On Fri, 01 May 2015 08:59:05 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Fri, 1 May 2015 08:50:50 -0700, "Cheri" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 5/1/2015 2:51 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> LOL, toaster ovens do not negate central air at all, unless YOUR central
>> >> air happens to be one of those battery operated personal fans.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> >
>> > Then where does the heat go? When you run an oven, it makes heat. It has
>> > to go someplace and the AC is going to have to work to get it out. May not
>> > be noticeable, but it is there and adds to operating cost.
>>
>> Cost to run, and negate the AC, are two different things where I come from.
>> I don't notice heat in my kitchen when using my toaster oven when the AC is
>> on at all, my new wall oven is a different story. YMMV
>>
>
>You're saying your wall oven heats the room? It's the total opposite
>with mine, but it's electric not gas.

Figures fat ass would be the only imbecile who can't comprehend that
equal temperatures are equal regardless the source... both gas and
electric ovens heat the room they are in exactly/precisely equally, no
ifs, ands, or buts... both are vented into the room. If a range oven
one can turn on an exhaust fan (if there is one) but then it would
also pull out enormous volumes of cooled air in summer and heated air
in winter. Only fat ass thinks her oven offers a free ride while it
breaks all the laws of physics. Just when I begin to think no one can
make a lower IQ statement fat ass proves me wrong. Fat ass is by far
the dumbest individual on all of the net... if there is such a thing
as a negative IQ fat ass is its sole custodian because obviously she's
brain dead. Compared to fat ass a garden slug is Albert Einstein.

On Fri, 1 May 2015 12:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 3:22:49 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 1 May 2015 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 11:59:13 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 1 May 2015 08:50:50 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > On 5/1/2015 2:51 AM, Cheri wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> LOL, toaster ovens do not negate central air at all, unless YOUR central
> > > > > >> air happens to be one of those battery operated personal fans.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Cheri
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then where does the heat go? When you run an oven, it makes heat. It has
> > > > > > to go someplace and the AC is going to have to work to get it out. May not
> > > > > > be noticeable, but it is there and adds to operating cost.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cost to run, and negate the AC, are two different things where I come from.
> > > > > I don't notice heat in my kitchen when using my toaster oven when the AC is
> > > > > on at all, my new wall oven is a different story. YMMV
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You're saying your wall oven heats the room? It's the total opposite
> > > > with mine, but it's electric not gas.
> > >
> > > Is yours vented to the outdoors?
> > >
> > > The heat source doesn't matter; it's all in how it's vented.
> > >
> > Honestly, I don't think so. It has something that looks ventish in
> > front and I can see smoke/steam rising occasionally but it doesn't
> > throw much heat into the kitchen. My cooktop, OTOH, is a complete
> > waste of energy because AFAIC it heats the room every bit as much as
> > it heats the pans. I will never be enthusiastic about gas. The best
> > thing I can say about it is it heats up a cold room quickly.
>
> I'm just not picturing how the physics might work for your hypothesis.
>
> Here's mine. In the absence of exterior venting:
>
> Electric oven heats up; the heat disperses out to the room.
> Gas oven heats up; the heat disperses out to the room.
>
> I just can't see how there would be a difference based on the
> source of the heat.
>
> Still, it's your kitchen. I know that I have a freestanding
> range, and all of the heat eventually is lost to the kitchen
> (and then circulated throughout the house by the HVAC blower),
> except, of course, what's evacuated through the vent hood over
> the range.

No AC in my house and the cold air return is not in the kitchen.
>
> Which is why I stop using the oven in the summer, and switch
> to the gas grill, instead. It can function passably well
> as an oven, provided I don't try to do anything fussy in it,
> like bake a custard.
>
I can't tell you how the oven works - it's not anything I need to
think about! Believe me, I would have details if it heated up the
kitchen.

It's a self-cleaning (not continuous) double wall oven, so I assume it
has excellent insulation and that's why it doesn't heat up the kitchen
any more than it does. I do have to turn on the exhaust fan over the
cooktop if it was particularly dirty, due to the odor of crud being
burned to ash. For that matter, the oven's twin (which isn't self
cleaning) doesn't heat up the room either. That's the one I use for
pizza. It's reasonable to think ambient heat would be uncomfortably
noticeable after the oven is heated to 500° for an hour (if it was an
issue).

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On 5/1/2015 2:07 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/1/2015 12:46 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 12:03:59 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > On 4/30/2015 12:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>> >> On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 5:40:52 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I love my new toaster oven. It's digital! I was going to get a
>>>>> >>> toaster
>>>>> >>> but this was a few bucks more. It was worth it! People like to
>>>>> put >>> stuff
>>>>> >>> on top but that's just asking for trouble. I don't know why some
>>>>> >>> folks
>>>>> >>> are afraid of pressure cookers - toaster ovens are like having a
>>>>> >>> small
>>>>> >>> incendiary device on your countertop.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> OK, what did you get and what specifically do you like about it?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It's a nice looking design, I like the digital display, and digital
>>>>> > controls, it heats up fast, it came with a pizza stone, it works
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> > good with the small pizzas I've tried, it makes toast just fine, it
>>>>> > beeps
>>>>> > loudly when it's finished. Also, it was less than 40 bucks. Such a
>>>>> > deal!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The bad part would be that the housing gets pretty hot - that might
>>>>> not
>>>>> > really be a valid con because they all get hot. Digital electronics
>>>>> and
>>>>> > high heat? Probably not a good combination. OTOH, if it lasts a
>>>>> year > I'll
>>>>> > be happy.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Kenmore-slice-.../dp/B00CPSUTLU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with it
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>>
>>>> For the moment, I'm as happy as a clam. There's no telling what
>>>> dangerous thing I'm liable to do next! :-)
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>> careful...it may well involve custard...
>
> Nooooooooooo not ... custard??????????????
>

The yolk's on us ;-)

On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:48:25 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 May 2015 06:58:45 -0500, John Kuthe >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 21:55:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/30/2015 5:22 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 15:11:51 -0400, Brooklyn1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> silverbeetle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been contemplating using my countertop toaster-oven more often,
>>>>>> especially going into summer and to reduce electricity use compared
>>>>>> to using the large wall oven.
>>>>>
>>>>> In warm weather I'd much rather grill outdoors, why negate my central
>>>>> air. Toaster ovens are responsible for more house fires than all
>>>>> other kitchen appliances combined.
>>>>
>>>> Including turkey fryers, Sheldon? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>Many houses have toaster ovens. Very few have turkey fryers. They just
>>>make the news as they are more dramatic.
>>>
>>>Just as an airplane crash with four people killed makes the news yet
>>>dozens of people are killed in automobile crashes every day any you
>>>hardly hear about them. Over 30,000 were killed last year. About 90 a day.
>>
>>Yes, turkey frier fires ARE very spectacular, but also Turkey Fryers
>>are inherenently moch more dangerous than any toaaster oven. I mean,
>>what's the "hazardous element" of a toaster oven? A couple of red hot
>>solid heating elements, solidly attached to the inside of the toater
>>oven, impenatrible and stable. Wheras a turkey fryer has several
>>pounds of not nearly as hot but very hot and in a greater quantity
>>than the average human is used to dealing with. Liquid and inherently
>>messier and much more proliferatabe (not a word but I think you can
>>interpret my meaning). I AM used to dealing with a large quantity of
>>hit fat, IU usd to fry a LOT of donuts. Most people of they
>>accidentally produce a fire with throw water on it, the exact WRONG
>>thing toi do for a grease fire. I know this from my donut experience,
>>But when the average dufus throws water on their hot turkey fryer,
>>BOOM! A not violent but HUGE fireball!!
>
>Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>pinheads.

Statistically, exactly 1/2 the people are below average intelligence!!
(DUH!)

What I'm saying is that a turkey fryer is inherently vastly more
dangerous than a toaster oven.

Jphn Kuthe...

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On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:48:25 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>pinheads.

I have actually fried turkeys in a pot of hot peanut oil heated by a
propane burner. It is probably the most tricky dangerous cooking I
have ever done. You need "enough" oil in the pot to fry the turkey but
not "too much" to boil over when you submerge the turkey "cavity side
down" not to capture hot oil on the trip out of the cooking pot. My
best advice is to set up the cooking operation in a grassy area at
least 30 feet from your house. Carefully monitor the cooking
temperature with a thermometer and adjust your fire accordingly. First
two turkeys taste delicious. Change the oil after that.

William

On 5/1/2015 9:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 3:22:49 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 11:59:13 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 08:50:50 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 5/1/2015 2:51 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL, toaster ovens do not negate central air at all, unless YOUR central
>>>>>>> air happens to be one of those battery operated personal fans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then where does the heat go? When you run an oven, it makes heat. It has
>>>>>> to go someplace and the AC is going to have to work to get it out. May not
>>>>>> be noticeable, but it is there and adds to operating cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cost to run, and negate the AC, are two different things where I come from.
>>>>> I don't notice heat in my kitchen when using my toaster oven when the AC is
>>>>> on at all, my new wall oven is a different story. YMMV
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're saying your wall oven heats the room? It's the total opposite
>>>> with mine, but it's electric not gas.
>>>
>>> Is yours vented to the outdoors?
>>>
>>> The heat source doesn't matter; it's all in how it's vented.
>>>
>> Honestly, I don't think so. It has something that looks ventish in
>> front and I can see smoke/steam rising occasionally but it doesn't
>> throw much heat into the kitchen. My cooktop, OTOH, is a complete
>> waste of energy because AFAIC it heats the room every bit as much as
>> it heats the pans. I will never be enthusiastic about gas. The best
>> thing I can say about it is it heats up a cold room quickly.
>
> I'm just not picturing how the physics might work for your hypothesis.
>
> Here's mine. In the absence of exterior venting:
>
> Electric oven heats up; the heat disperses out to the room.
> Gas oven heats up; the heat disperses out to the room.
>
> I just can't see how there would be a difference based on the
> source of the heat.
>
> Still, it's your kitchen. I know that I have a freestanding
> range, and all of the heat eventually is lost to the kitchen
> (and then circulated throughout the house by the HVAC blower),
> except, of course, what's evacuated through the vent hood over
> the range.
>
> Which is why I stop using the oven in the summer, and switch
> to the gas grill, instead. It can function passably well
> as an oven, provided I don't try to do anything fussy in it,
> like bake a custard.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Gas stoves aren't very efficient in their use of fuel. The figures I've
seen run around 22%. This means about 78% of the fuel is used to heat
the room. Burning gas will also create a lot of water vapor. The heat
and the water vapor would tend to raise the relative humidity which
would give a tropical ambiance to the kitchen. The kitchen we had when I
was a kid as a hot and unpleasant place. I've never had another kitchen
like that one. My in-laws had a gas kitchen. That was the shits too.

On 5/1/2015 4:46 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:48:25 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>> than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>> pinheads.
>
> Most of the pinheads use their turkey fryers out on their wooden
> decks, balconies, or inside their garage.
>
> -sw
>
But enough about your family...

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 11:59:13 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 May 2015 08:50:50 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > On 5/1/2015 2:51 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> LOL, toaster ovens do not negate central air at all, unless YOUR
>> > >> central
>> > >> air happens to be one of those battery operated personal fans.
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheri
>> > >
>> > > Then where does the heat go? When you run an oven, it makes heat.
>> > > It has
>> > > to go someplace and the AC is going to have to work to get it out.
>> > > May not
>> > > be noticeable, but it is there and adds to operating cost.
>> >
>> > Cost to run, and negate the AC, are two different things where I come
>> > from.
>> > I don't notice heat in my kitchen when using my toaster oven when the
>> > AC is
>> > on at all, my new wall oven is a different story. YMMV
>> >
>>
>> You're saying your wall oven heats the room? It's the total opposite
>> with mine, but it's electric not gas.
>
> Is yours vented to the outdoors?
>
> The heat source doesn't matter; it's all in how it's vented.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

No, and mine is electric too.

Cheri

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 8:53:28 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" wrote in message news:bbe8170b-6de9-4fed-ae33-
>>
>> I love my new toaster oven. It's digital! I was going to get a toaster
>> but
>> this was a few bucks more. It was worth it! People like to put stuff on
>> top
>> but that's just asking for trouble. I don't know why some folks are
>> afraid
>> of pressure cookers - toaster ovens are like having a small incendiary
>> device on your countertop.
>>
>> =======
>>
>> I'm not afraid of either one and use both often.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> It's a hell of a thing, ain't it? :-)

It's a brave new world for sure. ;-)

Cheri

"W. Lohman" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/1/2015 4:46 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:48:25 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>>> than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>>> pinheads.
>>
>> Most of the pinheads use their turkey fryers out on their wooden
>> decks, balconies, or inside their garage.
>>
>> -sw
>>
> But enough about your family...

And he surely can't speak for *most,* but is probably speaking from his own
experience truth be told.

Cheri

On Fri, 01 May 2015 16:42:52 -0500, John Kuthe >
wrote:

>On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:48:25 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 May 2015 06:58:45 -0500, John Kuthe >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 21:55:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 4/30/2015 5:22 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 15:11:51 -0400, Brooklyn1
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> silverbeetle wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been contemplating using my countertop toaster-oven more often,
>>>>>>> especially going into summer and to reduce electricity use compared
>>>>>>> to using the large wall oven.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In warm weather I'd much rather grill outdoors, why negate my central
>>>>>> air. Toaster ovens are responsible for more house fires than all
>>>>>> other kitchen appliances combined.
>>>>>
>>>>> Including turkey fryers, Sheldon? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>>Yes.
>>>>
>>>>Many houses have toaster ovens. Very few have turkey fryers. They just
>>>>make the news as they are more dramatic.
>>>>
>>>>Just as an airplane crash with four people killed makes the news yet
>>>>dozens of people are killed in automobile crashes every day any you
>>>>hardly hear about them. Over 30,000 were killed last year. About 90 a day.
>>>
>>>Yes, turkey frier fires ARE very spectacular, but also Turkey Fryers
>>>are inherenently moch more dangerous than any toaaster oven. I mean,
>>>what's the "hazardous element" of a toaster oven? A couple of red hot
>>>solid heating elements, solidly attached to the inside of the toater
>>>oven, impenatrible and stable. Wheras a turkey fryer has several
>>>pounds of not nearly as hot but very hot and in a greater quantity
>>>than the average human is used to dealing with. Liquid and inherently
>>>messier and much more proliferatabe (not a word but I think you can
>>>interpret my meaning). I AM used to dealing with a large quantity of
>>>hit fat, IU usd to fry a LOT of donuts. Most people of they
>>>accidentally produce a fire with throw water on it, the exact WRONG
>>>thing toi do for a grease fire. I know this from my donut experience,
>>>But when the average dufus throws water on their hot turkey fryer,
>>>BOOM! A not violent but HUGE fireball!!
>>
>>Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>>than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>>pinheads.
>
>Statistically, exactly 1/2 the people are below average intelligence!!
>(DUH!)
>
>What I'm saying is that a turkey fryer is inherently vastly more
>dangerous than a toaster oven.

Not... only if used indoors... I doubt many use a turkey fryer
indoors... however most everyone uses a toaster oven indoors. The
main problem with toaster ovens is that people turn it on and walk
away forgetting all about it, and all of a sudden their kitchen is all
ablaze. One should never leave the kitchen when anything is cooking,
especially a toaster oven and broilers... toaster ovens are the new
broilers.... grease fires move very fast.

On Fri, 1 May 2015 17:46:21 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:48:25 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>> than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>> pinheads.
>
>Most of the pinheads use their turkey fryers out on their wooden
>decks, balconies, or inside their garage.

Takes all kinds of low IQers.

On Fri, 01 May 2015 20:34:45 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 May 2015 16:42:52 -0500, John Kuthe >
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:48:25 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 May 2015 06:58:45 -0500, John Kuthe >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 21:55:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 4/30/2015 5:22 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 15:11:51 -0400, Brooklyn1
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> silverbeetle wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been contemplating using my countertop toaster-oven more often,
>>>>>>>> especially going into summer and to reduce electricity use compared
>>>>>>>> to using the large wall oven.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In warm weather I'd much rather grill outdoors, why negate my central
>>>>>>> air. Toaster ovens are responsible for more house fires than all
>>>>>>> other kitchen appliances combined.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Including turkey fryers, Sheldon? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Many houses have toaster ovens. Very few have turkey fryers. They just
>>>>>make the news as they are more dramatic.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just as an airplane crash with four people killed makes the news yet
>>>>>dozens of people are killed in automobile crashes every day any you
>>>>>hardly hear about them. Over 30,000 were killed last year. About 90 a day.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, turkey frier fires ARE very spectacular, but also Turkey Fryers
>>>>are inherenently moch more dangerous than any toaaster oven. I mean,
>>>>what's the "hazardous element" of a toaster oven? A couple of red hot
>>>>solid heating elements, solidly attached to the inside of the toater
>>>>oven, impenatrible and stable. Wheras a turkey fryer has several
>>>>pounds of not nearly as hot but very hot and in a greater quantity
>>>>than the average human is used to dealing with. Liquid and inherently
>>>>messier and much more proliferatabe (not a word but I think you can
>>>>interpret my meaning). I AM used to dealing with a large quantity of
>>>>hit fat, IU usd to fry a LOT of donuts. Most people of they
>>>>accidentally produce a fire with throw water on it, the exact WRONG
>>>>thing toi do for a grease fire. I know this from my donut experience,
>>>>But when the average dufus throws water on their hot turkey fryer,
>>>>BOOM! A not violent but HUGE fireball!!
>>>
>>>Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>>>than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>>>pinheads.
>>
>>Statistically, exactly 1/2 the people are below average intelligence!!
>>(DUH!)
>>
>>What I'm saying is that a turkey fryer is inherently vastly more
>>dangerous than a toaster oven.
>
>Not... only if used indoors... I doubt many use a turkey fryer
>indoors... however most everyone uses a toaster oven indoors. The
>main problem with toaster ovens is that people turn it on and walk
>away forgetting all about it, and all of a sudden their kitchen is all
>ablaze. One should never leave the kitchen when anything is cooking,
>especially a toaster oven and broilers... toaster ovens are the new
>broilers.... grease fires move very fast.

Not true. I leave the kitchen when anything is cooking that is safe to
leave and I do not feel like babysitting it personally until it has
finished cooking. My best example is whewn I cook a large batch of
brown rice, which takes 45mins to an hour to cook! I'm not gonna stand
there in the kitchen babysitting a llarge soup pot covered and
simmering on a low gas flame for 45+ mins!!

John Kuthe...

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On 5/1/2015 3:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>
> Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
> than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
> pinheads.
>

Some have been used on wood decks or in garages and got knocked over.

On Fri, 01 May 2015 21:31:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 5/1/2015 3:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>>
>> Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>> than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>> pinheads.
>>
>
>Some have been used on wood decks or in garages and got knocked over.

Yep, very common occurence! And no better fuel for a house for than
hot grease soaked WOOD of the deck, most of which are attached to the
house!

John Kuthe...!


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On 5/1/2015 5:13 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/1/2015 4:46 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:48:25 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>>>> than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>>>> pinheads.
>>>
>>> Most of the pinheads use their turkey fryers out on their wooden
>>> decks, balconies, or inside their garage.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>> But enough about your family...
>
> And he surely can't speak for *most,* but is probably speaking from his
> own experience truth be told.
>
> Cheri


I've been suspicious of that deck rail of his from the get go...
;-)

I use my toaster oven much more often than my regular oven; the top does get hot,
But just like you wouldn't let a plastic whatever get close to a hot burner on the stove,
I don't let plastic anything get close to the toaster oven top. It doesn't seem
complicated to me.

N.

"W. Lohman" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/1/2015 2:07 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "W. Lohman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/1/2015 12:46 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 12:03:59 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> > On 4/30/2015 12:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> >> On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 5:40:52 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> I love my new toaster oven. It's digital! I was going to get a
>>>>>> >>> toaster
>>>>>> >>> but this was a few bucks more. It was worth it! People like to
>>>>>> put >>> stuff
>>>>>> >>> on top but that's just asking for trouble. I don't know why some
>>>>>> >>> folks
>>>>>> >>> are afraid of pressure cookers - toaster ovens are like having a
>>>>>> >>> small
>>>>>> >>> incendiary device on your countertop.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> OK, what did you get and what specifically do you like about it?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's a nice looking design, I like the digital display, and digital
>>>>>> > controls, it heats up fast, it came with a pizza stone, it works
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>> > good with the small pizzas I've tried, it makes toast just fine, it
>>>>>> > beeps
>>>>>> > loudly when it's finished. Also, it was less than 40 bucks. Such a
>>>>>> > deal!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The bad part would be that the housing gets pretty hot - that might
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> > really be a valid con because they all get hot. Digital electronics
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> > high heat? Probably not a good combination. OTOH, if it lasts a
>>>>>> year > I'll
>>>>>> > be happy.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Kenmore-slice-.../dp/B00CPSUTLU
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck with it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>>>
>>>>> For the moment, I'm as happy as a clam. There's no telling what
>>>>> dangerous thing I'm liable to do next! :-)
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>> careful...it may well involve custard...
>>
>> Nooooooooooo not ... custard??????????????
>>
>
> The yolk's on us ;-)

Eggsackerly me ole cock sparrer!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 5/1/2015 6:46 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:48:25 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>> than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>> pinheads.
>
> Most of the pinheads use their turkey fryers out on their wooden
> decks, balconies, or inside their garage.
>
> -sw
>
Those are the pinheads who have been reported in the news. I'm sure
there are plenty of people who have properly and successfully operated
turkey fryers outdoors under correct conditions. That would be on a
flat exposed surface such as a driveway or patio, clear of the building.
We simply don't hear about those people because they didn't do
something stupid.

Jill

On 5/1/2015 8:34 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> One should never leave the kitchen when anything is cooking,
> especially a toaster oven and broilers... toaster ovens are the new
> broilers.... grease fires move very fast.

Uh... not sure where you're getting the grease factor when it comes to a
toaster oven. Sure, it can be used as a broiler but how many people
actually use one that way?

Admittedly, I haven't had a toaster oven/broiler for decades. I do
think I broiled a flank steak in the one I had once, but that's a very
lean cut of beef so the "grease" was negligible.

I walk away from my regular oven and even the oven broiler all the time.
I have a portable kitchen timer. I set it, take it with me to the
room where I'm doing something else, come back and check on the food.

I don't feel the need to stay in the kitchen every minute. The only
time I do that is if I'm cooking something on the stovetop which
requires constant attention or only takes a few minutes to cook.

Jill

On 5/1/2015 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/1/2015 2:51 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>
>
>>
>> LOL, toaster ovens do not negate central air at all, unless YOUR central
>> air happens to be one of those battery operated personal fans.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Then where does the heat go? When you run an oven, it makes heat. It
> has to go someplace and the AC is going to have to work to get it out.
> May not be noticeable, but it is there and adds to operating cost.

True enough, but is it enough to worry about? If you can't afford your
AC bill due to using a toaster oven I think you have other things to
worry about. I use my oven year round. I live where it can get up to
100° in the summer. I may pay a fractional amount more to stay cool but
I'd rather do that than stand outside in the heat cooking over a hot
grill just to save a few pennies.

Jill

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 4:43:22 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:

> I can't tell you how the oven works - it's not anything I need to
> think about! Believe me, I would have details if it heated up the
> kitchen.

Ah, well, that's where we're different. I want to know from the
get-go how everything in my house works.

Of course, since we do everything ourselves except paving (concrete
or asphalt), roofing, and sheet flooring, I'm in a good position
to know.

> It's a self-cleaning (not continuous) double wall oven, so I assume it
> has excellent insulation and that's why it doesn't heat up the kitchen
> any more than it does. I do have to turn on the exhaust fan over the
> cooktop if it was particularly dirty, due to the odor of crud being
> burned to ash. For that matter, the oven's twin (which isn't self
> cleaning) doesn't heat up the room either. That's the one I use for
> pizza. It's reasonable to think ambient heat would be uncomfortably
> noticeable after the oven is heated to 500° for an hour (if it was an
> issue).

The heat has to go somewhere; that's just plain physics. If it's not
ending up in your kitchen, it's going somewhere else--finding an
easier path.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 6:44:42 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:

> Gas stoves aren't very efficient in their use of fuel. The figures I've
> seen run around 22%. This means about 78% of the fuel is used to heat
> the room. Burning gas will also create a lot of water vapor. The heat
> and the water vapor would tend to raise the relative humidity which
> would give a tropical ambiance to the kitchen. The kitchen we had when I
> was a kid as a hot and unpleasant place. I've never had another kitchen
> like that one. My in-laws had a gas kitchen. That was the shits too.

Yes, but in a temperate climate, that wasted heat is welcome. It's work
that the furnace doesn't have to do for seven months of the year, when
the outdoor humidity is below 50%.

Gas is cheaper than electricity, but probably not 78% cheaper.

Different methods for different kitchens.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 5:56:43 AM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/1/2015 8:34 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > One should never leave the kitchen when anything is cooking,
> > especially a toaster oven and broilers... toaster ovens are the new
> > broilers.... grease fires move very fast.
>
> Uh... not sure where you're getting the grease factor when it comes to a
> toaster oven.

I make nachos in mine. Tortilla chips can be used as firestarters
when camping, so they probably could start a fire in a toaster oven.

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 6:00:55 AM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/1/2015 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/1/2015 2:51 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> LOL, toaster ovens do not negate central air at all, unless YOUR central
> >> air happens to be one of those battery operated personal fans.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > Then where does the heat go? When you run an oven, it makes heat. It
> > has to go someplace and the AC is going to have to work to get it out.
> > May not be noticeable, but it is there and adds to operating cost.
>
> True enough, but is it enough to worry about? If you can't afford your
> AC bill due to using a toaster oven I think you have other things to
> worry about. I use my oven year round. I live where it can get up to
> 100° in the summer. I may pay a fractional amount more to stay cool but
> I'd rather do that than stand outside in the heat cooking over a hot
> grill just to save a few pennies.

I can't speak for Cheri, but I also pay to heat my hot tub, so if I
can save on air-conditioning, I'm happy to do so. It doesn't
very often see 100 here, but highs in the 90s are pretty common.

In any event, I don't cook all that many things in the oven to begin
with, so not cooking those things for a few months is no hardship.
It's kind of nice when fall rolls around to make that first pot roast
or whatever.

Cindy Hamilton

On 5/2/2015 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 5:56:43 AM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/1/2015 8:34 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> One should never leave the kitchen when anything is cooking,
>>> especially a toaster oven and broilers... toaster ovens are the new
>>> broilers.... grease fires move very fast.
>>
>> Uh... not sure where you're getting the grease factor when it comes to a
>> toaster oven.
>
> I make nachos in mine. Tortilla chips can be used as firestarters
> when camping, so they probably could start a fire in a toaster oven.
>
LOL Okay. I did say I haven't had a toaster oven for decades. I never
used mine for nachos. In fact, I didn't use the first one for much of
anything. It was pretty crappy even for making toast. I donated it to
Goodwill or the Salvation Army, something like that.

My mother gave me another one a few years later. Same situation. All
it did was take up counterspace in my small kitchen. I really didn't
want or need a smaller gadget that really didn't do the same job of
cooking the food.

That was years ago. I have no idea how well current toaster-ovens do in
terms of cooking. I would hope they've been *much* improved since when
I had mine.

Jill

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 7:15:57 AM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/2/2015 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 5:56:43 AM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2015 8:34 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>> One should never leave the kitchen when anything is cooking,
> >>> especially a toaster oven and broilers... toaster ovens are the new
> >>> broilers.... grease fires move very fast.
> >>
> >> Uh... not sure where you're getting the grease factor when it comes to a
> >> toaster oven.
> >
> > I make nachos in mine. Tortilla chips can be used as firestarters
> > when camping, so they probably could start a fire in a toaster oven.
> >
> LOL Okay. I did say I haven't had a toaster oven for decades. I never
> used mine for nachos. In fact, I didn't use the first one for much of
> anything. It was pretty crappy even for making toast. I donated it to
> Goodwill or the Salvation Army, something like that.
>
> My mother gave me another one a few years later. Same situation. All
> it did was take up counterspace in my small kitchen. I really didn't
> want or need a smaller gadget that really didn't do the same job of
> cooking the food.
>
> That was years ago. I have no idea how well current toaster-ovens do in
> terms of cooking. I would hope they've been *much* improved since when
> I had mine.
>
> Jill

Well, mine is about to turn 26 years old, so I don't have a clue about
current toaster-ovens, either. It's not very substantial, and is
mounted under one of my upper cabinets, so I doubt I'd want to leave
it on for an extended period. Lately, its most common use is to heat
up a multigrain roll. It's nice to have hot bread. (I keep them in
the freezer since I don't go through them quickly enough to keep
them anywhere else.)

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 01 May 2015 21:31:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 5/1/2015 3:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>>
>> Normal brained people don't use turkey fryers indoors, not anymore
>> than they use their gas grill indoors... but there are always the
>> pinheads.
>>
>
>Some have been used on wood decks or in garages and got knocked over.

Yes, pinheads... the directions that come with grills all say never
use on wood decks and keep 15' away from combustables... I think I
posted about the fellow I worked with who had his grill on a deck,
went to BS with a neighbor across the street and his house burned down
with his two kids inside. Doesn't need to get knocked over, those
things radiate tremendous heat that will heat a wooden house wall or
fence til it combusts. My co worker's house was vinyl sided, went up
like a Christmas tree.

Nancy2 wrote:
>
>I use my toaster oven much more often than my regular oven; the top does get hot,
>But just like you wouldn't let a plastic whatever get close to a hot burner on the stove,
>I don't let plastic anything get close to the toaster oven top. It doesn't seem
>complicated to me.

Regular brerad toasters nowadays are made so there is no space at th
ebottom, no legs to raise them off a laminate counter, so directions
say to place them on a trivte, but duh, where does one find a trivet
to fit a toaster... my new toaster is 16" X 8". I phoned the Oster
customer service rep and suggested their toasters come with a tray,
preferably one to match.... I was basically told "tough tiddy", find
your own, so I did, I bought a very nice commercial weight Nordic Ware
Aluminum half sheet pan from Amazon for $9, not so easy to find a
tray/pan the size of a toaster... a bit wider than I'd have liked but
this pan can be used for many things so until I find something better:
http://i57.tinypic.com/2hyf3q0.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/262qljl.jpg

On Fri, 1 May 2015 23:01:34 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> > Just remember who and what they are. Especially fat face.
> >
> >
> > sf
>
> Oh yeah, he's always good for a laugh, but never taken seriously by me. LOL
>

A laugh? Nope. I only see a nasty ass, attention seeking, excuse for
a human being who kisses ass from time to time.

--

sf

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 6:44:42 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > Gas stoves aren't very efficient in their use of fuel. The figures I've
> > seen run around 22%. This means about 78% of the fuel is used to heat
> > the room. Burning gas will also create a lot of water vapor. The heat
> > and the water vapor would tend to raise the relative humidity which
> > would give a tropical ambiance to the kitchen. The kitchen we had when I
> > was a kid as a hot and unpleasant place. I've never had another kitchen
> > like that one. My in-laws had a gas kitchen. That was the shits too.
>
> Yes, but in a temperate climate, that wasted heat is welcome. It's work
> that the furnace doesn't have to do for seven months of the year, when
> the outdoor humidity is below 50%.

My guess is that the rise in relative humidity during the cold winter months would be very welcome.

>
> Gas is cheaper than electricity, but probably not 78% cheaper.

The efficiency of electric stoves will run around 84 to 73 percent - a lot better than gas. OTOH, gas is dirt cheap and will continue to be a popular way to cut down on heating/cooking costs by cheap *******s everywhere. :-)

>
> Different methods for different kitchens.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 12:46:41 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:


> The efficiency of electric stoves will run around 84 to 73 percent - a lot better than gas. OTOH, gas is dirt cheap and will continue to be a popular way to cut down on heating/cooking costs by cheap *******s everywhere. :-)

Well, I'm not a cheap ******* by any definition. I have a gas stove
because I like cooking on gas. I've had electric stoves, and was
able to produce fine meals, but I just prefer gas.

Cindy Hamilton

On 5/2/2015 1:40 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 12:46:41 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
>
>> The efficiency of electric stoves will run around 84 to 73 percent - a lot better than gas. OTOH, gas is dirt cheap and will continue to be a popular way to cut down on heating/cooking costs by cheap *******s everywhere. :-)
>
> Well, I'm not a cheap ******* by any definition. I have a gas stove
> because I like cooking on gas. I've had electric stoves, and was
> able to produce fine meals, but I just prefer gas.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I have an electric stove because there are no gas lines run to where I
live. I'm used to it, it doesn't bother me. I don't find they are huge
hogs. My electric bills in the summer are really not much higher than
they are in the winter and I use the oven all year round.

Jill

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 7:40:39 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 12:46:41 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
>
> > The efficiency of electric stoves will run around 84 to 73 percent - a lot better than gas. OTOH, gas is dirt cheap and will continue to be a popular way to cut down on heating/cooking costs by cheap *******s everywhere. :-)
>
> Well, I'm not a cheap ******* by any definition. I have a gas stove
> because I like cooking on gas. I've had electric stoves, and was
> able to produce fine meals, but I just prefer gas.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

There's nothing wrong with being a cheap ******* and there's nothing wrong with cooking with gas.

On Sat, 2 May 2015 09:46:37 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> The efficiency of electric stoves will run around 84 to 73 percent - a lot better than gas. OTOH, gas is dirt cheap and will continue to be a popular way to cut down on heating/cooking costs by cheap *******s everywhere. :-)

That was exactly why we switched (although the cost of plumbing in a
gas like was not cheap) and it was very noticeable on our very first
PG&E bill. Even with all the inefficiency of cooking with natural
gas, it was still the less expensive way to go. So many people were
brought up with gas stoves and are so enslaved to gas that they can't
consider anything else. AFAIC, it will be a good selling point in the
future because the gas line is in and if they want to switch back to
electric, the bones will be there.

--

sf

On 5/2/2015 10:39 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 02 May 2015 09:20:21 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> A laugh? Nope. I only see a nasty ass, attention seeking, excuse for
>> a human being who kisses ass from time to time.
>
> I'll take "Irony" for $2,000, Alex.
>
> -sw
>

Your face is on the Daily Double, troll.

On Sat, 02 May 2015 14:08:31 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> I have an electric stove because there are no gas lines run to where I
> live. I'm used to it, it doesn't bother me. I don't find they are huge
> hogs. My electric bills in the summer are really not much higher than
> they are in the winter and I use the oven all year round.
>
Around here, rates are based on what is considered your main fuel.
Our furnace and water heater are gas, so gas is the less expensive
rate for us. You are all electric, so it's billed at one rate.

--

sf

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 12:46:41 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
>
>> The efficiency of electric stoves will run around 84 to 73 percent - a
>> lot better than gas. OTOH, gas is dirt cheap and will continue to be a
>> popular way to cut down on heating/cooking costs by cheap *******s
>> everywhere. :-)
>
> Well, I'm not a cheap ******* by any definition. I have a gas stove
> because I like cooking on gas. I've had electric stoves, and was
> able to produce fine meals, but I just prefer gas.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Me too. I've had both and I definitely prefer gas.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 1 May 2015 23:01:34 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> news
>> >
>> > Just remember who and what they are. Especially fat face.
>> >
>> >
>> > sf
>>
>> Oh yeah, he's always good for a laugh, but never taken seriously by me.
>> LOL
>>
>
> A laugh? Nope. I only see a nasty ass, attention seeking, excuse for
> a human being who kisses ass from time to time.
>
> --
>
> sf

There's the thing, laughing at is not the same thing as laughing with.

Cheri

On 5/2/2015 9:18 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 2 May 2015 09:46:37 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> The efficiency of electric stoves will run around 84 to 73 percent - a lot better than gas. OTOH, gas is dirt cheap and will continue to be a popular way to cut down on heating/cooking costs by cheap *******s everywhere. :-)
>
> That was exactly why we switched (although the cost of plumbing in a
> gas like was not cheap) and it was very noticeable on our very first
> PG&E bill. Even with all the inefficiency of cooking with natural
> gas, it was still the less expensive way to go. So many people were
> brought up with gas stoves and are so enslaved to gas that they can't
> consider anything else. AFAIC, it will be a good selling point in the
> future because the gas line is in and if they want to switch back to
> electric, the bones will be there.
>

I think you're right about the added value of being able to choose. I'd
go with gas if I was living in the bay area. I enjoyed living there with
our little range and little kitchen and our little nook of a dining
area. Turning on a gas range and feeling the heat on your face would be
quite welcome on a cold morning. It's not so much fun feeling that over
here though. We're more concerned with cooling than heating.