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On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:11:17 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
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> On 2/25/2015 11:47 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
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> > Just remember than enjoyment when you hang your laundry outside to dry
> > and get all those little white spots on it.
> >
> LOL I doubt MaryL hangs her laundry out to dry. I haven't known anyone
> who does that in years. Especially not in freezing weather.
>
> Jill
>
>
I hang out sheets to dry about 6 months of the year, of course I don't in
the winter. Bras are hung on one of those 10-12 arm gizmos and it is then
hung on the clothes line.

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Well, Jill is right. I don't hang my laundry out to dry. I haven't done
that since the time when I was a teenager and my parents got our first
electric dryer. The only exception is that I have a hanging rod in my
attached garage. I have some clothing that I will put in the dryer for a
short time to remove wrinkles, and then I will hang them (on a hanger, not
the traditional clothes pin method) in the garage to finish drying.

MaryL

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> On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:11:17 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
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>> On 2/25/2015 11:47 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
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>> > Just remember than enjoyment when you hang your laundry outside to dry
>> > and get all those little white spots on it.
>> >
>> LOL I doubt MaryL hangs her laundry out to dry. I haven't known anyone
>> who does that in years. Especially not in freezing weather.
>>
>> Jill
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> I hang out sheets to dry about 6 months of the year, of course I don't in
> the winter. Bras are hung on one of those 10-12 arm gizmos and it is then
> hung on the clothes line.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> Well, Jill is right. I don't hang my laundry out to dry. I haven't done
> that since the time when I was a teenager and my parents got our first
> electric dryer. The only exception is that I have a hanging rod in my
> attached garage. I have some clothing that I will put in the dryer for a
> short time to remove wrinkles, and then I will hang them (on a hanger, not
> the traditional clothes pin method) in the garage to finish drying.
>
> MaryL

I tried twice here and gave up. We do have a really nice line back there
but it is just too shady. The stuff doesn't dry and stuff from the trees
falls on it. However, my neighbor, two doors down, hangs her stuff out all
the time. She has a bigger and more open yard than I do though.

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 02:29:20 -0600, "MaryL"
> wrote:

> Well, Jill is right. I don't hang my laundry out to dry. I haven't done
> that since the time when I was a teenager and my parents got our first
> electric dryer. The only exception is that I have a hanging rod in my
> attached garage. I have some clothing that I will put in the dryer for a
> short time to remove wrinkles, and then I will hang them (on a hanger, not
> the traditional clothes pin method) in the garage to finish drying.
>
I agree with you Mary L. Dryers were invented for people like you and
me. I love all the modern conveniences. No way am I going to be
hanging clothes on a clothesline - inside, outside, Summer, Winter or
any season in-between. And the difference in smell is pure BS. If
your wash water isn't stinky, your clothing won't be stinky.

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A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On 2015-02-26, > wrote:

> Do you even bother to recycle ?

For all the good it does, why bother?

I've seen some pretty grim documentaries. Last Call At the Oasis, a
docu on how we may run out of fresh water even before we run out of
oil. Rise of the Super Bugs, a docu on the new generation of
antibiotic resistant bacteria, that no known medicine can stop. You
catch 'em, you die. I see a lot of these, being retired and in having
nothing to watch except Netflix. NF finds these docus from
god-knows-where and it's seriously depressed watching them all. But!
.....I've never seen anything as horrifying as Plastic Paradise, the
documentary on how discarded plastics are killing us and the entire
planet.

http://www.vegetariantimes.com/blog/...stic-paradise/

IOW, don't salve yer mind with recycling. It's a joke. What you
should be doing is trying to live without plastics. I know it's
tough. Even our clothing is plastic. But, we gotta start. The
scenes of a mother Albatross feeding her chick bits of plastic, we
knowing they both will eventually die, is heartbreaking. Yet the
Midway rangers continue to pile up dead Albatross bodies like cord
wood. Birds that, when cut open, spill out a gut full of Bic lighters
and fishing line and micro-bits of plastic.

Jes watch the movie ....if you dare.

nb

On 2/27/2015 10:25 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-02-26, > wrote:
>
>> Do you even bother to recycle ?
>
> For all the good it does, why bother?
>
> I've seen some pretty grim documentaries. Last Call At the Oasis, a
> docu on how we may run out of fresh water even before we run out of
> oil. Rise of the Super Bugs, a docu on the new generation of
> antibiotic resistant bacteria, that no known medicine can stop. You
> catch 'em, you die. I see a lot of these, being retired and in having
> nothing to watch except Netflix. NF finds these docus from
> god-knows-where and it's seriously depressed watching them all. But!
> ....I've never seen anything as horrifying as Plastic Paradise, the
> documentary on how discarded plastics are killing us and the entire
> planet.
>
> http://www.vegetariantimes.com/blog/...stic-paradise/
>
> IOW, don't salve yer mind with recycling. It's a joke. What you
> should be doing is trying to live without plastics.


So we should all live without plastics because some people are slobs?
Better we should educate people to properly dispose of plastics and
either recycle or use it in a trash to energy plant because it has a
good fuel value. Styrene plastics have 18,000 BTU per pound.

Maybe we should live without the automobile because they kill people.

On 2015-02-27, > wrote:

> all our plastic is recyclable.

Go with the myth. So much easier:

"....(6.5%) were recycled ... 85.5%, were discarded in landfills."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasti...Other_plastics

nb

On 2015-02-27, > wrote:

> Admittedly there are many individuals who ignore it but to overcome
> that we are going to start using clear garbage bags the more easily to
> fine those who won't.

How many guesses do I get on what those "clear" bags are made of?

> Even here in this condo building, garbage has to be sorted.

Yes, I've played that game, too. I like this quote:

"In other words, programs that are ostensibly designed to help the
environment, but have been shown to be ineffective, are being
continued so that politicians and bureaucrats can meet targets created
by...."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04...ecycling-scam/

Like I sed, believe what you like. I'll take home no more plastic
one-use shopping bags. Next to get the axe, plastic bottles
(Gatorade) containing BPA (no recycling symbol!).

nb

On 2/27/2015 11:59 AM, notbob wrote:


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> Like I sed, believe what you like. I'll take home no more plastic
> one-use shopping bags. Next to get the axe, plastic bottles
> (Gatorade) containing BPA (no recycling symbol!).
>
> nb
>

They don't have to be one use. We use them about 4 times and they end
up as fuel to generate electricity. We do use the reusable bags too.
Paper is just as bad as as plastic for the environment.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:21:01 -0400, wrote:

>On 27 Feb 2015 15:52:52 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2015-02-27, > wrote:
>>
>>> all our plastic is recyclable.
>>
>>Go with the myth. So much easier:
>>
>>"....(6.5%) were recycled ... 85.5%, were discarded in landfills."
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasti...Other_plastics
>>
>>nb
>
>No myth here, people are always on the watch for any fiddle. It is
>only about a year ago that the last plastic type was added.
>
>Admittedly there are many individuals who ignore it but to overcome
>that we are going to start using clear garbage bags the more easily to
>fine those who won't.
>
>Even here in this condo building, garbage has to be sorted. We have
>green bins for compostable stuff and the other bins hold cardboard,
>blue bag recyclables, paper only, and we collect our refundable
>bottles etc and return them to source and with the money raised there
>we put new windows in the party room, mostly to save heat leaking out.

I think ground up plastic bottles are used to make Thinsulate.
http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/5...6EVs6E666666--

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:32:01 -0400, wrote:

>On 27 Feb 2015 15:25:11 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2015-02-26, > wrote:
>>
>>> Do you even bother to recycle ?
>>
>>For all the good it does, why bother?
>>
>>I've seen some pretty grim documentaries. Last Call At the Oasis, a
>>docu on how we may run out of fresh water even before we run out of
>>oil. Rise of the Super Bugs, a docu on the new generation of
>>antibiotic resistant bacteria, that no known medicine can stop. You
>>catch 'em, you die. I see a lot of these, being retired and in having
>>nothing to watch except Netflix. NF finds these docus from
>>god-knows-where and it's seriously depressed watching them all. But!
>>....I've never seen anything as horrifying as Plastic Paradise, the
>>documentary on how discarded plastics are killing us and the entire
>>planet.
>>
>>http://www.vegetariantimes.com/blog/...stic-paradise/
>>
>>IOW, don't salve yer mind with recycling. It's a joke. What you
>>should be doing is trying to live without plastics. I know it's
>>tough. Even our clothing is plastic. But, we gotta start. The
>>scenes of a mother Albatross feeding her chick bits of plastic, we
>>knowing they both will eventually die, is heartbreaking. Yet the
>>Midway rangers continue to pile up dead Albatross bodies like cord
>>wood. Birds that, when cut open, spill out a gut full of Bic lighters
>>and fishing line and micro-bits of plastic.
>>
>>Jes watch the movie ....if you dare.
>>
>>nb
>
>No I wouldn`t care to, however even a few years ago, I could see the
>bottom of deeper water changing. Amazing what was down there in some
>places.
>
>I honestly try to buy the less packaged articles and here, all our
>plastic is recyclable. It is costly on the property taxes, but well
>worth it. Best of all is tire recycling. I also do a lot of
>reusing, which is even better behaviour.

Door mats made from recycled tires are the best, they'll last 50
years, I have several. This company has the best I've seen:
http://www.coirmats.com/recycled-rubber-mats.html
I like the Fluffed version, my outdoor cats love them for lazing in
the sun, and after a rain they dry in no time:
http://www.coirmats.com/recycled-rub...-link-mat.html
Order from Amazon and save the shipping.

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:32:01 -0400, wrote:

>On 27 Feb 2015 15:25:11 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2015-02-26, > wrote:
>>
>>> Do you even bother to recycle ?
>>
>>For all the good it does, why bother?
>>
>>I've seen some pretty grim documentaries. Last Call At the Oasis, a
>>docu on how we may run out of fresh water even before we run out of
>>oil. Rise of the Super Bugs, a docu on the new generation of
>>antibiotic resistant bacteria, that no known medicine can stop. You
>>catch 'em, you die. I see a lot of these, being retired and in having
>>nothing to watch except Netflix. NF finds these docus from
>>god-knows-where and it's seriously depressed watching them all. But!
>>....I've never seen anything as horrifying as Plastic Paradise, the
>>documentary on how discarded plastics are killing us and the entire
>>planet.
>>
>>http://www.vegetariantimes.com/blog/...stic-paradise/
>>
>>IOW, don't salve yer mind with recycling. It's a joke. What you
>>should be doing is trying to live without plastics. I know it's
>>tough. Even our clothing is plastic. But, we gotta start. The
>>scenes of a mother Albatross feeding her chick bits of plastic, we
>>knowing they both will eventually die, is heartbreaking. Yet the
>>Midway rangers continue to pile up dead Albatross bodies like cord
>>wood. Birds that, when cut open, spill out a gut full of Bic lighters
>>and fishing line and micro-bits of plastic.
>>
>>Jes watch the movie ....if you dare.
>>
>>nb
>
>No I wouldn`t care to, however even a few years ago, I could see the
>bottom of deeper water changing. Amazing what was down there in some
>places.
>
>I honestly try to buy the less packaged articles and here, all our
>plastic is recyclable. It is costly on the property taxes, but well
>worth it. Best of all is tire recycling. I also do a lot of
>reusing, which is even better behaviour.

Door mats made from recycled tires are the best, they'll last 50
years, I have several. This company has the best I've seen:
http://www.coirmats.com/recycled-rubber-mats.html
I like the Fluffed version, my outdoor cats love them for lazing in
the sun, and after a rain they dry in no time:
http://www.coirmats.com/recycled-rub...-link-mat.html
Order from Amazon and save the shipping.

~~~~~~~~
I have been using one of those for about 30 years. It still does not show
any signs of wear. The one I have looks like the "fluffed" mat in the link
you provided.

MaryL

On 2/27/2015 10:32 AM, wrote:

> I honestly try to buy the less packaged articles and here, all our
> plastic is recyclable. It is costly on the property taxes, but well
> worth it. Best of all is tire recycling. I also do a lot of
> reusing, which is even better behaviour.

I believe in reusing, too. Just yesterday I got rid of ton of cardboard
boxes that a neighbor helped me flatten just by posting on Freecycle. I
do a lot of online shopping especially for cat food and litter and those
boxes are very sturdy. One person came and took what they wanted, and
the second came and took the rest, plus the packing material. They were
ready to be recycled, but if others can use them, all the better.

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Cheryl

On 3/1/2015 2:58 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 2/27/2015 10:32 AM, wrote:
>
>> I honestly try to buy the less packaged articles and here, all our
>> plastic is recyclable. It is costly on the property taxes, but well
>> worth it. Best of all is tire recycling. I also do a lot of
>> reusing, which is even better behaviour.
>
> I believe in reusing, too. Just yesterday I got rid of ton of cardboard
> boxes that a neighbor helped me flatten just by posting on Freecycle. I
> do a lot of online shopping especially for cat food and litter and those
> boxes are very sturdy. One person came and took what they wanted, and
> the second came and took the rest, plus the packing material. They were
> ready to be recycled, but if others can use them, all the better.
>

Best to reuse than to recycle.

Recycling is still costly, but getting better. The idea is still in
its infancy in the everyday world and it will get better. We can't just
dig holes in the ground and toss stuff into them. A couple of centuries
ago, people used to toss stuff out the kitchen window. In some old
cities, they did archeological digs behind houses built in the 1700's.
All sorts of household items were found.

The packaging industry is getting smarter too, but will take a long time
to evolve to 100% reusable or recyclable materials. Edible coffee cups
are on the way though. .

On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 15:35:57 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/1/2015 2:58 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 2/27/2015 10:32 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> I honestly try to buy the less packaged articles and here, all our
>>> plastic is recyclable. It is costly on the property taxes, but well
>>> worth it. Best of all is tire recycling. I also do a lot of
>>> reusing, which is even better behaviour.
>>
>> I believe in reusing, too. Just yesterday I got rid of ton of cardboard
>> boxes that a neighbor helped me flatten just by posting on Freecycle. I
>> do a lot of online shopping especially for cat food and litter and those
>> boxes are very sturdy. One person came and took what they wanted, and
>> the second came and took the rest, plus the packing material. They were
>> ready to be recycled, but if others can use them, all the better.
>>
>
>Best to reuse than to recycle.
>
>Recycling is still costly, but getting better. The idea is still in
>its infancy in the everyday world and it will get better. We can't just
>dig holes in the ground and toss stuff into them. A couple of centuries
>ago, people used to toss stuff out the kitchen window. In some old
>cities, they did archeological digs behind houses built in the 1700's.
>All sorts of household items were found.
>
>The packaging industry is getting smarter too, but will take a long time
>to evolve to 100% reusable or recyclable materials. Edible coffee cups
>are on the way though.

Very few people will buy edible coffee cups. Most items are
compostible, some can be recyclable, few are reusable and then still
need to be compostable. Paper products compost easily, plastics are
the problem. I've been composting for some 70 years, since I was a
child... my grand parents taught me about composting. Metals
(steel/aluminum) are the most reusable, glass doesn't harm the
environment, it's esentually sand... but plastics are the biggest
offender and not much can be done about it, most of the polution from
plastics is in their production. The best people can do is to use
less plastics. Most clothing today is plastic (synthetics), I buy
only cottons/linens.

On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 15:35:57 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Edible coffee cups are on the way though.

They exist now.
http://www.thedailymeal.com/news/eat...hocolate/22515

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A kitchen without a cook is just a room

On 3/1/2015 5:15 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 14:58:57 -0500, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/27/2015 10:32 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> I honestly try to buy the less packaged articles and here, all our
>>> plastic is recyclable. It is costly on the property taxes, but well
>>> worth it. Best of all is tire recycling. I also do a lot of
>>> reusing, which is even better behaviour.
>>
>> I believe in reusing, too. Just yesterday I got rid of ton of cardboard
>> boxes that a neighbor helped me flatten just by posting on Freecycle. I
>> do a lot of online shopping especially for cat food and litter and those
>> boxes are very sturdy. One person came and took what they wanted, and
>> the second came and took the rest, plus the packing material. They were
>> ready to be recycled, but if others can use them, all the better.
>
> Best part is they come and get it lol

Where I live, just about everything is mandatory recycling, at least
it seems that way. Cardboard, mixed paper (which is everything from
junk mail to magazines to tissue boxes). Plastic bottles, buckets,
glass, aluminum. Metal, electronics, newspaper. Leaves. It's too
expensive to send all that stuff to the landfills and we actually
save money by recycling.

And they pick up a lot of it for us, thank goodness.

nancy

On 3/1/2015 7:47 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 18:33:48 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> Where I live, just about everything is mandatory recycling, at least
>> it seems that way. Cardboard, mixed paper (which is everything from
>> junk mail to magazines to tissue boxes). Plastic bottles, buckets,
>> glass, aluminum. Metal, electronics, newspaper. Leaves. It's too
>> expensive to send all that stuff to the landfills and we actually
>> save money by recycling.

> My city actually started basic recycling in the early 80s when there
> wasn't much talk about it. Now, if you are doing it right, only real
> garbage goes in the green bag. There are compostables, cardboard,
> paperboard, paper, bottles, plastics you name it, all have to be
> separated.

We had a similar trajectory. In the 80s there were drop off
points for cans and bottles, and you could bring newspapers to
the recycle yard. Wasn't mandatory at first. I would save newspapers
to bring but the place is on the other side of my (large) town. If
I didn't have a reason to be near there, it seemed counter-productive
to burn gas to save the environment.

We've gotten to the point where we have good compliance because
they pick up most everything twice a month. What a treat compared
to how they used to pick up. Comingled recyclables, it's separated
at some plant somewhere. They can't make it much easier.

> Some people in houses still fling everything in the green bags and
> they are talking of making clear bags mandatory so they cannot do it
> anymore, they will be fined.

Some people just refuse to get with the program. No pun intended.
(laugh) Refuse, get it?

> Electronics have to be delivered to
> special collection points, paints to another etc etc.

Exactly the same here.

> Not complaining, personally I feel better about it.

I try to do my part, for what it's worth.

nancy