On Sun, 17 May 2015 07:32:40 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> Farmer's markets and home grown are probably the way to go. It's
> cheaper too.

They are definitely not cheaper in any farmer's market I've been at,
including roadside stands.

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sf

On Sat, 16 May 2015 16:26:29 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

> I thought that was what Co-ops were all about. Stocking farm to table
> stuff, organics, grind your own nut butters, bakeries that make hearty
> bread, incense and herbs, and all kinds of strange stuff on the
> shelves and in the coolers. That's what my Co-op has always been
> about. It is frequented by elder Flower Children and rich, young
> matrons with lots of bling. Fascinating place.

I love the bulk bins because I can buy as much or as little as I want.
The vegetables are gorgeous, but very expensive... however, the
variety of mushrooms is astounding and totally worth the expense to
have something different from time to time.


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sf

On Sat, 16 May 2015 19:30:31 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

> I just opened a can of Muir Glen Organic San Marzano Style Fire
> Roasted Whole Tomatoes. Organically grown in California. Certified
> organic by the Washington State Department of Agriculture in
> accordance with the Organic Standards of The U.S. Department of
> Agriculture. I have these tomatoes because they were something new to
> me at Costco.

I love fire roasted and buy them whenever I get the chance.... a few
days ago, I read about roasting whole canned tomatoes (torn in half) -
apparently it concentrates their flavor. Just drain the juice
(reserve for other uses), roast until they are a deep red and proceed.
This is only one of many websites and it's the basic "how to". You
can add garlic, onion and red bell pepper, depending on what you want
to do with them after they're roasted.
http://powerhungry.com/2013/03/1260/

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sf

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 5/16/2015 12:52 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> >
> > I need to work 4 more years to get to full retirement and Medicare
> > qualifying. Meanwhile, I am still fine and full of energy....as long
> > as my health is fine, I plan to officially retire at age 70 so I can
> > receive the maximum monthly SS check each month for the rest of my
> > (worthless) life.
> >
>
> If you wait until 70, the payback is about 14 years. You can also start
> collecting at FRA and invest that money or use it for fun stuff. You
> can continue to work with no penalty.
>
> No one in my family has made it out of their 70's so I'm taking the
> money now. If you have the genes to live to 90s, go for the max and
> enjoy it. No one solution for everyone..

Many in my family (both sides) go well into their 80's and 90's.
Great-grandfather died a month before age 102. My mother and dad are
up there...mom age almost 83 and dad is 6 months away from age 87.

I feel great now but, at my age, conditions could deteriorate ...you
never know. I could get real sick a year or two from now. You never
know.

Anyway....now is the time for me to research all the options while I
still have some time before making a decision. It's an important
one... it will dictate my income for the rest of my old life.

On Sun, 17 May 2015 05:26:37 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 16 May 2015 16:26:29 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>> I thought that was what Co-ops were all about. Stocking farm to table
>> stuff, organics, grind your own nut butters, bakeries that make hearty
>> bread, incense and herbs, and all kinds of strange stuff on the
>> shelves and in the coolers. That's what my Co-op has always been
>> about. It is frequented by elder Flower Children and rich, young
>> matrons with lots of bling. Fascinating place.
>
>I love the bulk bins because I can buy as much or as little as I want.
>The vegetables are gorgeous, but very expensive... however, the
>variety of mushrooms is astounding and totally worth the expense to
>have something different from time to time.

True. I like the varieties of bulk flour, nuts and seeds. The
shelves carry all kinds of goods from around the world. The cheese
selection is stupendous but so pricey. My weakness and salvation is
the bakery. They make all kinds of pastry and treats. My salvation
is that I can buy only one or two pieces and that's it. I don't have
a pan of the good stuff sitting on the kitchen counter begging to be
eaten. Of course, these treats will cost $2 a piece and up.
Janet US

On Sun, 17 May 2015 05:35:45 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 16 May 2015 19:30:31 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>> I just opened a can of Muir Glen Organic San Marzano Style Fire
>> Roasted Whole Tomatoes. Organically grown in California. Certified
>> organic by the Washington State Department of Agriculture in
>> accordance with the Organic Standards of The U.S. Department of
>> Agriculture. I have these tomatoes because they were something new to
>> me at Costco.
>
>I love fire roasted and buy them whenever I get the chance.... a few
>days ago, I read about roasting whole canned tomatoes (torn in half) -
>apparently it concentrates their flavor. Just drain the juice
>(reserve for other uses), roast until they are a deep red and proceed.
>This is only one of many websites and it's the basic "how to". You
>can add garlic, onion and red bell pepper, depending on what you want
>to do with them after they're roasted.
>http://powerhungry.com/2013/03/1260/

M-m-m-m, I want some right now! Thanks for that link, I'm going to
have to try that. Of course I've seen the same procedure for fresh
tomatoes but I would never have thought of applying it canned. Thanks
again.
Janet US

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> You think 54 is "elderly"?
>
> Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
> and an old maid. hahahahaa
>
> Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
> Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D

We can get AARP cards. And senior discounts at a few places.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/16/2015 11:36 AM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> You think 54 is "elderly"?
>>
>> Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
>> and an old maid. hahahahaa
>>
>> Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
>> Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D
>>
> Yeah, but this isn't 100 years ago. Just because AARP tries to grab you
> at age 50 doesn't mean a thing. I'll be "elderly" when I'm old enough for
> Medicare. LOL

I'm 55. I've been on it for a few years.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 5/16/2015 11:36 AM, Gary wrote:
>> > jmcquown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You think 54 is "elderly"?
>> >
>> > Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
>> > and an old maid. hahahahaa
>> >
>> > Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
>> > Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D
>> >
>> Yeah, but this isn't 100 years ago. Just because AARP tries to grab you
>> at age 50 doesn't mean a thing. I'll be "elderly" when I'm old enough
>> for Medicare. LOL
>
> I subscribed to AARP when I turned 50 just to see what they offered.
> Completely worthless to me at the time. Most discounts were restaurant
> and hotel based things. I did not resubscribe.
>
> I could actually retire (as far as SS is concerned) next month at age
> 62 but I won't. (It *IS* a bit disturbing to me that I could if I
> chose to. GDammit, I really have turned old!)
>
> I need to work 4 more years to get to full retirement and Medicare
> qualifying. Meanwhile, I am still fine and full of energy....as long
> as my health is fine, I plan to officially retire at age 70 so I can
> receive the maximum monthly SS check each month for the rest of my
> (worthless) life.

I did the AARP thing too. Mainly because my daughter's school was selling
magazines and I really didn't want any. But they did have that. So I got
it. Hated the magazine. I felt that they were talking down to us and
implying that we were stupid, especially when it came to things like
technology. Their freebie items were not things I'd ever use and their
discounts were for places I never go.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/16/2015 11:36 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> > jmcquown wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> You think 54 is "elderly"?
>>> >
>>> > Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
>>> > and an old maid. hahahahaa
>>> >
>>> > Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
>>> > Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D
>>> >
>>> Yeah, but this isn't 100 years ago. Just because AARP tries to grab you
>>> at age 50 doesn't mean a thing. I'll be "elderly" when I'm old enough
>>> for Medicare. LOL
>>
>> I subscribed to AARP when I turned 50 just to see what they offered.
>> Completely worthless to me at the time. Most discounts were restaurant
>> and hotel based things. I did not resubscribe.
>>
>> I could actually retire (as far as SS is concerned) next month at age
>> 62 but I won't. (It *IS* a bit disturbing to me that I could if I
>> chose to. GDammit, I really have turned old!)
>>
>> I need to work 4 more years to get to full retirement and Medicare
>> qualifying. Meanwhile, I am still fine and full of energy....as long
>> as my health is fine, I plan to officially retire at age 70 so I can
>> receive the maximum monthly SS check each month for the rest of my
>> (worthless) life.
>
> Actually Medicare starts at 65 so you will probably be on it before you
> retire.

Yes. My friend just recently retired. She's in her 70's. Has had Medicare
for a while now.

On Sun, 17 May 2015 14:39:06 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>I'm 55. I've been on it for a few years.

Finally, an explanation.

On Sun, 17 May 2015 10:37:17 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

> >http://powerhungry.com/2013/03/1260/
>
> M-m-m-m, I want some right now! Thanks for that link, I'm going to
> have to try that. Of course I've seen the same procedure for fresh
> tomatoes but I would never have thought of applying it canned. Thanks
> again.

Me too. Sometimes new ideas need to be served up on a silver platter,
don't they!

--

sf

On Sun, 17 May 2015 14:39:06 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 5/16/2015 11:36 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You think 54 is "elderly"?
> >>
> >> Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
> >> and an old maid. hahahahaa
> >>
> >> Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
> >> Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D
> >>
> > Yeah, but this isn't 100 years ago. Just because AARP tries to grab you
> > at age 50 doesn't mean a thing. I'll be "elderly" when I'm old enough for
> > Medicare. LOL
>
> I'm 55. I've been on it for a few years.

That's because you're on SSDI, not SSI.

--

sf

On Sat, 16 May 2015 08:53:24 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 16 May 2015 09:03:00 +1000, Jeßus
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 May 2015 08:13:13 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 15 May 2015 17:51:18 -0400, jmcquown >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 5/15/2015 4:04 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:
>> >>> Good point. Too many people assume "organic" is equivalent to "natural",
>> >>> and of course, it isn't. Being just a touch cynical, I think "organic" is
>> >>> equivalent to "We can charge more in our stores because you people are
>> >>> ignorant."
>> >>>
>> >>Agreed. Jack up the prices, the consumer doesn't know any better.
>> >>
>> >>> The only way to know what goes into your produce is to grow your own.
>> >>>
>> >>That's absolutely true. Unless you have your own garden and know what
>> >>you put into the soil, how could you know? Slapping a label on
>> >>supermarket produce doesn't prove anything. At least, not to any
>> >>pennywise shopper.
>> >
>> >Don't you have organisations that check these claims? Or can anyone
>> >say 'organic'? In the latter case, I wouldn't "buy" it either.
>
>I'm fine with organic produce. Organic farms only qualify after a
>certain number of years growing product without whatever it is they
>aren't supposed to use.
>>
>> I wouldn't entirely trust any such organisations anyway.
>> Just look at 'RSPCA approved' eggs in Aus.
>
>We have labeling problems here too.
>http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/...acked-up-to-be

They get rather prosaic with their descriptions of 'farm fresh' and
'cage free'... I singled out the RSPCA as it seems to me their
'standards' are for sale, IMO. Chicken meat production is as bad, if
not worse, especially in the U.S. It's barbaric how most chicken/eggs
are raised. Ask yourself why most supermarket chicken is so cheap.
It's TOO damned cheap, you can't ethically produce chicken meat that
cheaply.

On 2015-05-17, Jeßus > wrote:

> They get rather prosaic with their descriptions of 'farm fresh' and
> 'cage free'...

Beware of the term "natural", too.

> It's TOO damned cheap, you can't ethically produce chicken meat that
> cheaply.

Good cert organo chicken is $4lb (or much more) fer a whole bird. I
jes spent $20 on a 5 lb chicken.

nb

On 5/17/2015 5:54 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 17 May 2015 14:39:06 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/16/2015 11:36 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You think 54 is "elderly"?
>>>>
>>>> Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
>>>> and an old maid. hahahahaa
>>>>
>>>> Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
>>>> Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D
>>>>
>>> Yeah, but this isn't 100 years ago. Just because AARP tries to grab you
>>> at age 50 doesn't mean a thing. I'll be "elderly" when I'm old enough for
>>> Medicare. LOL
>>
>> I'm 55. I've been on it for a few years.
>
> That's because you're on SSDI, not SSI.
>
Yep, there's a difference.

Jill

On 5/17/2015 5:38 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> You think 54 is "elderly"?
>>
>> Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
>> and an old maid. hahahahaa
>>
>> Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
>> Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D
>
> We can get AARP cards. And senior discounts at a few places.

I am not a member of AARP nor do I have any interest in being one. I
don't get senior discounts anywhere, either.

Jill

On 5/17/2015 5:38 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


>
> We can get AARP cards. And senior discounts at a few places.

No one has ever asked for an ID of any sort when I've asked for the
senior discount. Of course, as I get older the chances of anyone
doubting me gets slimmer.

On 17 May 2015 22:54:45 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-05-17, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> They get rather prosaic with their descriptions of 'farm fresh' and
>> 'cage free'...
>
>Beware of the term "natural", too.

Yes, that's another one.

>> It's TOO damned cheap, you can't ethically produce chicken meat that
>> cheaply.
>
>Good cert organo chicken is $4lb (or much more) fer a whole bird. I
>jes spent $20 on a 5 lb chicken.

A little expensive maybe (yes, taking into account what I said earlier
about too cheap), but that's a pretty big bird (compared to what I see
on sale here at least).

Then there's the small matter of whether they are raised free range or
not... then the whole convoluted mess as to what the definition of
'free range' is, depending on the country. For the most part, what
passes as 'free range' these days is a bad joke.

It's only the economies of scale that keeps the prices for quality
chicken so high. If only more people could resist the lure of the
cheap and nasty chicken...

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/16/2015 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 15 May 2015 17:51:18 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/15/2015 4:04 AM, Alan Holbrook wrote:
>>>>> Sqwertz > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you seen the list of chemicals and other trash they use to treat
>>>>>> organic produce?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...5457587ccdfec1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2bc34ed1c&rgn=div5&view=text&node=7:3.1.1.9.32&idn o=7#sg7.3.205.g.sg0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah - give me a tablespoon of all that instead!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point. Too many people assume "organic" is equivalent to
>>>>> "natural",
>>>>> and of course, it isn't. Being just a touch cynical, I think
>>>>> "organic" is
>>>>> equivalent to "We can charge more in our stores because you people are
>>>>> ignorant."
>>>>>
>>>> Agreed. Jack up the prices, the consumer doesn't know any better.
>>>>
>>>>> The only way to know what goes into your produce is to grow your own.
>>>>>
>>>> That's absolutely true. Unless you have your own garden and know what
>>>> you put into the soil, how could you know? Slapping a label on
>>>> supermarket produce doesn't prove anything. At least, not to any
>>>> pennywise shopper.
>>>
>>> Don't you have organisations that check these claims? Or can anyone
>>> say 'organic'? In the latter case, I wouldn't "buy" it either.
>>
>> Of course we do! Once again she is just wrong.
>
> You go right on believing all that government oversight is actually
> overseeing anything. Feel free to pay the higher prices, too. Ignore the
> fact that others agree no one is getting getting anything special simply
> because a label says "organic".

Did I say government? No.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:31:36 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>news >>
>>> If the label doesn't say organic, the chance of buying stuff that's
>>> full of toxins is a lot bigger. Strange how the elderly hate
>>> everything that says "organic".
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bruce
>>
>>What? The "elderly hate everything that says "organic?" Are you elderly
>>then, and you hate it? I sure don't and I'm elderly.
>
> I was exaggerating. But many people seem to think that if you're
> interested in organic food, you must be a commie or a hippie or a new
> age tree hugger. An Archie Bunker reflex. What's more normal than
> organic food?

Some people don't understand. My mom is of an age to where she was referred
to as a hippie back in the day. And she did fit that profile on many
fronts. But she shuns organic food and sort of regards it as poison.

On 5/17/2015 11:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:31:36 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>
>>>> If the label doesn't say organic, the chance of buying stuff that's
>>>> full of toxins is a lot bigger. Strange how the elderly hate
>>>> everything that says "organic".
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> What? The "elderly hate everything that says "organic?" Are you elderly
>>> then, and you hate it? I sure don't and I'm elderly.
>>
>> I was exaggerating. But many people seem to think that if you're
>> interested in organic food, you must be a commie or a hippie or a new
>> age tree hugger. An Archie Bunker reflex. What's more normal than
>> organic food?
>
> Some people don't understand. My mom is of an age to where she was
> referred to as a hippie back in the day. And she did fit that profile
> on many fronts. But she shuns organic food and sort of regards it as
> poison.


Why?

It's clean and good.

On Sun, 17 May 2015 22:17:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:31:36 -0700, "Cheri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >>news > >>
> >>> If the label doesn't say organic, the chance of buying stuff that's
> >>> full of toxins is a lot bigger. Strange how the elderly hate
> >>> everything that says "organic".
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Bruce
> >>
> >>What? The "elderly hate everything that says "organic?" Are you elderly
> >>then, and you hate it? I sure don't and I'm elderly.
> >
> > I was exaggerating. But many people seem to think that if you're
> > interested in organic food, you must be a commie or a hippie or a new
> > age tree hugger. An Archie Bunker reflex. What's more normal than
> > organic food?
>
> Some people don't understand. My mom is of an age to where she was referred
> to as a hippie back in the day. And she did fit that profile on many
> fronts. But she shuns organic food and sort of regards it as poison.

She was a wanna be hippie back then and she's crazy today.

--

sf

On 5/17/2015 11:24 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 17 May 2015 22:17:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:31:36 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>
>>>>> If the label doesn't say organic, the chance of buying stuff that's
>>>>> full of toxins is a lot bigger. Strange how the elderly hate
>>>>> everything that says "organic".
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>> What? The "elderly hate everything that says "organic?" Are you elderly
>>>> then, and you hate it? I sure don't and I'm elderly.
>>>
>>> I was exaggerating. But many people seem to think that if you're
>>> interested in organic food, you must be a commie or a hippie or a new
>>> age tree hugger. An Archie Bunker reflex. What's more normal than
>>> organic food?
>>
>> Some people don't understand. My mom is of an age to where she was referred
>> to as a hippie back in the day. And she did fit that profile on many
>> fronts. But she shuns organic food and sort of regards it as poison.
>
> She was a wanna be hippie back then and she's crazy today.
>
Organic and natural is THE path, period.

We can and will take food back to healthy.

Done.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 May 2015 14:39:06 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 5/16/2015 11:36 AM, Gary wrote:
>> >> jmcquown wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> You think 54 is "elderly"?
>> >>
>> >> Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
>> >> and an old maid. hahahahaa
>> >>
>> >> Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
>> >> Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D
>> >>
>> > Yeah, but this isn't 100 years ago. Just because AARP tries to grab
>> > you
>> > at age 50 doesn't mean a thing. I'll be "elderly" when I'm old enough
>> > for
>> > Medicare. LOL
>>
>> I'm 55. I've been on it for a few years.
>
> That's because you're on SSDI, not SSI.

Yes. But you don't need to be elderly to get it.

On Sun, 17 May 2015 22:48:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 17 May 2015 14:39:06 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On 5/16/2015 11:36 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You think 54 is "elderly"?
> >> >>
> >> >> Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
> >> >> and an old maid. hahahahaa
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
> >> >> Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D
> >> >>
> >> > Yeah, but this isn't 100 years ago. Just because AARP tries to grab
> >> > you
> >> > at age 50 doesn't mean a thing. I'll be "elderly" when I'm old enough
> >> > for
> >> > Medicare. LOL
> >>
> >> I'm 55. I've been on it for a few years.
> >
> > That's because you're on SSDI, not SSI.
>
> Yes. But you don't need to be elderly to get it.

SSDI is not SSI, which is the topic of discussion.

You're sounding like the old immigrants who came here and didn't work
here a day in their life but got supplemental social security and sat
around claiming it was social security. NOPE. The two programs are
completely different. Children can be on SSDI, but the waiting period
to qualify for medicare disability insurance benefits for people under
age 65 is 24 months unless the disability is from end stage renal
disease or Lou Gehrig’s Disease.

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 May 2015 07:32:40 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> Farmer's markets and home grown are probably the way to go. It's
>> cheaper too.
>
> They are definitely not cheaper in any farmer's market I've been at,
> including roadside stands.

Agree. Only place I have found that is cheap is when someone is selling in
their yard. They may have only one or two kinds of things and you can't
always get over there. Last year there was a place on the way to
Woodinville that was selling but there was no place to pull over and park.
They had a very long driveway and the produce was not attended. Just
sitting out by the road on a table.

On Mon, 18 May 2015 04:44:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Last year there was a place on the way to
> Woodinville that was selling but there was no place to pull over and park.
> They had a very long driveway and the produce was not attended. Just
> sitting out by the road on a table.

That's what my grandfather and later, my mother used to do. They were
across from a county park, so all the excess went - and people were
honest. They paid for what they took and never stole the money jar.

--

sf

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 May 2015 22:17:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:31:36 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>news >>>>
>>>>> If the label doesn't say organic, the chance of buying stuff that's
>>>>> full of toxins is a lot bigger. Strange how the elderly hate
>>>>> everything that says "organic".
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>>What? The "elderly hate everything that says "organic?" Are you elderly
>>>>then, and you hate it? I sure don't and I'm elderly.
>>>
>>> I was exaggerating. But many people seem to think that if you're
>>> interested in organic food, you must be a commie or a hippie or a new
>>> age tree hugger. An Archie Bunker reflex. What's more normal than
>>> organic food?
>>
>>Some people don't understand. My mom is of an age to where she was
>>referred
>>to as a hippie back in the day. And she did fit that profile on many
>>fronts. But she shuns organic food and sort of regards it as poison.
>
> That's what I meant. The generation before us often think food isn't
> reliable unless the industry has changed it and made it safe first.

She just doesn't understand what the term means. When she says that she
won't eat it and I respond, "So you want to eat pesticides?" She just looks
at me like I am crazy. I also have witnessed many people in that age range
putting full trust in doctors and loving all medicines. They refuse to
believe that some meds can be harmful or have side effects. They're kind of
like... When we were kids, people died because we didn't have good meds and
now we do!

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 May 2015 22:48:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 17 May 2015 14:39:06 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On 5/16/2015 11:36 AM, Gary wrote:
>> >> >> jmcquown wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You think 54 is "elderly"?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
>> >> >> and an old maid. hahahahaa
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
>> >> >> Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D
>> >> >>
>> >> > Yeah, but this isn't 100 years ago. Just because AARP tries to grab
>> >> > you
>> >> > at age 50 doesn't mean a thing. I'll be "elderly" when I'm old
>> >> > enough
>> >> > for
>> >> > Medicare. LOL
>> >>
>> >> I'm 55. I've been on it for a few years.
>> >
>> > That's because you're on SSDI, not SSI.
>>
>> Yes. But you don't need to be elderly to get it.
>
> SSDI is not SSI, which is the topic of discussion.
>
> You're sounding like the old immigrants who came here and didn't work
> here a day in their life but got supplemental social security and sat
> around claiming it was social security. NOPE. The two programs are
> completely different. Children can be on SSDI, but the waiting period
> to qualify for medicare disability insurance benefits for people under
> age 65 is 24 months unless the disability is from end stage renal
> disease or Lou Gehrig's Disease.

The topic was Medicare. Pay attention.

On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:09:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 17 May 2015 22:48:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sun, 17 May 2015 14:39:06 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > On 5/16/2015 11:36 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> >> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> You think 54 is "elderly"?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Jill....100 years ago, a girl over age 17 was considered a spinster
> >> >> >> and an old maid. hahahahaa
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yes....even these days, for men AND women, 54 is elderly!
> >> >> >> Only us "elderly" are in denial to think that it's not. ;-D
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > Yeah, but this isn't 100 years ago. Just because AARP tries to grab
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > at age 50 doesn't mean a thing. I'll be "elderly" when I'm old
> >> >> > enough
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > Medicare. LOL
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm 55. I've been on it for a few years.
> >> >
> >> > That's because you're on SSDI, not SSI.
> >>
> >> Yes. But you don't need to be elderly to get it.
> >
> > SSDI is not SSI, which is the topic of discussion.
> >
> > You're sounding like the old immigrants who came here and didn't work
> > here a day in their life but got supplemental social security and sat
> > around claiming it was social security. NOPE. The two programs are
> > completely different. Children can be on SSDI, but the waiting period
> > to qualify for medicare disability insurance benefits for people under
> > age 65 is 24 months unless the disability is from end stage renal
> > disease or Lou Gehrig's Disease.
>
> The topic was Medicare. Pay attention.

SSDI is disability and the medicare you have is also disability.
*Disability* was not the topic at hand. Children also qualify for
your kind medicare... so it's not a big deal.

--

sf

"Bruce" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:08:15 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 17 May 2015 22:17:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:31:36 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>newsbgelat84nakbsleqcb4h24cgomen7t74l@4ax. com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the label doesn't say organic, the chance of buying stuff that's
>>>>>>> full of toxins is a lot bigger. Strange how the elderly hate
>>>>>>> everything that says "organic".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What? The "elderly hate everything that says "organic?" Are you
>>>>>>elderly
>>>>>>then, and you hate it? I sure don't and I'm elderly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was exaggerating. But many people seem to think that if you're
>>>>> interested in organic food, you must be a commie or a hippie or a new
>>>>> age tree hugger. An Archie Bunker reflex. What's more normal than
>>>>> organic food?
>>>>
>>>>Some people don't understand. My mom is of an age to where she was
>>>>referred
>>>>to as a hippie back in the day. And she did fit that profile on many
>>>>fronts. But she shuns organic food and sort of regards it as poison.
>>>
>>> That's what I meant. The generation before us often think food isn't
>>> reliable unless the industry has changed it and made it safe first.
>>
>>She just doesn't understand what the term means. When she says that she
>>won't eat it and I respond, "So you want to eat pesticides?" She just
>>looks
>>at me like I am crazy. I also have witnessed many people in that age
>>range
>>putting full trust in doctors and loving all medicines. They refuse to
>>believe that some meds can be harmful or have side effects. They're kind
>>of
>>like... When we were kids, people died because we didn't have good meds
>>and
>>now we do!
>
> They vegetable garden the same way. They throw around pesticides and
> herbicides like they're going out of fashion. "But the bottle says
> it's gone after a week." Blind faith.

My parents did not. Granted it was mainly my garden. We never used
chemicals.

On Mon, 18 May 2015 20:17:31 -0300, wrote:

>On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:08:15 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 17 May 2015 22:17:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:31:36 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>newsbgelat84nakbsleqcb4h24cgomen7t74l@4ax. com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the label doesn't say organic, the chance of buying stuff that's
>>>>>>> full of toxins is a lot bigger. Strange how the elderly hate
>>>>>>> everything that says "organic".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What? The "elderly hate everything that says "organic?" Are you elderly
>>>>>>then, and you hate it? I sure don't and I'm elderly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was exaggerating. But many people seem to think that if you're
>>>>> interested in organic food, you must be a commie or a hippie or a new
>>>>> age tree hugger. An Archie Bunker reflex. What's more normal than
>>>>> organic food?
>>>>
>>>>Some people don't understand. My mom is of an age to where she was
>>>>referred
>>>>to as a hippie back in the day. And she did fit that profile on many
>>>>fronts. But she shuns organic food and sort of regards it as poison.
>>>
>>> That's what I meant. The generation before us often think food isn't
>>> reliable unless the industry has changed it and made it safe first.
>>
>>She just doesn't understand what the term means. When she says that she
>>won't eat it and I respond, "So you want to eat pesticides?" She just looks
>>at me like I am crazy. I also have witnessed many people in that age range
>>putting full trust in doctors and loving all medicines. They refuse to
>>believe that some meds can be harmful or have side effects. They're kind of
>>like... When we were kids, people died because we didn't have good meds and
>>now we do!
>
>For someone so stupid you are incredibly judgemental !

You're just noticing this now? She makes up stories as she goes
along. It seldom irritates me anymore; she a Sheldon are so much
alike.
Janet US

"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 May 2015 20:17:31 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 May 2015 16:08:15 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2015 22:17:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 May 2015 10:31:36 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>newsbgelat84nakbsleqcb4h24cgomen7t74l@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the label doesn't say organic, the chance of buying stuff that's
>>>>>>>> full of toxins is a lot bigger. Strange how the elderly hate
>>>>>>>> everything that says "organic".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What? The "elderly hate everything that says "organic?" Are you
>>>>>>>elderly
>>>>>>>then, and you hate it? I sure don't and I'm elderly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was exaggerating. But many people seem to think that if you're
>>>>>> interested in organic food, you must be a commie or a hippie or a new
>>>>>> age tree hugger. An Archie Bunker reflex. What's more normal than
>>>>>> organic food?
>>>>>
>>>>>Some people don't understand. My mom is of an age to where she was
>>>>>referred
>>>>>to as a hippie back in the day. And she did fit that profile on many
>>>>>fronts. But she shuns organic food and sort of regards it as poison.
>>>>
>>>> That's what I meant. The generation before us often think food isn't
>>>> reliable unless the industry has changed it and made it safe first.
>>>
>>>She just doesn't understand what the term means. When she says that she
>>>won't eat it and I respond, "So you want to eat pesticides?" She just
>>>looks
>>>at me like I am crazy. I also have witnessed many people in that age
>>>range
>>>putting full trust in doctors and loving all medicines. They refuse to
>>>believe that some meds can be harmful or have side effects. They're kind
>>>of
>>>like... When we were kids, people died because we didn't have good meds
>>>and
>>>now we do!
>>
>>For someone so stupid you are incredibly judgemental !
>
> You're just noticing this now? She makes up stories as she goes
> along. It seldom irritates me anymore; she a Sheldon are so much
> alike.
> Janet US

WTF did I make up?