"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 12:08:40 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-02-18 10:56 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
>>
>> >>> Which ain't gonna happen with only a 2 year junior college degree.
>> >>>
>> >> Yep, that was rather my point.
>> >>
>> >> Jill
>> >
>> > Not to mention no math, no history, no pre-college track classes in
>> > high
>> > school whatsoever. It's really no wonder why a career at KMart was a
>> > better
>> > option than college for her. Something has to give!
>> >
>>
>>
>> Career? It was the best she ever attained, and it didn't last very long.
>
> Now she has a better gig than anyone here. She sits on her ass and
> collects "disability" welfare.

Hardly. I don't make enough to live on. Not in this area anyway. And I
really do miss working. I am a people person. You don't see too many
people sitting at home and there isn't much I can do to go out and interact
with people since I can't stand up for long or walk very far. I can't even
sit for extended periods of time without extreme pain setting in.

I have had really extreme leg pain since Sat. I can barely walk and each
and every time I have to get up or down, I have to really think about it and
decide if it is totally necessary because doing so causes me to howl with
pain. Driving a car is torture because to lift my foot from the brake to
the gas causes me to howl like a wolf and getting in and out of the car is
sheer torture.

Worse still is lying down. You would think that would bring some comfort,
but no. Only makes the pain worse. And nothing is helping. Not heat,
massage, Tylenol or even trying to walk it off or stretch. I don't know the
cause of it is but I may have to go to the Dr. if it continues. I had
planned to do the spring cleaning now when Angela is out of school. I did
manage to do a little bit but if things don't get better then not much more
will get done now.

Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00 a.m. I
had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come. I'm sure he
wondered about me. I was still fully dressed but had a bathrobe on over my
clothes to try to increase the warmth to my leg muscles. I could neither
sit nor stand well so I was partway on and partway off of the unreclined
recliner, thrashing this way and that trying to seek relief. Thankfully he
was a fast worker so I was able to get to bed around 8::00. And while that
didn't bring relief I was able to sleep for a few hours and when asleep I
mostly don't seem to notice the pain. Although sometimes it is bad enough
to wake me. Just takes a while to get to sleep because of the pain.

My neck is also so stiff that I can barely move it and my right arm muscles
are as the rheumatologist put it once, like iron. Normally when they are
like this, Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost always affects both
sides equally. Right now it is only the right arm and the right leg is far
worse than the left.

I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to live.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:01:23 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost always affects both
> sides equally. Right now it is only the right arm and the right leg is far
> worse than the left.
>
> I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to live.

No, it's not. I know two people who have it and another one with
neuralgia - but theirs is not as debilitating as yours seems to be.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:01:23 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost always affects both
>> sides equally. Right now it is only the right arm and the right leg is
>> far
>> worse than the left.
>>
>> I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to live.
>
> No, it's not. I know two people who have it and another one with
> neuralgia - but theirs is not as debilitating as yours seems to be.

I also have neuropathy, venous insufficiency, scoliosis and psoriatic
arthritis. So it can be hard to suss out the source of the pain.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:01:23 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost always affects both
> > > sides equally. Right now it is only the right arm and the right
> > > leg is far worse than the left.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way
> > > to live.
> >
> > No, it's not. I know two people who have it and another one with
> > neuralgia - but theirs is not as debilitating as yours seems to be.
>
> I also have neuropathy, venous insufficiency, scoliosis and psoriatic
> arthritis. So it can be hard to suss out the source of the pain.

Scoliosis might be related. Something already slipped, slipped worse.

I used to have normal shoulders. At age 40 it changed and now one is a
good 2 inches higher than the other.



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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:01:23 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost always affects both
>> > > sides equally. Right now it is only the right arm and the right
>> > > leg is far worse than the left.
>> > >
>> > > I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way
>> > > to live.
>> >
>> > No, it's not. I know two people who have it and another one with
>> > neuralgia - but theirs is not as debilitating as yours seems to be.
>>
>> I also have neuropathy, venous insufficiency, scoliosis and psoriatic
>> arthritis. So it can be hard to suss out the source of the pain.
>
> Scoliosis might be related. Something already slipped, slipped worse.
>
> I used to have normal shoulders. At age 40 it changed and now one is a
> good 2 inches higher than the other.

Could be. Oddly enough, I rarely have back pain. My shoulders are off as
are my hips. My spine is an "S" shape but they didn't catch it soon enough
to really do anything about it. Yes, they probably could have attempted to
do something about it but it may well not have helped. I had a roommate who
had very severe scoliosis. They had to put rods in her back. She was in
constant pain, could barely move her neck and couldn't bend over. So had
they attempted to do something, I could have wound up like that.

Same for my bad knee which I no longer seem to have. The Dr. said that the
operation they could do at the time would only create more scar tissue. The
vascular surgeon said the problems with the knee stem from the bad veins.
The blood can't get to the muscles, the muscles get weak, the knee slips out
of place. Since being on the treatment for the veins, I have only had two
incidents of the knee slipping out of place. Used to happen at least once a
month.

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:01:23 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> > Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost always affects both
> > sides equally. Right now it is only the right arm and the right
> > leg is far worse than the left.
> >
> > I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to
> > live.
>
> No, it's not. I know two people who have it and another one with
> neuralgia - but theirs is not as debilitating as yours seems to be.

Correct, not fibrom. It;s an almost picture perfect vision of spinal
issues. I do not know if Fibrom leads to that though. Doesnt matter
even if it does lead to it. She need an MRI, lower and upper.

Carol



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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:01:23 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost always affects both
>> > sides equally. Right now it is only the right arm and the right
>> > leg is far worse than the left.
>> >
>> > I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to
>> > live.
>>
>> No, it's not. I know two people who have it and another one with
>> neuralgia - but theirs is not as debilitating as yours seems to be.
>
> Correct, not fibrom. It;s an almost picture perfect vision of spinal
> issues. I do not know if Fibrom leads to that though. Doesnt matter
> even if it does lead to it. She need an MRI, lower and upper.

I looked up the Degenerative Disc Disease and that does not sound like my
symptoms. But I could be wrong. And no, Fibro has nothing to do with
discs.

On Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 5:01:37 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 12:08:40 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2015-02-18 10:56 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
> >>
> >> >>> Which ain't gonna happen with only a 2 year junior college degree.
> >> >>>
> >> >> Yep, that was rather my point.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jill
> >> >
> >> > Not to mention no math, no history, no pre-college track classes in
> >> > high
> >> > school whatsoever. It's really no wonder why a career at KMart was a
> >> > better
> >> > option than college for her. Something has to give!
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Career? It was the best she ever attained, and it didn't last very long.
> >
> > Now she has a better gig than anyone here. She sits on her ass and
> > collects "disability" welfare.
>
> Hardly. I don't make enough to live on. Not in this area anyway. And I
> really do miss working. I am a people person. You don't see too many
> people sitting at home and there isn't much I can do to go out and interact
> with people since I can't stand up for long or walk very far. I can't even
> sit for extended periods of time without extreme pain setting in.
>
> I have had really extreme leg pain since Sat. I can barely walk and each
> and every time I have to get up or down, I have to really think about it and
> decide if it is totally necessary because doing so causes me to howl with
> pain. Driving a car is torture because to lift my foot from the brake to
> the gas causes me to howl like a wolf and getting in and out of the car is
> sheer torture.
>
> Worse still is lying down. You would think that would bring some comfort,
> but no. Only makes the pain worse. And nothing is helping. Not heat,
> massage, Tylenol or even trying to walk it off or stretch. I don't know the
> cause of it is but I may have to go to the Dr. if it continues. I had
> planned to do the spring cleaning now when Angela is out of school. I did
> manage to do a little bit but if things don't get better then not much more
> will get done now.
>
> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00 a.m. I
> had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come. I'm sure he
> wondered about me. I was still fully dressed but had a bathrobe on over my
> clothes to try to increase the warmth to my leg muscles. I could neither
> sit nor stand well so I was partway on and partway off of the unreclined
> recliner, thrashing this way and that trying to seek relief. Thankfully he
> was a fast worker so I was able to get to bed around 8::00. And while that
> didn't bring relief I was able to sleep for a few hours and when asleep I
> mostly don't seem to notice the pain. Although sometimes it is bad enough
> to wake me. Just takes a while to get to sleep because of the pain.
>
> My neck is also so stiff that I can barely move it and my right arm muscles
> are as the rheumatologist put it once, like iron. Normally when they are
> like this, Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost always affects both
> sides equally. Right now it is only the right arm and the right leg is far
> worse than the left.
>
> I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to live.

Creative writing at its best, eh Julie? Way to go.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:25:02 -0800 (PST), Roy >
wrote:

>On Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 5:01:37 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 12:08:40 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2015-02-18 10:56 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>> Which ain't gonna happen with only a 2 year junior college degree.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> Yep, that was rather my point.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jill
>> >> >
>> >> > Not to mention no math, no history, no pre-college track classes in
>> >> > high
>> >> > school whatsoever. It's really no wonder why a career at KMart was a
>> >> > better
>> >> > option than college for her. Something has to give!
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Career? It was the best she ever attained, and it didn't last very long.
>> >
>> > Now she has a better gig than anyone here. She sits on her ass and
>> > collects "disability" welfare.
>>
>> Hardly. I don't make enough to live on. Not in this area anyway. And I
>> really do miss working. I am a people person. You don't see too many
>> people sitting at home and there isn't much I can do to go out and interact
>> with people since I can't stand up for long or walk very far. I can't even
>> sit for extended periods of time without extreme pain setting in.
>>
>> I have had really extreme leg pain since Sat. I can barely walk and each
>> and every time I have to get up or down, I have to really think about it and
>> decide if it is totally necessary because doing so causes me to howl with
>> pain. Driving a car is torture because to lift my foot from the brake to
>> the gas causes me to howl like a wolf and getting in and out of the car is
>> sheer torture.
>>
>> Worse still is lying down. You would think that would bring some comfort,
>> but no. Only makes the pain worse. And nothing is helping. Not heat,
>> massage, Tylenol or even trying to walk it off or stretch. I don't know the
>> cause of it is but I may have to go to the Dr. if it continues. I had
>> planned to do the spring cleaning now when Angela is out of school. I did
>> manage to do a little bit but if things don't get better then not much more
>> will get done now.
>>
>> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00 a.m. I
>> had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come. I'm sure he
>> wondered about me. I was still fully dressed but had a bathrobe on over my
>> clothes to try to increase the warmth to my leg muscles. I could neither
>> sit nor stand well so I was partway on and partway off of the unreclined
>> recliner, thrashing this way and that trying to seek relief. Thankfully he
>> was a fast worker so I was able to get to bed around 8::00. And while that
>> didn't bring relief I was able to sleep for a few hours and when asleep I
>> mostly don't seem to notice the pain. Although sometimes it is bad enough
>> to wake me. Just takes a while to get to sleep because of the pain.
>>
>> My neck is also so stiff that I can barely move it and my right arm muscles
>> are as the rheumatologist put it once, like iron. Normally when they are
>> like this, Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost always affects both
>> sides equally. Right now it is only the right arm and the right leg is far
>> worse than the left.
>>
>> I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to live.
>
>Creative writing at its best, eh Julie? Way to go.

Yep. It doesn't make any sense. Creative perhaps, but poorly thought
out.

Roy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 5:01:37 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 12:08:40 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> > >> On 2015-02-18 10:56 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
> > > >
> > >> >>> Which ain't gonna happen with only a 2 year junior college
> > degree. >> >>>
> > >> >> Yep, that was rather my point.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Jill
> > >> >
> > >> > Not to mention no math, no history, no pre-college track
> > classes in >> > high
> > >> > school whatsoever. It's really no wonder why a career at KMart
> > was a >> > better
> > >> > option than college for her. Something has to give!
> > >> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >> Career? It was the best she ever attained, and it didn't last
> > very long.
> > >
> > > Now she has a better gig than anyone here. She sits on her ass
> > > and collects "disability" welfare.
> >
> > Hardly. I don't make enough to live on. Not in this area anyway.
> > And I really do miss working. I am a people person. You don't see
> > too many people sitting at home and there isn't much I can do to go
> > out and interact with people since I can't stand up for long or
> > walk very far. I can't even sit for extended periods of time
> > without extreme pain setting in.
> >
> > I have had really extreme leg pain since Sat. I can barely walk
> > and each and every time I have to get up or down, I have to really
> > think about it and decide if it is totally necessary because doing
> > so causes me to howl with pain. Driving a car is torture because
> > to lift my foot from the brake to the gas causes me to howl like a
> > wolf and getting in and out of the car is sheer torture.
> >
> > Worse still is lying down. You would think that would bring some
> > comfort, but no. Only makes the pain worse. And nothing is
> > helping. Not heat, massage, Tylenol or even trying to walk it off
> > or stretch. I don't know the cause of it is but I may have to go
> > to the Dr. if it continues. I had planned to do the spring
> > cleaning now when Angela is out of school. I did manage to do a
> > little bit but if things don't get better then not much more will
> > get done now.
> >
> > Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
> > a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come.
> > I'm sure he wondered about me. I was still fully dressed but had a
> > bathrobe on over my clothes to try to increase the warmth to my leg
> > muscles. I could neither sit nor stand well so I was partway on
> > and partway off of the unreclined recliner, thrashing this way and
> > that trying to seek relief. Thankfully he was a fast worker so I
> > was able to get to bed around 8::00. And while that didn't bring
> > relief I was able to sleep for a few hours and when asleep I mostly
> > don't seem to notice the pain. Although sometimes it is bad enough
> > to wake me. Just takes a while to get to sleep because of the pain.
> >
> > My neck is also so stiff that I can barely move it and my right arm
> > muscles are as the rheumatologist put it once, like iron. Normally
> > when they are like this, Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost
> > always affects both sides equally. Right now it is only the right
> > arm and the right leg is far worse than the left.
> >
> > I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to
> > live.
>
> Creative writing at its best, eh Julie? Way to go.

Roy, if so she had to research both lower disc issues and upper disc
ones to come up with an almost perfect situation on how it acts. I for
one give her the time to get a diagnosis.

I was mis diagnosed for 5 years due to non-spine specialists. It was
not a fun 5 years.


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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Roy wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 5:01:37 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 12:08:40 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith
>> > > wrote:
>> > >> On 2015-02-18 10:56 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
>> > > >
>> > >> >>> Which ain't gonna happen with only a 2 year junior college
>> > degree. >> >>>
>> > >> >> Yep, that was rather my point.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Jill
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Not to mention no math, no history, no pre-college track
>> > classes in >> > high
>> > >> > school whatsoever. It's really no wonder why a career at KMart
>> > was a >> > better
>> > >> > option than college for her. Something has to give!
>> > >> >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >> Career? It was the best she ever attained, and it didn't last
>> > very long.
>> > >
>> > > Now she has a better gig than anyone here. She sits on her ass
>> > > and collects "disability" welfare.
>> >
>> > Hardly. I don't make enough to live on. Not in this area anyway.
>> > And I really do miss working. I am a people person. You don't see
>> > too many people sitting at home and there isn't much I can do to go
>> > out and interact with people since I can't stand up for long or
>> > walk very far. I can't even sit for extended periods of time
>> > without extreme pain setting in.
>> >
>> > I have had really extreme leg pain since Sat. I can barely walk
>> > and each and every time I have to get up or down, I have to really
>> > think about it and decide if it is totally necessary because doing
>> > so causes me to howl with pain. Driving a car is torture because
>> > to lift my foot from the brake to the gas causes me to howl like a
>> > wolf and getting in and out of the car is sheer torture.
>> >
>> > Worse still is lying down. You would think that would bring some
>> > comfort, but no. Only makes the pain worse. And nothing is
>> > helping. Not heat, massage, Tylenol or even trying to walk it off
>> > or stretch. I don't know the cause of it is but I may have to go
>> > to the Dr. if it continues. I had planned to do the spring
>> > cleaning now when Angela is out of school. I did manage to do a
>> > little bit but if things don't get better then not much more will
>> > get done now.
>> >
>> > Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
>> > a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come.
>> > I'm sure he wondered about me. I was still fully dressed but had a
>> > bathrobe on over my clothes to try to increase the warmth to my leg
>> > muscles. I could neither sit nor stand well so I was partway on
>> > and partway off of the unreclined recliner, thrashing this way and
>> > that trying to seek relief. Thankfully he was a fast worker so I
>> > was able to get to bed around 8::00. And while that didn't bring
>> > relief I was able to sleep for a few hours and when asleep I mostly
>> > don't seem to notice the pain. Although sometimes it is bad enough
>> > to wake me. Just takes a while to get to sleep because of the pain.
>> >
>> > My neck is also so stiff that I can barely move it and my right arm
>> > muscles are as the rheumatologist put it once, like iron. Normally
>> > when they are like this, Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost
>> > always affects both sides equally. Right now it is only the right
>> > arm and the right leg is far worse than the left.
>> >
>> > I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to
>> > live.
>>
>> Creative writing at its best, eh Julie? Way to go.
>
> Roy, if so she had to research both lower disc issues and upper disc
> ones to come up with an almost perfect situation on how it acts. I for
> one give her the time to get a diagnosis.
>
> I was mis diagnosed for 5 years due to non-spine specialists. It was
> not a fun 5 years.

I upped my dose of phytoestrogen cream for two days and the pain has seemed
to lessen, at least during the day, once I have gotten up. And when my
sources of stress are gone, there is much less pain. Right now there is
just a burning pain around my leg. Seems to go from the thigh down to the
back of my calf. It is only on the right side. And not really shooting
down or traveling. I will have pain in one area, then the other.

Am having some wrist and finger numbness/pain but I have carpal tunnel as
well. Normally that is not a problem unless I have done too much. I don't
think that I have but I am also not typing in a normal fashion. Somehow my
keyboard pullout got pushed in too far and I can't figure out how to get it
back out. I did it before but what I did before isn't working now. So I am
typing with my hands partially under the desk.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:01:23 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Hardly. I don't make enough to live on.

Uh-huh. That would explain why you buy so much food online, and why
you've spent so much on your house lately (so you claim anyway).

>Not in this area anyway. And I
>really do miss working.

>I am a people person.

Pity the 'people' don't have any say in the matter...


>people sitting at home and there isn't much I can do to go out and interact
>with people since I can't stand up for long or walk very far. I can't even
>sit for extended periods of time without extreme pain setting in.
>
>I have had really extreme leg pain since Sat. I can barely walk and each
>and every time I have to get up or down, I have to really think about it and
>decide if it is totally necessary because doing so causes me to howl with
>pain. Driving a car is torture because to lift my foot from the brake to
>the gas causes me to howl like a wolf and getting in and out of the car is
>sheer torture.
>
>Worse still is lying down. You would think that would bring some comfort,
>but no. Only makes the pain worse. And nothing is helping. Not heat,
>massage, Tylenol or even trying to walk it off or stretch. I don't know the
>cause of it is but I may have to go to the Dr. if it continues. I had
>planned to do the spring cleaning now when Angela is out of school. I did
>manage to do a little bit but if things don't get better then not much more
>will get done now.

You're your own worst enemy.

>Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00 a.m. I
>had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come.

"Hardly. I don't make enough to live on" Uh-huh...

I guess in bove-world there is no back door to use for a few hours,
then get a cheaper locksmith to sort the problem during normal
business hours. Or let a neighbour, husband or whoever fix it for you
for free.


>I'm sure he wondered about me.

More than you could ever realise, I'm sure.

>I was still fully dressed but had a bathrobe on over my
>clothes to try to increase the warmth to my leg muscles. I could neither
>sit nor stand well so I was partway on and partway off of the unreclined
>recliner, thrashing this way and that trying to seek relief. Thankfully he
>was a fast worker so I was able to get to bed around 8::00.

WTF? Why didn't you sleep and *then* get the lock fixed?

>And while that
>didn't bring relief I was able to sleep for a few hours and when asleep I
>mostly don't seem to notice the pain. Although sometimes it is bad enough
>to wake me. Just takes a while to get to sleep because of the pain.
>
>My neck is also so stiff that I can barely move it and my right arm muscles
>are as the rheumatologist put it once, like iron. Normally when they are
>like this, Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost always affects both
>sides equally. Right now it is only the right arm and the right leg is far
>worse than the left.
>
>I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to live.

You bring it on yourself in so many ways (if any of this is even
true).

On 2015-02-19 14:54, wrote:

>> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
>> a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come.
>
> "Hardly. I don't make enough to live on" Uh-huh...
>
> I guess in bove-world there is no back door to use for a few hours,
> then get a cheaper locksmith to sort the problem during normal
> business hours. Or let a neighbour, husband or whoever fix it for
> you for free.


Of course the door knob would spontaneously break off at 5 am and
require the services of a locksmith. Any jackass can figure a way to
secure a door closed for a few hours, go to a hardware store and buy a
new door knob and lock set. It is a 5 minute job to replace it.
>
>
>
>
>> I was still fully dressed but had a bathrobe on over my clothes to
>> try to increase the warmth to my leg muscles. I could neither sit
>> nor stand well so I was partway on and partway off of the
>> unreclined recliner, thrashing this way and that trying to seek
>> relief. Thankfully he was a fast worker so I was able to get to
>> bed around 8::00.
>
> WTF? Why didn't you sleep and *then* get the lock fixed?


What? And not be able to use the back door at 5 am?



>> I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to
>> live.
>
> You bring it on yourself in so many ways (if any of this is even
> true).
>

She brings on herself?? I would not wish that pain on anyone, but if it
was anyone else I would be more likely to believe it.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:24:23 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-02-19 14:54, wrote:
>
>>> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
>>> a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come.
>>
>> "Hardly. I don't make enough to live on" Uh-huh...
>>
>> I guess in bove-world there is no back door to use for a few hours,
>> then get a cheaper locksmith to sort the problem during normal
>> business hours. Or let a neighbour, husband or whoever fix it for
>> you for free.
>
>
>Of course the door knob would spontaneously break off at 5 am and
>require the services of a locksmith. Any jackass can figure a way to
>secure a door closed for a few hours, go to a hardware store and buy a
>new door knob and lock set. It is a 5 minute job to replace it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I was still fully dressed but had a bathrobe on over my clothes to
>>> try to increase the warmth to my leg muscles. I could neither sit
>>> nor stand well so I was partway on and partway off of the
>>> unreclined recliner, thrashing this way and that trying to seek
>>> relief. Thankfully he was a fast worker so I was able to get to
>>> bed around 8::00.
>>
>> WTF? Why didn't you sleep and *then* get the lock fixed?
>
>
>What? And not be able to use the back door at 5 am?
>
>
>
>>> I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to
>>> live.
>>
>> You bring it on yourself in so many ways (if any of this is even
>> true).
>>
>
>She brings on herself?? I would not wish that pain on anyone, but if it
>was anyone else I would be more likely to believe it.

By that I meant her lifestyle, diet and general attitude.
Assuming any of what she has posted here is true, of course...

I have a bad back myself, and for the most part I push through the
pain and am physically active on a daily basis. I do usually smoke
some weed a few hours after going to sleep - my back won't allow me
the sleep uninterrupted much more than the first 2-3 hours, and the
weed makes a big difference with getting back to sleep for a few more
hours.

I might have 4 or so 'episodes' per year where I can barely walk and
will take pharmaceutical painkillers (if I have any available).

Most guys half my age could never keep up with me (and they don't,
IME). If I had bove's attitude, I would be obese, unfit and
compounding my back pain problems.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-02-19 14:54, wrote:
>
>>> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
>>> a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come.
>>
>> "Hardly. I don't make enough to live on" Uh-huh...
>>
>> I guess in bove-world there is no back door to use for a few hours,
>> then get a cheaper locksmith to sort the problem during normal
>> business hours. Or let a neighbour, husband or whoever fix it for
>> you for free.
>
>
> Of course the door knob would spontaneously break off at 5 am and require
> the services of a locksmith. Any jackass can figure a way to secure a
> door closed for a few hours, go to a hardware store and buy a new door
> knob and lock set. It is a 5 minute job to replace it.

The door was secured. The door wouldn't open! And neither would the storm
door which I had locked. I don't know how to remove a broken door knob much
less put a new one on and I was in far too much pain to attempt to tackle
that. Plus I wanted a new deadbolt and 4 keys. Whatever. The job is done
now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I was still fully dressed but had a bathrobe on over my clothes to
>>> try to increase the warmth to my leg muscles. I could neither sit
>>> nor stand well so I was partway on and partway off of the
>>> unreclined recliner, thrashing this way and that trying to seek
>>> relief. Thankfully he was a fast worker so I was able to get to
>>> bed around 8::00.
>>
>> WTF? Why didn't you sleep and *then* get the lock fixed?

I was not comfortable with the situation.
>
>
> What? And not be able to use the back door at 5 am?

Right. Too hard for me to get up and down from the deck.
>
>
>
>>> I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to
>>> live.
>>
>> You bring it on yourself in so many ways (if any of this is even
>> true).
>>
>
> She brings on herself?? I would not wish that pain on anyone, but if it
> was anyone else I would be more likely to believe it.

Nobody brings medical problems on themselves. Perhaps with a few
exceptions. Like people who do not do what they are supposed to.

On 2/19/2015 6:24 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2015-02-19 14:54, wrote:
>>
>>>> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
>>>> a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come.
>>>
>>> "Hardly. I don't make enough to live on" Uh-huh...
>>>
>>> I guess in bove-world there is no back door to use for a few hours,
>>> then get a cheaper locksmith to sort the problem during normal
>>> business hours. Or let a neighbour, husband or whoever fix it for
>>> you for free.
>>
>>
>> Of course the door knob would spontaneously break off at 5 am and
>> require the services of a locksmith. Any jackass can figure a way to
>> secure a door closed for a few hours, go to a hardware store and buy a
>> new door knob and lock set. It is a 5 minute job to replace it.
>
> The door was secured. The door wouldn't open! And neither would the
> storm door which I had locked. I don't know how to remove a broken door
> knob much less put a new one on and I was in far too much pain to
> attempt to tackle that. Plus I wanted a new deadbolt and 4 keys.
> Whatever. The job is done now.

So, you secured the door but still had to call an expensive after hours
24/7 locksmith? Because that's the only entrance/exit. You couldn't
wait a few hours? R i i i g h t. Funny stuff, girlfriend.

Jill

Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
>>>>> a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come.
>>>>
>>>> I guess in bove-world there is no back door to use for a few hours,
>>>> then get a cheaper locksmith to sort the problem during normal
>>>> business hours. Or let a neighbour, husband or whoever fix it for
>>>> you for free.
>>>
>>> Of course the door knob would spontaneously break off at 5 am and
>>> require the services of a locksmith. Any jackass can figure a way to
>>> secure a door closed for a few hours, go to a hardware store and buy a
>>> new door knob and lock set. It is a 5 minute job to replace it.

Any monkey can replace a lockset... a lockset includes knobs. Remove
the old lockset, bring it to the hardware store and they'll match up
those that will fit for you to choose from. There are only four
phillips screws for a lockset, two at the latch and two for the lock
itself. In most neighborhods one doesn't really need a door lock,
locks are only to keep honest people out... thieves don't enter
through the front door, much easier to go round back where it's dark
and bust in through a window.

On 2/19/2015 9:00 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Dave Smith" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
>>>>>> a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess in bove-world there is no back door to use for a few hours,
>>>>> then get a cheaper locksmith to sort the problem during normal
>>>>> business hours. Or let a neighbour, husband or whoever fix it for
>>>>> you for free.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the door knob would spontaneously break off at 5 am and
>>>> require the services of a locksmith. Any jackass can figure a way to
>>>> secure a door closed for a few hours, go to a hardware store and buy a
>>>> new door knob and lock set. It is a 5 minute job to replace it.
>
> Any monkey can replace a lockset... a lockset includes knobs. Remove
> the old lockset, bring it to the hardware store and they'll match up
> those that will fit for you to choose from. There are only four
> phillips screws for a lockset, two at the latch and two for the lock
> itself. In most neighborhods one doesn't really need a door lock,
> locks are only to keep honest people out... thieves don't enter
> through the front door, much easier to go round back where it's dark
> and bust in through a window.
>
Even *I* can install a new door knob and also deadbolt locks. BTDT.

It sure doesn't sound like there would be any reason to break into her
house.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2015 6:24 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2015-02-19 14:54, wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
>>>>> a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come.
>>>>
>>>> "Hardly. I don't make enough to live on" Uh-huh...
>>>>
>>>> I guess in bove-world there is no back door to use for a few hours,
>>>> then get a cheaper locksmith to sort the problem during normal
>>>> business hours. Or let a neighbour, husband or whoever fix it for
>>>> you for free.
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course the door knob would spontaneously break off at 5 am and
>>> require the services of a locksmith. Any jackass can figure a way to
>>> secure a door closed for a few hours, go to a hardware store and buy a
>>> new door knob and lock set. It is a 5 minute job to replace it.
>>
>> The door was secured. The door wouldn't open! And neither would the
>> storm door which I had locked. I don't know how to remove a broken door
>> knob much less put a new one on and I was in far too much pain to
>> attempt to tackle that. Plus I wanted a new deadbolt and 4 keys.
>> Whatever. The job is done now.
>
> So, you secured the door but still had to call an expensive after hours
> 24/7 locksmith? Because that's the only entrance/exit. You couldn't wait
> a few hours? R i i i g h t. Funny stuff, girlfriend.

There was nothing funny about this and that certainly wasn't the only
exit/entrance. I was sleep deprived, ****ed off and in a whole lot of pain.
So when I found someone who would come out and fix the problem almost right
away, I went with it. I wasn't about to wait here all day in the hopes that
someone might show up. As has been the case with previous repair people.

I'm not your girlfriend nor would I be. You do what you want to do and I'll
do what I want to do. K?

In article >, says...
> There was nothing funny about this and that certainly wasn't the only
> exit/entrance. I was sleep deprived, ****ed off and in a whole lot of pain.
> So when I found someone who would come out and fix the problem almost right
> away, I went with it. I wasn't about to wait here all day in the hopes that
> someone might show up.

"Wait here?" You were already housebound, remember? According to you,
that day you were in so much pain you could neither walk nor drive.

Janet UK

On 2/19/2015 7:01 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>> On 2015-02-18 10:56 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> Which ain't gonna happen with only a 2 year junior college degree.
>>> >>>
>>> >> Yep, that was rather my point.
>>> >>
>>> >> Jill
>>> >
>>> > Not to mention no math, no history, no pre-college track classes in
>>> > high
>>> > school whatsoever. It's really no wonder why a career at KMart was
>>> a > better
>>> > option than college for her. Something has to give!
>>> >
>>>
Notice she skirted nicely around the question about having been told
she'd have to attend a 2 year college for *five years* before she could
take any law courses. Painted herself right into a corner and couldn't
justify the answer. So now it's about her health issues... again.

Jill

On 2015-02-19 17:46, jmcquown wrote:

> Notice she skirted nicely around the question about having been told
> she'd have to attend a 2 year college for *five years* before she could
> take any law courses. Painted herself right into a corner and couldn't
> justify the answer. So now it's about her health issues... again.
>
>
Did you expect something that Julie said to be true? Did you expect it
to come anywhere close to something credible? If I could give her
credit for enough intelligence I might almost believe that she was
baiting people and mocking them by dropping hints that it was some sort
of spoof. The problem is that she is a pathological liar and like many
others of her ilk, she lies for sport. She lies so much that she may not
even realize that she is lying. It doesn't really matter because it gets
her the attention she craves.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
news
> On 2015-02-19 17:46, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Notice she skirted nicely around the question about having been told
>> she'd have to attend a 2 year college for *five years* before she could
>> take any law courses. Painted herself right into a corner and couldn't
>> justify the answer. So now it's about her health issues... again.
>>
>>
> Did you expect something that Julie said to be true? Did you expect it to
> come anywhere close to something credible? If I could give her credit for
> enough intelligence I might almost believe that she was baiting people and
> mocking them by dropping hints that it was some sort of spoof. The problem
> is that she is a pathological liar and like many others of her ilk, she
> lies for sport. She lies so much that she may not even realize that she is
> lying. It doesn't really matter because it gets her the attention she
> craves.

There was no lying. I was trying to get an AA certificate in legal
assisting. Do you think such a certificate would come to me without taking
any law courses? This was a new program when I went to college and they
told me that so far nobody had graduated from it but that they had to warn
me that I would not be able to take any law courses for 5 years with the way
things had so far played out.

I don't lie for sport and I just don't lie! I might get things wrong
sometimes. We all do. But I certainly do not lie.

On 02/19/2015 10:09 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> There was no lying. I was trying to get an AA certificate in legal
> assisting. Do you think such a certificate would come to me without
> taking any law courses? This was a new program when I went to college
> and they told me that so far nobody had graduated from it but that they
> had to warn me that I would not be able to take any law courses for 5
> years with the way things had so far played out.
>
> I don't lie for sport and I just don't lie! I might get things wrong
> sometimes. We all do. But I certainly do not lie.

This doesn't apply to Julie, since she lives elsewhere, but in
California, you don't have to go to law school to be a lawyer. As a
matter of fact, you don't even have to go to school. You *do*, however,
have to pass the state bar exam, which is extremely tough. Every time
it's given, 5 out of 6 people fail. However, I have known a couple of
people that eventually passed after self-study only. One was a railroad
property manager and the other was a timber worker that wanted a better
life. Neither volunteered how many tries it took, but you get unlimited
tries and only have to pass once.

On 2015-02-20 11:17, Whirled Peas wrote:

> This doesn't apply to Julie, since she lives elsewhere, but in
> California, you don't have to go to law school to be a lawyer. As a
> matter of fact, you don't even have to go to school. You *do*, however,
> have to pass the state bar exam, which is extremely tough. Every time
> it's given, 5 out of 6 people fail. However, I have known a couple of
> people that eventually passed after self-study only. One was a railroad
> property manager and the other was a timber worker that wanted a better
> life. Neither volunteered how many tries it took, but you get unlimited
> tries and only have to pass once.
>


She might have been good at law. Just about every lawyer I have dealt
with has been a liar, so her chronic conflict with reality could be an
asset. The major problem for her would be to keeping her lies straight.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-02-20 11:17, Whirled Peas wrote:
>
>> This doesn't apply to Julie, since she lives elsewhere, but in
>> California, you don't have to go to law school to be a lawyer. As a
>> matter of fact, you don't even have to go to school. You *do*, however,
>> have to pass the state bar exam, which is extremely tough. Every time
>> it's given, 5 out of 6 people fail. However, I have known a couple of
>> people that eventually passed after self-study only. One was a railroad
>> property manager and the other was a timber worker that wanted a better
>> life. Neither volunteered how many tries it took, but you get unlimited
>> tries and only have to pass once.
>>
>
>
> She might have been good at law. Just about every lawyer I have dealt with
> has been a liar, so her chronic conflict with reality could be an asset.
> The major problem for her would be to keeping her lies straight.

I don't lie, Dave. You just vaguely accused me of lying in another post.
Where was the lie?

"Whirled Peas" > wrote in message
...
> On 02/19/2015 10:09 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> There was no lying. I was trying to get an AA certificate in legal
>> assisting. Do you think such a certificate would come to me without
>> taking any law courses? This was a new program when I went to college
>> and they told me that so far nobody had graduated from it but that they
>> had to warn me that I would not be able to take any law courses for 5
>> years with the way things had so far played out.
>>
>> I don't lie for sport and I just don't lie! I might get things wrong
>> sometimes. We all do. But I certainly do not lie.
>
> This doesn't apply to Julie, since she lives elsewhere, but in California,
> you don't have to go to law school to be a lawyer. As a matter of fact,
> you don't even have to go to school. You *do*, however, have to pass the
> state bar exam, which is extremely tough. Every time it's given, 5 out of
> 6 people fail. However, I have known a couple of people that eventually
> passed after self-study only. One was a railroad property manager and the
> other was a timber worker that wanted a better life. Neither volunteered
> how many tries it took, but you get unlimited tries and only have to pass
> once.

One doesn't even need to go to college to get a degree either. Some
colleges will allow life experience or let you challenge courses. Then
there are honorary degrees.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2015 7:01 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>> On 2015-02-18 10:56 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>> Which ain't gonna happen with only a 2 year junior college degree.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> Yep, that was rather my point.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jill
>>>> >
>>>> > Not to mention no math, no history, no pre-college track classes in
>>>> > high
>>>> > school whatsoever. It's really no wonder why a career at KMart was
>>>> a > better
>>>> > option than college for her. Something has to give!
>>>> >
>>>>
> Notice she skirted nicely around the question about having been told she'd
> have to attend a 2 year college for *five years* before she could take any
> law courses. Painted herself right into a corner and couldn't justify the
> answer. So now it's about her health issues... again.

No I didn't. I did answer. Read it again.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 12:08:40 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
> > > On 2015-02-18 10:56 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
> > >
> >>>>> Which ain't gonna happen with only a 2 year junior college
> degree.
> > > > > >
> >>>> Yep, that was rather my point.
> > > > >
> >>>> Jill
> > > >
> >>> Not to mention no math, no history, no pre-college track classes
> in > high >>> school whatsoever. It's really no wonder why a career
> at KMart was a > better >>> option than college for her. Something
> has to give!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Career? It was the best she ever attained, and it didn't last
> > > very long.
> >
> > Now she has a better gig than anyone here. She sits on her ass and
> > collects "disability" welfare.
>
> Hardly. I don't make enough to live on. Not in this area anyway.
> And I really do miss working. I am a people person. You don't see
> too many people sitting at home and there isn't much I can do to go
> out and interact with people since I can't stand up for long or walk
> very far. I can't even sit for extended periods of time without
> extreme pain setting in.
>
> I have had really extreme leg pain since Sat. I can barely walk and
> each and every time I have to get up or down, I have to really think
> about it and decide if it is totally necessary because doing so
> causes me to howl with pain. Driving a car is torture because to
> lift my foot from the brake to the gas causes me to howl like a wolf
> and getting in and out of the car is sheer torture.
>
> Worse still is lying down. You would think that would bring some
> comfort, but no. Only makes the pain worse. And nothing is helping.
> Not heat, massage, Tylenol or even trying to walk it off or stretch.
> I don't know the cause of it is but I may have to go to the Dr. if it
> continues. I had planned to do the spring cleaning now when Angela
> is out of school. I did manage to do a little bit but if things
> don't get better then not much more will get done now.
>
> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
> a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come. I'm
> sure he wondered about me. I was still fully dressed but had a
> bathrobe on over my clothes to try to increase the warmth to my leg
> muscles. I could neither sit nor stand well so I was partway on and
> partway off of the unreclined recliner, thrashing this way and that
> trying to seek relief. Thankfully he was a fast worker so I was able
> to get to bed around 8::00. And while that didn't bring relief I was
> able to sleep for a few hours and when asleep I mostly don't seem to
> notice the pain. Although sometimes it is bad enough to wake me.
> Just takes a while to get to sleep because of the pain.
>
> My neck is also so stiff that I can barely move it and my right arm
> muscles are as the rheumatologist put it once, like iron. Normally
> when they are like this, Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost
> always affects both sides equally. Right now it is only the right
> arm and the right leg is far worse than the left.
>
> I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to
> live.

Julie,

You seem to have a slipped disc in the neck and probably lower back. I
have 5 ruptured ones (sounds odd but it's true). If the lower back one
is right and affecting both legs, you have a potentially *serious*
issue. It can stop the nerve telling your body to allow you to pee
that you need to pee or allow you to do so. It's actually emergency
surgery stuff. I get warned about it every trip to the spine doc.

I don't know if Fibrom causes DDD but have that checked. If it is DDD,
you will need to make life changes. The good news is the pain will
ease. The bad news is it will come back if you do not let things heal
up and continue the pattern that caused the problem.

Note i virtually 'pinged myself' with this topic because I am about to
clear the crap mail out and want to see if I can help you.

For now, lazy boy chairs can help. Flat beds do not work for me but a
sofa that prevents me from sleeping on my side but with a side blanket
under my knees and a memory foam pillow down low along my back and
supporting my neck with another under it to make a 'ramp' works. One
arm above my head helps a lot too, especially sleeping.

Ask for a spine specialist review and do not take no for an answer.
This isnt fibrom.



--

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 12:08:40 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>> > > On 2015-02-18 10:56 AM, jinx the minx wrote:
>> > >
>> >>>>> Which ain't gonna happen with only a 2 year junior college
>> degree.
>> > > > > >
>> >>>> Yep, that was rather my point.
>> > > > >
>> >>>> Jill
>> > > >
>> >>> Not to mention no math, no history, no pre-college track classes
>> in > high >>> school whatsoever. It's really no wonder why a career
>> at KMart was a > better >>> option than college for her. Something
>> has to give!
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Career? It was the best she ever attained, and it didn't last
>> > > very long.
>> >
>> > Now she has a better gig than anyone here. She sits on her ass and
>> > collects "disability" welfare.
>>
>> Hardly. I don't make enough to live on. Not in this area anyway.
>> And I really do miss working. I am a people person. You don't see
>> too many people sitting at home and there isn't much I can do to go
>> out and interact with people since I can't stand up for long or walk
>> very far. I can't even sit for extended periods of time without
>> extreme pain setting in.
>>
>> I have had really extreme leg pain since Sat. I can barely walk and
>> each and every time I have to get up or down, I have to really think
>> about it and decide if it is totally necessary because doing so
>> causes me to howl with pain. Driving a car is torture because to
>> lift my foot from the brake to the gas causes me to howl like a wolf
>> and getting in and out of the car is sheer torture.
>>
>> Worse still is lying down. You would think that would bring some
>> comfort, but no. Only makes the pain worse. And nothing is helping.
>> Not heat, massage, Tylenol or even trying to walk it off or stretch.
>> I don't know the cause of it is but I may have to go to the Dr. if it
>> continues. I had planned to do the spring cleaning now when Angela
>> is out of school. I did manage to do a little bit but if things
>> don't get better then not much more will get done now.
>>
>> Did not help that the front door knob fell off this morning at 5:00
>> a.m. I had to find a 24/7 locksmith then wait for him to come. I'm
>> sure he wondered about me. I was still fully dressed but had a
>> bathrobe on over my clothes to try to increase the warmth to my leg
>> muscles. I could neither sit nor stand well so I was partway on and
>> partway off of the unreclined recliner, thrashing this way and that
>> trying to seek relief. Thankfully he was a fast worker so I was able
>> to get to bed around 8::00. And while that didn't bring relief I was
>> able to sleep for a few hours and when asleep I mostly don't seem to
>> notice the pain. Although sometimes it is bad enough to wake me.
>> Just takes a while to get to sleep because of the pain.
>>
>> My neck is also so stiff that I can barely move it and my right arm
>> muscles are as the rheumatologist put it once, like iron. Normally
>> when they are like this, Fibromyalgia is the cause but that almost
>> always affects both sides equally. Right now it is only the right
>> arm and the right leg is far worse than the left.
>>
>> I wouldn't wish this sort of pain on anyone. It's not a fun way to
>> live.
>
> Julie,
>
> You seem to have a slipped disc in the neck and probably lower back. I
> have 5 ruptured ones (sounds odd but it's true). If the lower back one
> is right and affecting both legs, you have a potentially *serious*
> issue. It can stop the nerve telling your body to allow you to pee
> that you need to pee or allow you to do so. It's actually emergency
> surgery stuff. I get warned about it every trip to the spine doc.

But wouldn't there be back pain? My mom has disc problems as do some of my
friends and they have back pain. My back seems fine. The pain is mostly in
the right leg and it seems to move around. But it is often near the hip
area. I have also had some pain in my right arm and some pain in the left
leg but that could well be from my altered gait.

Doesn't take much of anything for me to have neck pain ever since I got
whiplash back in the 70's.
>
> I don't know if Fibrom causes DDD but have that checked. If it is DDD,
> you will need to make life changes. The good news is the pain will
> ease. The bad news is it will come back if you do not let things heal
> up and continue the pattern that caused the problem.

I have no clue what DDD is. I tried to look it up but nothing is coming up.
I think this pain could partly be to low estrogen and partly due to stress.
I can not and will not get into the stress part here except to say that my
plate is full and not with food!
>
> Note i virtually 'pinged myself' with this topic because I am about to
> clear the crap mail out and want to see if I can help you.
>
> For now, lazy boy chairs can help. Flat beds do not work for me but a
> sofa that prevents me from sleeping on my side but with a side blanket
> under my knees and a memory foam pillow down low along my back and
> supporting my neck with another under it to make a 'ramp' works. One
> arm above my head helps a lot too, especially sleeping.
>
I can not do recliners. They put pressure on my legs that aggravates my bad
veins.

> Ask for a spine specialist review and do not take no for an answer.
> This isnt fibrom.

I'm not sure that it is what you say either. Things are somewhat better at
the moment. I did do a lot of walking today. Right now my only sources of
pain are to the back of my neck and the outer part of the right thigh. It's
sort of a burning pain now. But yesterday, even my cheeks hurt. If it was
a back thing, I don't think it would affect that. I just had so very much
stress that I was clamping my jaw shut even though I was trying not to. I
only hope I will be allowed to sleep tonight...or tomorrow as it will be
since I don't usually sleep at night.

But if this isn't better by Mon. I will try the Dr. I just don't usually
have much luck with Drs. They tend to misdiagnose or only want to prescribe
pain pills. And I don't like pain pills. I will take Tylenol once in a
great while. I have taken 3 doses this year and that's more than I have
taken in the past 10 years prior. I just don't usually do pain pills but I
have been driven to it now. The other two times were for what I am pretty
sure was a virus as Angela had the same symptoms. Headache and body aches
among other things.

Bove wrote:
>cshenk wrote:
>>
>> I don't know if Fibrom causes DDD but have that checked.
>
>I have no clue what DDD is.

With DDD some back pain is inevitable, Amazon has help:
http://tinyurl.com/pucrs9j
http://www.amazon.com/s?rh=n%3A10449...n%3A1289831011

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Bove wrote:
> > cshenk wrote:
> > >
> >> I don't know if Fibrom causes DDD but have that checked.
> >
> > I have no clue what DDD is.
>
> With DDD some back pain is inevitable, Amazon has help:
> http://tinyurl.com/pucrs9j
> http://www.amazon.com/s?rh=n%3A10449...rowse-vebin%3A
> 1289831011

I'd laugh Sheldon but some of those bras are actually what you do need
with DDD if a lady has a sizable chest. Meantime, degenerative disc
disease is not funny at all ok?

I do not know if Julie has it, but it's better to play it straight and
give her real information to use to see what may be up.

--

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:24:03 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Bove wrote:
>> > cshenk wrote:
>> > >
>> >> I don't know if Fibrom causes DDD but have that checked.
>> >
>> > I have no clue what DDD is.
>>
>> With DDD some back pain is inevitable, Amazon has help:
>> http://tinyurl.com/pucrs9j
>> http://www.amazon.com/s?rh=n%3A10449...rowse-vebin%3A
>> 1289831011
>
>I'd laugh Sheldon but some of those bras are actually what you do need
>with DDD if a lady has a sizable chest. Meantime, degenerative disc
>disease is not funny at all ok?
>
>I do not know if Julie has it, but it's better to play it straight and
>give her real information to use to see what may be up.

Julie has DBD... Degenerative Brain Disease... she needs to wear an
Alcoa hat. LOL

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:24:03 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> Bove wrote:
> >> > cshenk wrote:
> >> > >
> >> >> I don't know if Fibrom causes DDD but have that checked.
> >> >
> >> > I have no clue what DDD is.
> >>
> >> With DDD some back pain is inevitable, Amazon has help:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/pucrs9j
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/s?rh=n%3A10449...rowse-vebin%3A
> >> 1289831011
> >
> > I'd laugh Sheldon but some of those bras are actually what you do
> > need with DDD if a lady has a sizable chest. Meantime,
> > degenerative disc disease is not funny at all ok?
> >
> > I do not know if Julie has it, but it's better to play it straight
> > and give her real information to use to see what may be up.
>
> Julie has DBD... Degenerative Brain Disease... she needs to wear an
> Alcoa hat. LOL

Not sure and now she says (as she often has) he help was not useful.
At least i played it straight.

It;s not chronic pain or DDD related to she'd still be imoble a week
later. The description of what she had (first message, not later
adaptions) simply do NOT clear that fast.

I gave her the benefit of the doubt though with a real answer. Guess I
wasted some 20 minutes of my life doing that.

Carol

--

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:24:03 -0600, cshenk wrote:
>
>> I do not know if Julie has it, but it's better to play it straight and
>> give her real information to use to see what may be up.
>
> I don't think Julie needs any more suggestions about diseases or
> conditions she may have.

And I'm sure now that I don't have that. Was pretty sure that I didn't.
But all symptoms are gone now and... I feel good! Na na na na na na na...
I knew that I would now... James Brown! I actually just added that ringtone
to my phone. I thought it would be funny. I'm not using it at the moment
though. I'm going with Uptown Funk by Bruno Mars now.

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 21:59:25 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I'm going with Uptown Funk by Bruno Mars now.

I wouldn't even know who he is if it wasn't for Sesame St - I like his
music.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:30:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:


>I have no clue what DDD is.

Degenerative disc disease.

You're welcome.

Doris

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:30:01 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I have no clue what DDD is.
>
> Degenerative disc disease.
>
> You're welcome.

I have since found that out and I don't think that is what I have at all.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Hi Julie, bunch of trimming down here so it's easier to deal with.


> > Julie,
> >
> > You seem to have a slipped disc in the neck and probably lower
> > back. I have 5 ruptured ones (sounds odd but it's true). If the
> > lower back one is right and affecting both legs, you have a
> > potentially serious issue. It can stop the nerve telling your body
> > to allow you to pee that you need to pee or allow you to do so.
> > It's actually emergency surgery stuff. I get warned about it every
> > trip to the spine doc.
>
> But wouldn't there be back pain? My mom has disc problems as do some
> of my friends and they have back pain. My back seems fine. The pain
> is mostly in the right leg and it seems to move around. But it is
> often near the hip area. I have also had some pain in my right arm
> and some pain in the left leg but that could well be from my altered
> gait.

Yes and no. The main pain for example may be a sharp spike down the
leg (I am actually glad to see it's mostly just one, more apt to be the
disc above the dangerous one from my understanding then). The
'shooting star' can be so fast, you can't describe just where in the
leg. I described it for years as 'like the bone was on fire, fast and
furious then over in a blink'. If the bottom of your foot (or both)
tingle often like asleep but not asleep, you have nerve damage to the
leg from the spine.

Earlier you had neck pain and describe whiplash from long ago now.
That can come back on your later with nerve damage to the ones that run
to your arms. One of the classic signs there mimics carpal tunnel with
write and elbow pain (may have one without the other) but tests of the
nerves to the hand negative. Thats because the type of test used only
shows that portion is normal.
>
> Doesn't take much of anything for me to have neck pain ever since I
> got whiplash back in the 70's.

Yup, and over time it can degrade.


> >
> > I don't know if Fibrom causes DDD but have that checked. If it is
> > DDD, you will need to make life changes. The good news is the pain
> > will ease. The bad news is it will come back if you do not let
> > things heal up and continue the pattern that caused the problem.
>
> I have no clue what DDD is. I tried to look it up but nothing is
> coming up.

Sorry, DDD is Degenerative Disc Disease, DDD for short. Some are
progressive and some are not (meaning some get worse, and some with
proper care stay stable).

I think this pain could partly be to low estrogen and
> partly due to stress. I can not and will not get into the stress part
> here except to say that my plate is full and not with food!

Nope. Low estrogen and stress do not cause either sympton set you
describe. Rheumatiod Arthritis (RA) and some versions of Lupus
(SLE-RA) do. Both of those are progressive and care needs to be taken
or it gets a whole lot worse.

> >
> > Note i virtually 'pinged myself' with this topic because I am about
> > to clear the crap mail out and want to see if I can help you.
> >
> > For now, lazy boy chairs can help. Flat beds do not work for me
> > but a sofa that prevents me from sleeping on my side but with a
> > side blanket under my knees and a memory foam pillow down low along
> > my back and supporting my neck with another under it to make a
> > 'ramp' works. One arm above my head helps a lot too, especially
> > sleeping.
> >
> I can not do recliners. They put pressure on my legs that aggravates
> my bad veins.

Ok, a softer sofa with a thin blanket folded under the knees to raise
them slightly helps a lot. It eases the spine. Less 'incline' used,
we are talking 3-5 inches (test for your own comfort). That is for the
lower back.

For the neck, memory foam pillow and in my case, ramped on another one
but low down so the 'lump' hits my neck just right for me. I'm probably
5degrees at the knees and 10-15 at the head here but it's one of the
things you have to test on your own to see what works for you.

> > Ask for a spine specialist review and do not take no for an answer.
> > This isnt fibrom.
>
> I'm not sure that it is what you say either. Things are somewhat
> better at the moment. I did do a lot of walking today. Right now my
> only sources of pain are to the back of my neck and the outer part of
> the right thigh. It's sort of a burning pain now. But yesterday,
> even my cheeks hurt. If it was a back thing, I don't think it would
> affect that. I just had so very much stress that I was clamping my
> jaw shut even though I was trying not to. I only hope I will be
> allowed to sleep tonight...or tomorrow as it will be since I don't
> usually sleep at night.

I still suggest you have that checked. Yes, it does affect like that.
Watch also for shoulder pain that feels like you have glass shards in
your shoulder and a broken collar bone. Also serious pain under the
shoulder blade. Thats the neck and will be on the side of the affected
arm. There can be frequent spates initially of hand feeling asleep
then numbness in later stages if not fixed.
>
> But if this isn't better by Mon. I will try the Dr. I just don't
> usually have much luck with Drs. They tend to misdiagnose or only
> want to prescribe pain pills. And I don't like pain pills. I will
> take Tylenol once in a great while. I have taken 3 doses this year
> and that's more than I have taken in the past 10 years prior. I just
> don't usually do pain pills but I have been driven to it now. The
> other two times were for what I am pretty sure was a virus as Angela
> had the same symptoms. Headache and body aches among other things.

Pain pills are something i do not take either except for the occasional
bad flares. At that time it is the lower dose sorts like Tramadol and
robaxin. I taper them off as fast as i can because I do not want to
become resistant to them. Aspirin is different. Take as needed.



--

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> Hi Julie, bunch of trimming down here so it's easier to deal with.
>
>
>> > Julie,
>> >
>> > You seem to have a slipped disc in the neck and probably lower
>> > back. I have 5 ruptured ones (sounds odd but it's true). If the
>> > lower back one is right and affecting both legs, you have a
>> > potentially serious issue. It can stop the nerve telling your body
>> > to allow you to pee that you need to pee or allow you to do so.
>> > It's actually emergency surgery stuff. I get warned about it every
>> > trip to the spine doc.
>>
>> But wouldn't there be back pain? My mom has disc problems as do some
>> of my friends and they have back pain. My back seems fine. The pain
>> is mostly in the right leg and it seems to move around. But it is
>> often near the hip area. I have also had some pain in my right arm
>> and some pain in the left leg but that could well be from my altered
>> gait.
>
> Yes and no. The main pain for example may be a sharp spike down the
> leg (I am actually glad to see it's mostly just one, more apt to be the
> disc above the dangerous one from my understanding then). The
> 'shooting star' can be so fast, you can't describe just where in the
> leg. I described it for years as 'like the bone was on fire, fast and
> furious then over in a blink'. If the bottom of your foot (or both)
> tingle often like asleep but not asleep, you have nerve damage to the
> leg from the spine.

That's not the type of pain I have at all. This is more of an unrelenting
ache.
>
> Earlier you had neck pain and describe whiplash from long ago now.
> That can come back on your later with nerve damage to the ones that run
> to your arms. One of the classic signs there mimics carpal tunnel with
> write and elbow pain (may have one without the other) but tests of the
> nerves to the hand negative. Thats because the type of test used only
> shows that portion is normal.

No elbow pain.
>>
>> Doesn't take much of anything for me to have neck pain ever since I
>> got whiplash back in the 70's.
>
> Yup, and over time it can degrade.
>
>
>> >
>> > I don't know if Fibrom causes DDD but have that checked. If it is
>> > DDD, you will need to make life changes. The good news is the pain
>> > will ease. The bad news is it will come back if you do not let
>> > things heal up and continue the pattern that caused the problem.
>>
>> I have no clue what DDD is. I tried to look it up but nothing is
>> coming up.
>
> Sorry, DDD is Degenerative Disc Disease, DDD for short. Some are
> progressive and some are not (meaning some get worse, and some with
> proper care stay stable).

I do know several people who have that. One is currently under treatment.
What they describe does not seem like what I have. Whatever I have seems to
be much better now. I am not totally pain free but I think I never will be.
I always seem to have pain somewhere.
>
> I think this pain could partly be to low estrogen and
>> partly due to stress. I can not and will not get into the stress part
>> here except to say that my plate is full and not with food!
>
> Nope. Low estrogen and stress do not cause either sympton set you
> describe. Rheumatiod Arthritis (RA) and some versions of Lupus
> (SLE-RA) do. Both of those are progressive and care needs to be taken
> or it gets a whole lot worse.

I have been tested for both and have neither.
>
>> >
>> > Note i virtually 'pinged myself' with this topic because I am about
>> > to clear the crap mail out and want to see if I can help you.
>> >
>> > For now, lazy boy chairs can help. Flat beds do not work for me
>> > but a sofa that prevents me from sleeping on my side but with a
>> > side blanket under my knees and a memory foam pillow down low along
>> > my back and supporting my neck with another under it to make a
>> > 'ramp' works. One arm above my head helps a lot too, especially
>> > sleeping.
>> >
>> I can not do recliners. They put pressure on my legs that aggravates
>> my bad veins.
>
> Ok, a softer sofa with a thin blanket folded under the knees to raise
> them slightly helps a lot. It eases the spine. Less 'incline' used,
> we are talking 3-5 inches (test for your own comfort). That is for the
> lower back.

I can't raise the knees. I have to lie on my left side because of GERD.
And I have to raise my feet above my heart because of my bad leg veins. As
you can imagine, this doesn't make for great sleeping. I do have a new
mattress. It is a pillow top and not as hard as my old one. For some
reason, my parents are/were convinced that a very hard mattress is the only
way to go. That just doesn't work well for me.

My mom keeps buying me pillows to put between the knees for the back. She
has back issues and I think but am not sure, exactly as you describe.
Normally I don't have back pain, but those pillows give me back pain. I do
have to be careful not to let my knees touch when I sleep because that
causes knee pain. I sleep with an assortment of small blankets and assorted
pillows and rearrange them as needed.
>
> For the neck, memory foam pillow and in my case, ramped on another one
> but low down so the 'lump' hits my neck just right for me. I'm probably
> 5degrees at the knees and 10-15 at the head here but it's one of the
> things you have to test on your own to see what works for you.

I have a new memory foam pillow.
>
>> > Ask for a spine specialist review and do not take no for an answer.
>> > This isnt fibrom.
>>
>> I'm not sure that it is what you say either. Things are somewhat
>> better at the moment. I did do a lot of walking today. Right now my
>> only sources of pain are to the back of my neck and the outer part of
>> the right thigh. It's sort of a burning pain now. But yesterday,
>> even my cheeks hurt. If it was a back thing, I don't think it would
>> affect that. I just had so very much stress that I was clamping my
>> jaw shut even though I was trying not to. I only hope I will be
>> allowed to sleep tonight...or tomorrow as it will be since I don't
>> usually sleep at night.
>
> I still suggest you have that checked. Yes, it does affect like that.
> Watch also for shoulder pain that feels like you have glass shards in
> your shoulder and a broken collar bone. Also serious pain under the
> shoulder blade. Thats the neck and will be on the side of the affected
> arm. There can be frequent spates initially of hand feeling asleep
> then numbness in later stages if not fixed.

I have never had anything like that. I did look up the DDD and it doesn't
sound at all like the the type of pain I am having and the pain is almost
gone now.
>>
>> But if this isn't better by Mon. I will try the Dr. I just don't
>> usually have much luck with Drs. They tend to misdiagnose or only
>> want to prescribe pain pills. And I don't like pain pills. I will
>> take Tylenol once in a great while. I have taken 3 doses this year
>> and that's more than I have taken in the past 10 years prior. I just
>> don't usually do pain pills but I have been driven to it now. The
>> other two times were for what I am pretty sure was a virus as Angela
>> had the same symptoms. Headache and body aches among other things.
>
> Pain pills are something i do not take either except for the occasional
> bad flares. At that time it is the lower dose sorts like Tramadol and
> robaxin. I taper them off as fast as i can because I do not want to
> become resistant to them. Aspirin is different. Take as needed.

I can't take any NSAIDs because of the GERD. Only Tylenol.