"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 21:21:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:43:27 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> If Julie's daughter is 17, then she's still in HS and some of you are
>> >> pushing a bit too hard.
>> >
>> > That's why Julie would meal plan with her and teach her how to make a
>> > shopping list *that she would follow*. Phones are for double checking
>> > ingredients and deviations. I phone app could scan the bar code of
>> > what she wants and Julie wouldn't have any excuses left about why this
>> > can't be done. She still has her online places to order everything
>> > else. Julie over buys as it is, so meal planning and sending someone
>> > else with a shopping list isn't out of the question and good for her
>> > too.
>> >
>> > As far as money goes, there's no law against putting her DD on one of
>> > her credit cards to let her use when grocery shopping or buying a
>> > prepaid card to use. Julie can have custody of it at all times and
>> > only give it to her DD when she goes to the store with a list in hand.
>> > Some things seem to be too simple. If her DD can be trusted to drive,
>> > she can be trusted with a shopping list. If not, she shouldn't be out
>> > driving around.
>> >
>>
>> *ONE* of my credit cards? I have credit card and it is *NEVER* used for
>> shopping (or anything else) unless it is some sort of emergency purchase
>> that I couldn't otherwise afford. I am also not going to buy a pre-paid
>> credit card and pay the additional $4.95 or whatever it is for that. I
>> am
>> not going to buy an assortment of store gift cards either. You are
>> inventing problems. I do not need anyone to do shopping for me. Please
>> just stop!
>
> Why don't you stop posting whines about your private life?

Who is whining? You are the one who keeps trying to tell me what to do. I
am telling you why I won't do it. I operated by various principles. One of
which is KISS. Keep it simple, stupid! You are telling me to go out and
buy a credit card for her. If I am going to go out and buy something, I
might as well get groceries while there. Right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

Or... If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My system ain't broke. Nobody is
starving in *my* house.

I will be buying some groceries tomorrow. I will be going to the business
Costco, the Walmart grocery store and Albertsons. I do not plan to buy much
at any of the stores. Walmart is apparently going through changes. I think
it is to raise prices. They did not have the little pears that we all like.
It might just be a bad pear buying time because all of the stores seem low
on them. That will be a quick in and out just to see if I can get what they
didn't have when I went there on Sat. And I will be within a few blocks of
them so it's not like I will be using a lot of gas.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:19:19 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:29:30 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:16:08 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 10:00:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:21:02 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 5/26/2015 5:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 13:49:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 15:01:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 11:46 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I rarely ever stick to a list when I grocery shop. If I did
>>>>>>>>>> that, we
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be eating much. I like to go to the store and see what
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> have and what looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good for you, Julie. I may use a short list so as not to forget a
>>>>>>>>> particular few items, but most shopping is done by eye. If it
>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>> good, buy it. If not, pass and find something else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She claims she can't do it, so she buys via Amazon or Walmart
>>>>>>>> online.
>>>>>>>> She's letting other people pick out her groceries anyway, so that's
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> excuse for her not to teach her DD to do it. They both have
>>>>>>>> phones,
>>>>>>>> so her DD can call her if there's ever a question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you tell all your friends about it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, but Julie has told RFC all about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>And now the whole tribe's giving her advice. RFC is such a nurtuting,
>>>>>cockle-warming environment.
>>>>
>>>>Why are you so blind to her 'stories' and general appalling attitudes?
>>>>And yet you have no problem criticising other people here when you see
>>>>something you don't agree with or object to.
>>>>
>>>>If I did the same here, I can't imagine anyone trying to defend me or
>>>>not calling me out on all the B.S.
>>>>It's not good enough to simply complain about people 'picking' on her.
>>>
>>>You just don't group bully someone who's not hurting anybody. That's
>>>what I think anyway.
>>
>>Well, there you go. You think she's not hurting anybody, I and others
>>think the opposite is true. And again with the group bully crap - that
>>doesnt make any sense, really.
>
> How does she hurt you?

Yeah. Enquiring minds want to know. Maybe I once told him FOAD. If I
didn't, I probably should have!

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:50:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:19:19 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:29:30 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:16:08 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 10:00:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:21:02 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 5/26/2015 5:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 13:49:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 15:01:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 11:46 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I rarely ever stick to a list when I grocery shop. If I did
>>>>>>>>>>> that, we
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be eating much. I like to go to the store and see what
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> have and what looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good for you, Julie. I may use a short list so as not to forget
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> particular few items, but most shopping is done by eye. If it
>>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>>> good, buy it. If not, pass and find something else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She claims she can't do it, so she buys via Amazon or Walmart
>>>>>>>>> online.
>>>>>>>>> She's letting other people pick out her groceries anyway, so
>>>>>>>>> that's no
>>>>>>>>> excuse for her not to teach her DD to do it. They both have
>>>>>>>>> phones,
>>>>>>>>> so her DD can call her if there's ever a question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you tell all your friends about it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, but Julie has told RFC all about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And now the whole tribe's giving her advice. RFC is such a nurtuting,
>>>>>>cockle-warming environment.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why are you so blind to her 'stories' and general appalling attitudes?
>>>>>And yet you have no problem criticising other people here when you see
>>>>>something you don't agree with or object to.
>>>>>
>>>>>If I did the same here, I can't imagine anyone trying to defend me or
>>>>>not calling me out on all the B.S.
>>>>>It's not good enough to simply complain about people 'picking' on her.
>>>>
>>>>You just don't group bully someone who's not hurting anybody. That's
>>>>what I think anyway.
>>>
>>>Well, there you go. You think she's not hurting anybody, I and others
>>>think the opposite is true. And again with the group bully crap - that
>>>doesnt make any sense, really.
>>
>>How does she hurt you?
>
> She doesnt hurt me or anyone else here. She hurts her daughter and
> possibly her husband as well. She hurts the environment with her
> consumer habits.

Oh? My reusable shopping bags are hurting the environment? How so?

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 17:21:46 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:50:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:19:19 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:29:30 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:16:08 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 10:00:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:21:02 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 5/26/2015 5:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 13:49:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 15:01:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 11:46 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I rarely ever stick to a list when I grocery shop. If I did
>>>>>>>>>>>> that, we
>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be eating much. I like to go to the store and see
>>>>>>>>>>>> what they
>>>>>>>>>>>> have and what looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good for you, Julie. I may use a short list so as not to forget
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> particular few items, but most shopping is done by eye. If it
>>>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>>>> good, buy it. If not, pass and find something else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She claims she can't do it, so she buys via Amazon or Walmart
>>>>>>>>>> online.
>>>>>>>>>> She's letting other people pick out her groceries anyway, so
>>>>>>>>>> that's no
>>>>>>>>>> excuse for her not to teach her DD to do it. They both have
>>>>>>>>>> phones,
>>>>>>>>>> so her DD can call her if there's ever a question.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you tell all your friends about it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, but Julie has told RFC all about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And now the whole tribe's giving her advice. RFC is such a nurtuting,
>>>>>>>cockle-warming environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why are you so blind to her 'stories' and general appalling attitudes?
>>>>>>And yet you have no problem criticising other people here when you see
>>>>>>something you don't agree with or object to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I did the same here, I can't imagine anyone trying to defend me or
>>>>>>not calling me out on all the B.S.
>>>>>>It's not good enough to simply complain about people 'picking' on her.
>>>>>
>>>>>You just don't group bully someone who's not hurting anybody. That's
>>>>>what I think anyway.
>>>>
>>>>Well, there you go. You think she's not hurting anybody, I and others
>>>>think the opposite is true. And again with the group bully crap - that
>>>>doesnt make any sense, really.
>>>
>>>How does she hurt you?
>>
>>She doesnt hurt me or anyone else here. She hurts her daughter and
>>possibly her husband as well. She hurts the environment with her
>>consumer habits.
>
> So your relentless crusade against her is motivated by your concern
> for her daughter and the environment I've always underestimated
> you.

I think I would want to know why he is so interested in my daughter. I am
starting to feel creeped out!

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 17:21:46 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:50:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:19:19 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:29:30 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:16:08 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 10:00:44 +1000, Bruce >
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:21:02 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 5/26/2015 5:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 13:49:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 15:01:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 11:46 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I rarely ever stick to a list when I grocery shop. If I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be eating much. I like to go to the store and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have and what looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for you, Julie. I may use a short list so as not to
>>>>>>>>>>>> forget a
>>>>>>>>>>>> particular few items, but most shopping is done by eye. If it
>>>>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>>>>> good, buy it. If not, pass and find something else.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> She claims she can't do it, so she buys via Amazon or Walmart
>>>>>>>>>>> online.
>>>>>>>>>>> She's letting other people pick out her groceries anyway, so
>>>>>>>>>>> that's no
>>>>>>>>>>> excuse for her not to teach her DD to do it. They both have
>>>>>>>>>>> phones,
>>>>>>>>>>> so her DD can call her if there's ever a question.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did you tell all your friends about it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, but Julie has told RFC all about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And now the whole tribe's giving her advice. RFC is such a
>>>>>>>>nurtuting,
>>>>>>>>cockle-warming environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why are you so blind to her 'stories' and general appalling
>>>>>>>attitudes?
>>>>>>>And yet you have no problem criticising other people here when you
>>>>>>>see
>>>>>>>something you don't agree with or object to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If I did the same here, I can't imagine anyone trying to defend me or
>>>>>>>not calling me out on all the B.S.
>>>>>>>It's not good enough to simply complain about people 'picking' on
>>>>>>>her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You just don't group bully someone who's not hurting anybody. That's
>>>>>>what I think anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, there you go. You think she's not hurting anybody, I and others
>>>>>think the opposite is true. And again with the group bully crap - that
>>>>>doesnt make any sense, really.
>>>>
>>>>How does she hurt you?
>>>
>>>She doesnt hurt me or anyone else here. She hurts her daughter and
>>>possibly her husband as well. She hurts the environment with her
>>>consumer habits.
>>
>> So your relentless crusade against her is motivated by your concern
>> for her daughter and the environment I've always underestimated
>> you.
>
> Indeed. I expect that is why everyone else is constantly jumping on
> everything she says. Heck she can be away for a hours, even days, but it
> still continues. All kind concern of course!
>
> I don't understand the lack of intelligence that spurs on such constant
> vituperative attention. I decided long ago, that it must make the
> perpetrators feel important, or why would they bother? Maybe that is the
> only way they can feel good about themselves.

Yep. I actually had a bully type person tell me that. He said if he could
knock me down a peg or two it made him feel better. My response to him was
that was just plain sad. Sometimes I will get pushed too far and I will say
something not nice to someone. But in general it makes me feel *bad* if I
know that I made another person feel bad.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 09:10:00 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 17:21:46 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:50:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:19:19 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:29:30 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You just don't group bully someone who's not hurting anybody. That's
>>>>>>>what I think anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, there you go. You think she's not hurting anybody, I and others
>>>>>>think the opposite is true. And again with the group bully crap - that
>>>>>>doesnt make any sense, really.
>>>>>
>>>>>How does she hurt you?
>>>>
>>>>She doesnt hurt me or anyone else here. She hurts her daughter and
>>>>possibly her husband as well. She hurts the environment with her
>>>>consumer habits.
>>>
>>> So your relentless crusade against her is motivated by your concern
>>> for her daughter and the environment I've always underestimated
>>> you.
>>
>>Indeed. I expect that is why everyone else is constantly jumping on
>>everything she says. Heck she can be away for a hours, even days, but it
>>still continues. All kind concern of course!
>
> Yes, global warming and all that.
>
>>I don't understand the lack of intelligence that spurs on such constant
>>vituperative attention. I decided long ago, that it must make the
>>perpetrators feel important, or why would they bother? Maybe that is the
>>only way they can feel good about themselves.
>
> Maybe they do it out of boredom. The way nasty kids torture animals
> out of boredom.

Oh, oh, oh. That's a subject I don't like. No I don't.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 09:10:00 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 17:21:46 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:50:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:19:19 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:29:30 +1000, Bruce >
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You just don't group bully someone who's not hurting anybody. That's
>>>>>>>>what I think anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, there you go. You think she's not hurting anybody, I and others
>>>>>>>think the opposite is true. And again with the group bully crap -
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>doesnt make any sense, really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How does she hurt you?
>>>>>
>>>>>She doesnt hurt me or anyone else here. She hurts her daughter and
>>>>>possibly her husband as well. She hurts the environment with her
>>>>>consumer habits.
>>>>
>>>> So your relentless crusade against her is motivated by your concern
>>>> for her daughter and the environment I've always underestimated
>>>> you.
>>>
>>>Indeed. I expect that is why everyone else is constantly jumping on
>>>everything she says. Heck she can be away for a hours, even days, but it
>>>still continues. All kind concern of course!
>>
>> Yes, global warming and all that.
>>
>>>I don't understand the lack of intelligence that spurs on such constant
>>>vituperative attention. I decided long ago, that it must make the
>>>perpetrators feel important, or why would they bother? Maybe that is the
>>>only way they can feel good about themselves.
>>
>> Maybe they do it out of boredom. The way nasty kids torture animals
>> out of boredom.
>
> It occurs to me that Jill is reaping what she has sown. How does she
> feel now it is her turn. She never stops taking nasty pot shots at Julie
> and anyone who defends Julie is maligned. I wonder how those who are
> defending Jill would feel if they had the same treatment. Maybe some
> should take time out to consider .-

I'll bet they just don't care.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 5/26/2015 11:46 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I rarely ever stick to a list when I grocery shop. If I did that, we
>>>>> wouldn't be eating much. I like to go to the store and see what they
>>>>> have and what looks good.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good for you, Julie. I may use a short list so as not to forget a
>>>> particular few items, but most shopping is done by eye. If it looks
>>>> good, buy it. If not, pass and find something else.
>>>
>>> Oh yes. I always have my list but if something looks really good ... my
>>> list in not written in stone)
>>
>> Then you see what I mean. That sort of thing would never happen if I
>> sent
>> someone else to do my shopping. They might pick up something that
>> appealed to them only but nothing else.
>
> Of course! There is always a trade off if you need someone to do your
> shopping for you.

Of course need is another matter. Why people here think I need someone to
do my shopping for me is beyond me. Yes, it is hard for me to walk. But if
we all just did things that come easy for us, we wouldn't get far in life.

Let's just say that at the moment I am not the most disabled person in this
house. And I have had to order a little freezer. I don't know where I will
put it just yet but... The end result of someone's hospital trip means that
I will need to lay in quite a larger store of ice packs than I currently
have. Especially with the hot weather coming. There will probably wind up
not being too much food (if any) in that freezer. But I will also need the
space for storing ice for my swamp cooler that I will soon have to get out.
It's not a chest freezer and it's only something like 2.1 cubic feet.

Ah, it's always something. Every time I think I am finally doing better,
something else knocks me for a loop. But I did find a good price on soda so
I am happy.

On Wed, 27 May 2015 04:05:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 26 May 2015 21:21:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:43:27 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If Julie's daughter is 17, then she's still in HS and some of you are
> >> >> pushing a bit too hard.
> >> >
> >> > That's why Julie would meal plan with her and teach her how to make a
> >> > shopping list *that she would follow*. Phones are for double checking
> >> > ingredients and deviations. I phone app could scan the bar code of
> >> > what she wants and Julie wouldn't have any excuses left about why this
> >> > can't be done. She still has her online places to order everything
> >> > else. Julie over buys as it is, so meal planning and sending someone
> >> > else with a shopping list isn't out of the question and good for her
> >> > too.
> >> >
> >> > As far as money goes, there's no law against putting her DD on one of
> >> > her credit cards to let her use when grocery shopping or buying a
> >> > prepaid card to use. Julie can have custody of it at all times and
> >> > only give it to her DD when she goes to the store with a list in hand.
> >> > Some things seem to be too simple. If her DD can be trusted to drive,
> >> > she can be trusted with a shopping list. If not, she shouldn't be out
> >> > driving around.
> >> >
> >>
> >> *ONE* of my credit cards? I have credit card and it is *NEVER* used for
> >> shopping (or anything else) unless it is some sort of emergency purchase
> >> that I couldn't otherwise afford. I am also not going to buy a pre-paid
> >> credit card and pay the additional $4.95 or whatever it is for that. I
> >> am
> >> not going to buy an assortment of store gift cards either. You are
> >> inventing problems. I do not need anyone to do shopping for me. Please
> >> just stop!
> >
> > Why don't you stop posting whines about your private life?
>
> Who is whining? You are the one who keeps trying to tell me what to do. I
> am telling you why I won't do it. I operated by various principles. One of
> which is KISS. Keep it simple, stupid! You are telling me to go out and
> buy a credit card for her. If I am going to go out and buy something, I
> might as well get groceries while there. Right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

Why don't you stop giving everyone the opportunity to solve the
myriad of issues and problems you post about on rfc? Nobody makes up
problems for you, you're too good at bringing them up yourself. YOU
are the one who opens the door every single time. People have good
answers to your problems and YES you are talking about problems.
Whine whine whine. Me me me.
>
> Or... If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My system ain't broke. Nobody is
> starving in *my* house.

As long as they are eating something reheated. You're in the wrong
group, Julie. RFC is not for you.
>
> I will be buying some groceries tomorrow. I will be going to the business
> Costco, the Walmart grocery store and Albertsons.

Buying groceries at Business Costco is not like buying groceries at a
regular Costco. Want an entire unbutchered pig? Go there. Want pork
chops? Go to a regular Costco.

> I do not plan to buy much
> at any of the stores. Walmart is apparently going through changes. I think
> it is to raise prices. They did not have the little pears that we all like.
> It might just be a bad pear buying time because all of the stores seem low
> on them.

Of course you'll have a hard time buying pears because it's not pear
season! Is this supposed to be an example of how well you're doing in
the grown up world?

> That will be a quick in and out just to see if I can get what they
> didn't have when I went there on Sat. And I will be within a few blocks of
> them so it's not like I will be using a lot of gas.

The honest truth is nobody cares about the details of your out of
season fruit/vegetable buying habits. If you find any (spare us the
details), tell us what you do with the pears. Don't tell us all about
the many places you hunted and how much gas you used. You're treating
rfc like a personal diary. If you're that compelled to tell it to the
world, write a blog. Yes, I am speaking for everyone. The exceptions
(there's always one) can friend you on Facebook and get all the gory
details there. If you can't make yourself do that, then you'll also
be getting solutions to all of the problems you claim don't exist.
Stop posting about them and the solutions will go away too. It's a
simple concept called cause and effect. Something it you seem to know
nothing about.

--

sf

On Wed, 27 May 2015 04:00:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 26 May 2015 21:14:22 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I would just not be bothered to do that. I am glad you like it but I
> >> flat
> >> out do not want it!
> >> >
> >> > The money problem is a non-issue that is easily solved.
> >>
> >> How so?
> >> >
> >> > Basically, she doesn't WANT to let her DD do anything. She'd rather
> >> > complain about every little aspect of her life here on rfc instead of
> >> > just getting on with it.
> >>
> >> Now you are lying again!
> >
> > You said very clearly above that you can't be bothered to do that...
> > aka You don't WANT to. Whine whine whine oh poor little you.
>
> The app! The app! I can't be bothered to use the stinking app! *You*
> might like apps and technology but I do not. I much prefer a pen or pencil
> and paper when it comes to things like a grocery list.

You're not able to comprehend how to make your life easier mainly
because you don't WANT to. Sit down with her to meal PLAN and write a
shopping list with pencil and paper. Stop making excuses about why
you "can't" and get it done.

> Takes me no time at all to use a list like I do.

The point is to do it WITH her, not hand her a list that's already
made.

> Would waste my time to use an app. Log into
> the phone, bring up the app.

Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone? There's
no "log-on" required.

> Repeat the log in frequently because my phone
> logs me off when I am not using it. Have to keep referring back to a phone
> that I would have to keep in my hand while shopping. I do not like having
> my phone at while shopping.

So having a phone in your hand with a list where you can check off an
item with the touch of a finger is more trouble than holding a piece
of paper in one hand and a pen in the other. Yet another problem.
>
> I am forced to use apps on occasion at Safeway or Target to get lower
> prices. I will do it if I have to.

I don't know wth you're talking about and frankly I don't care because
I'm not talking about any store specific app. The app I'm talking
about will let you make a list for any specific store you want. Lots
of them in fact. You don't even need to use the app I'm talking
about. Just use whatever note taking app that came with your DD's
phone. You won't be able to alter it after she's out of the house,
but you like drama - so there you go. She's set up to fail already.

> I don't even use the Cartwheel app on my
> phone. Much easier for me to print off the code. And then I also have a
> list on a piece of paper. I can then use that paper to write my own list
> on. I find that even easier than using the list that they offer online.
>
> And if you think my daughter would use an app while shopping, you are dead
> wrong. You obviously haven't gone shopping with a teen. They text each
> other in the store and take pics of things they are considering buying.

Red herring. Stay on topic (another thing you have a hard time
doing). You're talking about when they are out buying clothes, we
were talking specifically about grocery shopping.
>
> You're the one who keeps pushing the damned app. I am not whining. I am
> just saying that I am not interested in it!

Obviously. So, spare us the long winded details in the future and
don't complain in rfc. Save it for Facebook. Tell us your problems
and someone will have a good answer that you'll reject, of course.
You'd rather have all the attention.

--

sf

In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...
>
> Hi Janet, there is a teaching time for that and a time to be easy about
> it. If i recall right, her daughter is as above, about 17. Mine is 21.
>
> I can definately at need send mine to the store with a reasonable list
> as well as extra money if she sees a good sale since she knows the
> prices and what we normally get as well as the variations in 'fun
> stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or access to
> the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.

She doesn't have her own checking account????

I had my first bank account at 16 (by then I'd had paid jobs for three
years and needed somewhere to stash the loot). I left home for
university at 18 and managed all my own money and bills from my bank
account. So did all my student peers and my kids.

> 17 is the earliest cusp for shopping for a whole family.

! Some 17 yr olds are working; or raising their own families and doing
all the shopping and housework.

> If Julie's daughter is 17, then she's still in HS and some of you are
> pushing a bit too hard.

I don't think going to the shops for your mother is pushing a 17 yr old
too hard.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
> >
> > Whilst I am not familiar with American law, I'm sure there must be
> > many 16 years olds living on their own without any regard to getting
> > 'emancipated', without issues. I moved out of home at age 16 myself
> > and know plenty of people who did likewise. I didn't find it very
> > difficult, I sure made some mistakes (like trying to make fried rice
> > without first boiling the rice, LOL) but in general never had any real
> > problems.
>
> Many? Perhaps on the streets. A 16 year old here has a tough time getting
> a job and they would likely not get a lease anywhere to live. Things must
> be very different there.

A 16 yr old here can join the military forces, have a bank account for
their pay, marry and have children. No need to go on the streets.

Janet UK

On 5/26/2015 8:43 PM, cshenk wrote:

> stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or access to
> the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.

You can add her as an authorized user on your credit
card to get her started on a credit score. I just did that
for my college student niece. I did not actually give her
the card or the number. Heh.

nancy

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 04:00:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 26 May 2015 21:14:22 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I would just not be bothered to do that. I am glad you like it but I
>> >> flat
>> >> out do not want it!
>> >> >
>> >> > The money problem is a non-issue that is easily solved.
>> >>
>> >> How so?
>> >> >
>> >> > Basically, she doesn't WANT to let her DD do anything. She'd rather
>> >> > complain about every little aspect of her life here on rfc instead
>> >> > of
>> >> > just getting on with it.
>> >>
>> >> Now you are lying again!
>> >
>> > You said very clearly above that you can't be bothered to do that...
>> > aka You don't WANT to. Whine whine whine oh poor little you.
>>
>> The app! The app! I can't be bothered to use the stinking app! *You*
>> might like apps and technology but I do not. I much prefer a pen or
>> pencil
>> and paper when it comes to things like a grocery list.
>
> You're not able to comprehend how to make your life easier mainly
> because you don't WANT to. Sit down with her to meal PLAN and write a
> shopping list with pencil and paper. Stop making excuses about why
> you "can't" and get it done.

Who said that I wanted to make my life easier? Not me! Once again, you are
finding problems that just aren't there.

>> Takes me no time at all to use a list like I do.
>
> The point is to do it WITH her, not hand her a list that's already
> made.

And I don't need HER to do my shopping. Nor would she use an app for it.
>
>> Would waste my time to use an app. Log into
>> the phone, bring up the app.
>
> Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone? There's
> no "log-on" required.
>
There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.

>> Repeat the log in frequently because my phone
>> logs me off when I am not using it. Have to keep referring back to a
>> phone
>> that I would have to keep in my hand while shopping. I do not like
>> having
>> my phone at while shopping.
>
> So having a phone in your hand with a list where you can check off an
> item with the touch of a finger is more trouble than holding a piece
> of paper in one hand and a pen in the other. Yet another problem.

I don't need a pen. I'm not addle brained. I can remember what I picked up
and what I did not. I write out my lists, one per store with the items
listed in the order in which they are located in the store. Now when a
store does a remodel or I am unfamiliar with the layout, I am screwed there.
My list for today has three items at one store and three at another. I
didn't write down for Costco because I am likely only going to buy cottage
cheese there. I can easily remember that. Once again sf, you are finding
problems when there are none. I've been using this kind of list since
forever and it hasn't failed me yet!
>>
>> I am forced to use apps on occasion at Safeway or Target to get lower
>> prices. I will do it if I have to.
>
> I don't know wth you're talking about and frankly I don't care because
> I'm not talking about any store specific app. The app I'm talking
> about will let you make a list for any specific store you want. Lots
> of them in fact. You don't even need to use the app I'm talking
> about. Just use whatever note taking app that came with your DD's
> phone. You won't be able to alter it after she's out of the house,
> but you like drama - so there you go. She's set up to fail already.
>
>> I don't even use the Cartwheel app on my
>> phone. Much easier for me to print off the code. And then I also have a
>> list on a piece of paper. I can then use that paper to write my own list
>> on. I find that even easier than using the list that they offer online.
>>
>> And if you think my daughter would use an app while shopping, you are
>> dead
>> wrong. You obviously haven't gone shopping with a teen. They text each
>> other in the store and take pics of things they are considering buying.
>
> Red herring. Stay on topic (another thing you have a hard time
> doing). You're talking about when they are out buying clothes, we
> were talking specifically about grocery shopping.
>>
>> You're the one who keeps pushing the damned app. I am not whining. I am
>> just saying that I am not interested in it!
>
> Obviously. So, spare us the long winded details in the future and
> don't complain in rfc. Save it for Facebook. Tell us your problems
> and someone will have a good answer that you'll reject, of course.
> You'd rather have all the attention.
>
> --
>
> sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 04:05:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 26 May 2015 21:21:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:43:27 -0500, "cshenk" >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> If Julie's daughter is 17, then she's still in HS and some of you
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> pushing a bit too hard.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's why Julie would meal plan with her and teach her how to make
>> >> > a
>> >> > shopping list *that she would follow*. Phones are for double
>> >> > checking
>> >> > ingredients and deviations. I phone app could scan the bar code of
>> >> > what she wants and Julie wouldn't have any excuses left about why
>> >> > this
>> >> > can't be done. She still has her online places to order everything
>> >> > else. Julie over buys as it is, so meal planning and sending
>> >> > someone
>> >> > else with a shopping list isn't out of the question and good for her
>> >> > too.
>> >> >
>> >> > As far as money goes, there's no law against putting her DD on one
>> >> > of
>> >> > her credit cards to let her use when grocery shopping or buying a
>> >> > prepaid card to use. Julie can have custody of it at all times and
>> >> > only give it to her DD when she goes to the store with a list in
>> >> > hand.
>> >> > Some things seem to be too simple. If her DD can be trusted to
>> >> > drive,
>> >> > she can be trusted with a shopping list. If not, she shouldn't be
>> >> > out
>> >> > driving around.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> *ONE* of my credit cards? I have credit card and it is *NEVER* used
>> >> for
>> >> shopping (or anything else) unless it is some sort of emergency
>> >> purchase
>> >> that I couldn't otherwise afford. I am also not going to buy a
>> >> pre-paid
>> >> credit card and pay the additional $4.95 or whatever it is for that.
>> >> I
>> >> am
>> >> not going to buy an assortment of store gift cards either. You are
>> >> inventing problems. I do not need anyone to do shopping for me.
>> >> Please
>> >> just stop!
>> >
>> > Why don't you stop posting whines about your private life?
>>
>> Who is whining? You are the one who keeps trying to tell me what to do.
>> I
>> am telling you why I won't do it. I operated by various principles. One
>> of
>> which is KISS. Keep it simple, stupid! You are telling me to go out and
>> buy a credit card for her. If I am going to go out and buy something, I
>> might as well get groceries while there. Right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!
>
> Why don't you stop giving everyone the opportunity to solve the
> myriad of issues and problems you post about on rfc? Nobody makes up
> problems for you, you're too good at bringing them up yourself. YOU
> are the one who opens the door every single time. People have good
> answers to your problems and YES you are talking about problems.
> Whine whine whine. Me me me.

sf I think you are going crazy or something. You are the one who is finding
problems. I mention something and you make it out to be a big problem when
it isn't. So I couldn't find pears!? I will look again. I know full well
that it isn't pear season. I have pear trees. But I have been buying a bag
of little ones now for weeks and pears and usually availble year round here.
>>
>> Or... If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My system ain't broke. Nobody
>> is
>> starving in *my* house.
>
> As long as they are eating something reheated. You're in the wrong
> group, Julie. RFC is not for you.

What? What are you talking about NOW? Again, perhaps crazy.
>>
>> I will be buying some groceries tomorrow. I will be going to the
>> business
>> Costco, the Walmart grocery store and Albertsons.
>
> Buying groceries at Business Costco is not like buying groceries at a
> regular Costco. Want an entire unbutchered pig? Go there. Want pork
> chops? Go to a regular Costco.

I know what they sell sf. I want small containers of cottage cheese. And
yes, I know that I could buy a big container which they also probably sell.
But this is what my family likes. Makes sense for me to buy what they will
eat. No? I also need gas for my car and they have that. And I will
already be just a few blocks from them so there I will go!
>
>> I do not plan to buy much
>> at any of the stores. Walmart is apparently going through changes. I
>> think
>> it is to raise prices. They did not have the little pears that we all
>> like.
>> It might just be a bad pear buying time because all of the stores seem
>> low
>> on them.
>
> Of course you'll have a hard time buying pears because it's not pear
> season! Is this supposed to be an example of how well you're doing in
> the grown up world?

I have been buying them every week. They didn't have little apples or
oranges either. Perhaps they will today.
>
>> That will be a quick in and out just to see if I can get what they
>> didn't have when I went there on Sat. And I will be within a few blocks
>> of
>> them so it's not like I will be using a lot of gas.
>
> The honest truth is nobody cares about the details of your out of
> season fruit/vegetable buying habits. If you find any (spare us the
> details), tell us what you do with the pears. Don't tell us all about
> the many places you hunted and how much gas you used. You're treating
> rfc like a personal diary. If you're that compelled to tell it to the
> world, write a blog. Yes, I am speaking for everyone. The exceptions
> (there's always one) can friend you on Facebook and get all the gory
> details there. If you can't make yourself do that, then you'll also
> be getting solutions to all of the problems you claim don't exist.
> Stop posting about them and the solutions will go away too. It's a
> simple concept called cause and effect. Something it you seem to know
> nothing about.

Good gravy sf. I think your head is blowing up or something! People here
EAT the pears! What else would we do with them? They prefer the little
ones. You're not driving me off of this newsgroup and I probably don't want
to be friends with anyone here on Facebook. I probably have more friends
than you don on there and my friends are all nice.

I didn't ask for any solutions here sf.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>> >
>> > Whilst I am not familiar with American law, I'm sure there must be
>> > many 16 years olds living on their own without any regard to getting
>> > 'emancipated', without issues. I moved out of home at age 16 myself
>> > and know plenty of people who did likewise. I didn't find it very
>> > difficult, I sure made some mistakes (like trying to make fried rice
>> > without first boiling the rice, LOL) but in general never had any real
>> > problems.
>>
>> Many? Perhaps on the streets. A 16 year old here has a tough time
>> getting
>> a job and they would likely not get a lease anywhere to live. Things
>> must
>> be very different there.
>
> A 16 yr old here can join the military forces, have a bank account for
> their pay, marry and have children. No need to go on the streets.

Well they can't do that here. Must be 18 and have a GED or high school
diploma as well as being in good shape physically.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, cshenk1
> @cox.net says...
>>
>> Hi Janet, there is a teaching time for that and a time to be easy about
>> it. If i recall right, her daughter is as above, about 17. Mine is 21.
>>
>> I can definately at need send mine to the store with a reasonable list
>> as well as extra money if she sees a good sale since she knows the
>> prices and what we normally get as well as the variations in 'fun
>> stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or access to
>> the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.
>
> She doesn't have her own checking account????
>
> I had my first bank account at 16 (by then I'd had paid jobs for three
> years and needed somewhere to stash the loot). I left home for
> university at 18 and managed all my own money and bills from my bank
> account. So did all my student peers and my kids.

Things are obviously quite different where you are. She has had a bank
account since birth. No checking account. Few 16 year olds in this country
would have one.
>
>> 17 is the earliest cusp for shopping for a whole family.
>
> ! Some 17 yr olds are working; or raising their own families and doing
> all the shopping and housework.
>
>> If Julie's daughter is 17, then she's still in HS and some of you are
>> pushing a bit too hard.
>
> I don't think going to the shops for your mother is pushing a 17 yr old
> too hard.

Going to the shops? That wasn't what we were talking about here. It was a
full grocery shop. And I prefer to do my own shopping.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/26/2015 8:43 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>> stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or access to
>> the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.
>
> You can add her as an authorized user on your credit
> card to get her started on a credit score. I just did that
> for my college student niece. I did not actually give her
> the card or the number. Heh.

No, no, no and just plain no! That would probably lower *our* credit score.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >, says...
>>> >
>>> > Whilst I am not familiar with American law, I'm sure there must be
>>> > many 16 years olds living on their own without any regard to getting
>>> > 'emancipated', without issues. I moved out of home at age 16 myself
>>> > and know plenty of people who did likewise. I didn't find it very
>>> > difficult, I sure made some mistakes (like trying to make fried rice
>>> > without first boiling the rice, LOL) but in general never had any real
>>> > problems.
>>>
>>> Many? Perhaps on the streets. A 16 year old here has a tough time
>>> getting
>>> a job and they would likely not get a lease anywhere to live. Things
>>> must
>>> be very different there.
>>
>> A 16 yr old here can join the military forces, have a bank account for
>> their pay, marry and have children. No need to go on the streets.
>
> Well they can't do that here. Must be 18 and have a GED or high school
> diploma as well as being in good shape physically.

As I have said elsewhere, they must be 18 here before they can go into
active service.


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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:51:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I didn't ask for any solutions here sf.

No. All you do is complain about every little mundane thing that
happens in your life.

--

sf

On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:55:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> And I prefer to do my own shopping.

Via the internet.

--

sf

On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> >
> > Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone? There's
> > no "log-on" required.
> >
> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.

Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.


--

sf

On Wed, 27 May 2015 04:09:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:50:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:19:19 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:29:30 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:16:08 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 10:00:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:21:02 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 5/26/2015 5:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 13:49:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 15:01:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 11:46 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I rarely ever stick to a list when I grocery shop. If I did
>>>>>>>>>>>> that, we
>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be eating much. I like to go to the store and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> have and what looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good for you, Julie. I may use a short list so as not to forget
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> particular few items, but most shopping is done by eye. If it
>>>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>>>> good, buy it. If not, pass and find something else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She claims she can't do it, so she buys via Amazon or Walmart
>>>>>>>>>> online.
>>>>>>>>>> She's letting other people pick out her groceries anyway, so
>>>>>>>>>> that's no
>>>>>>>>>> excuse for her not to teach her DD to do it. They both have
>>>>>>>>>> phones,
>>>>>>>>>> so her DD can call her if there's ever a question.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you tell all your friends about it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, but Julie has told RFC all about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And now the whole tribe's giving her advice. RFC is such a nurtuting,
>>>>>>>cockle-warming environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why are you so blind to her 'stories' and general appalling attitudes?
>>>>>>And yet you have no problem criticising other people here when you see
>>>>>>something you don't agree with or object to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I did the same here, I can't imagine anyone trying to defend me or
>>>>>>not calling me out on all the B.S.
>>>>>>It's not good enough to simply complain about people 'picking' on her.
>>>>>
>>>>>You just don't group bully someone who's not hurting anybody. That's
>>>>>what I think anyway.
>>>>
>>>>Well, there you go. You think she's not hurting anybody, I and others
>>>>think the opposite is true. And again with the group bully crap - that
>>>>doesnt make any sense, really.
>>>
>>>How does she hurt you?
>>
>> She doesnt hurt me or anyone else here. She hurts her daughter and
>> possibly her husband as well. She hurts the environment with her
>> consumer habits.
>
>Oh? My reusable shopping bags are hurting the environment? How so?

Did I say reusable shopping bags hurt the environment?
Is that your contribution to environmental responsibility, is it?

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:43:27 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > If Julie's daughter is 17, then she's still in HS and some of you
> > are pushing a bit too hard.
>
> That's why Julie would meal plan with her and teach her how to make a
> shopping list *that she would follow*. Phones are for double checking
> ingredients and deviations. I phone app could scan the bar code of
> what she wants and Julie wouldn't have any excuses left about why this
> can't be done. She still has her online places to order everything
> else. Julie over buys as it is, so meal planning and sending someone
> else with a shopping list isn't out of the question and good for her
> too.
>
> As far as money goes, there's no law against putting her DD on one of
> her credit cards to let her use when grocery shopping or buying a
> prepaid card to use. Julie can have custody of it at all times and
> only give it to her DD when she goes to the store with a list in hand.
> Some things seem to be too simple. If her DD can be trusted to drive,
> she can be trusted with a shopping list. If not, she shouldn't be out
> driving around.

Well, it's up to Julie but in a general sense, 17 is old enough to get
some groceries. Definately old enough if they've been taught smart
shopping by whatever standards your family expects.

When I was in Japan and Charlotte was 7 (when we got there, turned 14
bfore we left), I started teaching her basic economics with a 'treat'.
If she found an acceptable item for cheaper per unit price, she got 1/2
the change back that she could spend on treats. She learned why we are
'brand specific' on some things and not on others from that. She
learned Don dosn't have the vision to label check and if she wanted him
around, then she had to sodium check and tell him what he couldn't have
when I was at sea and he took her shopping.

It's none of our business but i suspect she's not taught her daughter
basic shopping skills. Charlotte could shop for the family by age 14
and while she'd make a few 'oohh I want it' choices as a kid on candy
or something, she'd be better than letting my husband shop....

Carol

--

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > >
> >>> "sf" > wrote in message
> > >
> >>> >
> >>> > Then teach her how to write a shopping list with paper and
> pencil!
> > > >
> >>> She's not stupid! She has been grocery shopping with me since
> >>> birth and she knows how to do it. I am not going to make her do
> it >>> though. That would just cause all sorts of problems.
> > >
> >> Like, becoming independent of you and able to run her own life?
> > >
> > >
> >> She would have to read every label and
> >>> try to remember what I can and can't eat
> > >
> >> You just said she's not stupid. Both should be well within the
> > > reading/memory skills of a normal 17 yr old
> > >
> >>> and I would somehow have to get the
> >>> money to her.
> >> Kind of hard to do when you don't know exactly how much money
> >>> will be spent.
> > >
> >> You must cope with that , why can't she pay like you do?
> >> If you give her a shopping list you know (roughly) what it will
> > > cost.
> > >
> >> Janet
> >
> > Hi Janet, there is a teaching time for that and a time to be easy
> > about it. If i recall right, her daughter is as above, about 17.
> > Mine is 21.
> >
> She is 16. I am not going to get into her finanaces here. But I
> will say that there are no problems there. People are inventing
> problems that just are not. She knows how to shop. She doesn't like
> to do it. And I don't like to have people do my shopping for me!
> Shopping online is a different matter. Some here say they would not
> do it because they can not pick out their own produce. I like it
> because I have never gotten bad produce when I did do it. Saves me
> time.
>
> > I can definately at need send mine to the store with a reasonable
> > list as well as extra money if she sees a good sale since she knows
> > the prices and what we normally get as well as the variations in
> > 'fun stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or
> > access to the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.
>
> As would I and due to the high crime in this area, large sums of cash
> in the house are never a good idea.
> >
> > 17 is the earliest cusp for shopping for a whole family. Just grit
> > your teeth and gently explain it again when they get too many
> > goodies you can't afford and work with it *with them*.
>
> My daughter would not buy goodies if I sent her shopping. She is the
> one who tells me to put things back, they're not healthy or we dont'
> need them.
> >
> > If Julie's daughter is 17, then she's still in HS and some of you
> > are pushing a bit too hard.
> > Carol
>
> No, she is only 16.

Thats ok then. Charlotte was more advanced at an earlier age, but for
several reasons. My husband is visually disabled (not blind but issues
glasses can't solve) so when I was at sea for 9 months of the year from
Japan, she had to help read cans and prices. We made it a game and it
really helped.

The prices in Japan are really high, call it 4 times ours. I ran
classes live in the commissary on how to get the food bill for 2 adults
to under 1,000$ a month EACH.

We ran about 450$ each. Charlotte learned in that environment so of
course, she knows how *and more critically when* to cut a penny.

It is doubtful your daughter has learned that level yet but she is only
now of an age where most start concentrating on teaching that life
skill.

What I found when teaching it, is most didnt teach it at all, or if
they did, they left it out for the male children who had to learn it
painfully later.

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Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> In article >, cshenk1
> @cox.net says...
> >
> > Hi Janet, there is a teaching time for that and a time to be easy
> > about it. If i recall right, her daughter is as above, about 17.
> > Mine is 21.
> >
> > I can definately at need send mine to the store with a reasonable
> > list as well as extra money if she sees a good sale since she knows
> > the prices and what we normally get as well as the variations in
> > 'fun stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or
> > access to the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.
>
> She doesn't have her own checking account????

Times change and a 16yo with no job yet, wouldnt be able to fund a
checking account.

> I had my first bank account at 16 (by then I'd had paid jobs for
> three years and needed somewhere to stash the loot). I left home for
> university at 18 and managed all my own money and bills from my bank
> account. So did all my student peers and my kids.

Times change. I had one at 15 with my first job but we were a
different era.

>
> > 17 is the earliest cusp for shopping for a whole family.
>
> ! Some 17 yr olds are working; or raising their own families and
> doing all the shopping and housework.

Not as many now. They are less willing to hire at that age now (US).

>
> > If Julie's daughter is 17, then she's still in HS and some of you
> > are pushing a bit too hard.
>
> I don't think going to the shops for your mother is pushing a 17 yr
> old too hard.
>
> Janet UK

Maybe not in the UK but what is being asked for is more than just basic
'grab a loaf of bread' in this case.



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Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 5/26/2015 8:43 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or access
> > to the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.
>
> You can add her as an authorized user on your credit
> card to get her started on a credit score. I just did that
> for my college student niece. I did not actually give her
> the card or the number. Heh.
>
> nancy

Absolutely not. I will get her one once she is working and she has a
basic debit card but not tied to more than what we put in it. In the
mean time, we are managing to pay for her college by scrimping and
saving.

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On Wed, 27 May 2015 21:42:39 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> It's none of our business but i suspect she's not taught her daughter
> basic shopping skills.

It's our business because she's made it our business. If she didn't
invite people to comment, we'd know absolutely nothing about where she
shops, how she shops, how much she buys, what she needs to throw out
and what the people in her life won't eat. We also would not know
she's "disabled" to the point where she needs to shop via the internet
- until someone says "send your daughter with a shopping list" and
then all of a sudden she's capable of doing her own shopping. It's a
never ending circle.

> Charlotte could shop for the family by age 14
> and while she'd make a few 'oohh I want it' choices as a kid on candy
> or something, she'd be better than letting my husband shop....

Sounds normal to me. Hubby used to come back with ice cream and
cookies, saying he couldn't find the milk and bread (milk and bread
are exaggerations, but they get the point across).

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sf

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:16:34 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Tech, ok (geeks use teck and i am a geek). I dont use store apps
> > though. Not worth the trouble. I use a web site for my main store
> > and print a simple list of the sales items I want to check out.
> > More doesnt fit me here.
>
> That's not what I'm talking about. Here is the app I use (basically
> as a list). I don't do sales flyers, but if that's what floats your
> boat - they have a section for them too. I am just starting to upload
> recipes to this app, thinking when I'm out and about and the mood hits
> that I want to make something specific at home, I'll know what out of
> the ordinary ingredients I need. Don't know what you have in stock at
> home? There's a section where you can list what's in your pantry. If
> Julie wants to add something to the list after her DD has left for the
> day or make an emergency addition, she can log in on her computer, add
> the item to the list and it will sync with the app on her DD's phone.
> There's something for every objection Julie has.
>

No thanks. That sort of app doesnt know what I have in my kitchen
unless I tell it and that is way more PITA than just checking.

You'd have to have a stock of less than 20 ingredients to make it work.

I have 6 flour types alone.

Good thought but doesnt work for us all.
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:17:42 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Maybe not in the UK but what is being asked for is more than just basic
> 'grab a loaf of bread' in this case.

All of Julie's so called problems have answers. She simply doesn't
want to do it. She'd rather complain to strangers on the internet.

--

sf

On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:26:50 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:16:34 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > Tech, ok (geeks use teck and i am a geek). I dont use store apps
> > > though. Not worth the trouble. I use a web site for my main store
> > > and print a simple list of the sales items I want to check out.
> > > More doesnt fit me here.
> >
> > That's not what I'm talking about. Here is the app I use (basically
> > as a list). I don't do sales flyers, but if that's what floats your
> > boat - they have a section for them too. I am just starting to upload
> > recipes to this app, thinking when I'm out and about and the mood hits
> > that I want to make something specific at home, I'll know what out of
> > the ordinary ingredients I need. Don't know what you have in stock at
> > home? There's a section where you can list what's in your pantry. If
> > Julie wants to add something to the list after her DD has left for the
> > day or make an emergency addition, she can log in on her computer, add
> > the item to the list and it will sync with the app on her DD's phone.
> > There's something for every objection Julie has.
> >
>
> No thanks. That sort of app doesnt know what I have in my kitchen
> unless I tell it and that is way more PITA than just checking.
>
> You'd have to have a stock of less than 20 ingredients to make it work.
>
> I have 6 flour types alone.
>
> Good thought but doesnt work for us all.

It works if you want it to work. For me, it's a needless feature.

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:17:42 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> Maybe not in the UK but what is being asked for is more than just basic
>> 'grab a loaf of bread' in this case.
>
> All of Julie's so called problems have answers. She simply doesn't
> want to do it. She'd rather complain to strangers on the internet.
>
> --
>
> sf

A lot of people do that, it's good therapy, and Julie doesn't usually ask
for advice she just likes to vent as she's said many times.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone? There's
>> > no "log-on" required.
>> >
>> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
>
> Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
> required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.

Can't do that on an Iphone 5.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > > In article >,
>> > > says...
>> > > >
>> >>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Then teach her how to write a shopping list with paper and
>> pencil!
>> > > >
>> >>> She's not stupid! She has been grocery shopping with me since
>> >>> birth and she knows how to do it. I am not going to make her do
>> it >>> though. That would just cause all sorts of problems.
>> > >
>> >> Like, becoming independent of you and able to run her own life?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >> She would have to read every label and
>> >>> try to remember what I can and can't eat
>> > >
>> >> You just said she's not stupid. Both should be well within the
>> > > reading/memory skills of a normal 17 yr old
>> > >
>> >>> and I would somehow have to get the
>> >>> money to her.
>> >> Kind of hard to do when you don't know exactly how much money
>> >>> will be spent.
>> > >
>> >> You must cope with that , why can't she pay like you do?
>> >> If you give her a shopping list you know (roughly) what it will
>> > > cost.
>> > >
>> >> Janet
>> >
>> > Hi Janet, there is a teaching time for that and a time to be easy
>> > about it. If i recall right, her daughter is as above, about 17.
>> > Mine is 21.
>> >
>> She is 16. I am not going to get into her finanaces here. But I
>> will say that there are no problems there. People are inventing
>> problems that just are not. She knows how to shop. She doesn't like
>> to do it. And I don't like to have people do my shopping for me!
>> Shopping online is a different matter. Some here say they would not
>> do it because they can not pick out their own produce. I like it
>> because I have never gotten bad produce when I did do it. Saves me
>> time.
>>
>> > I can definately at need send mine to the store with a reasonable
>> > list as well as extra money if she sees a good sale since she knows
>> > the prices and what we normally get as well as the variations in
>> > 'fun stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or
>> > access to the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.
>>
>> As would I and due to the high crime in this area, large sums of cash
>> in the house are never a good idea.
>> >
>> > 17 is the earliest cusp for shopping for a whole family. Just grit
>> > your teeth and gently explain it again when they get too many
>> > goodies you can't afford and work with it *with them*.
>>
>> My daughter would not buy goodies if I sent her shopping. She is the
>> one who tells me to put things back, they're not healthy or we dont'
>> need them.
>> >
>> > If Julie's daughter is 17, then she's still in HS and some of you
>> > are pushing a bit too hard.
>> > Carol
>>
>> No, she is only 16.
>
> Thats ok then. Charlotte was more advanced at an earlier age, but for
> several reasons. My husband is visually disabled (not blind but issues
> glasses can't solve) so when I was at sea for 9 months of the year from
> Japan, she had to help read cans and prices. We made it a game and it
> really helped.
>
Angela knows how to do it. The problem is that she can't remember what all
foods I can't have. I can't blame here. There are a lot. And corn and
potatoes do not have to be declared as allergens. One has to know what to
look for. I can't have anything with modified food starch, dextrose,
dextrin, Sucrolose or even baking powder. It's all just too much to expect
another person to ferret out. I have even made mistakes in buying things.

> The prices in Japan are really high, call it 4 times ours. I ran
> classes live in the commissary on how to get the food bill for 2 adults
> to under 1,000$ a month EACH.
>
> We ran about 450$ each. Charlotte learned in that environment so of
> course, she knows how *and more critically when* to cut a penny.
>
> It is doubtful your daughter has learned that level yet but she is only
> now of an age where most start concentrating on teaching that life
> skill.

Level? We don't do levels here.
>
> What I found when teaching it, is most didnt teach it at all, or if
> they did, they left it out for the male children who had to learn it
> painfully later.

My daughter has always been good with finances.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:51:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I didn't ask for any solutions here sf.
>
> No. All you do is complain about every little mundane thing that
> happens in your life.

Most of the time I am just making comments and you see it as complaining.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >, says...
>>>> >
>>>> > Whilst I am not familiar with American law, I'm sure there must be
>>>> > many 16 years olds living on their own without any regard to getting
>>>> > 'emancipated', without issues. I moved out of home at age 16 myself
>>>> > and know plenty of people who did likewise. I didn't find it very
>>>> > difficult, I sure made some mistakes (like trying to make fried rice
>>>> > without first boiling the rice, LOL) but in general never had any
>>>> > real
>>>> > problems.
>>>>
>>>> Many? Perhaps on the streets. A 16 year old here has a tough time
>>>> getting
>>>> a job and they would likely not get a lease anywhere to live. Things
>>>> must
>>>> be very different there.
>>>
>>> A 16 yr old here can join the military forces, have a bank account for
>>> their pay, marry and have children. No need to go on the streets.
>>
>> Well they can't do that here. Must be 18 and have a GED or high school
>> diploma as well as being in good shape physically.
>
> As I have said elsewhere, they must be 18 here before they can go into
> active service.

But then how could they join at 16? What would they be doing?

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 04:09:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:50:42 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:19:19 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:29:30 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:16:08 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 10:00:44 +1000, Bruce >
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:21:02 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 5/26/2015 5:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 13:49:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 15:01:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 11:46 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I rarely ever stick to a list when I grocery shop. If I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be eating much. I like to go to the store and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have and what looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for you, Julie. I may use a short list so as not to
>>>>>>>>>>>> forget
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> particular few items, but most shopping is done by eye. If it
>>>>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>>>>> good, buy it. If not, pass and find something else.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> She claims she can't do it, so she buys via Amazon or Walmart
>>>>>>>>>>> online.
>>>>>>>>>>> She's letting other people pick out her groceries anyway, so
>>>>>>>>>>> that's no
>>>>>>>>>>> excuse for her not to teach her DD to do it. They both have
>>>>>>>>>>> phones,
>>>>>>>>>>> so her DD can call her if there's ever a question.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did you tell all your friends about it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No, but Julie has told RFC all about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And now the whole tribe's giving her advice. RFC is such a
>>>>>>>>nurtuting,
>>>>>>>>cockle-warming environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why are you so blind to her 'stories' and general appalling
>>>>>>>attitudes?
>>>>>>>And yet you have no problem criticising other people here when you
>>>>>>>see
>>>>>>>something you don't agree with or object to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If I did the same here, I can't imagine anyone trying to defend me or
>>>>>>>not calling me out on all the B.S.
>>>>>>>It's not good enough to simply complain about people 'picking' on
>>>>>>>her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You just don't group bully someone who's not hurting anybody. That's
>>>>>>what I think anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, there you go. You think she's not hurting anybody, I and others
>>>>>think the opposite is true. And again with the group bully crap - that
>>>>>doesnt make any sense, really.
>>>>
>>>>How does she hurt you?
>>>
>>> She doesnt hurt me or anyone else here. She hurts her daughter and
>>> possibly her husband as well. She hurts the environment with her
>>> consumer habits.
>>
>>Oh? My reusable shopping bags are hurting the environment? How so?
>
> Did I say reusable shopping bags hurt the environment?
> Is that your contribution to environmental responsibility, is it?

Well, why not? Nothing wrong with it.

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:55:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> And I prefer to do my own shopping.
>
> Via the internet.

Like I said... I went to three stores today. And why do you have a problem
with me shopping online? I can save money and time and it saves me from
having to hoist around heavy things like dry cat food and litter.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> In article >, cshenk1
>> @cox.net says...
>> >
>> > Hi Janet, there is a teaching time for that and a time to be easy
>> > about it. If i recall right, her daughter is as above, about 17.
>> > Mine is 21.
>> >
>> > I can definately at need send mine to the store with a reasonable
>> > list as well as extra money if she sees a good sale since she knows
>> > the prices and what we normally get as well as the variations in
>> > 'fun stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or
>> > access to the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.
>>
>> She doesn't have her own checking account????
>
> Times change and a 16yo with no job yet, wouldnt be able to fund a
> checking account.
>
>> I had my first bank account at 16 (by then I'd had paid jobs for
>> three years and needed somewhere to stash the loot). I left home for
>> university at 18 and managed all my own money and bills from my bank
>> account. So did all my student peers and my kids.
>
> Times change. I had one at 15 with my first job but we were a
> different era.
>

I didn't get one until I was 19.
>>
>> > 17 is the earliest cusp for shopping for a whole family.
>>
>> ! Some 17 yr olds are working; or raising their own families and
>> doing all the shopping and housework.
>
> Not as many now. They are less willing to hire at that age now (US).
>
>>
>> > If Julie's daughter is 17, then she's still in HS and some of you
>> > are pushing a bit too hard.
>>
>> I don't think going to the shops for your mother is pushing a 17 yr
>> old too hard.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> Maybe not in the UK but what is being asked for is more than just basic
> 'grab a loaf of bread' in this case.

Yep.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:17:42 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> Maybe not in the UK but what is being asked for is more than just basic
>> 'grab a loaf of bread' in this case.
>
> All of Julie's so called problems have answers. She simply doesn't
> want to do it. She'd rather complain to strangers on the internet.

WTF was I complaining about? I *wasn't*!