"National Beer Day 2015 is celebrated every year on April 7th in the
United States. The special day celebrates the ability for US citizens
to buy, sell, and drink beer that came with the Cullen-Harrison Act,
which was signed by US President Franklin. D. Roosevelt on March 22nd
in 1933. Even though it was signed on March 22nd, the new law did not
go into effect until April 7th, which has come to be known as National
Beer Day."

http://www.day-finder.com/beer-day-national-2015.php

I'll be celebrating with either Odell's or Deschutes' Fresh Squeeze
IPAs. Trying to figure out where I can get some bbq pork. May hafta
make it myself.

nb

On 7 Apr 2015 15:49:14 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>"National Beer Day 2015 is celebrated every year on April 7th in the
>United States. The special day celebrates the ability for US citizens
>to buy, sell, and drink beer that came with the Cullen-Harrison Act,
>which was signed by US President Franklin. D. Roosevelt on March 22nd
>in 1933. Even though it was signed on March 22nd, the new law did not
>go into effect until April 7th, which has come to be known as National
>Beer Day."
>
>http://www.day-finder.com/beer-day-national-2015.php

National beer DAY? Every day is beer day.


>I'll be celebrating with either Odell's or Deschutes' Fresh Squeeze
>IPAs.

I wonder if Cooper's Sparkling Ale is sold over where you are?
If so, I highly recommend it, it's worth trying one small bottle.

>Trying to figure out where I can get some bbq pork. May hafta
>make it myself.

Make it yourself, before you begin celebrating the day too much

On 2015-04-07, Jeßus > wrote:

> Make it yourself, before you begin celebrating the day too much

Yep. I had a partial pork shoulder (1.25 lbs), so rubbed down w/
mustard and spice rub and put in 350F oven. I slowed my intake of
beer until the pork is done.

nb

On 7 Apr 2015 22:04:24 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-04-07, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> Make it yourself, before you begin celebrating the day too much
>
>Yep. I had a partial pork shoulder (1.25 lbs), so rubbed down w/
>mustard and spice rub and put in 350F oven. I slowed my intake of
>beer until the pork is done.

Sounds great, wish I was there!

On 7 Apr 2015 15:49:14 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> "National Beer Day 2015 is celebrated every year on April 7th in the
> United States.

I don't think so.

-- Larry

On 4/7/2015 9:43 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2015 15:49:14 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> > "National Beer Day 2015 is celebrated every year on April 7th in the
> > United States.
>
> I don't think so.
>
> -- Larry
>
It's been at least five years since I drank a beer. My neighbor had a
party and had some left over. She offered me a six-pack. I don't
remember what it was. All I know is it took me at least six months to
drink it.

Jill

On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 6:11:20 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/7/2015 9:43 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
> > On 7 Apr 2015 15:49:14 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >
> > > "National Beer Day 2015 is celebrated every year on April 7th in the
> > > United States.
> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
> > -- Larry
> >
> It's been at least five years since I drank a beer. My neighbor had a
> party and had some left over. She offered me a six-pack. I don't
> remember what it was. All I know is it took me at least six months to
> drink it.
>
Most beer tastes like crap, and it seems like most folks don't even like
the taste of the good tasting stuff. Hops is an odd flavor that I happen
to love, but it's easy to imagine someone hating it like I hate broccoli.

Dr. David Sinclair died the day before National Beer Day. Because of
Sinclair, lots of folks are able to enjoy a beer or two, and stop there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclai...David_Sinclair
>
> Jill

--Bryan

On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 18:04:46 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 6:11:20 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/7/2015 9:43 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>> > On 7 Apr 2015 15:49:14 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >
>> > > "National Beer Day 2015 is celebrated every year on April 7th in the
>> > > United States.
>> >
>> > I don't think so.
>> >
>> > -- Larry
>> >
>> It's been at least five years since I drank a beer. My neighbor had a
>> party and had some left over. She offered me a six-pack. I don't
>> remember what it was. All I know is it took me at least six months to
>> drink it.
>>
>Most beer tastes like crap, and it seems like most folks don't even like
>the taste of the good tasting stuff. Hops is an odd flavor that I happen
>to love, but it's easy to imagine someone hating it like I hate broccoli.
....

You and George HW Bush! Only two people I've ever heard of hating
broccoli!

John Kuthe...

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On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 19:11:14 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> It's been at least five years since I drank a beer. My neighbor had a
> party and had some left over. She offered me a six-pack. I don't
> remember what it was. All I know is it took me at least six months to
> drink it

I like to cook with beer. I braise pork shoulder in beer. Pork and
beer are a match made in heaven.

--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room.

On 4/9/2015 12:32 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 19:11:14 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> It's been at least five years since I drank a beer. My neighbor had a
>> party and had some left over. She offered me a six-pack. I don't
>> remember what it was. All I know is it took me at least six months to
>> drink it
>
> I like to cook with beer. I braise pork shoulder in beer. Pork and
> beer are a match made in heaven.
>
I have no reason to doubt it, I've just never done it. I was
referring to nb's comment about him slowing his beer intake while he
cooked what (just happened to be!) a portion of pork shoulder.

Jill

Bryan-TGWWW > wrote in
:

> drink it.
>>
> Most beer tastes like crap, and it seems like most folks don't even
> like the taste of the good tasting stuff. Hops is an odd flavor that
> I happen to love, but it's easy to imagine someone hating it like I
> hate broccoli.
>
> Dr. David Sinclair died the day before National Beer Day. Because of
> Sinclair, lots of folks are able to enjoy a beer or two, and stop
> there.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclai...David_Sinclair
>>
>> Jill
>
> --Bryan

You really should modify that statement to read "Most beer tastes like crap
TO ME". As in, having a personal opinion. I happen to like the taste of
most beers, especially the really hoppy IPAs.

As far as most people not even liking the taste of beer:

"Most people do not like the taste of beer at first. Fortunately, this is
a prejudice many are able to overcome."
-m Winston Churchill

On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:11:02 -0500, Alan Holbrook >
wrote:

> As far as most people not even liking the taste of beer:
>
> "Most people do not like the taste of beer at first. Fortunately, this is
> a prejudice many are able to overcome."
> -m Winston Churchill

Too bad they have to leave the country to find something they like.
Unfortunately, we're still recovering from the Prohibition Era but
micro-brewers seem to be improving the product.

--

sf

On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:11:02 -0500, Alan Holbrook >
wrote:

>Bryan-TGWWW > wrote in
:
>
>> drink it.
>>>
>> Most beer tastes like crap, and it seems like most folks don't even
>> like the taste of the good tasting stuff. Hops is an odd flavor that
>> I happen to love, but it's easy to imagine someone hating it like I
>> hate broccoli.
>>
>> Dr. David Sinclair died the day before National Beer Day. Because of
>> Sinclair, lots of folks are able to enjoy a beer or two, and stop
>> there.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclai...David_Sinclair
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> --Bryan
>
>You really should modify that statement to read "Most beer tastes like crap
>TO ME". As in, having a personal opinion. I happen to like the taste of
>most beers, especially the really hoppy IPAs.

That is non sequitor in Bryan's mental pathology. Someone suffering
from Narcississtic Personality Disorder universalizes THEIR opinions
and touts that everyone else should believe the way they do. Which is
precisely what Bryan does.

Think about it.

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On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 02:54:36 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/9/2015 12:32 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 19:11:14 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's been at least five years since I drank a beer. My neighbor had a
>>> party and had some left over. She offered me a six-pack. I don't
>>> remember what it was. All I know is it took me at least six months to
>>> drink it
>>
>> I like to cook with beer. I braise pork shoulder in beer. Pork and
>> beer are a match made in heaven.
>>
>I have no reason to doubt it, I've just never done it. I was
>referring to nb's comment about him slowing his beer intake while he
>cooked what (just happened to be!) a portion of pork shoulder.
>
>Jill

Well of course, because beer is a flavorant. And the stronger and
better the beer's flavors, the more desirable flavorants it imparts to
a dish when it's used in it.

Most of any beer is water though.

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On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 08:36:19 -0500, John Kuthe >
wrote:

> Most of any beer is water though.

That's why what makes it drinkable.



--

sf

On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 06:58:40 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 08:36:19 -0500, John Kuthe >
>wrote:
>
>> Most of any beer is water though.
>
>That's why what makes it drinkable.

True, water is the base substance in everything we drink, I think.
Ethanol is another base substance we drink, but is hella harsh in it's
pure form.

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sf > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:11:02 -0500, Alan Holbrook >
> wrote:
>
>> As far as most people not even liking the taste of beer:
>>
>> "Most people do not like the taste of beer at first. Fortunately,
>> this is a prejudice many are able to overcome."
>> -m Winston Churchill
>
> Too bad they have to leave the country to find something they like.
> Unfortunately, we're still recovering from the Prohibition Era but
> micro-brewers seem to be improving the product.
>

Micro-brewers are indeed improving the product. There are a _lot_ of very
good craft brews available, especially in the hoppy IPAs I mentioned I
like. There's a very nice, well-stocked craft beer store near me, with
very knowledgable staff, and they almost always have a new recommendation
for me when I stop in. The list in the little journal I keep is up to
about 14 or 15 brands.

I totally agree with you about the quality of American large-scale
production beer. The British drink their beer warm (cellar temperature) so
they can get the full complex flavor of the beverage. American
manufacturers have convinced the public that ice cold beer is the way to go
because cold masks the flavor.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 01:00:42 -0500, Alan Holbrook >
wrote:

> sf > wrote in
> :
>
> > On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 03:11:02 -0500, Alan Holbrook >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> As far as most people not even liking the taste of beer:
> >>
> >> "Most people do not like the taste of beer at first. Fortunately,
> >> this is a prejudice many are able to overcome."
> >> -m Winston Churchill
> >
> > Too bad they have to leave the country to find something they like.
> > Unfortunately, we're still recovering from the Prohibition Era but
> > micro-brewers seem to be improving the product.
> >
>
> Micro-brewers are indeed improving the product. There are a _lot_ of very
> good craft brews available, especially in the hoppy IPAs I mentioned I
> like. There's a very nice, well-stocked craft beer store near me, with
> very knowledgable staff, and they almost always have a new recommendation
> for me when I stop in. The list in the little journal I keep is up to
> about 14 or 15 brands.
>
> I totally agree with you about the quality of American large-scale
> production beer. The British drink their beer warm (cellar temperature) so
> they can get the full complex flavor of the beverage. American
> manufacturers have convinced the public that ice cold beer is the way to go
> because cold masks the flavor.

You lost me at hoppy. When I don't like a beer, it's because it's too
hoppy for me.

--

sf

On 2015-04-10 8:54 AM, sf wrote:

>> I totally agree with you about the quality of American large-scale
>> production beer. The British drink their beer warm (cellar temperature) so
>> they can get the full complex flavor of the beverage. American
>> manufacturers have convinced the public that ice cold beer is the way to go
>> because cold masks the flavor.
>
> You lost me at hoppy. When I don't like a beer, it's because it's too
> hoppy for me.
>

I can understand that. It is a potent taste. I like it and IPA is one of
my favourites. My son used to manage a brew pub and met a lot of
brewers. He told me that IPA is often the beer of choice for brewers,
butt that you have to be careful with so-called craft brews because they
will often add a bunch of hops to a bad batch of beer to cover the flaws.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 09:32:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2015-04-10 8:54 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >> I totally agree with you about the quality of American large-scale
> >> production beer. The British drink their beer warm (cellar temperature) so
> >> they can get the full complex flavor of the beverage. American
> >> manufacturers have convinced the public that ice cold beer is the way to go
> >> because cold masks the flavor.
> >
> > You lost me at hoppy. When I don't like a beer, it's because it's too
> > hoppy for me.
> >
>
> I can understand that. It is a potent taste. I like it and IPA is one of
> my favourites. My son used to manage a brew pub and met a lot of
> brewers. He told me that IPA is often the beer of choice for brewers,
> butt that you have to be careful with so-called craft brews because they
> will often add a bunch of hops to a bad batch of beer to cover the flaws.

Not into the minutiae of brewing beer, but I think IPA is fine... at
least the IPAs I've tried. It's certainly the palest ale I'll drink.
I prefer amber or red. I'm a wine drinker, so I always like wheat
beer.

--

sf

sf wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, we're still recovering from the Prohibition Era...

Ummmmm ;-D

On 2015-04-10 12:45 PM, sf wrote:
>
>>> You lost me at hoppy. When I don't like a beer, it's because it's too
>>> hoppy for me.
>>>
>>
>> I can understand that. It is a potent taste. I like it and IPA is one of
>> my favourites. My son used to manage a brew pub and met a lot of
>> brewers. He told me that IPA is often the beer of choice for brewers,
>> butt that you have to be careful with so-called craft brews because they
>> will often add a bunch of hops to a bad batch of beer to cover the flaws.
>
> Not into the minutiae of brewing beer, but I think IPA is fine... at
> least the IPAs I've tried. It's certainly the palest ale I'll drink.
> I prefer amber or red. I'm a wine drinker, so I always like wheat
> beer.
>


Now you have me confused. You said you didn't like beer because it is
hoppy. Then you say that that IPA is fine. IPA is one of the hoppier
ales.

A couple weeks ago I had a wheat beer with citrus, served with a slice
of orange as a garnish. I was in the so called English pub that had
recently opened up in our town. I was expecting a wider variety of beers
on tap, but the beers they have from a local craft brewery are
incredible. I had tried their Irish dark ale and it was really good,
but I had ordered fish and chips and it was too heavy for that. I was
easily talked into the lighter beer with the citrus. I was shocked to
see a glass of beer garnished with an slice or orange, but I have to say
it was delicious, and went well with the not at all greasy fish and chips.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:31:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-04-10 12:45 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>>>> You lost me at hoppy. When I don't like a beer, it's because it's too
>>>> hoppy for me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can understand that. It is a potent taste. I like it and IPA is one of
>>> my favourites. My son used to manage a brew pub and met a lot of
>>> brewers. He told me that IPA is often the beer of choice for brewers,
>>> butt that you have to be careful with so-called craft brews because they
>>> will often add a bunch of hops to a bad batch of beer to cover the flaws.
>>
>> Not into the minutiae of brewing beer, but I think IPA is fine... at
>> least the IPAs I've tried. It's certainly the palest ale I'll drink.
>> I prefer amber or red. I'm a wine drinker, so I always like wheat
>> beer.
>>
>
>
>Now you have me confused. You said you didn't like beer because it is
>hoppy. Then you say that that IPA is fine.

Doesn't surprise me in the least, to be honest

>IPA is one of the hoppier ales.

Indeed, IPA is known for it's hoppiness. IPA is basically pale ale
with extra hops added, originally added as a preservative so it could
be exported to warmer climes such as India.

>A couple weeks ago I had a wheat beer with citrus, served with a slice
>of orange as a garnish. I was in the so called English pub that had
>recently opened up in our town. I was expecting a wider variety of beers
>on tap, but the beers they have from a local craft brewery are
>incredible. I had tried their Irish dark ale and it was really good,
>but I had ordered fish and chips and it was too heavy for that. I was
>easily talked into the lighter beer with the citrus. I was shocked to
>see a glass of beer garnished with an slice or orange, but I have to say
>it was delicious, and went well with the not at all greasy fish and chips.

I had a similar beer not that long ago, I think it had lime added and
it was a great drink for a summer's day.

On Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 8:33:15 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
>
>
> That is non sequitor in Bryan's mental pathology.
>
All those degrees, and The Gelding still can't spell non sequitur.
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>
--Bryan

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

> On 2015-04-10 8:54 AM, sf wrote:
>
>>>
>> You lost me at hoppy. When I don't like a beer, it's because it's
>> too hoppy for me.
>>
>
> I can understand that. It is a potent taste. I like it and IPA is one
> of my favourites. My son used to manage a brew pub and met a lot of
> brewers. He told me that IPA is often the beer of choice for brewers,
> butt that you have to be careful with so-called craft brews because
> they will often add a bunch of hops to a bad batch of beer to cover
> the flaws.

Yes, indeed, "hoppy" is an acquired taste, quite often too bitter for
people. And the hoppy IPAs tend to run to a higher alcohol content, which
can be disturbing. But again, personaly, that's to my tastes. Two of the
best hoppy IPAs, IMHO, if you can find them in your locale are Oskar Blue
G'Knight and He'Brew Hop Manna.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:31:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2015-04-10 12:45 PM, sf wrote:
> >
> >>> You lost me at hoppy. When I don't like a beer, it's because it's too
> >>> hoppy for me.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I can understand that. It is a potent taste. I like it and IPA is one of
> >> my favourites. My son used to manage a brew pub and met a lot of
> >> brewers. He told me that IPA is often the beer of choice for brewers,
> >> butt that you have to be careful with so-called craft brews because they
> >> will often add a bunch of hops to a bad batch of beer to cover the flaws.
> >
> > Not into the minutiae of brewing beer, but I think IPA is fine... at
> > least the IPAs I've tried. It's certainly the palest ale I'll drink.
> > I prefer amber or red. I'm a wine drinker, so I always like wheat
> > beer.
> >
>
>
> Now you have me confused. You said you didn't like beer because it is
> hoppy. Then you say that that IPA is fine. IPA is one of the hoppier
> ales.

It is? I am not a beer drinker. I may have tried an IPA 3 or 4 times
and I didn't think it was disgusting, but whenever I have tasted a
beer I didn't like I was told it's "hoppy". For me, "hoppy" equals
bitter and that's why I prefer amber/red.
>
> A couple weeks ago I had a wheat beer with citrus, served with a slice
> of orange as a garnish. I was in the so called English pub that had
> recently opened up in our town. I was expecting a wider variety of beers
> on tap, but the beers they have from a local craft brewery are
> incredible. I had tried their Irish dark ale and it was really good,
> but I had ordered fish and chips and it was too heavy for that. I was
> easily talked into the lighter beer with the citrus. I was shocked to
> see a glass of beer garnished with an slice or orange, but I have to say
> it was delicious, and went well with the not at all greasy fish and chips.
>

I tried some sort of a fruit beer a couple of years ago. It was
pretty good, but it wasn't anything that turned me into a beer
drinker.

--

sf

On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 01:52:35 -0500, Alan Holbrook >
wrote:

>Dave Smith > wrote in
:
>
>> On 2015-04-10 8:54 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> You lost me at hoppy. When I don't like a beer, it's because it's
>>> too hoppy for me.
>>>
>>
>> I can understand that. It is a potent taste. I like it and IPA is one
>> of my favourites. My son used to manage a brew pub and met a lot of
>> brewers. He told me that IPA is often the beer of choice for brewers,
>> butt that you have to be careful with so-called craft brews because
>> they will often add a bunch of hops to a bad batch of beer to cover
>> the flaws.
>
>Yes, indeed, "hoppy" is an acquired taste, quite often too bitter for
>people. And the hoppy IPAs tend to run to a higher alcohol content, which
>can be disturbing.

Disturbing? Really?

My favourite commercial beer is Coopers Sparkling Ale, which is 5.8%.
Relatively high in alcohol, but it's partly the alcohol that gives it
it's good taste. Coopers Sparkling Ale is derived from (a lower
alcohol %) Coopers Pale Ale, but the latter 'pales' in comparison to
the Sparkling Ale. The main difference is the alcohol content.
Sometimes it really does make it taste better.

Next, taking it to a somewhat extreme is Coopers Extra Strong Vintage
Ale. It's exquisite (but so it should be at around AUD$90 per carton).
Around 8.9% usually. Very hoppy but I've never encountered such fruity
subtleties (from the hops) in flavour with this beer. The higher
alcohol again complements it.

>But again, personaly, that's to my tastes. Two of the
>best hoppy IPAs, IMHO, if you can find them in your locale are Oskar Blue
>G'Knight and He'Brew Hop Manna.

On 2015-04-11, Jeßus > wrote:

> Very hoppy but I've never encountered such fruity
> subtleties (from the hops) in flavour with this beer.

Before I got into home-brewed beers, I saw my share of beer garnished
with citrus. Lemon slices in wheat beers, orange slices in others,
etc. Don't even talk to me about the lime wedges in the most
flavorless cerveza on the planet!

Turns out good beers, specially ales, have their own flavors. IPAs
(my faves) range from citrus, like orange or grapefruit, to carmelized
peaches. Yes, that's the flavor I get from some very malty IPAs,
which is really weird, as I've never had carmelized peaches. Depends
on the hops and/or yeast used. My fave high octane IPA (7.2abv) is
Mojo IPA by Boulder Brewing, CO. Very grapefruity. My fave peach HO
IPA (6.5 abv) is Fresh Squeezed from Deschutes Brewing in OR. The
aroma/flavor of carmelized peaches is so good, I ignore the wimpy 6.5
abv (alcohol by volume).

FACT: Most micro breweries are cutting back on the high alcohol
content of their beers. Very few remain what they were 10 yrs ago.
This is due to the alohol being directly proportional to the
amt/quality of the malt grain used brewing it. IPAs take a lot more
grain than low alcohol beers. Very few West Coast brewers are still
make a 7.0 or higher abv. Too expensive. Easier to make a dbl IPA
and charge more ($10-$12 per 4-pak).

My fave hoppy IPA is Pliny the Elder. I've never tried Pliny the
Younger, reputed to be even more hoppier than his pop's. I like hops,
no doubt due to having worked Summers on a hops ranch (why not farm?)
when I was in high school. That's another thread.

nb

On 2015-04-11, barbie gee > wrote:

> served with orange.

????

Blue Moon is Coor's take on a classic Belgian beer, witbier, a style
of wheat beer, which includes in its ingredients dried bitter orange
rind and coriander. They do a credible job. I buy and drink it,
occasionally. Hoegaarden (hu-garden) is the Belgian made standard for
this style. Perhaps the reason why I've never seen a witbier served
with an orange garnish. They don't need it ....unless yer taste buds
are totally shot. That, plus the fact I rarely drink in bars.

nb

On 2015-04-11, barbie gee > wrote:

> yeah, around here, there's always an orange slice garnishing the beer
> mug/stein of Blue Moon.

Philistines!

nb

On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 2:52:39 AM UTC-4, Alan Holbrook wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote in
> :
>
> > On 2015-04-10 8:54 AM, sf wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >> You lost me at hoppy. When I don't like a beer, it's because it's
> >> too hoppy for me.
> >>
> >
> > I can understand that. It is a potent taste. I like it and IPA is one
> > of my favourites. My son used to manage a brew pub and met a lot of
> > brewers. He told me that IPA is often the beer of choice for brewers,
> > butt that you have to be careful with so-called craft brews because
> > they will often add a bunch of hops to a bad batch of beer to cover
> > the flaws.
>
> Yes, indeed, "hoppy" is an acquired taste, quite often too bitter for
> people. And the hoppy IPAs tend to run to a higher alcohol content, which
> can be disturbing. But again, personaly, that's to my tastes. Two of the
> best hoppy IPAs, IMHO, if you can find them in your locale are Oskar Blue
> G'Knight and He'Brew Hop Manna.

Alan, et al:

Try a "session" IPA. Still nice and hoppy, but less than 5% ABV, so
not as much alcohol taste and lesser effects after a session :-).
My current fav: Stone Go To IPA, widely available.

--
Silvar Beitel

On 11 Apr 2015 14:37:48 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-04-11, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> Very hoppy but I've never encountered such fruity
>> subtleties (from the hops) in flavour with this beer.
>
>Before I got into home-brewed beers, I saw my share of beer garnished
>with citrus. Lemon slices in wheat beers, orange slices in others,
>etc. Don't even talk to me about the lime wedges in the most
>flavorless cerveza on the planet!
>
>Turns out good beers, specially ales, have their own flavors. IPAs
>(my faves) range from citrus, like orange or grapefruit, to carmelized
>peaches. Yes, that's the flavor I get from some very malty IPAs,
>which is really weird, as I've never had carmelized peaches.

Not at all weird, as I know what you mean. There's plenty of hoppy
'boutique' beers out there, but a small handful of those I've tried
manage to do something magical with the hops in their ales... fruity
flavours that changes from the first time it hits your taste buds to
moments later when it changes slightly to another. I've brewed a lot
of ales but I haven't managed to achieve that kind of sophisticated
and subtle flavours.

> Depends
>on the hops and/or yeast used. My fave high octane IPA (7.2abv) is
>Mojo IPA by Boulder Brewing, CO. Very grapefruity. My fave peach HO
>IPA (6.5 abv) is Fresh Squeezed from Deschutes Brewing in OR. The
>aroma/flavor of carmelized peaches is so good, I ignore the wimpy 6.5
>abv (alcohol by volume).
>
>FACT: Most micro breweries are cutting back on the high alcohol
>content of their beers. Very few remain what they were 10 yrs ago.
>This is due to the alohol being directly proportional to the
>amt/quality of the malt grain used brewing it. IPAs take a lot more
>grain than low alcohol beers. Very few West Coast brewers are still
>make a 7.0 or higher abv. Too expensive.

Yeah. More alcohol also means more malt and/or sugar. And time.

>Easier to make a dbl IPA
>and charge more ($10-$12 per 4-pak).
>
>My fave hoppy IPA is Pliny the Elder. I've never tried Pliny the
>Younger, reputed to be even more hoppier than his pop's.

I love the brand name

>I like hops,
>no doubt due to having worked Summers on a hops ranch (why not farm?)
>when I was in high school. That's another thread.

We have hops farms not all that far from here, so unless I want some
specific kind of hops I can get a couple of varieties here easily and
cheaply. I had a couple of hops vines in my yard, but I recall them
growing this past spring/summer... hmm. They must have died...

I know a few ppl who have worked picking hops, there have been times
cops have gotten rather excited about the odour coming from them...
until they find out they work at a hops farm

On 4/11/15 2:52 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:
>.... Two of the
> best hoppy IPAs, IMHO, if you can find them in your locale are Oskar Blue
> G'Knight and He'Brew Hop Manna.

For me, it's Green Flash's Hop Head Red, a few black IPAs, and the hop
monsters from Dogfish Head.

-- Larry

On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 11:34:08 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 2:52:39 AM UTC-4, Alan Holbrook wrote:
> > Dave Smith > wrote in
> > :
> >
> > > On 2015-04-10 8:54 AM, sf wrote:
> > >
> > >>>
> > >> You lost me at hoppy. When I don't like a beer, it's because it's
> > >> too hoppy for me.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I can understand that. It is a potent taste. I like it and IPA is one
> > > of my favourites. My son used to manage a brew pub and met a lot of
> > > brewers. He told me that IPA is often the beer of choice for brewers,
> > > butt that you have to be careful with so-called craft brews because
> > > they will often add a bunch of hops to a bad batch of beer to cover
> > > the flaws.
> >
> > Yes, indeed, "hoppy" is an acquired taste, quite often too bitter for
> > people. And the hoppy IPAs tend to run to a higher alcohol content, which
> > can be disturbing. But again, personaly, that's to my tastes. Two of the
> > best hoppy IPAs, IMHO, if you can find them in your locale are Oskar Blue
> > G'Knight and He'Brew Hop Manna.
>
> Alan, et al:
>
> Try a "session" IPA. Still nice and hoppy, but less than 5% ABV, so
> not as much alcohol taste and lesser effects after a session :-).
> My current fav: Stone Go To IPA, widely available.
>
Paying full price for watered down Stone (or any other "session" beer) is
silly. I cut the full strength stuff with seltzer.
>
> --
> Silvar Beitel

--Bryan

On 2015-04-12, pltrgyst > wrote:

> For me, it's Green Flash's Hop Head Red, a few black IPAs, and the hop
> monsters from Dogfish Head.

I've never understood the East Coast allegiance to DH beer. Must be
cuz they got nothing better. I've tasted their admittedly famous 60,
90, and 120 minute IPAs. Thirteen dollars for a twelve ounce 120
minute IPA!? I did it once. Never again. 8|

That's not to say the East Coast is bereft of good breweries. I will
gladly extend kudos to the New York brewery, Ommegang, which makes
brilliant Belgian-style brews.

nb

On 2015-04-16, W. Lohman > wrote:

> Prove there are two or more of the year 2015.

Pshaw! There's one for every day of that year. Feel free to count
them.

nb