Bumble Bee Foods, 2 others charged after employee died in pressure cooker

An employee burned to death inside an industrial pressure cooker at the
Bumble Bee Foods plant in Santa Fe Springs in 2012.
By Matt Hamilton contact the reporter

Bumble Bee Foods and two of the tuna companys employees were charged
Monday with willfully ignoring safety rules, leading to a plant worker
burning to death inside an industrial pressure cooker in 2012,
prosecutors said.

The San Diego-based company, former safety manager Saul Florez, and
Angel Rodriguez, the director of plant operations, were each charged
with three felony counts of committing an occupational safety and health
violation that caused a death, according to the Los Angeles County
district attorneys office.

On Oct. 11, 2012, Jose Melena, 62, entered a 35-foot oven at the
companys Santa Fe Springs plant to make a repair inside the machine,
which is used to sterilize thousands of cans of tuna at a time.

Unaware that Melena was inside the oven, other plant workers loaded
several carts that altogether held about 12,000 pounds of tuna, shut the
door and turned on the oven, prosecutors said.

Temperatures peaked at around 270 degrees, and Melena cooked to death,
prosecutors said. His charred remains were found by another plant worker.

In a statement, the company said it disagrees with and is "disappointed
by the charges" filed by Los Angeles prosecutors. The company described
Melena's death as a "tragic accident" and noted that an investigation by
the California Division of Occupational Safety & Health "found no
willful violations related to the accident.

Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey said in a statement that the
charges against Bumble Bee Foods are part of her goal of enhancing the
prosecution of workplace safety issues.

"We take worker safety very seriously," Lacey said. €œAlthough the Bumble
Bee investigation began in 2012, this case represents our commitment to
protecting workers from illegal -- and, potentially, deadly --
on-the-job practices."

Rodriguez, 63, remains employed by the company. It's unclear when
Florez, 42, stopped working for Bumble Bee. Rodriguez, Florez and the
company are scheduled to be arraigned May 27.

If convicted, Rodriguez and Florez each face up to three years in prison
and a $250,000 fine. The company could be fined up to $1.5 million.

On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 8:35:34 PM UTC-7, Travis McGee wrote:
> Bumble Bee Foods, 2 others charged after employee died in pressure cooker
>
> An employee burned to death inside an industrial pressure cooker at the
> Bumble Bee Foods plant in Santa Fe Springs in 2012.
> By Matt Hamilton contact the reporter
>
> Bumble Bee Foods and two of the tuna company's employees were charged
> Monday with willfully ignoring safety rules, leading to a plant worker
> burning to death inside an industrial pressure cooker in 2012,
> prosecutors said.
>
> The San Diego-based company, former safety manager Saul Florez, and
> Angel Rodriguez, the director of plant operations, were each charged
> with three felony counts of committing an occupational safety and health
> violation that caused a death, according to the Los Angeles County
> district attorney's office.
>
> On Oct. 11, 2012, Jose Melena, 62, entered a 35-foot oven at the
> company's Santa Fe Springs plant to make a repair inside the machine,
> which is used to sterilize thousands of cans of tuna at a time.
>
> Unaware that Melena was inside the oven, other plant workers loaded
> several carts that altogether held about 12,000 pounds of tuna, shut the
> door and turned on the oven, prosecutors said.
>
> Temperatures peaked at around 270 degrees, and Melena cooked to death,
> prosecutors said. His charred remains were found by another plant worker.
>
> In a statement, the company said it disagrees with and is "disappointed
> by the charges" filed by Los Angeles prosecutors. The company described
> Melena's death as a "tragic accident" and noted that an investigation by
> the California Division of Occupational Safety & Health "found no
> willful violations related to the accident.
>

There should have been one key to turn the heat on to that pressure
cooker, and it should have been in the repair guy's pocket (Lock-out).
A metal sign hung on the switch should have said: REPAIRMAN WORKING
INSIDE. Further, there should be a last minute check for repair personnel
before turning on the juice.

But it occurs to me the repair guy committed suicide, to get his family
the insurance money.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 20:46:00 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 8:35:34 PM UTC-7, Travis McGee wrote:
>> Bumble Bee Foods, 2 others charged after employee died in pressure cooker
>>
>> An employee burned to death inside an industrial pressure cooker at the
>> Bumble Bee Foods plant in Santa Fe Springs in 2012.
>> By Matt Hamilton contact the reporter
>>
>> Bumble Bee Foods and two of the tuna company's employees were charged
>> Monday with willfully ignoring safety rules, leading to a plant worker
>> burning to death inside an industrial pressure cooker in 2012,
>> prosecutors said.
>>
>> The San Diego-based company, former safety manager Saul Florez, and
>> Angel Rodriguez, the director of plant operations, were each charged
>> with three felony counts of committing an occupational safety and health
>> violation that caused a death, according to the Los Angeles County
>> district attorney's office.
>>
>> On Oct. 11, 2012, Jose Melena, 62, entered a 35-foot oven at the
>> company's Santa Fe Springs plant to make a repair inside the machine,
>> which is used to sterilize thousands of cans of tuna at a time.
>>
>> Unaware that Melena was inside the oven, other plant workers loaded
>> several carts that altogether held about 12,000 pounds of tuna, shut the
>> door and turned on the oven, prosecutors said.
>>
>> Temperatures peaked at around 270 degrees, and Melena cooked to death,
>> prosecutors said. His charred remains were found by another plant worker.
>>
>> In a statement, the company said it disagrees with and is "disappointed
>> by the charges" filed by Los Angeles prosecutors. The company described
>> Melena's death as a "tragic accident" and noted that an investigation by
>> the California Division of Occupational Safety & Health "found no
>> willful violations related to the accident.
>>
>
>There should have been one key to turn the heat on to that pressure
>cooker, and it should have been in the repair guy's pocket (Lock-out).
>A metal sign hung on the switch should have said: REPAIRMAN WORKING
>INSIDE. Further, there should be a last minute check for repair personnel
>before turning on the juice.
>
>But it occurs to me the repair guy committed suicide, to get his family
>the insurance money.

This group still manages to astound me.

On 4/28/2015 12:04 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 23:35:29 -0400, Travis McGee wrote:
>
>> Bumble Bee Foods, 2 others charged after employee died in pressure cooker
>>
>> An employee burned to death inside an industrial pressure cooker at the
>> Bumble Bee Foods plant in Santa Fe Springs in 2012.
>> By Matt Hamilton contact the reporter
>>
>> Bumble Bee Foods and two of the tuna company¢s employees were charged
>> Monday with willfully ignoring safety rules, leading to a plant worker
>> burning to death inside an industrial pressure cooker in 2012,
>> prosecutors said.
>
> That was almost 3 years ago that Mark posted that?
>
> What I don't understand is that the crispy worker had to realize they
> were filling up the oven with racks of tuna to be processed. So it
> was probably a good time to GTF out of there.
>
> -sw
>

I think the important point here is that Bumble Bee doesn't want workers
with good taste; they want workers who taste good.

On 4/28/2015 12:33 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 00:19:49 -0400, Travis McGee wrote:
>
>> I think the important point here is that Bumble Bee doesn't want workers
>> with good taste; they want workers who taste good.
>
> You were just waiting to use that when you made the OP.
>
> That was Starkist, BTW.
>
> -sw
>

Yes, that's true, but I couldn't help myself.

On 4/27/2015 10:04 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> That was almost 3 years ago that Mark posted that?


Do you need a refresher on your madness?

On 4/27/2015 10:25 PM, The Other Guy wrote:
>> I think the important point here is that Bumble Bee doesn't want workers
>> >with good taste; they want workers who taste good.
> Cook them right, and they taste just like tuna.


The KCQ method?

On 4/27/2015 10:33 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> You were just waiting to use that when you made the OP.


Shut up, dwarf.

On 4/27/2015 10:38 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I don't
> think your average 62 year-old Mexican worker would be tender enough,
> and certainly not pullable at that stage.
>
> -sw


Nice cannibalism, dwarf.

Are you pretty well-marbled?

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 20:46:00 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 8:35:34 PM UTC-7, Travis McGee wrote:
>> Bumble Bee Foods, 2 others charged after employee died in pressure cooker
>>
>> An employee burned to death inside an industrial pressure cooker at the
>> Bumble Bee Foods plant in Santa Fe Springs in 2012.
>> By Matt Hamilton contact the reporter
>>
>> Bumble Bee Foods and two of the tuna company's employees were charged
>> Monday with willfully ignoring safety rules, leading to a plant worker
>> burning to death inside an industrial pressure cooker in 2012,
>> prosecutors said.
>>
>> The San Diego-based company, former safety manager Saul Florez, and
>> Angel Rodriguez, the director of plant operations, were each charged
>> with three felony counts of committing an occupational safety and health
>> violation that caused a death, according to the Los Angeles County
>> district attorney's office.
>>
>> On Oct. 11, 2012, Jose Melena, 62, entered a 35-foot oven at the
>> company's Santa Fe Springs plant to make a repair inside the machine,
>> which is used to sterilize thousands of cans of tuna at a time.
>>
>> Unaware that Melena was inside the oven, other plant workers loaded
>> several carts that altogether held about 12,000 pounds of tuna, shut the
>> door and turned on the oven, prosecutors said.
>>
>> Temperatures peaked at around 270 degrees, and Melena cooked to death,
>> prosecutors said. His charred remains were found by another plant worker.
>>
>> In a statement, the company said it disagrees with and is "disappointed
>> by the charges" filed by Los Angeles prosecutors. The company described
>> Melena's death as a "tragic accident" and noted that an investigation by
>> the California Division of Occupational Safety & Health "found no
>> willful violations related to the accident.
>>
>
>There should have been one key to turn the heat on to that pressure
>cooker, and it should have been in the repair guy's pocket (Lock-out).
>A metal sign hung on the switch should have said: REPAIRMAN WORKING
>INSIDE. Further, there should be a last minute check for repair personnel
>before turning on the juice.

Exactly! I've worked at more large manufacturing plants than I can
remember. Whenever work was being done on machinery it was the sole
responsibility of the mechanic doing the work to lock out power and
use lock chocks to secure moving parts that could move by gravity
(same as supposed to be done with a hydraulic auto garage lift, but no
one does, morons). That poor guy killed himself, no one else is
responsible. It happened at the O'Keefe & Meritt plant in CA when I
was working there, a guy was doing maintenence on a 500 ton deep draw
press used to form gas tank cylinders... it was night shift, in the
morning when the platen was exposed there was a baseball cap, all that
was left of him... he had the power locked out but didn't secure the
ram, it dropped on him.
>
>But it occurs to me the repair guy committed suicide, to get his family
>the insurance money.

I doubt that part, the poor putz was remiss... just like the AHole
DIYers who jack up their car to work underneath and don't use jack
stands. When I need to get under my tractor I have a pair of quality
6 ton jack stands, but I still don't trust them, I also place a couple
sections of railroad tie... only takes an extra 30 seconds.
Automaobiles come with a crappy lug wrench and a crappy jack, but no
jack stand... anyone who intends to change their own flat tire needs
to obtain at least one jack stand, and best to buy a decent lug wrench
and a decent jack, and toss those that came with the vehicle in the
trash, but first hack saw them so no one else can use that crap. It's
nutz, people drive a $50,000 vehicle and trust their life to a $5 Toys
R Us jack.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 23:38:29 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:25:09 -0700, The Other Guy wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 00:19:49 -0400, Travis McGee > wrote:
>>
>>>I think the important point here is that Bumble Bee doesn't want workers
>>>with good taste; they want workers who taste good.
>>
>> Cook them right, and they taste just like tuna.
>
>IIRC, a retort cooker gets up to about 265F at 15psi for less than an
>hour, plus heating and cooling time - maybe 3 hours total. I don't
>think your average 62 year-old Mexican worker would be tender enough,
>and certainly not pullable at that stage.
>
>-sw
Yeah, but... a Mexican would render to just a puddle of grease.

On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 5:35:34 PM UTC-10, Travis McGee wrote:
> Bumble Bee Foods, 2 others charged after employee died in pressure cooker
>
> An employee burned to death inside an industrial pressure cooker at the
> Bumble Bee Foods plant in Santa Fe Springs in 2012.
> By Matt Hamilton contact the reporter
>
> Bumble Bee Foods and two of the tuna company's employees were charged
> Monday with willfully ignoring safety rules, leading to a plant worker
> burning to death inside an industrial pressure cooker in 2012,
> prosecutors said.
>
> The San Diego-based company, former safety manager Saul Florez, and
> Angel Rodriguez, the director of plant operations, were each charged
> with three felony counts of committing an occupational safety and health
> violation that caused a death, according to the Los Angeles County
> district attorney's office.
>
> On Oct. 11, 2012, Jose Melena, 62, entered a 35-foot oven at the
> company's Santa Fe Springs plant to make a repair inside the machine,
> which is used to sterilize thousands of cans of tuna at a time.
>
> Unaware that Melena was inside the oven, other plant workers loaded
> several carts that altogether held about 12,000 pounds of tuna, shut the
> door and turned on the oven, prosecutors said.
>
> Temperatures peaked at around 270 degrees, and Melena cooked to death,
> prosecutors said. His charred remains were found by another plant worker.
>
> In a statement, the company said it disagrees with and is "disappointed
> by the charges" filed by Los Angeles prosecutors. The company described
> Melena's death as a "tragic accident" and noted that an investigation by
> the California Division of Occupational Safety & Health "found no
> willful violations related to the accident.
>
> Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey said in a statement that the
> charges against Bumble Bee Foods are part of her goal of enhancing the
> prosecution of workplace safety issues.
>
> "We take worker safety very seriously," Lacey said. "Although the Bumble
> Bee investigation began in 2012, this case represents our commitment to
> protecting workers from illegal -- and, potentially, deadly --
> on-the-job practices."
>
> Rodriguez, 63, remains employed by the company. It's unclear when
> Florez, 42, stopped working for Bumble Bee. Rodriguez, Florez and the
> company are scheduled to be arraigned May 27.
>
> If convicted, Rodriguez and Florez each face up to three years in prison
> and a $250,000 fine. The company could be fined up to $1.5 million.

Pressure cookers are safe, people just think they're dangerous. The working pressure is less than half that of a passenger car tire. OTOH, the ones that you can walk into are a whole 'nother story. OTOH, I could have a lot of fun with something like that.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 23:35:29 -0400, Travis McGee wrote:
> > Bumble Bee Foods and two of the tuna company¢s employees were charged
> > Monday with willfully ignoring safety rules, leading to a plant worker
> > burning to death inside an industrial pressure cooker in 2012,
> > prosecutors said.
>
> That was almost 3 years ago that Mark posted that?
>
> What I don't understand is that the crispy worker had to realize they
> were filling up the oven with racks of tuna to be processed. So it
> was probably a good time to GTF out of there.

That kind of killed my dinner idea for tonight. Soup and tuna
sandwiches.
I'll bet you they sold off those cans of tuna anyway. Won't be buying
Bumble Bee brand for awhile.

Instead.....soup and BT sandwiches on toast. I'm cooking the bacon
right now.
BLT - lettuce = BT

On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 3:24:45 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
> Pressure cookers are safe, people just think they're dangerous. The working pressure is less than half that of a passenger car tire. OTOH, the ones that you can walk into are a whole 'nother story. OTOH, I could have a lot of fun with something like that.

A car tire is not filled with scalding liquid.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 10:51:00 AM UTC-10, Helpful person wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 3:24:45 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Pressure cookers are safe, people just think they're dangerous. The working pressure is less than half that of a passenger car tire. OTOH, the ones that you can walk into are a whole 'nother story. OTOH, I could have a lot of fun with something like that.
>
> A car tire is not filled with scalding liquid.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com

Most times, people think that the vessel is in danger of exploding. There's no chance of that happening and if used properly, it's not going to be spewing scalding liquid in your face or any part of you. Sure you could rig up a pressure cooker to explode but that would pretty nuts, right?

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 10:51:00 AM UTC-10, Helpful person wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 3:24:45 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Pressure cookers are safe, people just think they're dangerous. The
> > working pressure is less than half that of a passenger car tire. OTOH,
> > the ones that you can walk into are a whole 'nother story. OTOH, I could
> > have a lot of fun with something like that.
>
> A car tire is not filled with scalding liquid.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com

Most times, people think that the vessel is in danger of exploding. There's
no chance of that happening and if used properly, it's not going to be
spewing scalding liquid in your face or any part of you. Sure you could rig
up a pressure cooker to explode but that would pretty nuts, right?

"If used properly" is the operative here. I once read on a toy inflatable
shark "Not to be used as a life preserver." You know some idiot died doing
just that. If you open a pressure cooker before it has discharged steam you
will get a nasty burn.



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On 4/28/2015 2:08 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 10:51:00 AM UTC-10, Helpful person wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 3:24:45 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Pressure cookers are safe, people just think they're dangerous. The
>>> working pressure is less than half that of a passenger car tire. OTOH,
>>> the ones that you can walk into are a whole 'nother story. OTOH, I could
>>> have a lot of fun with something like that.
>>
>> A car tire is not filled with scalding liquid.
>>
>> http://www.richardfisher.com
>
> Most times, people think that the vessel is in danger of exploding. There's
> no chance of that happening and if used properly, it's not going to be
> spewing scalding liquid in your face or any part of you. Sure you could rig
> up a pressure cooker to explode but that would pretty nuts, right?
>
> "If used properly" is the operative here. I once read on a toy inflatable
> shark "Not to be used as a life preserver." You know some idiot died doing
> just that. If you open a pressure cooker before it has discharged steam you
> will get a nasty burn.
>
>
>
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>

I can think of any number of way to produce injurious results from a
pressure cooker. I can also think of ways for a car to fly though the
air for short periods of time. What's that got to do with real life?

On 4/28/2015 10:01 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> The processing plant needs all the support they can get.


Dive in a meat grinder, troll.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 10:51:00 AM UTC-10, Helpful person wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 3:24:45 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> > Pressure cookers are safe, people just think they're dangerous. The
>> > working pressure is less than half that of a passenger car tire. OTOH,
>> > the ones that you can walk into are a whole 'nother story. OTOH, I
>> > could have a lot of fun with something like that.
>>
>> A car tire is not filled with scalding liquid.
>>
>> http://www.richardfisher.com
>
> Most times, people think that the vessel is in danger of exploding.
> There's no chance of that happening and if used properly, it's not going
> to be spewing scalding liquid in your face or any part of you. Sure you
> could rig up a pressure cooker to explode but that would pretty nuts,
> right?

If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any problem
with mine.


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Ophelia wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message:

> > Sure you
> > could rig up a pressure cooker to explode but that would pretty nuts,
> > right?

Yeah...like the Boston Marathon thing from a few years ago.

>
> If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any problem
> with mine.

I don't have one or need one but I always worried that "what if the
pressure valve" failed. Don't say it won't...things happen. I worked
at KFC during the summer of 1971. Back then we cooked chicken in 6
large pressure cookers full of oil/lard. Those things always scared
the hell out of me.

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message:
>
>> > Sure you
>> > could rig up a pressure cooker to explode but that would pretty nuts,
>> > right?
>
> Yeah...like the Boston Marathon thing from a few years ago.
>
>>
>> If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any problem
>> with mine.
>
> I don't have one or need one but I always worried that "what if the
> pressure valve" failed. Don't say it won't...things happen. I worked
> at KFC during the summer of 1971. Back then we cooked chicken in 6
> large pressure cookers full of oil/lard. Those things always scared
> the hell out of me.

Perhaps it might be worrying in the kind of industrial cookers you are
describing, but if it happened in mine, it would just mean dinner sprayed
over the ceiling I think. I have had pressure cookers for many, many years
and my aunt before me who died over 30 years ago and neither of us had such
a problem


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On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 11:35:04 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 10:51:00 AM UTC-10, Helpful person wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 3:24:45 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Pressure cookers are safe, people just think they're dangerous. The
> >> > working pressure is less than half that of a passenger car tire. OTOH,
> >> > the ones that you can walk into are a whole 'nother story. OTOH, I
> >> > could have a lot of fun with something like that.
> >>
> >> A car tire is not filled with scalding liquid.
> >>
> >> http://www.richardfisher.com
> >
> > Most times, people think that the vessel is in danger of exploding.
> > There's no chance of that happening and if used properly, it's not going
> > to be spewing scalding liquid in your face or any part of you. Sure you
> > could rig up a pressure cooker to explode but that would pretty nuts,
> > right?
>
> If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any problem
> with mine.
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

I've use those a lot. The first few times I did, I was scared to death of them. Ha ha, that was pretty silly.

They work like magic. I haven't used one in a while. My aluminum cooker won't work with my induction cooktop. Too bad.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> Perhaps it might be worrying in the kind of industrial cookers you are
> describing, but if it happened in mine, it would just mean dinner sprayed
> over the ceiling I think.

Not necessarily. If you were nearby it could mean a serious scalding.

> I have had pressure cookers for many, many years
> and my aunt before me who died over 30 years ago and neither of us had such
> a problem

I don't know of a problem either but if that pressure valve failed and
the cooker built up enough pressure to explode... arrggh@ The
pressure valve is just a gadget and any "fail safe" thing like that
COULD fail.

Regardless, I've never needed one and I won't ever buy one. I don't
need that extra worry in my life, even if it's not so valid. :-D

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 11:35:04 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 10:51:00 AM UTC-10, Helpful person wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 3:24:45 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Pressure cookers are safe, people just think they're dangerous. The
>> >> > working pressure is less than half that of a passenger car tire.
>> >> > OTOH,
>> >> > the ones that you can walk into are a whole 'nother story. OTOH, I
>> >> > could have a lot of fun with something like that.
>> >>
>> >> A car tire is not filled with scalding liquid.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.richardfisher.com
>> >
>> > Most times, people think that the vessel is in danger of exploding.
>> > There's no chance of that happening and if used properly, it's not
>> > going
>> > to be spewing scalding liquid in your face or any part of you. Sure you
>> > could rig up a pressure cooker to explode but that would pretty nuts,
>> > right?
>>
>> If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any problem
>> with mine.
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
> I've use those a lot. The first few times I did, I was scared to death of
> them. Ha ha, that was pretty silly.
>
> They work like magic. I haven't used one in a while. My aluminum cooker
> won't work with my induction cooktop. Too bad.

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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...

>> If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any problem
>> with mine.
>
> I've use those a lot. The first few times I did, I was scared to death of
> them. Ha ha, that was pretty silly.
>
> They work like magic. I haven't used one in a while. My aluminum cooker
> won't work with my induction cooktop. Too bad.

This might work for you:

http://www.coopersofstortford.co.uk/...-prodst09262i/

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"Gary" > wrote in message ...

> Regardless, I've never needed one and I won't ever buy one. I don't
> need that extra worry in my life, even if it's not so valid. :-D

Well, it has never been a worry to me and I really like mine


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On 4/29/2015 9:09 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>> If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any problem
>>> with mine.
>>
>> I've use those a lot. The first few times I did, I was scared to death
>> of them. Ha ha, that was pretty silly.
>>
>> They work like magic. I haven't used one in a while. My aluminum
>> cooker won't work with my induction cooktop. Too bad.
>
> This might work for you:
>
> http://www.coopersofstortford.co.uk/...-prodst09262i/
>
>

I might just get an induction ready pressure cooker. OTOH, I might be
able to use an aluminum pressure cooker on top of a pan. I'm not too
keen on that idea.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/29/2015 9:09 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>> If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any
>>>> problem
>>>> with mine.
>>>
>>> I've use those a lot. The first few times I did, I was scared to death
>>> of them. Ha ha, that was pretty silly.
>>>
>>> They work like magic. I haven't used one in a while. My aluminum
>>> cooker won't work with my induction cooktop. Too bad.
>>
>> This might work for you:
>>
>> http://www.coopersofstortford.co.uk/...-prodst09262i/
>>
>>
>
> I might just get an induction ready pressure cooker. OTOH, I might be able
> to use an aluminum pressure cooker on top of a pan. I'm not too keen on
> that idea.

I haven't heard of an induction ready pressure cooker! That hob converter
will work with any other pans that are not induction friendly too.

And no, it is not expensive ... ;-)



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On 4/29/2015 9:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Regardless, I've never needed one and I won't ever buy one. I don't
>> need that extra worry in my life, even if it's not so valid. :-D
>
> Well, it has never been a worry to me and I really like mine
>
>

A lot of folks consider a pressure cooker too dangerous to use. :-)

On 4/29/2015 9:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 4/29/2015 9:09 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any
>>>>> problem
>>>>> with mine.
>>>>
>>>> I've use those a lot. The first few times I did, I was scared to death
>>>> of them. Ha ha, that was pretty silly.
>>>>
>>>> They work like magic. I haven't used one in a while. My aluminum
>>>> cooker won't work with my induction cooktop. Too bad.
>>>
>>> This might work for you:
>>>
>>> http://www.coopersofstortford.co.uk/...-prodst09262i/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I might just get an induction ready pressure cooker. OTOH, I might be
>> able to use an aluminum pressure cooker on top of a pan. I'm not too
>> keen on that idea.
>
> I haven't heard of an induction ready pressure cooker! That hob
> converter will work with any other pans that are not induction friendly
> too.

They make steel pressure cookers - occasionally. OTOH, I could just get
an electric pressure cooker. That would be cool or hot, rather!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4nOIRoe6mU

>
> And no, it is not expensive ... ;-)
>

Well let's just forget about that little glitch, shall we? Yes, I think
we can. Hee hee.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/29/2015 9:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Regardless, I've never needed one and I won't ever buy one. I don't
>>> need that extra worry in my life, even if it's not so valid. :-D
>>
>> Well, it has never been a worry to me and I really like mine
>>
>>
>
> A lot of folks consider a pressure cooker too dangerous to use. :-)

<g>

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"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/29/2015 9:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/29/2015 9:09 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>> If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> with mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've use those a lot. The first few times I did, I was scared to death
>>>>> of them. Ha ha, that was pretty silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> They work like magic. I haven't used one in a while. My aluminum
>>>>> cooker won't work with my induction cooktop. Too bad.
>>>>
>>>> This might work for you:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.coopersofstortford.co.uk/...-prodst09262i/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I might just get an induction ready pressure cooker. OTOH, I might be
>>> able to use an aluminum pressure cooker on top of a pan. I'm not too
>>> keen on that idea.
>>
>> I haven't heard of an induction ready pressure cooker! That hob
>> converter will work with any other pans that are not induction friendly
>> too.
>
> They make steel pressure cookers - occasionally. OTOH, I could just get an
> electric pressure cooker. That would be cool or hot, rather!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4nOIRoe6mU
>
>>
>> And no, it is not expensive ... ;-)
>>
>
> Well let's just forget about that little glitch, shall we? Yes, I think we
> can. Hee hee.


Okie dokie ;-) My lips shall be forever sealed!


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You can't take the lid off on most modern pressure cookers/canners if there's any pressure left inside, the lid is locked on.

In article >, says...
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > "dsi1" > wrote in message:
>
> > > Sure you
> > > could rig up a pressure cooker to explode but that would pretty nuts,
> > > right?
>
> Yeah...like the Boston Marathon thing from a few years ago.
>
> >
> > If we are talking of home pressure cookers, I have never had any problem
> > with mine.
>
> I don't have one or need one but I always worried that "what if the
> pressure valve" failed. Don't say it won't...things happen.

Mine has two separate valves where steam can escape,the pressure
regulator and the safety valve. They won't both fail.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps it might be worrying in the kind of industrial cookers you are
> > describing, but if it happened in mine, it would just mean dinner sprayed
> > over the ceiling I think.
>
> Not necessarily. If you were nearby it could mean a serious scalding.
>
> > I have had pressure cookers for many, many years
> > and my aunt before me who died over 30 years ago and neither of us had such
> > a problem
>
> I don't know of a problem either but if that pressure valve failed and
> the cooker built up enough pressure to explode... arrggh@

I'm betting you've never actually seen a pressure cooker close up,
let alone used one.

Janet UK

In article >, lid
says...
>
> On 4/29/2015 9:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Gary" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> Regardless, I've never needed one and I won't ever buy one. I don't
> >> need that extra worry in my life, even if it's not so valid. :-D
> >
> > Well, it has never been a worry to me and I really like mine
> >
> >
>
> A lot of folks consider a pressure cooker too dangerous to use. :-)

Probably the same folks who employ someone to walk ahead of their car
waving a red flag, won't fly because they know planes are heavier than
air, won't have an injection in case all their blood runs out of the
hole.

Janet UK

On 2015-04-30, Janet > wrote:

> I'm betting you've never actually seen a pressure cooker close up,
> let alone used one.

I have. Seen my mom blow a couple bobble-weight cookers when I was a
wee tyke. Later I ran a manual retort. That's canary speak for a pressure
cooker big enought for a dozen ppl to stand up, in ....and be pressure
cooked.

nb

On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 11:00:00 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> You can't take the lid off on most modern pressure cookers/canners if there's any pressure left inside, the lid is locked on.

You can't take the lid off because there's a mechanical interlock on the lid. OTOH, you probably wouldn't be able to take the lid off anyway because the pressure on the seals offer a lot of resistance to moving the lid. People that are afraid of pressure cookers haven't used one.

On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 6:35:00 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> In article >, lid
> says...
> >
> > On 4/29/2015 9:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > "Gary" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > >> Regardless, I've never needed one and I won't ever buy one. I don't
> > >> need that extra worry in my life, even if it's not so valid. :-D
> > >
> > > Well, it has never been a worry to me and I really like mine
> > >
> > >
> >
> > A lot of folks consider a pressure cooker too dangerous to use. :-)
>
> Probably the same folks who employ someone to walk ahead of their car
> waving a red flag, won't fly because they know planes are heavier than
> air, won't have an injection in case all their blood runs out of the
> hole.
>
> Janet UK

The few. The brave. The pressure cookers. :-)

The lid locking thing was designed so the many retarded people that own a pressure cooker would be safe, oops, mentallly challenged people.