Swiss chard - where are you?

It tastes a lot like spinach, or beet greens.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:56:31 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

>Swiss chard - where are you?

In the shops or in general?

IMO the main thing that gives chard it's characteristic taste is the
oxalic acid. Spinach would probably be the next most commonly
available vegetable with oxalic acid, or maybe sorrel/sheep's sorrel
(if you can find it).

On 2015-04-29 19:56, Kalmia wrote:
> Swiss chard - where are you?
>

Good question. I don't look for it.

In article >,
Kalmia > wrote:

> Swiss chard - where are you?

Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
greens'.

D.M.

On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 4:56:35 PM UTC-7, Kalmia wrote:

> Swiss chard - where are you?

One or two vendors at the farmer's market. If you like oxalic acid, try
beet greens or even some rhubarb.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:56:31 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

>Swiss chard - where are you?

In Los Angeles, it's in all the markets.

Also beet greens which are almost the same - most beets sold fresh now
come with the greens.

I was just researching this the other day, everyone says chard and
beet greens are just chock full of nutrients and also tasty, except
for that oxalic acid, which you can largely reduce by cooking but a
fair amount remains, and is not good for some people who may be
subject to kidney or gall stones, and so ... so I haven't tried them
yet, as far as I know I've never had them for a meal.

J.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> Swiss chard - where are you?

Readily available in Bothell and thereabouts. Can get all colors. Couldn't
tell you what to sub since I never needed to do that.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:59:27 -0700, Don Martinich >
wrote:

> In article >,
> Kalmia > wrote:
>
> > Swiss chard - where are you?
>
> Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
> greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
> greens'.
>
You can find beet greens in super markets? I've never seen
unattached beet greens anywhere.

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sf

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:34:58 -0700, JRStern >
wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:56:31 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> > wrote:
>
> >Swiss chard - where are you?
>
> In Los Angeles, it's in all the markets.
>
> Also beet greens which are almost the same - most beets sold fresh now
> come with the greens.

I wish growers would get smart and harvest beets sooner so they can
sell beet greens with just a hint of beet attached.

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sf

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 22:17:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Kalmia" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Swiss chard - where are you?
>
> Readily available in Bothell and thereabouts. Can get all colors. Couldn't
> tell you what to sub since I never needed to do that.

There is never an exact sub, just kinda sorta subs. Spinach would be
the logical choice.

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sf

"l not -l" wrote:
>Kalmia wrote:
>
>> Swiss chard - where are you?
>
>Readily available here (STL suburb); but, only organic, which is pricey.

Chard and beets are the same plant, of which there are many versions
of each... chard is simply a beet plant that's been botanically
manipulated to not produce the bulbous root and instead to produce
more and larger leaves. Chard is far easier to grow than beets, with
growing beets unless one uses insecticides grubs will bore into the
roots. I grow chard, it produces a bumper crop with practically no
effort... just harvest the large outer leaves every few days and it
will keep producing all summer into fall. I don't use chemicals so I
get some insect holes in chard leaves but that doesn't destroy the
vegetable the way grubs destroy beet roots. A lot of stores don't
sell chard because the leaves are delicate with a rather short shelf
life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chard

There's likely types of beets grown only for greens, turnips and turnip greens are like that.

On 2015-04-30 2:12 AM, sf wrote:

>> Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
>> greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
>> greens'.
>>
> You can find beet greens in super markets? I've never seen
> unattached beet greens anywhere.
>


I don't recall ever seeing them on their own, but they are commonly sold
in packages of mixed salad greens here. Since most of those things are
imported I am assuming they are also sold like that in the US.

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 09:11:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2015-04-30 2:12 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >> Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
> >> greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
> >> greens'.
> >>
> > You can find beet greens in super markets? I've never seen
> > unattached beet greens anywhere.
> >
>
>
> I don't recall ever seeing them on their own, but they are commonly sold
> in packages of mixed salad greens here. Since most of those things are
> imported I am assuming they are also sold like that in the US.

Yes, in mixes but never alone. Come to think of it, they aren't in
mixed salad greens here, it's mixed soup greens.

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sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:59:27 -0700, Don Martinich >
> wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Kalmia > wrote:
>>
>> > Swiss chard - where are you?
>>
>> Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
>> greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
>> greens'.
>>
> You can find beet greens in super markets? I've never seen
> unattached beet greens anywhere.

I have.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:29:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:59:27 -0700, Don Martinich >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> Kalmia > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Swiss chard - where are you?
>>>>
>>>> Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
>>>> greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
>>>> greens'.
>>>>
>>> You can find beet greens in super markets? I've never seen
>>> unattached beet greens anywhere.
>>
>>I have.
>
> And it wasn't green chard?

Nope. It was at a farm stand though, somewhere in CA. They had all kinds
of beets for sale, with or without the leaves. The leaves could also be
purchased separately.

In article >,
Bruce > wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:29:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"sf" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:59:27 -0700, Don Martinich >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> Kalmia > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Swiss chard - where are you?
> >>>
> >>> Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
> >>> greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
> >>> greens'.
> >>>
> >> You can find beet greens in super markets? I've never seen
> >> unattached beet greens anywhere.
> >
> >I have.
>
> And it wasn't green chard?

Chard has wider stems, either white or in decorator colors.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:14:48 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:34:58 -0700, JRStern >
>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:56:31 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Swiss chard - where are you?
>>
>> In Los Angeles, it's in all the markets.
>>
>> Also beet greens which are almost the same - most beets sold fresh now
>> come with the greens.
>
>I wish growers would get smart and harvest beets sooner so they can
>sell beet greens with just a hint of beet attached.

Well, I've see it the other way around, "baby beets" that look like
skinny little carrots! But I think they had no greens.

J.

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:29:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:59:27 -0700, Don Martinich >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> Kalmia > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Swiss chard - where are you?
> >>
> >> Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
> >> greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
> >> greens'.
> >>
> > You can find beet greens in super markets? I've never seen
> > unattached beet greens anywhere.
>
> I have.

Lucky you.

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sf

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 18:22:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:29:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"sf" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:59:27 -0700, Don Martinich >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article >,
> >>>> Kalmia > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Swiss chard - where are you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
> >>>> greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
> >>>> greens'.
> >>>>
> >>> You can find beet greens in super markets? I've never seen
> >>> unattached beet greens anywhere.
> >>
> >>I have.
> >
> > And it wasn't green chard?
>
> Nope. It was at a farm stand though, somewhere in CA. They had all kinds
> of beets for sale, with or without the leaves. The leaves could also be
> purchased separately.

Ah, yes. I asked about availably at the a supermarket and you talk
about something completely different. What else is new?

--

sf

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 19:09:38 -0700, JRStern >
wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:14:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:34:58 -0700, JRStern >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:56:31 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Swiss chard - where are you?
> >>
> >> In Los Angeles, it's in all the markets.
> >>
> >> Also beet greens which are almost the same - most beets sold fresh now
> >> come with the greens.
> >
> >I wish growers would get smart and harvest beets sooner so they can
> >sell beet greens with just a hint of beet attached.
>
> Well, I've see it the other way around, "baby beets" that look like
> skinny little carrots! But I think they had no greens.
>
Was that a farmer's market find or at the supermarket?

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sf

On Fri, 01 May 2015 16:25:27 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 23:01:00 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 18:22:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:29:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>"sf" > wrote in message
> >> . ..
> >> >>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:59:27 -0700, Don Martinich >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> In article >,
> >> >>>> Kalmia > wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> > Swiss chard - where are you?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
> >> >>>> greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
> >> >>>> greens'.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> You can find beet greens in super markets? I've never seen
> >> >>> unattached beet greens anywhere.
> >> >>
> >> >>I have.
> >> >
> >> > And it wasn't green chard?
> >>
> >> Nope. It was at a farm stand though, somewhere in CA. They had all kinds
> >> of beets for sale, with or without the leaves. The leaves could also be
> >> purchased separately.
> >
> >Ah, yes. I asked about availably at the a supermarket and you talk
> >about something completely different. What else is new?
>
> "I've never seen unattached beet greens anywhere."

Stay focused on the question and what "anywhere" refers to instead of
acting like another idiot.

--

sf

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 23:02:41 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 19:09:38 -0700, JRStern >
>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:14:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:34:58 -0700, JRStern >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 16:56:31 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Swiss chard - where are you?
>> >>
>> >> In Los Angeles, it's in all the markets.
>> >>
>> >> Also beet greens which are almost the same - most beets sold fresh now
>> >> come with the greens.
>> >
>> >I wish growers would get smart and harvest beets sooner so they can
>> >sell beet greens with just a hint of beet attached.
>>
>> Well, I've see it the other way around, "baby beets" that look like
>> skinny little carrots! But I think they had no greens.
>>
>Was that a farmer's market find or at the supermarket?

Supermarket. Ralphs. Red or gold.

J.

On Fri, 01 May 2015 16:25:27 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 23:01:00 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 18:22:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 13:29:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>"sf" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>> >>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:59:27 -0700, Don Martinich >
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> In article >,
>>> >>>> Kalmia > wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> > Swiss chard - where are you?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Very common here in NorCal. Chard is closely related to beets so beet
>>> >>>> greens could be close. Particularly, what is sold in markets as 'beet
>>> >>>> greens'.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> You can find beet greens in super markets? I've never seen
>>> >>> unattached beet greens anywhere.
>>> >>
>>> >>I have.
>>> >
>>> > And it wasn't green chard?
>>>
>>> Nope. It was at a farm stand though, somewhere in CA. They had all kinds
>>> of beets for sale, with or without the leaves. The leaves could also be
>>> purchased separately.
>>
>>Ah, yes. I asked about availably at the a supermarket and you talk
>>about something completely different. What else is new?
>
>"I've never seen unattached beet greens anywhere."

I see them all the time, in fact there was a huge pile at the market
this morning... many people who buy beets rip the tops off and leave
them... I ask and the produce attendant gives them to me for free,
otherwise they'd get thrown away.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 01 May 2015 13:36:59 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
>
>>On 5/1/2015 1:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 15:18:26 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 10:12:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 09:47:37 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Psst wanna borrow me brolly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, please, if it's biblical in size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is the only way!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is indeed!
>>>>
>>>> 'ow about me galoshes?
>>>
>>> So far I've been trying crocs, but that experiment has almost reached
>>> its final conclusion.
>>>
>>Lol, crocs?
>>
>>Down under....
>>
>>Priceless.
>
> Not the animal, mind you.

Ahhhh ...
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On 5/1/2015 1:40 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 01 May 2015 13:36:59 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
>
>> On 5/1/2015 1:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 15:18:26 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 10:12:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 09:47:37 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Psst wanna borrow me brolly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, please, if it's biblical in size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is the only way!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is indeed!
>>>>
>>>> 'ow about me galoshes?
>>>
>>> So far I've been trying crocs, but that experiment has almost reached
>>> its final conclusion.
>>>
>> Lol, crocs?
>>
>> Down under....
>>
>> Priceless.
>
> Not the animal, mind you.
>
Of course.

;-)

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 1 May 2015 20:44:56 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 15:18:26 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 10:12:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:c7g6kape73k7qhrk5h15fejuci9fttaq9h@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 09:47:37 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:4aa6ka9r45a3moc3tarnv15u0afhhk4r41@4a x.com...
>
>>>>>>>>> It's raining rather hard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Psst wanna borrow me brolly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, please, if it's biblical in size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is the only way!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is indeed!
>>>>
>>>>'ow about me galoshes?
>>>
>>> So far I've been trying crocs, but that experiment has almost reached
>>> its final conclusion.
>>
>>That long row of teefs could do that ....
>
> lol, we're not that far north.

Not that kind of conclusion then?

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On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 7:56:35 PM UTC-4, Kalmia wrote:
> Swiss chard - where are you?

Update: I found some! 3.99 a bunch. Not cheap but I offset the purchase with some decent BOGOs on coffee, crackers etc. Milk is down to 3.29 a gal to at my Savealot - woohoo.

The chard is for a lasagna I'm going to try - chard, baby bellas, fontina cheese are main ingreeds.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 1 May 2015 21:38:55 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 20:44:56 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 15:18:26 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:igs6kapush157ti1i6pqgh68bn5cj1ih59@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 10:12:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:c7g6kape73k7qhrk5h15fejuci9fttaq9h@4a x.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 09:47:37 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:4aa6ka9r45a3moc3tarnv15u0afhhk4r41@ 4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's raining rather hard.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Psst wanna borrow me brolly?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, please, if it's biblical in size.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is the only way!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is indeed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>'ow about me galoshes?
>>>>>
>>>>> So far I've been trying crocs, but that experiment has almost reached
>>>>> its final conclusion.
>>>>
>>>>That long row of teefs could do that ....
>>>
>>> lol, we're not that far north.
>>
>>Not that kind of conclusion then?
>
> No, that tiptoeing through puddles doesn't help when you're wearing
> crocs.

No. They wouldn't like that!

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