On 3/30/2015 4:16 AM, Nellie wrote:
> On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 8:54:56 AM UTC-7, Nancy Young wrote:

>> Anyway, Nellie strikes me as nice person. Clearly we have
>> differing definitions of nice, but she's okay in my book.

> Thanks, Nancy, I appreciate that.

I was missing a lot of posts yesterday and just saw this.

> I think you are a nice person, too (aw shucks) I like that you and your
> husband go on day trips, go out to lunch, shop together. So nice.

Thanks! Poor guy didn't know what he was in for, but he's still
here.

> Actually, I have a question for you about your mortgage something tomato.
> Is that a slicing tomato, cooking or what? I have never seem them
here in
> the SFBA, but would be willing to try from seed. Can you let me know? tia

It's a big slicer. An heirloom variety, though someone here said
there are different strains being called mortgage lifter. Radiator
Charlie's is supposed to be the original?

Anyway, I like the flavor and the fleshy rather than seedy middle.

nancy

On 3/30/2015 9:07 AM, Janet B wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 01:16:47 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Actually, I have a question for you about your mortgage something
> tomato. Is that a slicing tomato, cooking or what? I have never
> seem them here in the SFBA, but would be willing to try from seed.
> Can you let me know? tia

> It's Mortgage Lifter and should be in a good seed catalog. I grow my
> own plants, so I remember seeing the seed. Supposedly the original
> fellow who had the seeds used tomato selling as a way to pay off his
> mortgage.
> http://www.burpee.com/search/search....+lifter+tomato
> PS, Nancy. Sorry for butting in

I appreciate it. I guess there was a jam in the works, a bunch of
posts didn't show up on one of my newsgroup providers until this
morning.

nancy

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 09:51:46 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:
snip
>
>It's a big slicer. An heirloom variety, though someone here said
>there are different strains being called mortgage lifter. Radiator
>Charlie's is supposed to be the original?
>
>Anyway, I like the flavor and the fleshy rather than seedy middle.
>
>nancy
That's interesting. I thought they were individual. Most of the old
ones have stories attached to them. If I think about it, I'm going to
check on that.
Janet US

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 15:10:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:20:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 16:31:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 15:20:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Roy" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 3:49:47 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "barbie gee" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> crg.pbz...
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > On Thu, 26 Mar 2015, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> On 3/26/2015 11:55 AM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 4:09:52 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove
>>>>>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I have always thought that chicken broth made me feel better
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ill.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I am
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> still not sure what I have but am leaning towards flu. At
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> rate, I
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> felt distinctly better each time I drink some broth. I don't
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> go
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> anywhere tomorrow so... I will try to catch up on my sleep
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> drink a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ton
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> of broth. I don't think I bought enough chicken though. I
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> got
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> some at
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Walmart that is super good but they had only 4 cartons. I
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> since
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ordered more online but they only allowed me to order 4. I
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> case
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Pacific coming from Amazon. The small cartons. That kind is
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> favorite for just drinking as broth but I usually doctor it
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> bit.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have a lot of vegetable broth so I will be adding a little of
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> vegetable
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> to the chicken to stretch it out further until my Amazon
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> shipment
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> arrives.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I do think it is something in the chicken. When I was a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> vegetarian
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I was a kid and didn't know any better, I would buy chicken
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> flavored
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> bouillon. It did help in that it was a hot drink and hot
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> drinks
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> soothing but it didn't have the feel better properties that
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> chicken
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> seems to
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have. Thankfully when I couldn't eat chicken, I wasn't
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> really
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> sick
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> this so broth wasn't an issue.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Feel better??? It is all psychosomatic that chicken anything
>>>>>>>>>> >>> is
>>>>>>>>>> >>> good
>>>>>>>>>> >>> for cold or flu.
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Why are you now eating chicken? You can't eat chicken, it
>>>>>>>>>> >>> makes
>>>>>>>>>> >>> you
>>>>>>>>>> >>> puke.
>>>>>>>>>> >>> The feel of raw chicken on your hands makes you ill. WE
>>>>>>>>>> >>> remember
>>>>>>>>>> >>> what
>>>>>>>>>> >>> you wrote about chicken. Remember, no chicken, no cheese, no
>>>>>>>>>> >>> milk,
>>>>>>>>>> >>> no
>>>>>>>>>> >>> dairy of any kind...no potatoes, very little sugar. You should
>>>>>>>>>> >>> keep
>>>>>>>>>> >>> your banned list handy so you don't get mixed up and have a
>>>>>>>>>> >>> catastrophic
>>>>>>>>>> >>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>> >>> =====
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >> It was chicken enchiladas and chicken (off the bone,
>>>>>>>>>> >> rotisserie,
>>>>>>>>>> >> which
>>>>>>>>>> >> somehow turned into lunch meat with weird potato or corn starch
>>>>>>>>>> >> additives) she just asked about. It's so hard to keep up.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > yeah, way too complicated.
>>>>>>>>>> > She can eat chicken, or she can't? I thought she couldn't, so I
>>>>>>>>>> > wondered
>>>>>>>>>> > about how chicken broth could be okay.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will explain again. What I have is called IgG allergies aka
>>>>>>>>>> food
>>>>>>>>>> intolerances. They can change. Daughter has outgrown most of
>>>>>>>>>> hers
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> seem to be getting more. I gained back chicken and mint. And no,
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> expect anyone here to remember all of this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You "gained back" chicken and mint. Never in my long life have I
>>>>>>>>> heard
>>>>>>>>> of someone "gaining" back a food that one WAS hyper-sensitive to
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> and then discovered that it was okay (for a month or so at least).
>>>>>>>>> Only a hypochondriacs could come up with these "cock and bull"
>>>>>>>>> stories.
>>>>>>>>> Is there a time period where you can trade different foods
>>>>>>>>> whenever the mood hits?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just a week or so ago you couldn't eat chicken and now voila its
>>>>>>>>> okay.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe next month you could drop it and pick up fish and in a while
>>>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>>> that and pick up chocolate or milk. Julie, there is no rhyme or
>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>> to your food fads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But she said 'intolerance'! That is different to being
>>>>>>>> hypersensitive
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> it not? I have an intolerance to some meds. I am not allergic in
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> causes nasty reaction but they will make me throw up. I am not
>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>> has that but I am trying to understand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have no clue what the term hypersensitive even means. This is the
>>>>>>>first
>>>>>>>I've heard of it. I also don't know what it was that chicken did to
>>>>>>>me.
>>>>>>>It
>>>>>>>came up on the test result so I dropped it. When I dropped the mint,
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>answer was clear. It made my teeth sensitive and gave me stomach
>>>>>>>pains.
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>no longer have those problems with mint.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Potatoes and corn give me stomach pains the following day and raise my
>>>>>>>blood
>>>>>>>sugar to an unacceptable level. Sure some will say that they are
>>>>>>>carbs
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>carbs raise blood sugar but... I can still eat rice, wheat, sugar,
>>>>>>>beans
>>>>>>>and other carbs and provided that I don't eat too much at one time, no
>>>>>>>problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dairy and eggs make me violently ill. I will spare the details as
>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>cooking group.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Daughter used to have trouble with wheat and gluten. Gave her stomach
>>>>>>>pains
>>>>>>>about 2 hours after eating. Gave her brain fog and skin rashes. But
>>>>>>>these
>>>>>>>foods are not a problem for her now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nobody knows for sure why some people have food intolerances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One reason is that our bodies were never designed to eat grass seed -
>>>>>> something humans have only been doing for 10000 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is the
>>>>>>>school of thought that we are lacking some enzyme or even probiotic in
>>>>>>>our
>>>>>>>body to allow us to digest these things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Daughter had her appendix removed. We now know that the appendix is a
>>>>>>>natural source of probiotics. And if you are missing yours, you need
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>take them daily. Her current Dr. was even more specific and told her
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>her amount of a very specific kind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>She has gained back wheat, gluten and some other things after taking
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>probiotic and gained more things after upping her dose of probiotic.
>>>>>>>So
>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>this why? We don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "gained back". I don't think so. It's more that she is now *more
>>>>>> tolerant* of gluten and/or wheat because of the probiotics. Probiotics
>>>>>> work in much the same way as Sourdough bread is better for sensitive
>>>>>> people because of the sourdough culture. She's mad to consume gluten,
>>>>>> even if she thinks she feels better now.
>>>>>
>>>>>She is not a celiac. Not the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> Who mentioned celiac's?
>>>
>>>Don't remember but somebody here claimed that I had said that. I never
>>>did.
>>
>> That's great, but it doesnt have much to do with our discussion, does
>> it?
>
>You did not give me a valid reason why she should avoid it. She has been
>tested for arthritis and was found not to have it. I know that for some,
>wheat can cause inflammation. It does not seem to be causing her any
>problems. And I am not of the camp that everyone should avoid wheat.

Uh-huh...

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 08:54:46 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 08:41:51 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 21:10:07 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:23:14 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>
>>>>> I used to get that all the time in uk.f+dm and also here for a while, but it
>>>>> seems to have stopped. It is pretty sick and smells of desperation. The
>>>>> people who do it think it makes them look clever ... sad!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Pretty straightforward, actually; nothing sad or desperate about it. I don't even think
>>>>I was being clever, it was so danged easy to find. She called me a
>>>>liar, I remembered her post from a year ago and posted it. She was
>>>>caught dead to rights.
>>>>
>>>>What I think is sad and desperate is that she dragged it here to this thread.
>>>
>>>If you'd use all this energy for something positive, you might become
>>>a nice person.
>>
>>PKB, boy. PKB. Some of us DO have memories, you know.
>
>Pot Kettle Black, says Google, but other than that I don't understand.

I'm referring to your previous (mostly) trolling activities under
other nyms on RFC.

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 14:40:19 -0400, "None" > wrote:

>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 10:00:07 AM UTC-5, barbie gee wrote:
>>>> hey, people, LEARN TO TRIM YOUR FREAKIN' POSTS.
>>> Julie and Ophelia have got to be the two WORST offenders on not
>>> trimming
>>> their posts.
>>
>> Don't like what I write? Don't read my posts) Who would have
>> thought it was so easy, eh? but then I suppose you have to have
>> brains to work that out))
>
>So says she who does not have the brains to work out how (and why) to
>trim posts, nor the brains to work out how take her own advice about
>reading posts she doesn't like.

Pity she never takes her own advice and opinions on so many things
here. She'll criticise loudly about things other people say or do here
- yet these same standards never seem to apply to her. You're wasting
your time if you think she'll ever trim her posts.

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 14:56:11 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 15:52:16 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 3:01:06 PM UTC-5, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>> >>
>> >> She's a celebrity cook on RFC.
>> >>
>> >> --Bryan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >Don't you mean kook?
>>
>> Only if he's Scottish.
>
> what's Scottish about kook?

The pronunciation

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:14:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>
>> You were in fine form yesterday, with less of the 'Julie Bove' we know
>> and more from your real persona slipping through. Not the first time
>> either, be careful now <G>.
>>
> Yep. Perilously close to the point of no return.
>
> There comes a point for every troll where even the rats start jumping
>ship before it goes down.

There have been other times when her persona has suddenly changed on
RFC. There was a short time (maybe a couple of months ago) where none
of her posts contained any bait material (that I could see). Her posts
basically read like a normal person's posts. Paul Cook noticed the
same thing at the time too.

Wondering if she's pulling the same stunt on other groups or forums
under other identities, and occasionally mixes the personas up a
little.

On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:28:52 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:19:10 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 08:54:46 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 08:41:51 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 21:10:07 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:23:14 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I used to get that all the time in uk.f+dm and also here for a while, but it
>>>>>>> seems to have stopped. It is pretty sick and smells of desperation. The
>>>>>>> people who do it think it makes them look clever ... sad!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pretty straightforward, actually; nothing sad or desperate about it. I don't even think
>>>>>>I was being clever, it was so danged easy to find. She called me a
>>>>>>liar, I remembered her post from a year ago and posted it. She was
>>>>>>caught dead to rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What I think is sad and desperate is that she dragged it here to this thread.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you'd use all this energy for something positive, you might become
>>>>>a nice person.
>>>>
>>>>PKB, boy. PKB. Some of us DO have memories, you know.
>>>
>>>Pot Kettle Black, says Google, but other than that I don't understand.
>>
>>I'm referring to your previous (mostly) trolling activities under
>>other nyms on RFC.
>
>You always seem to think I'm trolling.

No, I don't think you do *now*... well, maybe a little at times

>Be that as it may, I never
>participate in month or year long group bullying. If someone would
>irritate me that badly, I'd just stop reading them.

I guess there's not much point debating this much further as its been
done many times before. But anyway...

I (and I'm sure others) are baffled by the 'bullying' accusation. I
know there's a few here that view it as 'bullying'. How or why I don't
know. How can you (and others) *not* see that Julie is in no way an
'innocent' and actively encourages the responses she receives? How is
she some sort of misunderstood nice person? I simply can't see how
anyone can *not* see her for what she really is?

No, the 'solution' is not to ignore her - us 'bullies' don't want to -
and neither does bove.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:14:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
says...
>>
>>> You were in fine form yesterday, with less of the 'Julie Bove' we know
>>> and more from your real persona slipping through. Not the first time
>>> either, be careful now <G>.
>>>
>> Yep. Perilously close to the point of no return.
>>
>> There comes a point for every troll where even the rats start jumping
>>ship before it goes down.
>
> There have been other times when her persona has suddenly changed on
> RFC. There was a short time (maybe a couple of months ago) where none
> of her posts contained any bait material (that I could see). Her posts
> basically read like a normal person's posts. Paul Cook noticed the
> same thing at the time too.
>
> Wondering if she's pulling the same stunt on other groups or forums
> under other identities, and occasionally mixes the personas up a
> little.

OMG! This is my real name and I have always used it on all newsgroups. Not
that I post to a lot of them. I don't post to very many forums. I do read
some. In general I don't care for moderated forums. Even though I used to
moderate one myself, that one had very loose parameters and pretty much
anything went there which sadly, caused its demise.

I have no clue what you are talking about in terms of my persona. I don't
bait people and I do try to be nice but I won't be pushed around either. I
have told people to FOAD. It does usually take a lot to get me to that
point.

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 11:00:19 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:14:24 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >
> >>In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >>> You were in fine form yesterday, with less of the 'Julie Bove' we know
> >>> and more from your real persona slipping through. Not the first time
> >>> either, be careful now <G>.
> >>>
> >> Yep. Perilously close to the point of no return.
> >>
> >> There comes a point for every troll where even the rats start jumping
> >>ship before it goes down.
> >
> > There have been other times when her persona has suddenly changed on
> > RFC. There was a short time (maybe a couple of months ago) where none
> > of her posts contained any bait material (that I could see). Her posts
> > basically read like a normal person's posts. Paul Cook noticed the
> > same thing at the time too.
> >
> > Wondering if she's pulling the same stunt on other groups or forums
> > under other identities, and occasionally mixes the personas up a
> > little.
>
> OMG! This is my real name and I have always used it on all newsgroups. Not
> that I post to a lot of them. I don't post to very many forums. I do read
> some. In general I don't care for moderated forums. Even though I used to
> moderate one myself, that one had very loose parameters and pretty much
> anything went there which sadly, caused its demise.
>
> I have no clue what you are talking about in terms of my persona. I don't
> bait people and I do try to be nice but I won't be pushed around either. I
> have told people to FOAD. It does usually take a lot to get me to that
> point.

Well Julie, you wanted to SLAP me around and I will not forget that...so
you'd better be nice for a change to make up for that outrageous behavior
on your part. I try to be reasonable too and would never contemplate violence
against yourself or your loved ones. Try and make your postings shorter
in length...might help. Also a page or too fewer details would really
improve things.
=====

On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:37:22 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 00:38:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 22:24:02 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 10:00:53 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 3/29/2015 12:35 AM, None wrote:
>>>>> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>> > ...
>>>>> >> But the really bizarre thing is, I am not the one telling the lies.
>>>>> >> Other people here are claiming that I said something and then the dog
>>>>> >> pile will come in and agree.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Especially when they quote your exact words with Usenet references.
>>>>> > Then
>>>>> > you call them "sicko" for quoting your exact words.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just as sick to search archives just to find what Julie said. People
>>>>> have gone back a couple of years to make a point. I don't understand the
>>>>> attraction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ed, she called me a liar. It took me 30 seconds to type in Julie Bove
>>>>Walnut Creek, Ca.
>>>>It makes no difference how old the post it. That does not determine how
>>>>long one has to dig for it.
>>>
>>> I think you should write a letter to your local newspaper about Walnut
>>> Creek Gate. The world needs to know about this!
>>
>>Why would the mere fact that I was staying in a Holiday Inn there have
>>anything to do with the fact that my husband drives to the wrong parts of
>>towns/cities where the restaurants aren't, or at least not the types of
>>places I like to eat at are, have to do with anything? I never once said
>>that I could not find a place to eat (or whatever she claimed) in Walnut
>>Creek! She just assumed that is what I meant.
>>
>>And why are you not in that ham thread?
>
>Because... because... because whoosh!

Because tofu doesnt count as ham?

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/29/2015 1:24 AM, Nellie wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 10:00:53 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 3/29/2015 12:35 AM, None wrote:
> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> But the really bizarre thing is, I am not the one telling the lies.
> >>>> Other people here are claiming that I said something and then the dog
> >>>> pile will come in and agree.
> >>>
> >>> Especially when they quote your exact words with Usenet references. Then
> >>> you call them "sicko" for quoting your exact words.
> >>
> >> Just as sick to search archives just to find what Julie said. People
> >> have gone back a couple of years to make a point. I don't understand the
> >> attraction.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed, she called me a liar. It took me 30 seconds to type in Julie Bove Walnut Creek, Ca. It makes no difference how old the post it. That does not determine how long one has to dig for it.
> >
> > I am surprised that you think it is sick to defense oneself.
> >
> > Nellie
> >
>
> It is not just what you did, it is a fairly large group of people.
> Nellie, the Julie bashing has been going on for months. Quite a few
> people have taken the time to go back to old posts to find ambiguity in
> what she says. Right or wrong, deserved or not does it really matter?
> Can't she just be ignored or kill filed if you don't like what she posts
> here? If Julie does not comment, others will make comments for her just
> to bring her into the conversation
>
> Did you defend yourself? I really don't know because I can't be
> bothered reading every word of the Julie threads.


Yes I was defending myself. So you just post that automatically without reading the backstory? I'm not saying that you should be reading the backstory, but if not, why even comment?

Nellie

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:07:17 AM UTC-7, Janet B wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 01:16:47 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >Actually, I have a question for you about your mortgage something tomato. Is that a slicing tomato, cooking or what? I have never seem them here in the SFBA, but would be willing to try from seed. Can you let me know? tia
> >
> >Nellie
>
> It's Mortgage Lifter and should be in a good seed catalog. I grow my
> own plants, so I remember seeing the seed. Supposedly the original
> fellow who had the seeds used tomato selling as a way to pay off his
> mortgage.
> http://www.burpee.com/search/search....+lifter+tomato
> PS, Nancy. Sorry for butting in
> Janet US


Thanks Buttinsky, I mean, Janet This looks like the kind of tomato I like. I'm wondering why they don't carry them here. I've never seen them so I'm hesitant, but I think I'll get the seeds and try anyway.

Nellie

On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:45:00 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 12:07:34 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:28:52 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:19:10 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>You always seem to think I'm trolling.
>>
>>No, I don't think you do *now*... well, maybe a little at times
>
>Isn't a little bit, in moderation, a good thing? You don't want a
>group consisting only of dead serious fuddy fuddies, do you?

Certainly not, and I wasn't implying that you shouldn't from time to
time. 'Troll' is also a term that seems to have a *very* broad range
of interpretations.

>>>Be that as it may, I never
>>>participate in month or year long group bullying. If someone would
>>>irritate me that badly, I'd just stop reading them.
>>
>>I guess there's not much point debating this much further as its been
>>done many times before. But anyway...
>>
>>I (and I'm sure others) are baffled by the 'bullying' accusation. I
>>know there's a few here that view it as 'bullying'. How or why I don't
>>know. How can you (and others) *not* see that Julie is in no way an
>>'innocent' and actively encourages the responses she receives? How is
>>she some sort of misunderstood nice person? I simply can't see how
>>anyone can *not* see her for what she really is?
>>
>>No, the 'solution' is not to ignore her - us 'bullies' don't want to -
>>and neither does bove.
>
>You seem to think she's a danger to society and the 'bullies' are
>really heroes who protect the world from her evil.

Do I now? You wouldn't say, like, that you just pulled that out of
your arse, would you?

>But you're right. I don't think we'll agree on this.

Agreed

"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/29/2015 1:24 AM, Nellie wrote:
>> > On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 10:00:53 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> On 3/29/2015 12:35 AM, None wrote:
>> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> >>> ...
>> >>>> But the really bizarre thing is, I am not the one telling the lies.
>> >>>> Other people here are claiming that I said something and then the
>> >>>> dog
>> >>>> pile will come in and agree.
>> >>>
>> >>> Especially when they quote your exact words with Usenet references.
>> >>> Then
>> >>> you call them "sicko" for quoting your exact words.
>> >>
>> >> Just as sick to search archives just to find what Julie said. People
>> >> have gone back a couple of years to make a point. I don't understand
>> >> the
>> >> attraction.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ed, she called me a liar. It took me 30 seconds to type in Julie Bove
>> > Walnut Creek, Ca. It makes no difference how old the post it. That
>> > does not determine how long one has to dig for it.
>> >
>> > I am surprised that you think it is sick to defense oneself.
>> >
>> > Nellie
>> >
>>
>> It is not just what you did, it is a fairly large group of people.
>> Nellie, the Julie bashing has been going on for months. Quite a few
>> people have taken the time to go back to old posts to find ambiguity in
>> what she says. Right or wrong, deserved or not does it really matter?
>> Can't she just be ignored or kill filed if you don't like what she posts
>> here? If Julie does not comment, others will make comments for her just
>> to bring her into the conversation
>>
>> Did you defend yourself? I really don't know because I can't be
>> bothered reading every word of the Julie threads.
>
>
> Yes I was defending myself. So you just post that automatically without
> reading the backstory? I'm not saying that you should be reading the
> backstory, but if not, why even comment?

---

Nobody can read the back-story unless they choose to look it up and I'll bet
most here won't want to bother. You posted my reply to Ed. Not the rest of
the conversation. You yourself said that I posted it a year ago. I can't
remember what all I posted a year ago. But bottom line is still that you
took something that I said and turned it into something else then claimed
that I said that instead.

This is all just totally ridiculous! Why does this newsgroup seem to be all
about me? *I* didn't make it that way and it it just seems to keep
happening. Jill put up a post about lamb and dragged me into it, ending it
all with a barb aimed at me and implying that the only stuff I ever serve
comes from cans.

Lots of people just do not seem to know how to behave!

On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:06:59 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:55:28 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:37:22 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 00:38:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 22:24:02 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 10:00:53 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/29/2015 12:35 AM, None wrote:
>>>>>>> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> > ...
>>>>>>> >> But the really bizarre thing is, I am not the one telling the lies.
>>>>>>> >> Other people here are claiming that I said something and then the dog
>>>>>>> >> pile will come in and agree.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Especially when they quote your exact words with Usenet references.
>>>>>>> > Then
>>>>>>> > you call them "sicko" for quoting your exact words.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just as sick to search archives just to find what Julie said. People
>>>>>>> have gone back a couple of years to make a point. I don't understand the
>>>>>>> attraction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ed, she called me a liar. It took me 30 seconds to type in Julie Bove
>>>>>>Walnut Creek, Ca.
>>>>>>It makes no difference how old the post it. That does not determine how
>>>>>>long one has to dig for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you should write a letter to your local newspaper about Walnut
>>>>> Creek Gate. The world needs to know about this!
>>>>
>>>>Why would the mere fact that I was staying in a Holiday Inn there have
>>>>anything to do with the fact that my husband drives to the wrong parts of
>>>>towns/cities where the restaurants aren't, or at least not the types of
>>>>places I like to eat at are, have to do with anything? I never once said
>>>>that I could not find a place to eat (or whatever she claimed) in Walnut
>>>>Creek! She just assumed that is what I meant.
>>>>
>>>>And why are you not in that ham thread?
>>>
>>>Because... because... because whoosh!
>>
>>Because tofu doesnt count as ham?
>
>That's it. I only eat ham that never had eyes.

Heh. I've never seen a pig's leg or shoulder with eyes before

"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:07:17 AM UTC-7, Janet B wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 01:16:47 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Actually, I have a question for you about your mortgage something
>> >tomato. Is that a slicing tomato, cooking or what? I have never seem
>> >them here in the SFBA, but would be willing to try from seed. Can you
>> >let me know? tia
>> >
>> >Nellie
>>
>> It's Mortgage Lifter and should be in a good seed catalog. I grow my
>> own plants, so I remember seeing the seed. Supposedly the original
>> fellow who had the seeds used tomato selling as a way to pay off his
>> mortgage.
>> http://www.burpee.com/search/search....+lifter+tomato
>> PS, Nancy. Sorry for butting in
>> Janet US
>
>
> Thanks Buttinsky, I mean, Janet This looks like the kind of tomato I
> like. I'm wondering why they don't carry them here. I've never seen them
> so I'm hesitant, but I think I'll get the seeds and try anyway.

When I lived in the Bay area, I bought them at the Safeway on Bay Farm
Island (Alameda). But that was like 12 or more years ago. AFAIK, the
Safeway by the mall did not carry them.

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:51:54 AM UTC-7, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 3/30/2015 4:16 AM, Nellie wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 8:54:56 AM UTC-7, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >> Anyway, Nellie strikes me as nice person. Clearly we have
> >> differing definitions of nice, but she's okay in my book.
>
> > Thanks, Nancy, I appreciate that.
>
> I was missing a lot of posts yesterday and just saw this.
>
> > I think you are a nice person, too (aw shucks) I like that you and your
> > husband go on day trips, go out to lunch, shop together. So nice.
>
> Thanks! Poor guy didn't know what he was in for, but he's still
> here.
>
> > Actually, I have a question for you about your mortgage something tomato.
> > Is that a slicing tomato, cooking or what? I have never seem them
> here in
> > the SFBA, but would be willing to try from seed. Can you let me know? tia
>
> It's a big slicer. An heirloom variety, though someone here said
> there are different strains being called mortgage lifter. Radiator
> Charlie's is supposed to be the original?
>
> Anyway, I like the flavor and the fleshy rather than seedy middle.
>
> nancy

Thanks, Nancy. When I say they don't carry them here, I mean the plants not the tomatoes themselves. I'm sure I could find the tomatoes somewhere.

They do look like the kind of tomatoes I like and with your feedback being so positive, I think I will give them a shot.

Nellie

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Nellie" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 3/29/2015 1:24 AM, Nellie wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 10:00:53 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >> On 3/29/2015 12:35 AM, None wrote:
> >> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>>> But the really bizarre thing is, I am not the one telling the lies.
> >> >>>> Other people here are claiming that I said something and then the
> >> >>>> dog
> >> >>>> pile will come in and agree.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Especially when they quote your exact words with Usenet references.
> >> >>> Then
> >> >>> you call them "sicko" for quoting your exact words.
> >> >>
> >> >> Just as sick to search archives just to find what Julie said. People
> >> >> have gone back a couple of years to make a point. I don't understand
> >> >> the
> >> >> attraction.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ed, she called me a liar. It took me 30 seconds to type in Julie Bove
> >> > Walnut Creek, Ca. It makes no difference how old the post it. That
> >> > does not determine how long one has to dig for it.
> >> >
> >> > I am surprised that you think it is sick to defense oneself.
> >> >
> >> > Nellie
> >> >
> >>
> >> It is not just what you did, it is a fairly large group of people.
> >> Nellie, the Julie bashing has been going on for months. Quite a few
> >> people have taken the time to go back to old posts to find ambiguity in
> >> what she says. Right or wrong, deserved or not does it really matter?
> >> Can't she just be ignored or kill filed if you don't like what she posts
> >> here? If Julie does not comment, others will make comments for her just
> >> to bring her into the conversation
> >>
> >> Did you defend yourself? I really don't know because I can't be
> >> bothered reading every word of the Julie threads.
> >
> >
> > Yes I was defending myself. So you just post that automatically without
> > reading the backstory? I'm not saying that you should be reading the
> > backstory, but if not, why even comment?
>
> ---
>
> Nobody can read the back-story unless they choose to look it up and I'll bet
> most here won't want to bother. You posted my reply to Ed. Not the rest of
> the conversation. You yourself said that I posted it a year ago. I can't
> remember what all I posted a year ago. But bottom line is still that you
> took something that I said and turned it into something else then claimed
> that I said that instead.
>
> This is all just totally ridiculous! Why does this newsgroup seem to be all
> about me? *I* didn't make it that way and it it just seems to keep
> happening. Jill put up a post about lamb and dragged me into it, ending it
> all with a barb aimed at me and implying that the only stuff I ever serve
> comes from cans.
>
> Lots of people just do not seem to know how to behave!


You don't really think I value your opinion on anything, do you?

Nellie

"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Nellie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> On 3/29/2015 1:24 AM, Nellie wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, March 28, 2015 at 10:00:53 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> On 3/29/2015 12:35 AM, None wrote:
>> >> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> >> >>> ...
>> >> >>>> But the really bizarre thing is, I am not the one telling the
>> >> >>>> lies.
>> >> >>>> Other people here are claiming that I said something and then the
>> >> >>>> dog
>> >> >>>> pile will come in and agree.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Especially when they quote your exact words with Usenet
>> >> >>> references.
>> >> >>> Then
>> >> >>> you call them "sicko" for quoting your exact words.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just as sick to search archives just to find what Julie said.
>> >> >> People
>> >> >> have gone back a couple of years to make a point. I don't
>> >> >> understand
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> attraction.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Ed, she called me a liar. It took me 30 seconds to type in Julie
>> >> > Bove
>> >> > Walnut Creek, Ca. It makes no difference how old the post it. That
>> >> > does not determine how long one has to dig for it.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am surprised that you think it is sick to defense oneself.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nellie
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> It is not just what you did, it is a fairly large group of people.
>> >> Nellie, the Julie bashing has been going on for months. Quite a few
>> >> people have taken the time to go back to old posts to find ambiguity
>> >> in
>> >> what she says. Right or wrong, deserved or not does it really matter?
>> >> Can't she just be ignored or kill filed if you don't like what she
>> >> posts
>> >> here? If Julie does not comment, others will make comments for her
>> >> just
>> >> to bring her into the conversation
>> >>
>> >> Did you defend yourself? I really don't know because I can't be
>> >> bothered reading every word of the Julie threads.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes I was defending myself. So you just post that automatically
>> > without
>> > reading the backstory? I'm not saying that you should be reading the
>> > backstory, but if not, why even comment?
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Nobody can read the back-story unless they choose to look it up and I'll
>> bet
>> most here won't want to bother. You posted my reply to Ed. Not the rest
>> of
>> the conversation. You yourself said that I posted it a year ago. I
>> can't
>> remember what all I posted a year ago. But bottom line is still that you
>> took something that I said and turned it into something else then claimed
>> that I said that instead.
>>
>> This is all just totally ridiculous! Why does this newsgroup seem to be
>> all
>> about me? *I* didn't make it that way and it it just seems to keep
>> happening. Jill put up a post about lamb and dragged me into it, ending
>> it
>> all with a barb aimed at me and implying that the only stuff I ever serve
>> comes from cans.
>>
>> Lots of people just do not seem to know how to behave!
>
>
> You don't really think I value your opinion on anything, do you?
>
> Nellie

Oh, I know *you* don't. You have made it abundantly clear that you consider
yourself superior to me in every way.

"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 6:51:54 AM UTC-7, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 3/30/2015 4:16 AM, Nellie wrote:
>> > On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 8:54:56 AM UTC-7, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> >> Anyway, Nellie strikes me as nice person. Clearly we have
>> >> differing definitions of nice, but she's okay in my book.
>>
>> > Thanks, Nancy, I appreciate that.
>>
>> I was missing a lot of posts yesterday and just saw this.
>>
>> > I think you are a nice person, too (aw shucks) I like that you and
>> > your
>> > husband go on day trips, go out to lunch, shop together. So nice.
>>
>> Thanks! Poor guy didn't know what he was in for, but he's still
>> here.
>>
>> > Actually, I have a question for you about your mortgage something
>> > tomato.
>> > Is that a slicing tomato, cooking or what? I have never seem them
>> here in
>> > the SFBA, but would be willing to try from seed. Can you let me know?
>> tia
>>
>> It's a big slicer. An heirloom variety, though someone here said
>> there are different strains being called mortgage lifter. Radiator
>> Charlie's is supposed to be the original?
>>
>> Anyway, I like the flavor and the fleshy rather than seedy middle.
>>
>> nancy
>
> Thanks, Nancy. When I say they don't carry them here, I mean the plants
> not the tomatoes themselves. I'm sure I could find the tomatoes somewhere.
>
> They do look like the kind of tomatoes I like and with your feedback being
> so positive, I think I will give them a shot.
>
> Nellie

When I said that I bought them at Safeway, I meant the tomatoes. Not that
plants. I know that you don't value my opinion and all but... When you
can't find a certain plant in your area, it's usually because that plant is
not suited to the area. I have never tried to grow that particular tomato
but in general, the ones that do best in cooler climates are those that are
smaller and grow quickly such as cherry, or Early Girl.

On 3/31/2015 4:22 AM, Nellie wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:

>> Lots of people just do not seem to know how to behave!
>
>
> You don't really think I value your opinion on anything, do you?

One behavior I was taught was that when someone tries
to help you, you thank them. In that way alone, Julie
can't talk about anyone elses lack of manners.

nancy

On 2015-03-31 8:14 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 3/31/2015 4:22 AM, Nellie wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>> Lots of people just do not seem to know how to behave!
>>
>>
>> You don't really think I value your opinion on anything, do you?
>
> One behavior I was taught was that when someone tries
> to help you, you thank them. In that way alone, Julie
> can't talk about anyone elses lack of manners.
>

Julies outstanding MO is to post something about a situation or a
problem as if looking for help or advice. She then proceeds to slam
every suggestion that well meaning people offer. Most have given up
and, realizing it is just a cry for attention, dump on her attention
seeking behaviour. Meanwhile, there are still a few naive fools who take
her seriously.

On 3/31/2015 9:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-03-31 8:14 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> One behavior I was taught was that when someone tries
>> to help you, you thank them. In that way alone, Julie
>> can't talk about anyone elses lack of manners.
>>
>
> Julies outstanding MO is to post something about a situation or a
> problem as if looking for help or advice. She then proceeds to slam
> every suggestion that well meaning people offer. Most have given up
> and, realizing it is just a cry for attention, dump on her attention
> seeking behaviour. Meanwhile, there are still a few naive fools who take
> her seriously.

I don't confuse rfc with tea at the palace, but not only do we
say thanks when someone takes the time to help us out, we don't
then chastise the poster for forgetting the list of foods we can't
eat/find/don't like. People eventually air their frustration, that's
only human.

nancy

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 8:16:10 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Julies outstanding MO is to post something about a situation or a
> problem as if looking for help or advice. She then proceeds to slam
> every suggestion that well meaning people offer. Most have given up
> and, realizing it is just a cry for attention, dump on her attention
> seeking behaviour. Meanwhile, there are still a few naive fools who take
> her seriously.
>
>
OhFeelMe immediately comes to mind when someone rushes in to defend the indefensible Julie and take her seriously. But you hit the nail on the head; she lives with a group of whiny slobs and the only attention she receives at home is criticism. She comes here to troll to seek further attention but receives more of the same she gets at home because of her behavior. They're probably as sick of her ramblings as we are.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/31/2015 9:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-03-31 8:14 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> One behavior I was taught was that when someone tries
>>> to help you, you thank them. In that way alone, Julie
>>> can't talk about anyone elses lack of manners.
>>>
>>
>> Julies outstanding MO is to post something about a situation or a
>> problem as if looking for help or advice. She then proceeds to slam
>> every suggestion that well meaning people offer. Most have given up
>> and, realizing it is just a cry for attention, dump on her attention
>> seeking behaviour. Meanwhile, there are still a few naive fools who take
>> her seriously.
>
> I don't confuse rfc with tea at the palace, but not only do we
> say thanks when someone takes the time to help us out, we don't
> then chastise the poster for forgetting the list of foods we can't
> eat/find/don't like. People eventually air their frustration, that's
> only human.

I do understand and sympathise, I just can't stomach the SPITE. My kf is
bursting at the seams because of the bullies and if it were not the fact
that there are some kind souls here, I would have been long gone. I have
seen some nasty groups but never have I known one as bad as this. Why am I
here? Because some people actually talk about food and I pick up some nice
recipes. But for them, there would be no point reading here. It seems that
some people are only here to find reasons to talk down to others and to pick
on them. If that were not true why do they read the stuff that they say
they hate?

When I defend people, it is not that I applaud what they do, it is to try
and stem the tide of cruel and vicious invective and ad hominems it invokes.
As I said, I believe that is the only reason some are here. It seems
cooking comes a poor second. Is this normal behaviour for Americans? I am
making no accusations, it is a genuine question. I know there are sick
Brits, you can see it here, but I have never seen it on this scale with so
many involved.





http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 3/31/2015 10:53 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> I don't confuse rfc with tea at the palace, but not only do we
>> say thanks when someone takes the time to help us out, we don't
>> then chastise the poster for forgetting the list of foods we can't
>> eat/find/don't like. People eventually air their frustration, that's
>> only human.
>
> I do understand and sympathise, I just can't stomach the SPITE. My kf
> is bursting at the seams because of the bullies and if it were not the
> fact that there are some kind souls here, I would have been long gone.
> I have seen some nasty groups but never have I known one as bad as
> this. Why am I here? Because some people actually talk about food and
> I pick up some nice recipes. But for them, there would be no point
> reading here. It seems that some people are only here to find reasons
> to talk down to others and to pick on them. If that were not true why
> do they read the stuff that they say they hate?

We're all guilty of that. I try to avoid vexations, too, but sometimes
I'm not successful.

And we're not talking about a child. She's capable of learning
from what people say and change her behavior, but I completely
understand why people say she likes this attention, as she makes
no effort to make peace with anyone. Instead, she steps it up.

> When I defend people, it is not that I applaud what they do, it is to
> try and stem the tide of cruel and vicious invective and ad hominems it
> invokes. As I said, I believe that is the only reason some are here. It
> seems cooking comes a poor second. Is this normal behaviour for
> Americans? I am making no accusations, it is a genuine question. I know
> there are sick Brits, you can see it here, but I have never seen it on
> this scale with so many involved.

There have been many, many Americans here over the years who don't
deserve to be painted with that brush.

nancy

On 2015-03-31 10:04 AM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 8:16:10 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Julies outstanding MO is to post something about a situation or a
>> problem as if looking for help or advice. She then proceeds to
>> slam every suggestion that well meaning people offer. Most have
>> given up and, realizing it is just a cry for attention, dump on her
>> attention seeking behaviour. Meanwhile, there are still a few naive
>> fools who take her seriously.
>>
>>
> OhFeelMe immediately comes to mind when someone rushes in to defend
> the indefensible Julie and take her seriously. >

I have seen it going on here for a long time. People reply to her but
all their good intentions and best efforts are wasted as Bovine rejects
their attempts and then uses the reply as a springboard to get even more
attention for her pathetic excuse for a life and family. I don't think
there is a single food item that all three of those sorry losers can or
will eat.

We got to hear about how her husband used to stop at restaurants on the
way home to get supper. We heard how the daughter behaved so badly in a
restaurant that Julie was tempted to abandon her there....things she
later tried to deny. First the daughter was dancer, but then she was
disabled. We heard all about her daughter' school problems. After much
probing it turned out that I was right about her being a short bus
student. I am not going to dump on the unfortunate child, but after
having seen photos of her I have to reject any claims about her being a
dancer. No teen who dances as much as Julie claims she does could be
that chunky. Lots of kids are overweight these days, but their parents
don't try to delude themselves and everyone else into thinking the kid
is a dancer.

I played hockey for a while when I was a kid but I was not a hockey
player. I played baseball, but was not a baseball player. I played
football but was not a foot ball player. There is a difference between
taking lessons on being on a juvenile team and being a professional.
Okay, the kid took lessons. She got hurt.. in Julie's world that
translates to disabled. Or maybe she really is disabled and they send
to her lessons as a form of therapy. She ain't no dancer.




But you hit the nail
> on the head; she lives with a group of whiny slobs and the only
> attention she receives at home is criticism. She comes here to troll
> to seek further attention but receives more of the same she gets at
> home because of her behavior. They're probably as sick of her
> ramblings as we are.
>

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...

> We're all guilty of that. I try to avoid vexations, too, but sometimes
> I'm not successful.
>
> And we're not talking about a child. She's capable of learning
> from what people say and change her behavior, but I completely
> understand why people say she likes this attention, as she makes
> no effort to make peace with anyone. Instead, she steps it up.

But if that is not acceptable, why does anyone read let alone respond.
There is most certainly a remedy for the kind of behaviour you object to.
Ignore the posts you dislike and they will stop. No one will continue to
post if they are consistently ignored. So many people do respond, it is
obvious they do like them - or at least they love the opportunity it affords
to spew out their venom. They enjoy it!

I filter those I dislike if I can but sometimes I am surprised when a person
I rather liked starts to be nasty. I would not have seen these posts had
people I liked not made comments. My filter grows


>> When I defend people, it is not that I applaud what they do, it is to
>> try and stem the tide of cruel and vicious invective and ad hominems it
>> invokes. As I said, I believe that is the only reason some are here. It
>> seems cooking comes a poor second. Is this normal behaviour for
>> Americans? I am making no accusations, it is a genuine question. I know
>> there are sick Brits, you can see it here, but I have never seen it on
>> this scale with so many involved.

> There have been many, many Americans here over the years who don't
> deserve to be painted with that brush.

I agree. There are some lovely Americans here now, but they are
outnumbered


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> I agree. There are some lovely Americans here now, but they are
> outnumbered

Sadly, on most newsgroups the twits consisting of many nationalities
outnumber the non-twits. I believe it's because the non-twits get disgusted
after awhile and leave. :-)

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
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> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>> I agree. There are some lovely Americans here now, but they are
>> outnumbered
>
> Sadly, on most newsgroups the twits consisting of many nationalities
> outnumber the non-twits. I believe it's because the non-twits get
> disgusted after awhile and leave. :-)

There are so many lovely cooks here and they just get drowned out with
all the shit

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On 31/03/2015 11:12 AM, Ophelia wrote:
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> I filter those I dislike if I can but sometimes I am surprised when a
> person I rather liked starts to be nasty. I would not have seen these
> posts had people I liked not made comments. My filter grows
>
I have in the past been tempted, oh so tempted but I plonked her instead.
Graham

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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> "Cheri" > wrote in message
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>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>> I agree. There are some lovely Americans here now, but they are
>>> outnumbered
>>
>> Sadly, on most newsgroups the twits consisting of many nationalities
>> outnumber the non-twits. I believe it's because the non-twits get
>> disgusted after awhile and leave. :-)
>
> There are so many lovely cooks here and they just get drowned out with all
> the shit

I agree, and even some of the more downright rude posters have some
interesting cooking posts at times. It just seems that no matter what
someone posts about cooking, someone has some snotty remark about it, so it
sort of takes away the inclination to post about food in some cases. I don't
killfile, but I do put some posters in colors, so I can easily skip them
when I see where it's going. :-)

Cheri

On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 07:04:34 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 8:16:10 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
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>> Julies outstanding MO is to post something about a situation or a
>> problem as if looking for help or advice. She then proceeds to slam
>> every suggestion that well meaning people offer. Most have given up
>> and, realizing it is just a cry for attention, dump on her attention
>> seeking behaviour. Meanwhile, there are still a few naive fools who take
>> her seriously.
>>
>>
>OhFeelMe immediately comes to mind when someone rushes in to defend the indefensible Julie and take her seriously. But you hit the nail on the head; she lives with a group of whiny slobs and the only attention she receives at home is criticism. She comes here to troll to seek further attention but receives more of the same she gets at home because of her behavior. They're probably as sick of her ramblings as we are.

When people here ask for cooking advice I gladly offer the best I know
but Julie never asks for cooking advice, what she does is relate her
life experineces without ever asking for advice, people offer advice
although none was requested. The best way to deal with the Bove is to
read her posts *carefully* and realize that she's not asking for
assistance and then offer none.

On 2015-03-31 2:30 PM, graham wrote:
> On 31/03/2015 11:12 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>
>> I filter those I dislike if I can but sometimes I am surprised when a
>> person I rather liked starts to be nasty. I would not have seen these
>> posts had people I liked not made comments. My filter grows
>>
> I have in the past been tempted, oh so tempted but I plonked her instead.
>

You have to chuckle at the irony of her complaint. She is notorious for
quoting the people who are best ignored so that plonking them is a waste
of time without chucking her into the twit filter with them.

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 9:35:59 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 07:04:34 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 8:16:10 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> Julies outstanding MO is to post something about a situation or a
> >> problem as if looking for help or advice. She then proceeds to slam
> >> every suggestion that well meaning people offer. Most have given up
> >> and, realizing it is just a cry for attention, dump on her attention
> >> seeking behaviour. Meanwhile, there are still a few naive fools who take
> >> her seriously.
> >>
> >>
> >OhFeelMe immediately comes to mind when someone rushes in to defend the indefensible Julie and take her seriously. But you hit the nail on the head; she lives with a group of whiny slobs and the only attention she receives at home is criticism. She comes here to troll to seek further attention but receives more of the same she gets at home because of her behavior. They're probably as sick of her ramblings as we are.
>
> When people here ask for cooking advice I gladly offer the best I know
> but Julie never asks for cooking advice, what she does is relate her
> life experineces without ever asking for advice, people offer advice
> although none was requested. The best way to deal with the Bove is to
> read her posts *carefully* and realize that she's not asking for
> assistance and then offer none.

What she's doing is using the newsgroup as a blog. This is a smart thing because these posts are going to be around for a lot longer than your average blog sites.

On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 15:50:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-03-31 2:30 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 31/03/2015 11:12 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> I filter those I dislike if I can but sometimes I am surprised when a
>>> person I rather liked starts to be nasty. I would not have seen these
>>> posts had people I liked not made comments. My filter grows
>>>
>> I have in the past been tempted, oh so tempted but I plonked her instead.
>>
>
>You have to chuckle at the irony of her complaint. She is notorious for
>quoting the people who are best ignored so that plonking them is a waste
>of time without chucking her into the twit filter with them.

Mrs Bucket has to be close to being the greatest hypocrite to ever
inhabit RFC. A big claim, I know... but I stand by it. You can take
her comment and watch her contradict them in the past - now - and into
the future.

And what other poster on this group naturally gravitates towards the
blatant trolls like she does? All they have to do it not use
profanities, and she's quite content... figure that one out...

In all the time that we had to put up with that casa boner troll here,
she kept a dialogue going with it and seemingly had no problem with
the disruption caused.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
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> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
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>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>>> I agree. There are some lovely Americans here now, but they are
>>>> outnumbered
>>>
>>> Sadly, on most newsgroups the twits consisting of many nationalities
>>> outnumber the non-twits. I believe it's because the non-twits get
>>> disgusted after awhile and leave. :-)
>>
>> There are so many lovely cooks here and they just get drowned out with
>> all the shit
>
> I agree, and even some of the more downright rude posters have some
> interesting cooking posts at times. It just seems that no matter what
> someone posts about cooking, someone has some snotty remark about it, so
> it sort of takes away the inclination to post about food in some cases. I
> don't killfile, but I do put some posters in colors, so I can easily skip
> them when I see where it's going. :-)

I don't kf all, but I do go up the list and mark several posters as 'read'

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On Wed, 01 Apr 2015 07:12:23 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:12:58 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
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>>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:06:59 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
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>>>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:55:28 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
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>>>>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:37:22 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 00:38:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>And why are you not in that ham thread?
>>>>>
>>>>>Because... because... because whoosh!
>>>>
>>>>Because tofu doesnt count as ham?
>>>
>>>That's it. I only eat ham that never had eyes.
>>
>>Heh. I've never seen a pig's leg or shoulder with eyes before
>
>You would have to go back in time a bit

Or possibly look for some Fukushima pork?
Actually; probably Californian pork too, these days.