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Wine tasting, no alcohol
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Wine tasting, no alcohol
On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:06:08 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 14/04/2015 1:49 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 3:08:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: > >> On 2015-04-14 1:10 AM, dsi1 wrote: > >> > >>>> It is not just the half ounce of wine, it is also the time and the > >>>> glassware that has to be washed, maybe some nibbles on the counter > >>>> too. Fifteen years ago, hardly anyone charge, but there are more > >>>> leeches around now. > >>>> > >>> > >>> My guess is that some companies consider all that to be the cost of > >>> doing business. > >> > >> > >> Yes they do. The wineries did it for a long time. If you go to a > >> flooring store you can see small samples of tile or rug. It may be > >> difficult for some people to imagine what it will look like covering an > >> entire floor, but they simply cannot afford the time and space to have > >> entire rooms done in the colours and styles you are considering. When > >> it got to the point where people were coming around just to taste the > >> wines and the wineries realized that they were just free wine bars for > >> mooches they started charging. I don't do as much wine tasting as I used > >> to but, other than ice wine, I have not paid for samples in years. I go > >> out looking for certain types of wines, find the wines I like and buy a > >> anywhere from 6 bottles to 2 cases and have not been charged for the > >> samples. > > > > I don't know a thing about selling wine but my guess is that one of the > most important task would be to get people to taste the product. Charging > for a taste seems counterproductive. > > > That's fine if you make "2 buck chuck". But if your wine is of decent to > high quality, well known to be such and with a commensurate highish > price, then you can't give it away to all and sundry. > Charging helps separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. > Graham > > -- Sounds like you gots it bass-ackwards. One shouldn't expect to sample el-cheapo whine i.e., the price does the talking, not the wine. |
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On 4/14/2015 11:33 AM, graham wrote:
> On 14/04/2015 9:10 AM, notbob wrote: >> On 2015-04-14, > wrote: >> > >> >> Look for "old vine" zins. Zin vines are not uprooted and replanted >> every 7-10 yrs. Some CA zins are 100 yrs old. Plus, zin has a very >> high sugar content, > > Only in hotter climates surely. > > so alcohol content is high. I never buy a zin >> with less than 14.5%abv. > > Wines like that are too "hot". I try to buy wines with less than 14% > alcohol. > > >> >> I've also had a local pinot noir that rocked my boat. So robust, it >> was "chewy" (real wine tasting term). ;) >> > The best Californian PNs I've had are those of Walter Hansel from > Russian River. > They are very Burgundian and underpriced for their quality. > Graham The Zinfandel grape is also called Primitivo and to my taste the wine is certainly "primitive". I can drink it but I can understand my wife's distaste for it. -- Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD) Extraneous "not." in Reply To. |
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dsi1 wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote: >> dsi1 wrote: >> >Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> >>dsi1 >> >>dsi1 wrote: >> >> >> >>> Charging for samples is a mickey mouse way of doing business. It implies >> >>> that your customers are scumbags and are not to be trusted. >> >> >> >> The reason most charge now is many on the tasters are not customers, >> >> just scumbags looking for a freebie. >> >> >> >> Most places had some sort of a deal that when you buy, you get a >> >> discount, rebate, or other compensation against what you paid. One >> >> winery in particular that I've been to a couple of times charges a >> >> modest fee for five different tastings. I've seen many people do the >> >> tasting and walk out not spending a penny otherwise. >> >> >> >> There is one vineyard I frequent that has a "Cellar Club" you can sign >> >> up for once you buy something. You get tasting for two people on every >> >> visit and you get a 15% discount every time you buy a case >> >> >> >All things being equal, I'm partial to businesses that don't consider me >> >to be a scumbag. Is this the wrong attitude? >> >> dsi1, you're altering the terminology - your terminology is incorrect, >> they are not wine samplings, they are wine tastings... check the >> Subject line... I've never seen wine "samplings" advertised. I >> believe samples should be free with no strings otherwise they're not >> samples. When the bakery places a tray of broken cookies on the >> counter labeled "Samples" they hope people buy but if not business >> goes on as broken cookies otherwise go into the trash, or made into >> crumbs for decorating a cake. Wine "Tastings" do not imply free, wine >> tastings are held with the explicit intent of introducing and selling >> wines, they are not samples. If you attend wine tastings, pay a fee >> or not, and don't buy then you are indeed a scumbag. Winerys learned >> that charging a fee keeps the riff raff/scumbags away making for a >> more enjoyable less crowded experience for those who buy... and those >> who buy typically recoup the modest entry fee with the first case they >> buy at discount... the fee is meant to encourage purchasing. I can't >> imagine normal people who actually have a life wasting a day sipping >> dribs of wine just because it's free when they don't intend to buy... >> the scumbags would do themselves and everyone else a favor staying >> home guzzling their favorite $3/liter box wine. > >Actually, my terminology is always 100 percent correct. Nothing about you is above the 10 percentile range except the one thing about you that's 100% is your phonyness. You cheapo *******s always find some fercocktah rationalization for being a freeloader... and if you weren't such a cheapo ******* you'd have a real newsreader that wraps properly so I'd not need to delete most of your posts unread. I'm 100% positive you live on crappy frozen tv dinners, have never cooked anything, and the finast wine you ever tasted is Bud Lite. But don't feel bad, lots of people who have net access come here to hang out but at least half the regular posters here don't cook... it's very easy to fake knowing about cooking, everyone eats, anyone can watch foodtv, and anyone can google. I've been here a very long time, I can pick out the fakes by their third post, but I don't say anything until they get all haughty. dsi1 is cheap and most obviously a FAKE! |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:49:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote: >On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 3:08:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >> On 2015-04-14 1:10 AM, dsi1 wrote: >> >> >> It is not just the half ounce of wine, it is also the time and the >> >> glassware that has to be washed, maybe some nibbles on the counter >> >> too. Fifteen years ago, hardly anyone charge, but there are more >> >> leeches around now. >> >> >> > >> > My guess is that some companies consider all that to be the cost of >> > doing business. >> >> >> Yes they do. The wineries did it for a long time. If you go to a >> flooring store you can see small samples of tile or rug. It may be >> difficult for some people to imagine what it will look like covering an >> entire floor, but they simply cannot afford the time and space to have >> entire rooms done in the colours and styles you are considering. When >> it got to the point where people were coming around just to taste the >> wines and the wineries realized that they were just free wine bars for >> mooches they started charging. I don't do as much wine tasting as I used >> to but, other than ice wine, I have not paid for samples in years. I go >> out looking for certain types of wines, find the wines I like and buy a >> anywhere from 6 bottles to 2 cases and have not been charged for the >> samples. > >I don't know a thing about selling wine but my guess is that one of the most important task would be to get people to taste the product. Charging for a taste seems counterproductive. OTOH, I suppose a small number of cars are sold without a test drive. :-) If you walked into a Mercedes dealership they'd not let you test drive without being vetted... but then you're a Yugo boy same as you're a box wine boy. |
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On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 11:28:43 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: > >Brooklyn1 wrote: > >> dsi1 wrote: > >> >Ed Pawlowski wrote: > >> >>dsi1 > >> >>dsi1 wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Charging for samples is a mickey mouse way of doing business. It implies > >> >>> that your customers are scumbags and are not to be trusted. > >> >> > >> >> The reason most charge now is many on the tasters are not customers, > >> >> just scumbags looking for a freebie. > >> >> > >> >> Most places had some sort of a deal that when you buy, you get a > >> >> discount, rebate, or other compensation against what you paid. One > >> >> winery in particular that I've been to a couple of times charges a > >> >> modest fee for five different tastings. I've seen many people do the > >> >> tasting and walk out not spending a penny otherwise. > >> >> > >> >> There is one vineyard I frequent that has a "Cellar Club" you can sign > >> >> up for once you buy something. You get tasting for two people on every > >> >> visit and you get a 15% discount every time you buy a case > >> >> > >> >All things being equal, I'm partial to businesses that don't consider me > >> >to be a scumbag. Is this the wrong attitude? > >> > >> dsi1, you're altering the terminology - your terminology is incorrect, > >> they are not wine samplings, they are wine tastings... check the > >> Subject line... I've never seen wine "samplings" advertised. I > >> believe samples should be free with no strings otherwise they're not > >> samples. When the bakery places a tray of broken cookies on the > >> counter labeled "Samples" they hope people buy but if not business > >> goes on as broken cookies otherwise go into the trash, or made into > >> crumbs for decorating a cake. Wine "Tastings" do not imply free, wine > >> tastings are held with the explicit intent of introducing and selling > >> wines, they are not samples. If you attend wine tastings, pay a fee > >> or not, and don't buy then you are indeed a scumbag. Winerys learned > >> that charging a fee keeps the riff raff/scumbags away making for a > >> more enjoyable less crowded experience for those who buy... and those > >> who buy typically recoup the modest entry fee with the first case they > >> buy at discount... the fee is meant to encourage purchasing. I can't > >> imagine normal people who actually have a life wasting a day sipping > >> dribs of wine just because it's free when they don't intend to buy... > >> the scumbags would do themselves and everyone else a favor staying > >> home guzzling their favorite $3/liter box wine. > > > >Actually, my terminology is always 100 percent correct. > > Nothing about you is above the 10 percentile range except the one > thing about you that's 100% is your phonyness. You cheapo *******s > always find some fercocktah rationalization for being a freeloader... > and if you weren't such a cheapo ******* you'd have a real newsreader > that wraps properly so I'd not need to delete most of your posts > unread. I'm 100% positive you live on crappy frozen tv dinners, have > never cooked anything, and the finast wine you ever tasted is Bud > Lite. But don't feel bad, lots of people who have net access come > here to hang out but at least half the regular posters here don't > cook... it's very easy to fake knowing about cooking, everyone eats, > anyone can watch foodtv, and anyone can google. I've been here a very > long time, I can pick out the fakes by their third post, but I don't > say anything until they get all haughty. dsi1 is cheap and most > obviously a FAKE! I love you too, pal! :-) |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote: >> >> No, they don't consider the customers to be scumbags, they consider >> the many freeloaders to be. They are not now and never will be a >> customer. Again, how often do you go to vineyards for tastings? How >> often have you observed what goes on? Easy to sit back on your throne >> and say what a business should do if you've never experienced it. >> Don't let real life get in the way of your perception. > >Actually, I'm not sitting back on a throne - I'm down in the trenches and putting my money where my mouth is. Businesses gots to do what they gots to do. OTOH, the businesses that I admire are the ones that didn't do business as usual but shook heaven and earth. :-) OK, then they are doing exactly what you want them to do. Any mediocre business can give away free samples, but the better ones can sell them. At least it separates the window shoppers from the real potential customer. Most will give you some return if you buy. |
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On 2015-04-14 3:37 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 3:24:33 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote: >> dsi1 wrote: >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> imagine normal people who actually have a life wasting a day >> sipping dribs of wine just because it's free when they don't intend >> to buy... the scumbags would do themselves and everyone else a >> favor staying home guzzling their favorite $3/liter box wine. > > Actually, my terminology is always 100 percent correct. I'm not > talking about special events put on by the winery or groups of damned > tourists bussed in. I'm talking about a guy dropping in that's > interested in getting info on a product. The reality is if you're > going to sell some products, especially new ones, it has to be made > real in the buyer's mind and not remain just words bouncing around. > My guess is that the is very true with wine - it's best to let the > wine do the talking. The reality is that they all used to have free samples. Most places still do for those who are actually in the market and buying. The reality includes the fact that tasting free wine became a past time for too many people. They would go from one winery to another and suck back as free wine as they could and never buy anything. Meanwhile, people who were actually shopping for wine couldn't get service. |
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On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 12:34:39 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > wrote: > > > > >> > >> No, they don't consider the customers to be scumbags, they consider > >> the many freeloaders to be. They are not now and never will be a > >> customer. Again, how often do you go to vineyards for tastings? How > >> often have you observed what goes on? Easy to sit back on your throne > >> and say what a business should do if you've never experienced it. > >> Don't let real life get in the way of your perception. > > > >Actually, I'm not sitting back on a throne - I'm down in the trenches and putting my money where my mouth is. Businesses gots to do what they gots to do. OTOH, the businesses that I admire are the ones that didn't do business as usual but shook heaven and earth. :-) > > OK, then they are doing exactly what you want them to do. Any > mediocre business can give away free samples, but the better ones can > sell them. At least it separates the window shoppers from the real > potential customer. Most will give you some return if you buy. I get sent free promotional items every week. It seems kind of a costly way to sell merchandise. I don't know how they can afford to do it. Mostly it's cheap stuff and I just toss it in the pile. If it's a pen with a bamboo body however, I'm gonna notice it. If it has a good promotional price attached to it, I'm gonna buy a few hundred. That's what it takes to get noticed these days. |
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On 2015-04-14, Dave Smith > wrote:
> too many people. They would go from one winery to another and suck back > as free wine as they could and never buy anything. Meanwhile, people who > were actually shopping for wine couldn't get service. That's precisely what happened where I usta live. Dusty cowtown out on SFBA's dusty frontier. Miraculously transformed into Napa Valley South, replete with Tasting Days w/ bus tours to every planted-yesterday winery in the valley. I hadda get outta there! nb |
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On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 12:41:00 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-04-14 3:37 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 3:24:33 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote: > >> dsi1 wrote: > >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote: > > >> imagine normal people who actually have a life wasting a day > >> sipping dribs of wine just because it's free when they don't intend > >> to buy... the scumbags would do themselves and everyone else a > >> favor staying home guzzling their favorite $3/liter box wine. > > > > Actually, my terminology is always 100 percent correct. I'm not > > talking about special events put on by the winery or groups of damned > > tourists bussed in. I'm talking about a guy dropping in that's > > interested in getting info on a product. The reality is if you're > > going to sell some products, especially new ones, it has to be made > > real in the buyer's mind and not remain just words bouncing around. > > My guess is that the is very true with wine - it's best to let the > > wine do the talking. > > The reality is that they all used to have free samples. Most places > still do for those who are actually in the market and buying. The > reality includes the fact that tasting free wine became a past time for > too many people. They would go from one winery to another and suck back > as free wine as they could and never buy anything. Meanwhile, people who > were actually shopping for wine couldn't get service. I'm thinking of doing a promotion where I take clients next door and buy them lunch and they get to try out product. I figure it'll cost about 30 bucks a pop but it could be worth doing - it is scary though. Hopefully, I'll be able to read their intentions before I propose this to them. Hee hee. |
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On 2015-04-14 3:49 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> do as much wine tasting as I used to but, other than ice wine, I >> have not paid for samples in years. I go out looking for certain >> types of wines, find the wines I like and buy a anywhere from 6 >> bottles to 2 cases and have not been charged for the samples. > > I don't know a thing about selling wine but my guess is that one of > the most important task would be to get people to taste the product. > Charging for a taste seems counterproductive. OTOH, I suppose a small > number of cars are sold without a test drive. :-) > People are used to buying wine on spec. Some of them are expensive and there are a lot of people who really can't justify spending a lot of money on a bottle of wine they know nothing about. I can't speak for other wine producing areas but I can tell you that they local wine business has developed here over the last 40 years. There were a couple crappy wineries here for years and they made wine mostly from crappy grapes. A couple vitners started working with varietal grapes and the business has boomed. They are now more than 70 wineries in the Niagara Peninsula. As I have pointed out, when my wife and I go wine shopping we usually don't have to pay for the samples. They get comped when we buy the wine. We have a friend who is into wine in a big way. He is actually in the wine business. When we go on tastings with him we get the VIP treatment. Not only do we not have to pay for the samples, we get to sample the really good stuff. If you are concerned about the business model for the wineries you should appreciate that they have recognized that they are recreational wine samplers as a market. Instead of tolerating them mooching free wine they have found a way to profit from them. |
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On 2015-04-14 4:28 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> For normal drinking, yes, for a little sweet dessert at the end of the > nigh, ice wine is good. > I would never open a bottle of ice wine as a drinking wine. Ice wine is not a wine to go with dessert. It is dessert. |
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On 2015-04-14 4:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> That's fine if you make "2 buck chuck". But if your wine is of >> decent to high quality, well known to be such and with a >> commensurate highish price, then you can't give it away to all and >> sundry. Charging helps separate the wheat from the chaff, so to >> speak. Graham >> >> -- > > Sounds like you gots it bass-ackwards. One shouldn't expect to sample > el-cheapo whine i.e., the price does the talking, not the wine. > If you really know about business you should know that you don't give away a large portion of your best and most expensive product to people who have no intention of buying it. The samples of the good wine are reserved for those who are likely to buy it. When someone comes into a car dealership looking for an inexpensive commuter car the salesman does not send then out to test drive a Ferrari. |
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On 2015-04-14 5:20 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 4/14/2015 11:33 AM, graham wrote: >> On 14/04/2015 9:10 AM, notbob wrote: >>> On 2015-04-14, > wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Look for "old vine" zins. Zin vines are not uprooted and replanted >>> every 7-10 yrs. Some CA zins are 100 yrs old. Plus, zin has a very >>> high sugar content, >> >> Only in hotter climates surely. >> >> so alcohol content is high. I never buy a zin >>> with less than 14.5%abv. >> >> Wines like that are too "hot". I try to buy wines with less than 14% >> alcohol. >> >> >>> >>> I've also had a local pinot noir that rocked my boat. So robust, it >>> was "chewy" (real wine tasting term). ;) >>> >> The best Californian PNs I've had are those of Walter Hansel from >> Russian River. >> They are very Burgundian and underpriced for their quality. >> Graham > > The Zinfandel grape is also called Primitivo and to my taste the wine is > certainly "primitive". I can drink it but I can understand my wife's > distaste for it. > I have the same problem with Chardonnay. I tend to like Chadonnay, oaked or not. My wife is a member of the AMC club.... anything but Chardonnay. I seriously like it, and she seriously dislikes it. |
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On 14/04/2015 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:06:08 AM UTC-10, graham wrote: >> On 14/04/2015 1:49 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 3:08:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> On 2015-04-14 1:10 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> >>>>>> It is not just the half ounce of wine, it is also the time and the >>>>>> glassware that has to be washed, maybe some nibbles on the counter >>>>>> too. Fifteen years ago, hardly anyone charge, but there are more >>>>>> leeches around now. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My guess is that some companies consider all that to be the cost of >>>>> doing business. >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes they do. The wineries did it for a long time. If you go to a >>>> flooring store you can see small samples of tile or rug. It may be >>>> difficult for some people to imagine what it will look like covering an >>>> entire floor, but they simply cannot afford the time and space to have >>>> entire rooms done in the colours and styles you are considering. When >>>> it got to the point where people were coming around just to taste the >>>> wines and the wineries realized that they were just free wine bars for >>>> mooches they started charging. I don't do as much wine tasting as I used >>>> to but, other than ice wine, I have not paid for samples in years. I go >>>> out looking for certain types of wines, find the wines I like and buy a >>>> anywhere from 6 bottles to 2 cases and have not been charged for the >>>> samples. >>> >>> I don't know a thing about selling wine but my guess is that one of the >> most important task would be to get people to taste the product. Charging >> for a taste seems counterproductive. >>> >> That's fine if you make "2 buck chuck". But if your wine is of decent to >> high quality, well known to be such and with a commensurate highish >> price, then you can't give it away to all and sundry. >> Charging helps separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. >> Graham >> >> -- > > Sounds like you gots it bass-ackwards. One shouldn't expect to sample el-cheapo whine i.e., the price does the talking, not the wine. > Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! Graham -- |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:37:39 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote: > Actually, my terminology is always 100 percent correct. I'm not talking about special events put on by the winery or groups of damned tourists bussed in. I'm talking about a guy dropping in that's interested in getting info on a product. The reality is if you're going to sell some products, especially new ones, it has to be made real in the buyer's mind and not remain just words bouncing around. My guess is that the is very true with wine - it's best to let the wine do the talking. BevMo and serious wine shops have wine tastings every weekend. -- sf |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:45:51 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote: > On 2015-04-14 10:54 AM, graham wrote: > > >> Personally, I prefer some of the late harvest wines. It is sweet but > >> not cloying. Don't get me wrong about ice wine. It's great stuff. They > >> tend to have a lot character and a series of tastes and sensations. It's > >> just that a little goes a long way. It's not like a liquor where you > >> can put the top back on and it will be good for years. It's a very > >> expensive product that won't keep more than a few days after opening. > > > > Chill it well and drink it with freshly cooked foie gras. > > Way too sweet for a first course wine > Exactly. It's a dessert wine. Pair it with cheese after dinner, but it can accompany a sweeter dessert. http://www.bonappetit.com/drinks/article/dessert-wines -- sf |
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On 4/14/2015 1:15 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-04-14 3:49 PM, dsi1 wrote: > >>> do as much wine tasting as I used to but, other than ice wine, I >>> have not paid for samples in years. I go out looking for certain >>> types of wines, find the wines I like and buy a anywhere from 6 >>> bottles to 2 cases and have not been charged for the samples. >> >> I don't know a thing about selling wine but my guess is that one of >> the most important task would be to get people to taste the product. >> Charging for a taste seems counterproductive. OTOH, I suppose a small >> number of cars are sold without a test drive. :-) >> > > People are used to buying wine on spec. Some of them are expensive and > there are a lot of people who really can't justify spending a lot of > money on a bottle of wine they know nothing about. > > I can't speak for other wine producing areas but I can tell you that > they local wine business has developed here over the last 40 years. > There were a couple crappy wineries here for years and they made wine > mostly from crappy grapes. A couple vitners started working with > varietal grapes and the business has boomed. They are now more than 70 > wineries in the Niagara Peninsula. > > As I have pointed out, when my wife and I go wine shopping we usually > don't have to pay for the samples. They get comped when we buy the wine. > We have a friend who is into wine in a big way. He is actually in the > wine business. When we go on tastings with him we get the VIP treatment. > Not only do we not have to pay for the samples, we get to sample the > really good stuff. > > > If you are concerned about the business model for the wineries you > should appreciate that they have recognized that they are recreational > wine samplers as a market. Instead of tolerating them mooching free wine > they have found a way to profit from them. > Well, you're the expert so I'll defer to your knowledge. I'm not so interested in the marketing of wine. I don't even drink alcohol. |
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On 4/14/2015 2:41 PM, graham wrote:
> On 14/04/2015 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:06:08 AM UTC-10, graham wrote: >>> On 14/04/2015 1:49 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 3:08:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>> On 2015-04-14 1:10 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> It is not just the half ounce of wine, it is also the time and the >>>>>>> glassware that has to be washed, maybe some nibbles on the counter >>>>>>> too. Fifteen years ago, hardly anyone charge, but there are more >>>>>>> leeches around now. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My guess is that some companies consider all that to be the cost of >>>>>> doing business. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes they do. The wineries did it for a long time. If you go to a >>>>> flooring store you can see small samples of tile or rug. It may be >>>>> difficult for some people to imagine what it will look like >>>>> covering an >>>>> entire floor, but they simply cannot afford the time and space to have >>>>> entire rooms done in the colours and styles you are considering. When >>>>> it got to the point where people were coming around just to taste the >>>>> wines and the wineries realized that they were just free wine bars for >>>>> mooches they started charging. I don't do as much wine tasting as I >>>>> used >>>>> to but, other than ice wine, I have not paid for samples in years. >>>>> I go >>>>> out looking for certain types of wines, find the wines I like and >>>>> buy a >>>>> anywhere from 6 bottles to 2 cases and have not been charged for the >>>>> samples. >>>> >>>> I don't know a thing about selling wine but my guess is that one of the >>> most important task would be to get people to taste the product. >>> Charging >>> for a taste seems counterproductive. >>>> >>> That's fine if you make "2 buck chuck". But if your wine is of decent to >>> high quality, well known to be such and with a commensurate highish >>> price, then you can't give it away to all and sundry. >>> Charging helps separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. >>> Graham >>> >>> -- >> >> Sounds like you gots it bass-ackwards. One shouldn't expect to sample >> el-cheapo whine i.e., the price does the talking, not the wine. >> > Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! > Graham > I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I gonna go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! |
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On 14/04/2015 7:02 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:45:51 -0400, Dave Smith > > wrote: > >> On 2015-04-14 10:54 AM, graham wrote: >> >>>> Personally, I prefer some of the late harvest wines. It is sweet but >>>> not cloying. Don't get me wrong about ice wine. It's great stuff. They >>>> tend to have a lot character and a series of tastes and sensations. It's >>>> just that a little goes a long way. It's not like a liquor where you >>>> can put the top back on and it will be good for years. It's a very >>>> expensive product that won't keep more than a few days after opening. >>> >>> Chill it well and drink it with freshly cooked foie gras. >> >> Way too sweet for a first course wine >> > Exactly. It's a dessert wine. Pair it with cheese after dinner, but > it can accompany a sweeter dessert. And also foie gras as a first course! Jesus! You haven't lived!! > -- |
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On 2015-04-14 21:51, graham wrote:
> On 14/04/2015 7:02 PM, sf wrote: >> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:45:51 -0400, Dave Smith >> > wrote: >> >>> On 2015-04-14 10:54 AM, graham wrote: >>> >>>>> Personally, I prefer some of the late harvest wines. It is sweet but >>>>> not cloying. Don't get me wrong about ice wine. It's great stuff. >>>>> They >>>>> tend to have a lot character and a series of tastes and sensations. >>>>> It's >>>>> just that a little goes a long way. It's not like a liquor where you >>>>> can put the top back on and it will be good for years. It's a very >>>>> expensive product that won't keep more than a few days after opening. >>>> >>>> Chill it well and drink it with freshly cooked foie gras. >>> >>> Way too sweet for a first course wine >>> >> Exactly. It's a dessert wine. Pair it with cheese after dinner, but >> it can accompany a sweeter dessert. > > And also foie gras as a first course! > Jesus! You haven't lived!! And Jesus, you aren't paying attention. We were talking about icewine. You were talking Sauterne. |
Wine tasting, no alcohol
On 14/04/2015 7:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-04-14 21:51, graham wrote: >> On 14/04/2015 7:02 PM, sf wrote: >>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:45:51 -0400, Dave Smith >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-04-14 10:54 AM, graham wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Personally, I prefer some of the late harvest wines. It is sweet but >>>>>> not cloying. Don't get me wrong about ice wine. It's great stuff. >>>>>> They >>>>>> tend to have a lot character and a series of tastes and sensations. >>>>>> It's >>>>>> just that a little goes a long way. It's not like a liquor where >>>>>> you >>>>>> can put the top back on and it will be good for years. It's a very >>>>>> expensive product that won't keep more than a few days after opening. >>>>> >>>>> Chill it well and drink it with freshly cooked foie gras. >>>> >>>> Way too sweet for a first course wine >>>> >>> Exactly. It's a dessert wine. Pair it with cheese after dinner, but >>> it can accompany a sweeter dessert. >> >> And also foie gras as a first course! >> Jesus! You haven't lived!! > > > And Jesus, you aren't paying attention. We were talking about icewine. > You were talking Sauterne. > Oh FFS! I've had both! The subject devolved into sweet wine before the pudding course. Graham -- |
Wine tasting, no alcohol
On 14/04/2015 7:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 4/14/2015 2:41 PM, graham wrote: >> On 14/04/2015 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:06:08 AM UTC-10, graham wrote: >>>> On 14/04/2015 1:49 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 3:08:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-04-14 1:10 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is not just the half ounce of wine, it is also the time and the >>>>>>>> glassware that has to be washed, maybe some nibbles on the counter >>>>>>>> too. Fifteen years ago, hardly anyone charge, but there are more >>>>>>>> leeches around now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My guess is that some companies consider all that to be the cost of >>>>>>> doing business. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes they do. The wineries did it for a long time. If you go to a >>>>>> flooring store you can see small samples of tile or rug. It may be >>>>>> difficult for some people to imagine what it will look like >>>>>> covering an >>>>>> entire floor, but they simply cannot afford the time and space to >>>>>> have >>>>>> entire rooms done in the colours and styles you are considering. >>>>>> When >>>>>> it got to the point where people were coming around just to taste the >>>>>> wines and the wineries realized that they were just free wine bars >>>>>> for >>>>>> mooches they started charging. I don't do as much wine tasting as I >>>>>> used >>>>>> to but, other than ice wine, I have not paid for samples in years. >>>>>> I go >>>>>> out looking for certain types of wines, find the wines I like and >>>>>> buy a >>>>>> anywhere from 6 bottles to 2 cases and have not been charged for the >>>>>> samples. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know a thing about selling wine but my guess is that one of >>>>> the >>>> most important task would be to get people to taste the product. >>>> Charging >>>> for a taste seems counterproductive. >>>>> >>>> That's fine if you make "2 buck chuck". But if your wine is of >>>> decent to >>>> high quality, well known to be such and with a commensurate highish >>>> price, then you can't give it away to all and sundry. >>>> Charging helps separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> Sounds like you gots it bass-ackwards. One shouldn't expect to sample >>> el-cheapo whine i.e., the price does the talking, not the wine. >>> >> Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! >> Graham >> > > I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I gonna > go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! I rest my case! Graham -- |
Wine tasting, no alcohol
On 4/14/2015 4:26 PM, graham wrote:
> On 14/04/2015 7:12 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On 4/14/2015 2:41 PM, graham wrote: >>> On 14/04/2015 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:06:08 AM UTC-10, graham wrote: >>>>> On 14/04/2015 1:49 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 3:08:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>>>> On 2015-04-14 1:10 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is not just the half ounce of wine, it is also the time and the >>>>>>>>> glassware that has to be washed, maybe some nibbles on the counter >>>>>>>>> too. Fifteen years ago, hardly anyone charge, but there are more >>>>>>>>> leeches around now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My guess is that some companies consider all that to be the cost of >>>>>>>> doing business. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes they do. The wineries did it for a long time. If you go to a >>>>>>> flooring store you can see small samples of tile or rug. It may be >>>>>>> difficult for some people to imagine what it will look like >>>>>>> covering an >>>>>>> entire floor, but they simply cannot afford the time and space to >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> entire rooms done in the colours and styles you are considering. >>>>>>> When >>>>>>> it got to the point where people were coming around just to taste >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> wines and the wineries realized that they were just free wine bars >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> mooches they started charging. I don't do as much wine tasting as I >>>>>>> used >>>>>>> to but, other than ice wine, I have not paid for samples in years. >>>>>>> I go >>>>>>> out looking for certain types of wines, find the wines I like and >>>>>>> buy a >>>>>>> anywhere from 6 bottles to 2 cases and have not been charged for the >>>>>>> samples. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know a thing about selling wine but my guess is that one of >>>>>> the >>>>> most important task would be to get people to taste the product. >>>>> Charging >>>>> for a taste seems counterproductive. >>>>>> >>>>> That's fine if you make "2 buck chuck". But if your wine is of >>>>> decent to >>>>> high quality, well known to be such and with a commensurate highish >>>>> price, then you can't give it away to all and sundry. >>>>> Charging helps separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. >>>>> Graham >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> Sounds like you gots it bass-ackwards. One shouldn't expect to sample >>>> el-cheapo whine i.e., the price does the talking, not the wine. >>>> >>> Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! >>> Graham >>> >> >> I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I gonna >> go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! > > I rest my case! > Graham > > I'm sure we can all rest easy now that you've proven beyond all reasonable doubt your superiority. Congratulations! :-) |
Wine tasting, no alcohol
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 19:51:52 -0600, graham > wrote:
> On 14/04/2015 7:02 PM, sf wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:45:51 -0400, Dave Smith > > > wrote: > > > >> On 2015-04-14 10:54 AM, graham wrote: > >> > >>>> Personally, I prefer some of the late harvest wines. It is sweet but > >>>> not cloying. Don't get me wrong about ice wine. It's great stuff. They > >>>> tend to have a lot character and a series of tastes and sensations. It's > >>>> just that a little goes a long way. It's not like a liquor where you > >>>> can put the top back on and it will be good for years. It's a very > >>>> expensive product that won't keep more than a few days after opening. > >>> > >>> Chill it well and drink it with freshly cooked foie gras. > >> > >> Way too sweet for a first course wine > >> > > Exactly. It's a dessert wine. Pair it with cheese after dinner, but > > it can accompany a sweeter dessert. > > And also foie gras as a first course! > Jesus! You haven't lived!! > > You're talking about Sauternes and we're talking about something completely different (Icewine and Late Harvest), so it sounds like you haven't gotten out much. -- sf |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 20:25:01 -0600, graham > wrote:
> On 14/04/2015 7:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote: > > On 2015-04-14 21:51, graham wrote: > >> On 14/04/2015 7:02 PM, sf wrote: > >>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:45:51 -0400, Dave Smith > >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 2015-04-14 10:54 AM, graham wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> Personally, I prefer some of the late harvest wines. It is sweet but > >>>>>> not cloying. Don't get me wrong about ice wine. It's great stuff. > >>>>>> They > >>>>>> tend to have a lot character and a series of tastes and sensations. > >>>>>> It's > >>>>>> just that a little goes a long way. It's not like a liquor where > >>>>>> you > >>>>>> can put the top back on and it will be good for years. It's a very > >>>>>> expensive product that won't keep more than a few days after opening. > >>>>> > >>>>> Chill it well and drink it with freshly cooked foie gras. > >>>> > >>>> Way too sweet for a first course wine > >>>> > >>> Exactly. It's a dessert wine. Pair it with cheese after dinner, but > >>> it can accompany a sweeter dessert. > >> > >> And also foie gras as a first course! > >> Jesus! You haven't lived!! > > > > > > And Jesus, you aren't paying attention. We were talking about icewine. > > You were talking Sauterne. > > > Oh FFS! I've had both! The subject devolved into sweet wine before the > pudding course. You're the one who did that. We're still on topic. -- sf |
Wine tasting, no alcohol
dsi1 wrote:
> > graham wrote: > > Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! > > Graham > > > > I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I gonna > go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! If anyone goes to hell over this, it will be me. My favorite 'wine cooler' is a mix of 2/3 white chablis and 1/3 Diet Coke. It all started one day when I was out of a citrus mixer so I tried Diet Coke (that's all I had) and I liked it. :-D |
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"Bruce" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:03:56 -0300, wrote: > >>On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:08:02 -0400, Gary > wrote: >> >>>dsi1 wrote: >>>> >>>> graham wrote: >>>> > Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! >>>> > Graham >>>> > >>>> >>>> I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I >>>> gonna >>>> go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! >>> >>>If anyone goes to hell over this, it will be me. My favorite >>>'wine cooler' is a mix of 2/3 white chablis and 1/3 Diet Coke. >>> >>>It all started one day when I was out of a citrus mixer so I tried >>>Diet Coke (that's all I had) and I liked it. :-D >> >>Puke! > > One (wo)man's trash is another (wo)man's treasure. I don't like any kind of coke. In fact the only soft drink I like is tonic water - even without the gin:) -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 2015-04-15 8:39 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> I don't like any kind of coke. In fact the only soft drink I like is tonic >> water - even without the gin:) > > Me neither. I haven't had it since I was a kid, when I had it with > nasi or bami. I find the whole idea of soft drinks for anyone over 12 > unusual :) Tonic's more bitter than sweet at least. > Think of it more as being sweetened enough to balance the bitterness. A lot of people seem to be under the impression that the bitterness means it is low in sugar. Tonic water is actually quite high in sugar. |
Wine tasting, no alcohol
On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 11:08:07 PM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: > > > > graham wrote: > > > Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! > > > Graham > > > > > > > I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I gonna > > go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! > > If anyone goes to hell over this, it will be me. My favorite > 'wine cooler' is a mix of 2/3 white chablis and 1/3 Diet Coke. > > It all started one day when I was out of a citrus mixer so I tried > Diet Coke (that's all I had) and I liked it. :-D What would you call a drink like that? I'm thinking "Walking Dead" and yes, you are going to hell over this. :-) |
Wine tasting, no alcohol
On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 11:55:55 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:12:28 -1000, dsi1 > > wrote: > > >On 4/14/2015 2:41 PM, graham wrote: > >> On 14/04/2015 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote: > >>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:06:08 AM UTC-10, graham wrote: > >>>> On 14/04/2015 1:49 PM, dsi1 wrote: > >>>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 3:08:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: > >>>>>> On 2015-04-14 1:10 AM, dsi1 wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It is not just the half ounce of wine, it is also the time and the > >>>>>>>> glassware that has to be washed, maybe some nibbles on the counter > >>>>>>>> too. Fifteen years ago, hardly anyone charge, but there are more > >>>>>>>> leeches around now. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My guess is that some companies consider all that to be the cost of > >>>>>>> doing business. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes they do. The wineries did it for a long time. If you go to a > >>>>>> flooring store you can see small samples of tile or rug. It may be > >>>>>> difficult for some people to imagine what it will look like > >>>>>> covering an > >>>>>> entire floor, but they simply cannot afford the time and space to have > >>>>>> entire rooms done in the colours and styles you are considering. When > >>>>>> it got to the point where people were coming around just to taste the > >>>>>> wines and the wineries realized that they were just free wine bars for > >>>>>> mooches they started charging. I don't do as much wine tasting as I > >>>>>> used > >>>>>> to but, other than ice wine, I have not paid for samples in years.. > >>>>>> I go > >>>>>> out looking for certain types of wines, find the wines I like and > >>>>>> buy a > >>>>>> anywhere from 6 bottles to 2 cases and have not been charged for the > >>>>>> samples. > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't know a thing about selling wine but my guess is that one of the > >>>> most important task would be to get people to taste the product. > >>>> Charging > >>>> for a taste seems counterproductive. > >>>>> > >>>> That's fine if you make "2 buck chuck". But if your wine is of decent to > >>>> high quality, well known to be such and with a commensurate highish > >>>> price, then you can't give it away to all and sundry. > >>>> Charging helps separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. > >>>> Graham > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>> > >>> Sounds like you gots it bass-ackwards. One shouldn't expect to sample > >>> el-cheapo whine i.e., the price does the talking, not the wine. > >>> > >> Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! > >> Graham > >> > > > >I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I gonna > >go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! > > I can't drink diet coke/pepsi whatever. That artificial sweetener can > produce a migraine within a few minutes. Chemicals can do that :) Maybe it's caused by caffeine? I like caffeine. Alcohol is bad stuff for me.. I don't know how people can drink alcohol. If you think it's disgusting how people (not me) can drink tons of diet soda a day, you outta check out some people's alcohol consumption. |
Wine tasting, no alcohol
On 2015-04-15 12:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> I can't drink diet coke/pepsi whatever. That artificial sweetener >> can produce a migraine within a few minutes. Chemicals can do that >> :) > > Maybe it's caused by caffeine? I like caffeine. Alcohol is bad stuff > for me. I don't know how people can drink alcohol. If you think it's > disgusting how people (not me) can drink tons of diet soda a day, you > outta check out some people's alcohol consumption. > Even on a cardiac diet you are allowed two drinks a day. That is two servings of alcohol, but less is you are mixing it with soft drinks. I do wonder about my neighbour's beer consumption. Wow, does he ever pack the stuff away. I went out to give him a hand one day last year when he was having trouble with is mini backhoe/front end loader. I don't doubt that he doesn't know how to use that contraption but I wonder how much the alcohol affected his ability to operate it. The job was about 200 yards back from the house and he would not want to be walking back and for to get more beer, so he filled a cooler.... filled. There were more than a dozen empties back there and there was just him. FWIW.... that was about 3 pm, and he had been to work that day. From the number of empty cases in his garage and the speed at which the stack grows, I would say he drinks a case of 24 or more each day. He never seems to be drunk...or completely sober, but if he ever gets pulled over on his way to work in the morning he will likely be blowing over the limit. Frankly, he drinks so much beer each day that I doubt he would ever be under the legal limit before he gets back into it. |
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 20:38:27 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:03:56 -0300, wrote: > >>On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:08:02 -0400, Gary > wrote: >> >>>dsi1 wrote: >>>> >>>> graham wrote: >>>> > Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! >>>> > Graham >>>> > >>>> >>>> I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I gonna >>>> go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! >>> >>>If anyone goes to hell over this, it will be me. My favorite >>>'wine cooler' is a mix of 2/3 white chablis and 1/3 Diet Coke. >>> >>>It all started one day when I was out of a citrus mixer so I tried >>>Diet Coke (that's all I had) and I liked it. :-D >> >>Puke! > >One (wo)man's trash is another (wo)man's treasure. Diet [Cherry] Coke is better with vodka. |
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:48:27 -0300, wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 20:38:27 +1000, Bruce > wrote: > >>On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:03:56 -0300, wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:08:02 -0400, Gary > wrote: >>> >>>>dsi1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> graham wrote: >>>>> > Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! >>>>> > Graham >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I gonna >>>>> go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! >>>> >>>>If anyone goes to hell over this, it will be me. My favorite >>>>'wine cooler' is a mix of 2/3 white chablis and 1/3 Diet Coke. >>>> >>>>It all started one day when I was out of a citrus mixer so I tried >>>>Diet Coke (that's all I had) and I liked it. :-D >>> >>>Puke! >> >>One (wo)man's trash is another (wo)man's treasure. > >Well I won't be competing for a share of that! Can't imagine mixing >anything with wine except soda for younger kids or sometimes on a >blistering hot day I like a couple of cubes in the red. These arguments are silly/childish... there are no rules for getting ones buzz on. I think everyone should drink whatever they like with whatever they like in whatever order they like... just drink responsibly. Actually there is no such thing as a sensible argument about imbibing... that's like arguing which sexual position/act is best/correct. I've enjoyed eggcreams made with kosher concord grape wine. |
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On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 6:10:32 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-04-15 12:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > >> I can't drink diet coke/pepsi whatever. That artificial sweetener > >> can produce a migraine within a few minutes. Chemicals can do that > >> :) > > > > Maybe it's caused by caffeine? I like caffeine. Alcohol is bad stuff > > for me. I don't know how people can drink alcohol. If you think it's > > disgusting how people (not me) can drink tons of diet soda a day, you > > outta check out some people's alcohol consumption. > > > > > Even on a cardiac diet you are allowed two drinks a day. That is two > servings of alcohol, but less is you are mixing it with soft drinks. I > do wonder about my neighbour's beer consumption. Wow, does he ever pack > the stuff away. I went out to give him a hand one day last year when he > was having trouble with is mini backhoe/front end loader. I don't doubt > that he doesn't know how to use that contraption but I wonder how much > the alcohol affected his ability to operate it. The job was about 200 > yards back from the house and he would not want to be walking back and > for to get more beer, so he filled a cooler.... filled. There were more > than a dozen empties back there and there was just him. FWIW.... that > was about 3 pm, and he had been to work that day. From the number of > empty cases in his garage and the speed at which the stack grows, I > would say he drinks a case of 24 or more each day. He never seems to be > drunk...or completely sober, but if he ever gets pulled over on his way > to work in the morning he will likely be blowing over the limit. > Frankly, he drinks so much beer each day that I doubt he would ever be > under the legal limit before he gets back into it. I guess it's better than if he was into collecting guns. I wouldn't mind booze hounds for neighbors as long as he stays on his side of the fence so you can wave "hi" to him from a distance every once in a while. :-) |
Wine tasting, no alcohol
On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:48:27 -0300, wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 20:38:27 +1000, Bruce > wrote: > >>On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:03:56 -0300, wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 05:08:02 -0400, Gary > wrote: >>> >>>>dsi1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> graham wrote: >>>>> > Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! >>>>> > Graham >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I gonna >>>>> go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! >>>> >>>>If anyone goes to hell over this, it will be me. My favorite >>>>'wine cooler' is a mix of 2/3 white chablis and 1/3 Diet Coke. >>>> >>>>It all started one day when I was out of a citrus mixer so I tried >>>>Diet Coke (that's all I had) and I liked it. :-D >>> >>>Puke! >> >>One (wo)man's trash is another (wo)man's treasure. > >Well I won't be competing for a share of that! Can't imagine mixing >anything with wine except soda for younger kids or sometimes on a >blistering hot day I like a couple of cubes in the red. Sheesh but you're rigid, you probably dis people because they use their left hand instead of their right hand like you to masturbate. |
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:48:28 -0300, wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:14:55 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote: > >> >>"Bruce" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:03:56 -0300, wrote: >>>> >>>>>It all started one day when I was out of a citrus mixer so I tried >>>>>Diet Coke (that's all I had) and I liked it. :-D >>>> >>>>Puke! >>> >>> One (wo)man's trash is another (wo)man's treasure. >> >>I don't like any kind of coke. In fact the only soft drink I like is tonic >>water - even without the gin:) > > >How about gin without the tonic ? :) Fine, if good gin with a whiff of vermouth and an olive. |
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"dsi1" > wrote in message ... > On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 11:55:55 PM UTC-10, wrote: >> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:12:28 -1000, dsi1 >> > wrote: >> >> >On 4/14/2015 2:41 PM, graham wrote: >> >> On 14/04/2015 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 10:06:08 AM UTC-10, graham wrote: >> >>>> On 14/04/2015 1:49 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 3:08:05 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >> >>>>>> On 2015-04-14 1:10 AM, dsi1 wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> It is not just the half ounce of wine, it is also the time and >> >>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> glassware that has to be washed, maybe some nibbles on the >> >>>>>>>> counter >> >>>>>>>> too. Fifteen years ago, hardly anyone charge, but there are >> >>>>>>>> more >> >>>>>>>> leeches around now. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> My guess is that some companies consider all that to be the cost >> >>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>> doing business. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Yes they do. The wineries did it for a long time. If you go to a >> >>>>>> flooring store you can see small samples of tile or rug. It may be >> >>>>>> difficult for some people to imagine what it will look like >> >>>>>> covering an >> >>>>>> entire floor, but they simply cannot afford the time and space to >> >>>>>> have >> >>>>>> entire rooms done in the colours and styles you are considering. >> >>>>>> When >> >>>>>> it got to the point where people were coming around just to taste >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> wines and the wineries realized that they were just free wine bars >> >>>>>> for >> >>>>>> mooches they started charging. I don't do as much wine tasting as >> >>>>>> I >> >>>>>> used >> >>>>>> to but, other than ice wine, I have not paid for samples in >> >>>>>> years. >> >>>>>> I go >> >>>>>> out looking for certain types of wines, find the wines I like and >> >>>>>> buy a >> >>>>>> anywhere from 6 bottles to 2 cases and have not been charged for >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> samples. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I don't know a thing about selling wine but my guess is that one of >> >>>>> the >> >>>> most important task would be to get people to taste the product. >> >>>> Charging >> >>>> for a taste seems counterproductive. >> >>>>> >> >>>> That's fine if you make "2 buck chuck". But if your wine is of >> >>>> decent to >> >>>> high quality, well known to be such and with a commensurate highish >> >>>> price, then you can't give it away to all and sundry. >> >>>> Charging helps separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. >> >>>> Graham >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>> >> >>> Sounds like you gots it bass-ackwards. One shouldn't expect to sample >> >>> el-cheapo whine i.e., the price does the talking, not the wine. >> >>> >> >> Sounds to me like you drink diet coke - exclusively! >> >> Graham >> >> >> > >> >I'm drinking the stuff as I type. Should this mean something? Am I gonna >> >go to hell? OTOH, I'll take Diet Coke over wine anytime! >> >> I can't drink diet coke/pepsi whatever. That artificial sweetener can >> produce a migraine within a few minutes. Chemicals can do that :) > > Maybe it's caused by caffeine? I like caffeine. Alcohol is bad stuff for > me. I don't know how people can drink alcohol. If you think it's > disgusting how people (not me) can drink tons of diet soda a day, you > outta check out some people's alcohol consumption. That got me thinking. I drink tonic every day but it must be 6 weeks since I had gin with it and that is the only alcohol I drink at all. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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