On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:59:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
>> On 3/23/2015 5:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>
>>>> Right? (laugh) Those big stores, I walk in and immediately
>>>> forget half the stuff I needed. Hence, the. list.
>>>
>>> Without a list, I have to go down each aisle to look at everything to
>>> see if I need it I keep my list on my phone these days, that way I am
>>> sure to have it with me.
>>
>> I think the most I could do with my phone is text myself a list.
>>
>> I don't have a smart phone. And I don't even carry a phone,
>> generally.
>
>Ok then lists it is and nothing wrong with that! I had lists for most of
>my life and the only problem with that was forgetting to bring them

After a certain age you need to make a list to bring your lists. LOL

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:59:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 3/23/2015 5:29 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>>
>>>>> Right? (laugh) Those big stores, I walk in and immediately
>>>>> forget half the stuff I needed. Hence, the. list.
>>>>
>>>> Without a list, I have to go down each aisle to look at everything to
>>>> see if I need it I keep my list on my phone these days, that way I
>>>> am
>>>> sure to have it with me.
>>>
>>> I think the most I could do with my phone is text myself a list.
>>>
>>> I don't have a smart phone. And I don't even carry a phone,
>>> generally.
>>
>>Ok then lists it is and nothing wrong with that! I had lists for most of
>>my life and the only problem with that was forgetting to bring them
>
> After a certain age you need to make a list to bring your lists. LOL

All my lists are on my phone and I never forget that.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 09:02:46 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:40:33 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 3/24/2015 8:00 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote
>>>
>>>>> OH - that Ellen app? This is what it tracks and has access to....
>>>>>
>>>>> In-app purchases
>>>>> Identity
>>>>> find accounts on the device
>>>>> Photos/Media/Files
>>>>> modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
>>>>> read the contents of your USB storage
>>>>> Camera
>>>>> take pictures and videos
>>>>> Microphone
>>>>> record audio
>>>>> Other
>>>>> full network access
>>>>> view network connections
>>>>
>>>> WOW!!! Do you use any apps or does that kind of knowledge put you off?
>>>
>>> Well, perhaps I'm just paranoid, but the sneaky stuff that apps
>>> take it on themselves to access does put me off. I doubt the
>>> apps are actually doing half the stuff the terms say they can,
>>> but why do they need it? Is all that just a byproduct of being an
>>> app or do they deliberately include code that accesses all those
>>> functions?
>>
>>I think Boron might be able to tell us?
>
>There are often two reasons why the permissions are requested - one is
>to perform the function of the app, the other is to better "flesh out"
>you behavioral data to sell it to the highest bidder.
>
>Take Groupon, for example, which is a US app/company that offers up
>discounts and coupons for local businesses. It sells your data for 20%
>more to advertisers if it is tracking you by GPS on your phone, so the
>ads can be more finely targeted. It also pulls your GPS data every 5
>minutes to do so. You can go in and turn it off in some cases, Groupon
>may be one of them, but it means turning off GPS on your phone
>altogether, not just doing so for the app, which does not give you an
>option. That GPS data suck can affect battery life in some phones,too.
>
>Again, one could consider it a quid pro quo if what the app does for
>you is really somethign you like, but it is also savvy to be aware
>just what data the app is sucking up and selling. And once again I say
>that this becomes a problem when the company changes its privacy
>policy, gets sold to another company or just does not guard its data.
>
>I have seen INDIVIDUAL print outs of data collection from mobile
>phones from users who have opted in for some app or program. I could
>plot that person's travels during the time frame by lat/long from a
>GPS conversion program. I have seen the list of every web site that
>person visited, ever bit of music listened to, every phone call made/
>received, every photo taken, every email sent, every text MSG in and
>out, every app used (includes things like ) - it goes on and on.
>
>Boron

And yet the police need a warrant to obtain much the same info?
Janet US

On 24/03/2015 12:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/24/2015 4:51 AM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:00:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> LOL, yeah a furtive look and getting away quickly makes it pretty much a
>>> theft. I had to laugh when you said your dh didn't say anything to
>>> her, same
>>> with my dh when a woman walking her dog stopped and let the dog poop
>>> in our
>>> yard, and then hurried on. He was out there but he said he was so
>>> surprised
>>> with the nerve of her that he didn't say anything.
>>
>> I would have picked the turd up and rubbed it all over her.
>> And yes, *then* wash my hands.
>>
>
> I'd never do that because she could get you for assault. I have
> delivered dog droppings back to the owner. I'm sure they had some
> cleanup to do.
Last year a dog was regularly crapping on the middle of my back lawn (I
have no fence) obviously owned by someone using the pathway behind my
property. If it happens this year, I'll put out a few squares of Ex-lax
for it!
Graham

--
Buy a man a beer and he wastes an hour.
Teach a man to brew and he wastes the rest of his life.

On 3/24/2015 4:51 AM, wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:00:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> LOL, yeah a furtive look and getting away quickly makes it pretty much a
>> theft. I had to laugh when you said your dh didn't say anything to her, same
>> with my dh when a woman walking her dog stopped and let the dog poop in our
>> yard, and then hurried on. He was out there but he said he was so surprised
>> with the nerve of her that he didn't say anything.
>
> I would have picked the turd up and rubbed it all over her.
> And yes, *then* wash my hands.
>

I'd never do that because she could get you for assault. I have
delivered dog droppings back to the owner. I'm sure they had some
cleanup to do.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:13:10 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message

>>
>> Again, sometimes there is an app out there that is so appealing that
>> its data drawbacks are outweighed by its benefits. By all means, then,
>> go for it.
>
>You have made me very wary. I doubt will be looking at new apps in the
>future. If I do, may I consult you again?

Of course.

When you go to download an app, before it starts or before it
installs, it asks for "permission" to access certain things on your
phone/tablet. The full list will be there. If you are comfortable with
it, go ahead. If not, just process right there.

Boron

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:27:27 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> On 24/03/2015 12:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 3/24/2015 4:51 AM, wrote:
> >> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:00:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> LOL, yeah a furtive look and getting away quickly makes it pretty much a
> >>> theft. I had to laugh when you said your dh didn't say anything to
> >>> her, same
> >>> with my dh when a woman walking her dog stopped and let the dog poop
> >>> in our
> >>> yard, and then hurried on. He was out there but he said he was so
> >>> surprised
> >>> with the nerve of her that he didn't say anything.
> >>
> >> I would have picked the turd up and rubbed it all over her.
> >> And yes, *then* wash my hands.
> >>
> >
> > I'd never do that because she could get you for assault. I have
> > delivered dog droppings back to the owner. I'm sure they had some
> > cleanup to do.
> Last year a dog was regularly crapping on the middle of my back lawn (I
> have no fence) obviously owned by someone using the pathway behind my
> property. If it happens this year, I'll put out a few squares of Ex-lax
> for it!
> Graham
>
> --
> Buy a man a beer and he wastes an hour.
> Teach a man to brew and he wastes the rest of his life.

Good man...a friend indeed.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 09:48:45 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 09:02:46 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>

>>I have seen INDIVIDUAL print outs of data collection from mobile
>>phones from users who have opted in for some app or program. I could
>>plot that person's travels during the time frame by lat/long from a
>>GPS conversion program. I have seen the list of every web site that
>>person visited, ever bit of music listened to, every phone call made/
>>received, every photo taken, every email sent, every text MSG in and
>>out, every app used (includes things like ) - it goes on and on.
>>
>>Boron
>
>And yet the police need a warrant to obtain much the same info?
>Janet US

It is all "opt in" info. Most folks do not read what is going to be
collected or do not understand what the access really is and just
click "yes."

This is why I do not understand why folks get all antsy about the NSA
collecting data. Granted, if one is crooked, something could be
discovered or Edward Snowden could come along and release it, but
generally, your data is safer with the Feds than with a commercial
aggregator.

Boron

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:44:26 PM UTC-7, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:13:10 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>
> >>
> >> Again, sometimes there is an app out there that is so appealing that
> >> its data drawbacks are outweighed by its benefits. By all means, then,
> >> go for it.
> >
> >You have made me very wary. I doubt will be looking at new apps in the
> >future. If I do, may I consult you again?
>
> Of course.
>
> When you go to download an app, before it starts or before it
> installs, it asks for "permission" to access certain things on your
> phone/tablet. The full list will be there. If you are comfortable with
> it, go ahead. If not, just process right there.
>
> Boron


Sometimes an app is just an app, ya know? I will continue to be my cautious self and use common sense.

I do appreciate the info you provided, however, thanks.

Nellie

On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 8:27:14 PM UTC-7, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 3/23/2015 7:16 PM, Nellie wrote:
> > On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 3:56:15 PM UTC-7, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >> I hope they found a way to put a stop to that. They probably
> >> couldn't do much unless they had her on surveillance. I'm glad
> >> you clued them in.
>
> > Yeah, me too. Once I watched a woman peeling tangerines and feeding
> > them to her kids right there in produce. She must have seen me staring
> > and put out her hand with a few slices in them and offered them to me.
> > Whoa, no sense of wrong-doing at all.
> >
>
> Geez. I saw a woman feed her toddler a cup of soup from the shelf.
> Maybe in styrofoam type of packaging. Then she put the empty back
> on the shelf with the other ones so you wouldn't notice until you
> picked it up. I actually went back and checked because I didn't
> trust my eyes. Yup, empty soup container on the shelf.
>
> She had a cart full of stuff so I don't think it was the act of
> a desperate mom or anything. She just didn't feel the need to
> pay for in-store dining.
>
> nancy

Oh no, doesn't that just beat all? Who does that sort of thing?

Nellie

On 3/24/2015 11:24 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:59:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:

>> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>>> I don't have a smart phone. And I don't even carry a phone,
>>> generally.
>>
>> Ok then lists it is and nothing wrong with that! I had lists for most of
>> my life and the only problem with that was forgetting to bring them
>
> After a certain age you need to make a list to bring your lists. LOL

All too true. Might be time to write that list on my arm
and hope I don't forget that on the kitchen table.

nancy

On 2015-03-24, Boron Elgar > wrote:

> generally, your data is safer with the Feds than with a commercial
> aggregator.

So far.

nb

On 3/24/2015 3:47 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:

Thanks for all the info you've posted in this thread.
While I'm not surprised it was interesting to see how
much of what you do someone is collecting.
> It is all "opt in" info. Most folks do not read what is going to be
> collected or do not understand what the access really is and just
> click "yes."

That stuff is so wordy it's mind numbing. I signed up for the
new American Express card they're offering to the Costco customers
they're losing next year ... you know the terms were long and dreary.
I tried to read it but I skim. All I want to see is No Fee and
cash back.

> This is why I do not understand why folks get all antsy about the NSA
> collecting data. Granted, if one is crooked, something could be
> discovered or Edward Snowden could come along and release it, but
> generally, your data is safer with the Feds than with a commercial
> aggregator.

How many times have I seen the police get info on a suspect just
by looking at their Facebook page. Hell, how many criminals get
info that way.

nancy

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:47:57 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 09:48:45 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 09:02:46 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>>
>
>>>I have seen INDIVIDUAL print outs of data collection from mobile
>>>phones from users who have opted in for some app or program. I could
>>>plot that person's travels during the time frame by lat/long from a
>>>GPS conversion program. I have seen the list of every web site that
>>>person visited, ever bit of music listened to, every phone call made/
>>>received, every photo taken, every email sent, every text MSG in and
>>>out, every app used (includes things like ) - it goes on and on.
>>>
>>>Boron
>>
>>And yet the police need a warrant to obtain much the same info?
>>Janet US
>
>It is all "opt in" info. Most folks do not read what is going to be
>collected or do not understand what the access really is and just
>click "yes."
>
>This is why I do not understand why folks get all antsy about the NSA
>collecting data. Granted, if one is crooked, something could be
>discovered or Edward Snowden could come along and release it, but
>generally, your data is safer with the Feds than with a commercial
>aggregator.
>
>Boron

I've never understood either. You've already given all your info to
Amazon, Google and everyone else. It always seems odd to me that law
enforcement needs to go to court to get that info from various sites.
Janet US

On 3/24/2015 11:02 AM, graham wrote:
> On 23/03/2015 9:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> Geez. I saw a woman feed her toddler a cup of soup from the shelf.
>> Maybe in styrofoam type of packaging. Then she put the empty back
>> on the shelf with the other ones so you wouldn't notice until you
>> picked it up. I actually went back and checked because I didn't
>> trust my eyes. Yup, empty soup container on the shelf.
>>
>> She had a cart full of stuff so I don't think it was the act of
>> a desperate mom or anything. She just didn't feel the need to
>> pay for in-store dining.

> I read an interview with a supermarket manager where he said that he had
> spotted a woman take and eat a banana and then leave the peel on a
> shelf.

I mean, really. How much is a banana?

> So he put it in a paper bag, wrote a price on it and, when she
> wasn't looking, slipped it into her cart.

I doubt she paid for that at checkout, just left it there.
But I like that he tried.

There's a produce place near me where I've seen people help
themselves to more than grapes. I saw a guy eat a peach once.*
Walking around the store, like it's free. No different than
the banana. They've taken to putting out samples, not a bad idea.

*not an Allman

> Next time, you do something similar!

I was kind of outraged and I felt like putting the soup
container in her cart. I decided against it.

The fact is I really never see that kind of thing happening.
When it does, it sticks in my mind, but the overwhelming
majority of people I see are just shopping and paying for
their stuff, not stealing.

nancy

On 24 Mar 2015 20:15:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-03-24, Boron Elgar > wrote:
>
>> generally, your data is safer with the Feds than with a commercial
>> aggregator.
>
>So far.
>
>nb

So far, the sun rises in the east each morning, too.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 16:25:32 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 3/24/2015 3:47 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>Thanks for all the info you've posted in this thread.
>While I'm not surprised it was interesting to see how
>much of what you do someone is collecting.

It can be astonishing. I got to see pave after page of web addresses
one household had visited over a 3 day period. It is amazing how much
one can figure out from such lists.


>> It is all "opt in" info. Most folks do not read what is going to be
>> collected or do not understand what the access really is and just
>> click "yes."
>
>That stuff is so wordy it's mind numbing. I signed up for the
>new American Express card they're offering to the Costco customers
>they're losing next year ... you know the terms were long and dreary.
>I tried to read it but I skim. All I want to see is No Fee and
>cash back.

Yeah, I think I'll just ditch that card and use a Visa once the Amex
is dropped.
>
>> This is why I do not understand why folks get all antsy about the NSA
>> collecting data. Granted, if one is crooked, something could be
>> discovered or Edward Snowden could come along and release it, but
>> generally, your data is safer with the Feds than with a commercial
>> aggregator.
>
>How many times have I seen the police get info on a suspect just
>by looking at their Facebook page. Hell, how many criminals get
>info that way.
>
>nancy

Facebook makes a lot of money selling data from their posters to
advertisers..

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:27:02 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:47:57 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>>This is why I do not understand why folks get all antsy about the NSA
>>collecting data. Granted, if one is crooked, something could be
>>discovered or Edward Snowden could come along and release it, but
>>generally, your data is safer with the Feds than with a commercial
>>aggregator.
>>
>>Boron
>
>I've never understood either. You've already given all your info to
>Amazon, Google and everyone else. It always seems odd to me that law
>enforcement needs to go to court to get that info from various sites.
>Janet US

Yup. Still, I'd prefer business requiring such legal orders to release
data that I would letting up on the requirements of gvt to get it.

On 24/03/2015 1:44 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:13:10 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>
>>>
>>> Again, sometimes there is an app out there that is so appealing that
>>> its data drawbacks are outweighed by its benefits. By all means, then,
>>> go for it.
>>
>> You have made me very wary. I doubt will be looking at new apps in the
>> future. If I do, may I consult you again?
>
> Of course.
>
> When you go to download an app, before it starts or before it
> installs, it asks for "permission" to access certain things on your
> phone/tablet. The full list will be there. If you are comfortable with
> it, go ahead. If not, just process right there.
>
> Boron
>
I don't yet have a smart phone so if one gives those permissions by
mistake, is it possible to rescind them without, say, dumping and
re-downloading?
Graham

--
Buy a man a beer and he wastes an hour.
Teach a man to brew and he wastes the rest of his life.

On 24/03/2015 2:37 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 3/24/2015 11:02 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 23/03/2015 9:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> Geez. I saw a woman feed her toddler a cup of soup from the shelf.
>>> Maybe in styrofoam type of packaging. Then she put the empty back
>>> on the shelf with the other ones so you wouldn't notice until you
>>> picked it up. I actually went back and checked because I didn't
>>> trust my eyes. Yup, empty soup container on the shelf.
>>>
>>> She had a cart full of stuff so I don't think it was the act of
>>> a desperate mom or anything. She just didn't feel the need to
>>> pay for in-store dining.
>
>> I read an interview with a supermarket manager where he said that he had
>> spotted a woman take and eat a banana and then leave the peel on a
>> shelf.
>
> I mean, really. How much is a banana?
>
> > So he put it in a paper bag, wrote a price on it and, when she
>> wasn't looking, slipped it into her cart.
>
> I doubt she paid for that at checkout, just left it there.
> But I like that he tried.
>
> There's a produce place near me where I've seen people help
> themselves to more than grapes. I saw a guy eat a peach once.*
> Walking around the store, like it's free. No different than
> the banana. They've taken to putting out samples, not a bad idea.
>
> *not an Allman
>
>> Next time, you do something similar!
>
> I was kind of outraged and I felt like putting the soup
> container in her cart. I decided against it.
>
> The fact is I really never see that kind of thing happening.
> When it does, it sticks in my mind, but the overwhelming
> majority of people I see are just shopping and paying for
> their stuff, not stealing.
>
> nancy
Many years ago I was shopping with my young sons when I saw a guy
"grazing". I went up to him and said: "You are creating an awfully bad
impression!" That stopped him in his tracks:-)
Graham

--
Buy a man a beer and he wastes an hour.
Teach a man to brew and he wastes the rest of his life.

On 2015-03-24, Boron Elgar > wrote:

> So far, the sun rises in the east each morning, too.

What a certain astronimical event --which I currently do not have and
never will have control over-- has to do with my computer or my
cell-phone --which I do have control over!-- is beyond me. Must be
some of that mz moo logic.

nb

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:32:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/24/2015 4:51 AM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:00:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> LOL, yeah a furtive look and getting away quickly makes it pretty much a
>>> theft. I had to laugh when you said your dh didn't say anything to her, same
>>> with my dh when a woman walking her dog stopped and let the dog poop in our
>>> yard, and then hurried on. He was out there but he said he was so surprised
>>> with the nerve of her that he didn't say anything.
>>
>> I would have picked the turd up and rubbed it all over her.
>> And yes, *then* wash my hands.
>>
>
>I'd never do that because she could get you for assault.

That's true, but I'd do it anyway.
Unless I already knew their address - that would open up many other
options

>I have
>delivered dog droppings back to the owner. I'm sure they had some
>cleanup to do.

Well done.

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 1:22:46 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/24/2015 4:51 AM, wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:00:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> LOL, yeah a furtive look and getting away quickly makes it pretty much a
> >> theft. I had to laugh when you said your dh didn't say anything to her, same
> >> with my dh when a woman walking her dog stopped and let the dog poop in our
> >> yard, and then hurried on. He was out there but he said he was so surprised
> >> with the nerve of her that he didn't say anything.
> >
> > I would have picked the turd up and rubbed it all over her.
> > And yes, *then* wash my hands.
> >
>
> I'd never do that because she could get you for assault. I have
> delivered dog droppings back to the owner. I'm sure they had some
> cleanup to do.

You could have picked up the dogshit with a gloved hand, and instead
of just depositing it in their yard, rubbed it all over the front door
handle.

An excerpt from a post from several years ago:

__________________________________

If someone is taking their dog out to shit by the sidewalk and
not cleaning up after it, then taking the dog back inside where
it willspend all day until her or her boyfriend get home from work
you can take a 00 size gelatin capsule filled with Pure Cap (made
by Garden Row Foods http://www.firegirl.com/hs1154.html ) and take
a small piece of steak to which you have made an incision just
right to completely enclose the capsule and insert the capsule.
Since dogs scarf small pieces of meat whole, it will be some time
before the capsule dissolves, but when it does extreme peristalsis
will occur, and when the stuff reaches the large intestine, which
has pain sensitive nerves, the dog--no matter how much of a "good
dog" he or she is--will not be able to control its bowels. Add to
that the fact that the dog's asshole will also be burning like hell
right after it shits, and you know what that'll lead to, right?
You guessed it, butthole surfing across the carpets.
Yeah, all those times I had to walk past that stinking dogshit on my
way to catch the bus to school...It's fun to make the punishment fit
the crime.
________________________________

Now that this much time has gone by, I can reveal that I personally
knew the woman. She was in one of my sociology classes at UM St.
Louis. My god, hard to believe that was ~20 years ago.

If people regularly shit their dogs in your yard, you now know how to
exact punishment, though it will only really kick ass if the person
leaves the dog inside, unattended for several hours after the dog eats
the meat.

If you don't want to spend the money on Pure Cap, I'd imagine that
finely minced habanero pepper packed into the gel cap would do the job.

--Bryan

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:13:10 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>
>>>
>>> Again, sometimes there is an app out there that is so appealing that
>>> its data drawbacks are outweighed by its benefits. By all means, then,
>>> go for it.
>>
>>You have made me very wary. I doubt will be looking at new apps in the
>>future. If I do, may I consult you again?
>
> Of course.
>
> When you go to download an app, before it starts or before it
> installs, it asks for "permission" to access certain things on your
> phone/tablet. The full list will be there. If you are comfortable with
> it, go ahead. If not, just process right there.

Thank you! Passed on to the chief


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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 24/03/2015 12:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/24/2015 4:51 AM, wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:00:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL, yeah a furtive look and getting away quickly makes it pretty much
>>>> a
>>>> theft. I had to laugh when you said your dh didn't say anything to
>>>> her, same
>>>> with my dh when a woman walking her dog stopped and let the dog poop
>>>> in our
>>>> yard, and then hurried on. He was out there but he said he was so
>>>> surprised
>>>> with the nerve of her that he didn't say anything.
>>>
>>> I would have picked the turd up and rubbed it all over her.
>>> And yes, *then* wash my hands.
>>>
>>
>> I'd never do that because she could get you for assault. I have
>> delivered dog droppings back to the owner. I'm sure they had some
>> cleanup to do.
> Last year a dog was regularly crapping on the middle of my back lawn (I
> have no fence) obviously owned by someone using the pathway behind my
> property. If it happens this year, I'll put out a few squares of Ex-lax
> for it!

Aww it isn't the dog's fault.

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/24/2015 11:24 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:59:40 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>>> I don't have a smart phone. And I don't even carry a phone,
>>>> generally.
>>>
>>> Ok then lists it is and nothing wrong with that! I had lists for most
>>> of
>>> my life and the only problem with that was forgetting to bring them
>>
>> After a certain age you need to make a list to bring your lists. LOL
>
> All too true. Might be time to write that list on my arm
> and hope I don't forget that on the kitchen table.

Could you clip it to your purse or wallet?

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On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 10:50:32 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 24/03/2015 1:44 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:13:10 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
> >
> >>>
> >>> Again, sometimes there is an app out there that is so appealing that
> >>> its data drawbacks are outweighed by its benefits. By all means, then,
> >>> go for it.
> >>
> >> You have made me very wary. I doubt will be looking at new apps in the
> >> future. If I do, may I consult you again?
> >
> > Of course.
> >
> > When you go to download an app, before it starts or before it
> > installs, it asks for "permission" to access certain things on your
> > phone/tablet. The full list will be there. If you are comfortable with
> > it, go ahead. If not, just process right there.
> >
> > Boron
> >
> I don't yet have a smart phone so if one gives those permissions by
> mistake, is it possible to rescind them without, say, dumping and
> re-downloading?
> Graham
>
> --
> Buy a man a beer and he wastes an hour.
> Teach a man to brew and he wastes the rest of his life.

I think for most or all apps you accept the permissions or you don't get to download the program. Quid pro quo.

On 2015-03-24 4:25 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

> How many times have I seen the police get info on a suspect just
> by looking at their Facebook page. Hell, how many criminals get
> info that way.
>

There are a number of organizations these days who, as part of the
hiring process, want access to your FaceBook account.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:14:44 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 1:22:46 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/24/2015 4:51 AM, wrote:
>> > On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:00:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> LOL, yeah a furtive look and getting away quickly makes it pretty much a
>> >> theft. I had to laugh when you said your dh didn't say anything to her, same
>> >> with my dh when a woman walking her dog stopped and let the dog poop in our
>> >> yard, and then hurried on. He was out there but he said he was so surprised
>> >> with the nerve of her that he didn't say anything.
>> >
>> > I would have picked the turd up and rubbed it all over her.
>> > And yes, *then* wash my hands.
>> >
>>
>> I'd never do that because she could get you for assault. I have
>> delivered dog droppings back to the owner. I'm sure they had some
>> cleanup to do.
>
>You could have picked up the dogshit with a gloved hand, and instead
>of just depositing it in their yard, rubbed it all over the front door
>handle.
>
>An excerpt from a post from several years ago:
>
>__________________________________
>
>If someone is taking their dog out to shit by the sidewalk and
>not cleaning up after it, then taking the dog back inside where
>it willspend all day until her or her boyfriend get home from work
>you can take a 00 size gelatin capsule filled with Pure Cap (made
>by Garden Row Foods http://www.firegirl.com/hs1154.html ) and take
>a small piece of steak to which you have made an incision just
>right to completely enclose the capsule and insert the capsule.
>Since dogs scarf small pieces of meat whole, it will be some time
>before the capsule dissolves, but when it does extreme peristalsis
>will occur, and when the stuff reaches the large intestine, which
>has pain sensitive nerves, the dog--no matter how much of a "good
>dog" he or she is--will not be able to control its bowels. Add to
>that the fact that the dog's asshole will also be burning like hell
>right after it shits, and you know what that'll lead to, right?
>You guessed it, butthole surfing across the carpets.
>Yeah, all those times I had to walk past that stinking dogshit on my
>way to catch the bus to school...It's fun to make the punishment fit
>the crime.
>________________________________
>
>Now that this much time has gone by, I can reveal that I personally
>knew the woman. She was in one of my sociology classes at UM St.
>Louis. My god, hard to believe that was ~20 years ago.
>
>If people regularly shit their dogs in your yard, you now know how to
>exact punishment, though it will only really kick ass if the person
>leaves the dog inside, unattended for several hours after the dog eats
>the meat.
>
>If you don't want to spend the money on Pure Cap, I'd imagine that
>finely minced habanero pepper packed into the gel cap would do the job.
>
>--Bryan

You are truly evil, Bryan.

John Kuthe...

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On 24 Mar 2015 20:47:51 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>
>
>I have a Tracfone Android unit. I have yet to turn on my GPS or sign
>up w/ Gobble. Damned if the thing doesn't still do what I want,
>namely, serve as a portable phone.
>
>nb

Most folks, though, use their smartphones for much, much more than
calls and txts - shopping, music, photography, banking, payments...you
collect all that info and you have a great way of targeting people for
ads when they open a browser or downloaded app that pushes ads.

Most retailers have apps now, too, and there are some retailers out
there that are making a good percentage of their profit from data
sales rather than retail sales.

Trending is away from desktops and laptops and towards tablets and
smartphones. Way of the world.

Boron

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 11:53:41 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-03-24 4:25 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > How many times have I seen the police get info on a suspect just
> > by looking at their Facebook page. Hell, how many criminals get
> > info that way.
> >
>
> There are a number of organizations these days who, as part of the
> hiring process, want access to your FaceBook account.

They should get a load at people's Usenet posts except that most posters are probably too old to be looking for a job.

As far as Facebook goes, it's an invaluable tool for building a database for facial recognition systems. It's millions of photos of people with names attached to the faces. Law enforcement agencies are very happy with this. Facebook is also a boon for nosy people wanting to get the dirt on other people.

Generally speaking we'll lose our ability to hide ourselves and that's going to change the way we bring people to justice, good or bad, forever.

On 3/24/2015 4:43 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 16:25:32 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> That stuff is so wordy it's mind numbing. I signed up for the
>> new American Express card they're offering to the Costco customers
>> they're losing next year ... you know the terms were long and dreary.
>> I tried to read it but I skim. All I want to see is No Fee and
>> cash back.
>
> Yeah, I think I'll just ditch that card and use a Visa once the Amex
> is dropped.

Ii didn't mean to pick on Amex, all TOS are like that.

When I got divorced, Amex was the only card who'd take a chance
on me, so I've had one pretty much since. The $200 sign up bonus
doesn't hurt.

>> How many times have I seen the police get info on a suspect just
>> by looking at their Facebook page. Hell, how many criminals get
>> info that way.

> Facebook makes a lot of money selling data from their posters to
> advertisers..

Someone's paying for that 'free' service.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/24/2015 11:02 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 23/03/2015 9:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> Geez. I saw a woman feed her toddler a cup of soup from the shelf.
>>> Maybe in styrofoam type of packaging. Then she put the empty back
>>> on the shelf with the other ones so you wouldn't notice until you
>>> picked it up. I actually went back and checked because I didn't
>>> trust my eyes. Yup, empty soup container on the shelf.
>>>
>>> She had a cart full of stuff so I don't think it was the act of
>>> a desperate mom or anything. She just didn't feel the need to
>>> pay for in-store dining.
>
>> I read an interview with a supermarket manager where he said that he had
>> spotted a woman take and eat a banana and then leave the peel on a
>> shelf.
>
> I mean, really. How much is a banana?
>
> > So he put it in a paper bag, wrote a price on it and, when she
>> wasn't looking, slipped it into her cart.
>
> I doubt she paid for that at checkout, just left it there.
> But I like that he tried.
>
> There's a produce place near me where I've seen people help
> themselves to more than grapes. I saw a guy eat a peach once.*
> Walking around the store, like it's free. No different than
> the banana. They've taken to putting out samples, not a bad idea.
>
> *not an Allman
>
>> Next time, you do something similar!
>
> I was kind of outraged and I felt like putting the soup
> container in her cart. I decided against it.
>
> The fact is I really never see that kind of thing happening.
> When it does, it sticks in my mind, but the overwhelming
> majority of people I see are just shopping and paying for
> their stuff, not stealing.

When things are stolen it puts up the prices for everyone else. Nothing is
free.


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On 2015-03-24 6:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> There are a number of organizations these days who, as part of
>> the hiring process, want access to your FaceBook account.
>
> They should get a load at people's Usenet posts except that most
> posters are probably too old to be looking for a job.


Not to mention that few of them are using their real names. I don't know
how you get away with yours. I know a number of people using false
names in FB, but there was a recent new article about some young lady
who was upset that FB would not let her use her real name... Isis.
>
> As far as Facebook goes, it's an invaluable tool for building a
> database for facial recognition systems. It's millions of photos of
> people with names attached to the faces. Law enforcement agencies are
> very happy with this. Facebook is also a boon for nosy people wanting
> to get the dirt on other people.
>
> Generally speaking we'll lose our ability to hide ourselves and
> that's going to change the way we bring people to justice, good or
> bad, forever.
>

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 4:59:30 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:14:44 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 1:22:46 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 3/24/2015 4:51 AM, wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:00:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> LOL, yeah a furtive look and getting away quickly makes it pretty much a
> >> >> theft. I had to laugh when you said your dh didn't say anything to her, same
> >> >> with my dh when a woman walking her dog stopped and let the dog poop in our
> >> >> yard, and then hurried on. He was out there but he said he was so surprised
> >> >> with the nerve of her that he didn't say anything.
> >> >
> >> > I would have picked the turd up and rubbed it all over her.
> >> > And yes, *then* wash my hands.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'd never do that because she could get you for assault. I have
> >> delivered dog droppings back to the owner. I'm sure they had some
> >> cleanup to do.
> >
> >You could have picked up the dogshit with a gloved hand, and instead
> >of just depositing it in their yard, rubbed it all over the front door
> >handle.
> >
> >An excerpt from a post from several years ago:
> >
> >__________________________________
> >
> >If someone is taking their dog out to shit by the sidewalk and
> >not cleaning up after it, then taking the dog back inside where
> >it willspend all day until her or her boyfriend get home from work
> >you can take a 00 size gelatin capsule filled with Pure Cap (made
> >by Garden Row Foods http://www.firegirl.com/hs1154.html ) and take
> >a small piece of steak to which you have made an incision just
> >right to completely enclose the capsule and insert the capsule.
> >Since dogs scarf small pieces of meat whole, it will be some time
> >before the capsule dissolves, but when it does extreme peristalsis
> >will occur, and when the stuff reaches the large intestine, which
> >has pain sensitive nerves, the dog--no matter how much of a "good
> >dog" he or she is--will not be able to control its bowels. Add to
> >that the fact that the dog's asshole will also be burning like hell
> >right after it shits, and you know what that'll lead to, right?
> >You guessed it, butthole surfing across the carpets.
> >Yeah, all those times I had to walk past that stinking dogshit on my
> >way to catch the bus to school...It's fun to make the punishment fit
> >the crime.
> >________________________________
> >
> >Now that this much time has gone by, I can reveal that I personally
> >knew the woman. She was in one of my sociology classes at UM St.
> >Louis. My god, hard to believe that was ~20 years ago.
> >
> >If people regularly shit their dogs in your yard, you now know how to
> >exact punishment, though it will only really kick ass if the person
> >leaves the dog inside, unattended for several hours after the dog eats
> >the meat.
> >
> >If you don't want to spend the money on Pure Cap, I'd imagine that
> >finely minced habanero pepper packed into the gel cap would do the job.
> >
> >--Bryan
>
> You are truly evil, Bryan.

Because I was willing to inflict pain upon the dog, who was completely
innocent? Surely you can't be saying that the owner didn't deserve what
she got.

Pain is part of life, and the collateral damage to the dog was, in my
calculations, worth it. I take pleasure in the suffering of my enemies.
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>
--Bryan

On 2015-03-24, Boron Elgar > wrote:

> ads when they open a browser or downloaded app that pushes ads.

Oh yes, that's what I want! A pocket gizmo that will bury me under
unlimited advertising, no matter where I happen to be or whatever I
happen to be doing. As if.....

> there that are making a good percentage of their profit from data
> sales rather than retail sales.

Fortunately --thru nobody's fault but my own-- they're not making a
dime off me.

> Trending is away from desktops and laptops.....

Yet another thing I am not: Trendy!

nb

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 1:27:27 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> On 24/03/2015 12:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 3/24/2015 4:51 AM, wrote:
> >> On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:00:24 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> LOL, yeah a furtive look and getting away quickly makes it pretty much a
> >>> theft. I had to laugh when you said your dh didn't say anything to
> >>> her, same
> >>> with my dh when a woman walking her dog stopped and let the dog poop
> >>> in our
> >>> yard, and then hurried on. He was out there but he said he was so
> >>> surprised
> >>> with the nerve of her that he didn't say anything.
> >>
> >> I would have picked the turd up and rubbed it all over her.
> >> And yes, *then* wash my hands.
> >>
> >
> > I'd never do that because she could get you for assault. I have
> > delivered dog droppings back to the owner. I'm sure they had some
> > cleanup to do.
> Last year a dog was regularly crapping on the middle of my back lawn (I
> have no fence) obviously owned by someone using the pathway behind my
> property. If it happens this year, I'll put out a few squares of Ex-lax
> for it!
>
My capsaicin method works better because of the butthole surfing on the
carpets.
>
> Graham
>
>
--Bryan

On 24 Mar 2015 23:21:55 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-03-24, Boron Elgar > wrote:
>
>> ads when they open a browser or downloaded app that pushes ads.
>
>Oh yes, that's what I want! A pocket gizmo that will bury me under
>unlimited advertising, no matter where I happen to be or whatever I
>happen to be doing. As if.....

You made me laugh - in a good way. All that was missing up there was
the "Get off my lawn!" rant.

I am no spring chicken, but I keep up with things to make sure I can
best serve my business clients. But I have always been an electronics
geek. If it lights up, takes batteries or goes "beep," I want it.
Hell, I met my husband online 26 years ago - before the axe murderers
got there.

>> there that are making a good percentage of their profit from data
>> sales rather than retail sales.
>
>Fortunately --thru nobody's fault but my own-- they're not making a
>dime off me.

HA! Don't bet. Everybody's somebody's clown.

>> Trending is away from desktops and laptops.....
>
>Yet another thing I am not: Trendy!

Trendy can be fun. These whiz-bang new gadgets, doncha know...
Actually, I am very thankful for them. I have a kid who teaches in
Taiwan and I get to see and hear him through Skype almost daily. That
sort of thing alone would encourage me to be a new adopter of whatever
new software or hardware were coming out. Bring it on!

Boron

On 3/24/2015 1:06 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-03-24 6:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> There are a number of organizations these days who, as part of
>>> the hiring process, want access to your FaceBook account.
>>
>> They should get a load at people's Usenet posts except that most
>> posters are probably too old to be looking for a job.
>
>
> Not to mention that few of them are using their real names. I don't know
> how you get away with yours. I know a number of people using false
> names in FB, but there was a recent new article about some young lady
> who was upset that FB would not let her use her real name... Isis.

I sure hope some posters are not using their real names here because
they'd pretty much have zero chances of being employable after some of
their nutty rants and continual bullying of others.

You could use a fake ID on Facebook but all the people on my small
friends list are using their real name - including me. Looks like the
FBI has my picture and name on file. Oh boy - famous at last! :-)

>>
>> As far as Facebook goes, it's an invaluable tool for building a
>> database for facial recognition systems. It's millions of photos of
>> people with names attached to the faces. Law enforcement agencies are
>> very happy with this. Facebook is also a boon for nosy people wanting
>> to get the dirt on other people.
>>
>> Generally speaking we'll lose our ability to hide ourselves and
>> that's going to change the way we bring people to justice, good or
>> bad, forever.
>>
>

On 2015-03-25, Boron Elgar > wrote:
> On 24 Mar 2015 23:21:55 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>>Oh yes, that's what I want! A pocket gizmo that will bury me under
>>unlimited advertising, no matter where I happen to be or whatever I
>>happen to be doing. As if.....

> You made me laugh - in a good way. All that was missing up there was
> the "Get off my lawn!" rant.

I don't have a lawn, but I can improvise.

>>Yet another thing I am not: Trendy!

> Trendy can be fun.

Yes. Sadly.

I finally moved up from a Trac-dumb-fone to an Ad-roid smart Tracfone,
jes to see what "smart" means. I still haven't opened any acct with
Gobble, but I did discover one cool feature. I can look up a video on
Youtube, on my cell phone, and it will cue in my TV w/ Roku and play
that vid on my TV. Tres cool! Who knew (besides everyone but me)?

nb