its havoc and moved on leaving me quite
>>> debilitated. All they told me was that, given the symptoms, it was most
>>> likely a virus. I suspect it might have been a form of Dengue though
>>> they hang around for quite some time in an active state. A friend of
>>> mine got infected with that when he was working offshore in Indonesia.
>>> He ended up in Jakarta, then Singapore and they eventually medivacced
>>> him to Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital in Melbourne. He was off
>>> work for up to a year from memory. He has lived permanently in Thailand
>>> now for the past 30 odd years so I hope he has built up an immunity in
>>> that time....
>>
>> We had a dengue fever outbreak on this rock a few years ago. That was
> > kind of scary. I have not heard of this disease being passed by water
> > though.
>>
>>
>I as under the impression it was transmitted by mosquitoes. That's why,
>when I saw the mosquitoes in the water tanks, I determined to avoid
>drinking that water and stick with bottled water. The best laid plans....

It is transmitted by the bite of the mosquito not by drinking water
with mosquitos in it. It is a blood bourne disease trasmitted from
person to person by the bite of mosquitos.

JB

>
<snip>

On 25/01/2015 2:31 PM, JBurns wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 22:21:55 +1100, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/01/2015 5:24 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 4:44:02 PM UTC-10, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> Sorry to hear this - that's one shitty deal. What did you get infected
>>>>> with?
>>>>
>>>> The doctors at the hospital I ended up in had no idea. By the time I got
>>>> there, the nasty had wreaked its havoc and moved on leaving me quite
>>>> debilitated. All they told me was that, given the symptoms, it was most
>>>> likely a virus. I suspect it might have been a form of Dengue though
>>>> they hang around for quite some time in an active state. A friend of
>>>> mine got infected with that when he was working offshore in Indonesia.
>>>> He ended up in Jakarta, then Singapore and they eventually medivacced
>>>> him to Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital in Melbourne. He was off
>>>> work for up to a year from memory. He has lived permanently in Thailand
>>>> now for the past 30 odd years so I hope he has built up an immunity in
>>>> that time....
>>>
>>> We had a dengue fever outbreak on this rock a few years ago. That was
>>> kind of scary. I have not heard of this disease being passed by water
>>> though.
>>>
>>>
>> I as under the impression it was transmitted by mosquitoes. That's why,
>> when I saw the mosquitoes in the water tanks, I determined to avoid
>> drinking that water and stick with bottled water. The best laid plans....
>
> It is transmitted by the bite of the mosquito not by drinking water
> with mosquitos in it. It is a blood bourne disease trasmitted from
> person to person by the bite of mosquitos.
>
> JB
>
>>
> <snip>
>
That has always been my understanding of it. It's appearance was way to
quick for typical Dengue as well, 2 hours from drinking the water. It
may have been a coincidence however and I may have been bitten by a
Dengue carrying mossie some days earlier.

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"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
> On 25/01/2015 2:31 PM, JBurns wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 22:21:55 +1100, Xeno >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/01/2015 5:24 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 4:44:02 PM UTC-10, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to hear this - that's one shitty deal. What did you get
>>>>>> infected
>>>>>> with?
>>>>>
>>>>> The doctors at the hospital I ended up in had no idea. By the time I
>>>>> got
>>>>> there, the nasty had wreaked its havoc and moved on leaving me quite
>>>>> debilitated. All they told me was that, given the symptoms, it was
>>>>> most
>>>>> likely a virus. I suspect it might have been a form of Dengue though
>>>>> they hang around for quite some time in an active state. A friend of
>>>>> mine got infected with that when he was working offshore in Indonesia.
>>>>> He ended up in Jakarta, then Singapore and they eventually medivacced
>>>>> him to Fairfield Infectious Diseases Hospital in Melbourne. He was off
>>>>> work for up to a year from memory. He has lived permanently in
>>>>> Thailand
>>>>> now for the past 30 odd years so I hope he has built up an immunity in
>>>>> that time....
>>>>
>>>> We had a dengue fever outbreak on this rock a few years ago. That was
>>>> kind of scary. I have not heard of this disease being passed by water
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I as under the impression it was transmitted by mosquitoes. That's why,
>>> when I saw the mosquitoes in the water tanks, I determined to avoid
>>> drinking that water and stick with bottled water. The best laid
>>> plans....
>>
>> It is transmitted by the bite of the mosquito not by drinking water
>> with mosquitos in it. It is a blood bourne disease trasmitted from
>> person to person by the bite of mosquitos.
>>
>> JB
>>
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
> That has always been my understanding of it. It's appearance was way to
> quick for typical Dengue as well, 2 hours from drinking the water. It may
> have been a coincidence however and I may have been bitten by a Dengue
> carrying mossie some days earlier.

When I lived in India Dengue was rife and all outside water was drained off.
Odd to see the Taj Mahal with no water in front of it

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> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:08:50 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> That has always been my understanding of it. It's appearance was way to
>>> quick for typical Dengue as well, 2 hours from drinking the water. It
>>> may
>>> have been a coincidence however and I may have been bitten by a Dengue
>>> carrying mossie some days earlier.
>>
>>When I lived in India Dengue was rife and all outside water was drained
>>off.
>>Odd to see the Taj Mahal with no water in front of it
>
> To avoid it in HK they had these big reservoirs, about 20ft x 15 which
> would catch the run off from the hills and when it was full, it
> triggered a mechanism that released it. We used to love swimming
> there, it was safe, a kid could not have been flushed into the
> machinery or anything. I imagine a parent today would freak
> completely out to think of their little dears swimming in those pools,
> generally only an amah or two with us and they couldn't swim and were
> deadly afraid of the water lol I am sorry for kids today, they miss
> so much fun.

True but I imagine they are much safer


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