On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:37:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone? There's
> >> > no "log-on" required.
> >> >
> >> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
> >
> > Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
> > required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
>
> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.

So you connect dots to make a pattern. Equally as easy.

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sf

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:16:34 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > Tech, ok (geeks use teck and i am a geek). I dont use store apps
>> > though. Not worth the trouble. I use a web site for my main store
>> > and print a simple list of the sales items I want to check out.
>> > More doesnt fit me here.
>>
>> That's not what I'm talking about. Here is the app I use (basically
>> as a list). I don't do sales flyers, but if that's what floats your
>> boat - they have a section for them too. I am just starting to upload
>> recipes to this app, thinking when I'm out and about and the mood hits
>> that I want to make something specific at home, I'll know what out of
>> the ordinary ingredients I need. Don't know what you have in stock at
>> home? There's a section where you can list what's in your pantry. If
>> Julie wants to add something to the list after her DD has left for the
>> day or make an emergency addition, she can log in on her computer, add
>> the item to the list and it will sync with the app on her DD's phone.
>> There's something for every objection Julie has.
>>
>
> No thanks. That sort of app doesnt know what I have in my kitchen
> unless I tell it and that is way more PITA than just checking.
>
> You'd have to have a stock of less than 20 ingredients to make it work.
>
> I have 6 flour types alone.
>
> Good thought but doesnt work for us all.

Reminds me of when my dad first got a computer. I asked him what he used it
for? Besides games and the word processor, he used it to balance his
checkbook and keep track of his coupons. That meant not only entering in
every coupon but the expiration date too. Then removing the coupon from
inventory when it was used. That's too much work!

The only thing I do like that is to keep a supplement inventory. I didn't
do this prior and would sometimes run out of something or wind up with too
much of another. Things that come in a huge bottle, like Costco stuff are
only listed by name unless for some reason I have more than one. I mostly
get these things online and I do them up two weeks at a time. Since most
places ship quickly, I usually have enough leeway to go buy or order a
Costco item. Some things that they sell can only be gotten online. Some
things in smaller bottles are things that we use a lot of so I like to stock
up on sale. Unless the supplement is in a huge bottle, I like to keep one
extra. And if it is something that we both take I will keep double the
amount.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:26:50 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> > On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:16:34 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Tech, ok (geeks use teck and i am a geek). I dont use store apps
>> > > though. Not worth the trouble. I use a web site for my main store
>> > > and print a simple list of the sales items I want to check out.
>> > > More doesnt fit me here.
>> >
>> > That's not what I'm talking about. Here is the app I use (basically
>> > as a list). I don't do sales flyers, but if that's what floats your
>> > boat - they have a section for them too. I am just starting to upload
>> > recipes to this app, thinking when I'm out and about and the mood hits
>> > that I want to make something specific at home, I'll know what out of
>> > the ordinary ingredients I need. Don't know what you have in stock at
>> > home? There's a section where you can list what's in your pantry. If
>> > Julie wants to add something to the list after her DD has left for the
>> > day or make an emergency addition, she can log in on her computer, add
>> > the item to the list and it will sync with the app on her DD's phone.
>> > There's something for every objection Julie has.
>> >
>>
>> No thanks. That sort of app doesnt know what I have in my kitchen
>> unless I tell it and that is way more PITA than just checking.
>>
>> You'd have to have a stock of less than 20 ingredients to make it work.
>>
>> I have 6 flour types alone.
>>
>> Good thought but doesnt work for us all.
>
> It works if you want it to work. For me, it's a needless feature.

It would seem to me like most people here are not interested in your app.
Glad it works for you but maybe you should stop pushing it.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:17:42 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe not in the UK but what is being asked for is more than just basic
>>> 'grab a loaf of bread' in this case.
>>
>> All of Julie's so called problems have answers. She simply doesn't
>> want to do it. She'd rather complain to strangers on the internet.
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> A lot of people do that, it's good therapy, and Julie doesn't usually ask
> for advice she just likes to vent as she's said many times.

Yes, that is how I take it.

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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Whilst I am not familiar with American law, I'm sure there must be
>>>>> > many 16 years olds living on their own without any regard to getting
>>>>> > 'emancipated', without issues. I moved out of home at age 16 myself
>>>>> > and know plenty of people who did likewise. I didn't find it very
>>>>> > difficult, I sure made some mistakes (like trying to make fried rice
>>>>> > without first boiling the rice, LOL) but in general never had any
>>>>> > real
>>>>> > problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many? Perhaps on the streets. A 16 year old here has a tough time
>>>>> getting
>>>>> a job and they would likely not get a lease anywhere to live. Things
>>>>> must
>>>>> be very different there.
>>>>
>>>> A 16 yr old here can join the military forces, have a bank account for
>>>> their pay, marry and have children. No need to go on the streets.
>>>
>>> Well they can't do that here. Must be 18 and have a GED or high school
>>> diploma as well as being in good shape physically.
>>
>> As I have said elsewhere, they must be 18 here before they can go into
>> active service.
>
> But then how could they join at 16? What would they be doing?

Usually trade apprentices. ie engineering, mechanics, fuel technicians,
joiners, all the basic trades. They also learn basic military skills, such
as weapon handling, field craft, drill etc.

People in the military don't spend all their time on the front line and
there are many times as many support personnel as there are attack troops.




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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:37:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone?
>> >> > There's
>> >> > no "log-on" required.
>> >> >
>> >> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
>> >
>> > Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
>> > required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
>>
>> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
>
> So you connect dots to make a pattern. Equally as easy.

What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must put
in when I use it.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Whilst I am not familiar with American law, I'm sure there must be
>>>>>> > many 16 years olds living on their own without any regard to
>>>>>> > getting
>>>>>> > 'emancipated', without issues. I moved out of home at age 16 myself
>>>>>> > and know plenty of people who did likewise. I didn't find it very
>>>>>> > difficult, I sure made some mistakes (like trying to make fried
>>>>>> > rice
>>>>>> > without first boiling the rice, LOL) but in general never had any
>>>>>> > real
>>>>>> > problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many? Perhaps on the streets. A 16 year old here has a tough time
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> a job and they would likely not get a lease anywhere to live. Things
>>>>>> must
>>>>>> be very different there.
>>>>>
>>>>> A 16 yr old here can join the military forces, have a bank account
>>>>> for
>>>>> their pay, marry and have children. No need to go on the streets.
>>>>
>>>> Well they can't do that here. Must be 18 and have a GED or high school
>>>> diploma as well as being in good shape physically.
>>>
>>> As I have said elsewhere, they must be 18 here before they can go into
>>> active service.
>>
>> But then how could they join at 16? What would they be doing?
>
> Usually trade apprentices. ie engineering, mechanics, fuel technicians,
> joiners, all the basic trades. They also learn basic military skills,
> such as weapon handling, field craft, drill etc.
>
> People in the military don't spend all their time on the front line and
> there are many times as many support personnel as there are attack troops.

Just wow! Of course I know they are not all on the front line. I know
plenty of military people and none of them were. But... I just can't even
fathom a 16 year old doing that kind of work. That would just never be
allowed here. We have very strict rules in this state about where 16 year
olds can work, and when they can work. Actually, not many places will hire
someone who is under the age of 18 and/or hasn't graduated yet. Most of the
stores will not. A few will and a few restaurants will. Here are the rules
for hiring teens in this state:

http://www.lni.wa.gov/ipub/700-022-000.pdf

We do have a high school program called ROTC. This explains it.

http://www.ehow.com/about_6536159_im...hool-rotc.html

I don't know if it is available everywhere. I don't remember it being
offered at the high school here but my daughter wouldn't be interested so I
didn't check. We did have it at my high school.

On 5/27/2015 11:20 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 5/26/2015 8:43 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or access
>>> to the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.
>>
>> You can add her as an authorized user on your credit
>> card to get her started on a credit score. I just did that
>> for my college student niece. I did not actually give her
>> the card or the number. Heh.

> Absolutely not. I will get her one once she is working and she has a
> basic debit card but not tied to more than what we put in it. In the
> mean time, we are managing to pay for her college by scrimping and
> saving.

The idea is to give her your credit score, assuming it's good
(no offense intended at all), not to provide her with the card
to use. If you know her SSN, she doesn't even need to know
about it.

Not trying to convince you if that rubs you the wrong way. I
did the same for my mother, though, as no one would give her
a credit card since she had no credit history at the age of 80.
She never actually used the card and she was able to get her
own card in a couple of months.

nancy

"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message ...
>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone? There's
>>>> no "log-on" required.
>>>>
>>> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
>>
>> Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
>> required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
>
> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.

On the cheaper 5c you can't, but you can on the 5s.
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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message ...
>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:37:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone? >> >> > There's
>>>>>> no "log-on" required.
>>>>>>
>>>>> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
>>>>
>>>> Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
>>>> required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
>>>
>>> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
>>
>> So you connect dots to make a pattern. Equally as easy.
>
> What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must
> put in when I use it.

You don't have to use a passcode if you find it cumbersome, that is your
choice.
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jinx the minx

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 9:49:12 AM UTC-4, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:

> > What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must
> > put in when I use it.
>
> You don't have to use a passcode if you find it cumbersome, that is your
> choice.

You're right about that. I've got an iPhone 5c and I disabled the
passcode. I don't live in a crime-ridden hellhole, so I'm not worried
about anyone else getting their hands on it.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2015-05-28 9:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> You're right about that. I've got an iPhone 5c and I disabled the
> passcode. I don't live in a crime-ridden hellhole, so I'm not worried
> about anyone else getting their hands on it.
>
I have a friend in Holland who was on vacation in Spain. Her iPhone was
stolen from her purse. The guys who stole it ran up over $1200 Euro in
phone charges that she ended up being on the hook for because the phone
was not locked.

Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 9:49:12 AM UTC-4, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>>> What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must
>>> put in when I use it.
>>
>> You don't have to use a passcode if you find it cumbersome, that is your
>> choice.
>
> You're right about that. I've got an iPhone 5c and I disabled the
> passcode. I don't live in a crime-ridden hellhole, so I'm not worried
> about anyone else getting their hands on it.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I don't use the passcode either.
--
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Whilst I am not familiar with American law, I'm sure there must be
>>>>>>> > many 16 years olds living on their own without any regard to
>>>>>>> > getting
>>>>>>> > 'emancipated', without issues. I moved out of home at age 16
>>>>>>> > myself
>>>>>>> > and know plenty of people who did likewise. I didn't find it very
>>>>>>> > difficult, I sure made some mistakes (like trying to make fried
>>>>>>> > rice
>>>>>>> > without first boiling the rice, LOL) but in general never had any
>>>>>>> > real
>>>>>>> > problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many? Perhaps on the streets. A 16 year old here has a tough time
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> a job and they would likely not get a lease anywhere to live.
>>>>>>> Things must
>>>>>>> be very different there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A 16 yr old here can join the military forces, have a bank account
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> their pay, marry and have children. No need to go on the streets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well they can't do that here. Must be 18 and have a GED or high
>>>>> school diploma as well as being in good shape physically.
>>>>
>>>> As I have said elsewhere, they must be 18 here before they can go into
>>>> active service.
>>>
>>> But then how could they join at 16? What would they be doing?
>>
>> Usually trade apprentices. ie engineering, mechanics, fuel technicians,
>> joiners, all the basic trades. They also learn basic military skills,
>> such as weapon handling, field craft, drill etc.
>>
>> People in the military don't spend all their time on the front line and
>> there are many times as many support personnel as there are attack
>> troops.
>
> Just wow! Of course I know they are not all on the front line. I know
> plenty of military people and none of them were. But... I just can't
> even fathom a 16 year old doing that kind of work. That would just never
> be allowed here.

What "kind of work" ... they are apprentices and in training. They will
have had 2 years training minimum before they go anywhere near active
service. When they leave the military they have had fine training to go into
jobs in civvi street too.



We have very strict rules in this state about where 16 year
> olds can work, and when they can work. Actually, not many places will
> hire someone who is under the age of 18 and/or hasn't graduated yet. Most
> of the stores will not. A few will and a few restaurants will. Here are
> the rules for hiring teens in this state:
>
> http://www.lni.wa.gov/ipub/700-022-000.pdf
>
> We do have a high school program called ROTC. This explains it.
>
> http://www.ehow.com/about_6536159_im...hool-rotc.html
>
> I don't know if it is available everywhere. I don't remember it being
> offered at the high school here but my daughter wouldn't be interested so
> I didn't check. We did have it at my high school.

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On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:41:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:51:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't ask for any solutions here sf.
>>
>> No. All you do is complain about every little mundane thing that
>> happens in your life.
>
>Most of the time I am just making comments and you see it as complaining.

ALL your posts are *negative* comments, ALL about NOT & CAN"T... not
liking, can't do/have... I've not yet seen you post anything positive,
you've never yet posted about anything you like/enjoy. Julie, face
facts, you are THE COMPLAINER EXTRORDINAIRE!

On Thu, 28 May 2015 08:53:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> A 16 yr old here can join the military forces, have a bank account for
> >>>> their pay, marry and have children. No need to go on the streets.
> >>>
> >>> Well they can't do that here. Must be 18 and have a GED or high school
> >>> diploma as well as being in good shape physically.
> >>
> >> As I have said elsewhere, they must be 18 here before they can go into
> >> active service.
> >
> > But then how could they join at 16? What would they be doing?
>
> Usually trade apprentices. ie engineering, mechanics, fuel technicians,
> joiners, all the basic trades. They also learn basic military skills, such
> as weapon handling, field craft, drill etc.
>
> People in the military don't spend all their time on the front line and
> there are many times as many support personnel as there are attack troops.

We have ROTC for high school and college students. Here's one at the
college level. https://www.afrotc.com/program-requirements

One of my son's friends did something similar, except he actually
enlisted in the Marines and graduated on their dime. After graduation
and basic training (+special services training), he went to flight
school, got to fly a harrier jet + whatever the newest one is called
and rose to the rank of colonel rather quickly. I've lost track of
what's happening with him other than he's still in the service and
happily married with at least one child.

--

sf

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:15:51 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-05-28 9:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > You're right about that. I've got an iPhone 5c and I disabled the
> > passcode. I don't live in a crime-ridden hellhole, so I'm not worried
> > about anyone else getting their hands on it.
> >
> I have a friend in Holland who was on vacation in Spain. Her iPhone was
> stolen from her purse. The guys who stole it ran up over $1200 Euro in
> phone charges that she ended up being on the hook for because the phone
> was not locked.

I feel sorry for her. I keep mine in my pants pocket, and I don't travel
anyplace besides Ann Arbor to Cincinnati (to visit my in-laws). I'm a real
homebody.

Cindy Hamilton

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 May 2015 08:53:20 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A 16 yr old here can join the military forces, have a bank account
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> their pay, marry and have children. No need to go on the streets.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well they can't do that here. Must be 18 and have a GED or high
>> >>> school
>> >>> diploma as well as being in good shape physically.
>> >>
>> >> As I have said elsewhere, they must be 18 here before they can go
>> >> into
>> >> active service.
>> >
>> > But then how could they join at 16? What would they be doing?
>>
>> Usually trade apprentices. ie engineering, mechanics, fuel technicians,
>> joiners, all the basic trades. They also learn basic military skills,
>> such
>> as weapon handling, field craft, drill etc.
>>
>> People in the military don't spend all their time on the front line and
>> there are many times as many support personnel as there are attack
>> troops.
>
> We have ROTC for high school and college students. Here's one at the
> college level. https://www.afrotc.com/program-requirements
>
> One of my son's friends did something similar, except he actually
> enlisted in the Marines and graduated on their dime. After graduation
> and basic training (+special services training), he went to flight
> school, got to fly a harrier jet + whatever the newest one is called
> and rose to the rank of colonel rather quickly. I've lost track of
> what's happening with him other than he's still in the service and
> happily married with at least one child.

Aye, it's not a bad life .. mostly)


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On Thu, 28 May 2015 16:26:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
> What "kind of work" ... they are apprentices and in training. They will
> have had 2 years training minimum before they go anywhere near active
> service. When they leave the military they have had fine training to go into
> jobs in civvi street too.

I think if that happened here, it would be more like a work/study
program where they had academics as well as the hands on training. We
used to have programs like that at the high school level. It was
called the 4-4 program when I was in HS. 4 hours of academics, 4
hours of work. That sort of practical experience for those who
weren't interested in higher education stopped at least 40 years ago.
Now everyone is expected to graduate from HS fully prepared for
college. Does that happen in RL? No, but it doesn't matter. That's
the focus of high school now.

Our traditional manufacturing jobs have steadily moved offshore, so
there are fewer and fewer of those jobs for those who are not
interested in higher education or 8 hours of sitting in an office.
Those who drop out of sunk. They need to start off by pushing a broom
or washing dishes and hope to start their own business someday.

We need to help students connect the dots about the new fields that
don't require hours sitting in an office. I once met a man who said
his job boiled down to making sure the sides of skyscrapers went up
straight and the math skills he used on the job were learned in his
high school trigonometry class. Jobs still exist for those without a
college degree, but they aren't the same jobs that used to be there.

The happy news is the community college system is there for those who
dropped out (and decided they wanted to do more with their lives).
Community colleges are there to help those (now over age 18) students
plug the gaps in academics and get some basic technical training + if
they're motivated, they can transfer their academic credits to a 4
year program. With any luck, community college will be free to all
students in the near future. It almost free here in California.
Tuition was held at $13 per unit for years, if not decades, and is
still low. Fees also add up, but the total pales in comparison to
what people have to pay even for a public college or university.

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sf

On Thu, 28 May 2015 05:39:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:37:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone?
> >> >> > There's
> >> >> > no "log-on" required.
> >> >> >
> >> >> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
> >> >
> >> > Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
> >> > required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
> >>
> >> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
> >
> > So you connect dots to make a pattern. Equally as easy.
>
> What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must put
> in when I use it.

So 4 digits is hard? Have you ever thought about making the time it
takes your phone to go to sleep longer? Is an iPhone is really that
far beyond your ability?

--

sf

On Thu, 28 May 2015 13:47:58 +0000 (UTC), jinx the minx
> wrote:

> You don't have to use a passcode if you find it cumbersome, that is your
> choice.

Everything is a problem. Log on my foot.

--

sf

On Thu, 28 May 2015 10:15:49 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2015-05-28 9:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > You're right about that. I've got an iPhone 5c and I disabled the
> > passcode. I don't live in a crime-ridden hellhole, so I'm not worried
> > about anyone else getting their hands on it.
> >
> I have a friend in Holland who was on vacation in Spain. Her iPhone was
> stolen from her purse. The guys who stole it ran up over $1200 Euro in
> phone charges that she ended up being on the hook for because the phone
> was not locked.

She wasn't home. Cindy is smart enough to take precautions when she's
in Europe.

--

sf

On Thu, 28 May 2015 13:47:57 +0000 (UTC), jinx the minx
> wrote:

> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > "sf" > wrote in message ...
> >> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone? There's
> >>>> no "log-on" required.
> >>>>
> >>> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
> >>
> >> Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
> >> required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
> >
> > Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
>
> On the cheaper 5c you can't, but you can on the 5s.

It's still not a log on. It's a simple passcode, which is apparently
a BFD in Julie's world.

--

sf

On Wed, 27 May 2015 23:49:07 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > It works if you want it to work. For me, it's a needless feature.
>
> It would seem to me like most people here are not interested in your app.
> Glad it works for you but maybe you should stop pushing it.

I'm not pushing "my" app. There are a billion of them out there. Use
Google Keep, use something that came on that precious iPhone you can't
use to any effect. Why you have one is beyond me. You can use a
pencil and paper as long as your DD is shopping independently, but you
reject that notion too.

Complain (which some think of as "venting") elsewhere.

--

sf

sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2015 05:39:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:37:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone?
>>>>>>> There's
>>>>>>> no "log-on" required.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
>>>>> required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
>>>>
>>>> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
>>>
>>> So you connect dots to make a pattern. Equally as easy.
>>
>> What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must put
>> in when I use it.
>
> So 4 digits is hard? Have you ever thought about making the time it
> takes your phone to go to sleep longer? Is an iPhone is really that
> far beyond your ability?


Let's face facts: Julie is just too plain lazy to type in a code, and too
lazy to do anything about it.
--
jinx the minx

In article >, says...


> Who said that I wanted to make my life easier? Not me!

Of course you don't; then you'd have nothing to whine about.

Janet UK

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 May 2015 16:26:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> What "kind of work" ... they are apprentices and in training. They will
>> have had 2 years training minimum before they go anywhere near active
>> service. When they leave the military they have had fine training to go
>> into
>> jobs in civvi street too.
>
> I think if that happened here, it would be more like a work/study
> program where they had academics as well as the hands on training. We
> used to have programs like that at the high school level. It was
> called the 4-4 program when I was in HS. 4 hours of academics, 4
> hours of work. That sort of practical experience for those who
> weren't interested in higher education stopped at least 40 years ago.
> Now everyone is expected to graduate from HS fully prepared for
> college. Does that happen in RL? No, but it doesn't matter. That's
> the focus of high school now.

The youth entry/apprentices have the opportunity to do further academic
training and it is encouraged but it is only compulsory for those who need
it for aspects of their apprenticeships. Most often that is in English and
various aspects of mathematics but also in some aspects of science for some
trades. Then there are the Officer Cadets who will go through a different
system of training, which can include appropriate subject training for those
who want to go into a technical trade, and either they or others may be
supported through university. While at university their concentration will
be on their studies but some weekends and time during the summer break will
be spent on military training.



> Our traditional manufacturing jobs have steadily moved offshore, so
> there are fewer and fewer of those jobs for those who are not
> interested in higher education or 8 hours of sitting in an office.
> Those who drop out of sunk. They need to start off by pushing a broom
> or washing dishes and hope to start their own business someday.
>
> We need to help students connect the dots about the new fields that
> don't require hours sitting in an office. I once met a man who said
> his job boiled down to making sure the sides of skyscrapers went up
> straight and the math skills he used on the job were learned in his
> high school trigonometry class. Jobs still exist for those without a
> college degree, but they aren't the same jobs that used to be there.

I think standards have gone down everywhere. When I see exam papers now ...
the young of today wouldn't have a clue what to do with the ones we had.

> The happy news is the community college system is there for those who
> dropped out (and decided they wanted to do more with their lives).
> Community colleges are there to help those (now over age 18) students
> plug the gaps in academics and get some basic technical training + if
> they're motivated, they can transfer their academic credits to a 4
> year program. With any luck, community college will be free to all
> students in the near future. It almost free here in California.
> Tuition was held at $13 per unit for years, if not decades, and is
> still low. Fees also add up, but the total pales in comparison to
> what people have to pay even for a public college or university.

Free in Scotland ... big money in England. I think I mentioned in the past,
a young woman who worked with me. She was pretty much alone in life with no
money to come from anywhere. She had free uni tuition and support and is
now a Chartered surveyor. The English end up with huge bills to pay for
their education.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Fri, 29 May 2015 07:00:16 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> On Thu, 28 May 2015 10:17:14 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 28 May 2015 05:39:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:37:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone?
> >> >> >> > There's
> >> >> >> > no "log-on" required.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
> >> >> > required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
> >> >>
> >> >> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
> >> >
> >> > So you connect dots to make a pattern. Equally as easy.
> >>
> >> What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must put
> >> in when I use it.
> >
> >So 4 digits is hard? Have you ever thought about making the time it
> >takes your phone to go to sleep longer? Is an iPhone is really that
> >far beyond your ability?
>
> rec.busybodies

rec.foolswhocan'tuseiPhones



--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Whilst I am not familiar with American law, I'm sure there must
>>>>>>>> > be
>>>>>>>> > many 16 years olds living on their own without any regard to
>>>>>>>> > getting
>>>>>>>> > 'emancipated', without issues. I moved out of home at age 16
>>>>>>>> > myself
>>>>>>>> > and know plenty of people who did likewise. I didn't find it very
>>>>>>>> > difficult, I sure made some mistakes (like trying to make fried
>>>>>>>> > rice
>>>>>>>> > without first boiling the rice, LOL) but in general never had any
>>>>>>>> > real
>>>>>>>> > problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many? Perhaps on the streets. A 16 year old here has a tough time
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>> a job and they would likely not get a lease anywhere to live.
>>>>>>>> Things must
>>>>>>>> be very different there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A 16 yr old here can join the military forces, have a bank account
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> their pay, marry and have children. No need to go on the streets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well they can't do that here. Must be 18 and have a GED or high
>>>>>> school diploma as well as being in good shape physically.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have said elsewhere, they must be 18 here before they can go
>>>>> into active service.
>>>>
>>>> But then how could they join at 16? What would they be doing?
>>>
>>> Usually trade apprentices. ie engineering, mechanics, fuel technicians,
>>> joiners, all the basic trades. They also learn basic military skills,
>>> such as weapon handling, field craft, drill etc.
>>>
>>> People in the military don't spend all their time on the front line and
>>> there are many times as many support personnel as there are attack
>>> troops.
>>
>> Just wow! Of course I know they are not all on the front line. I know
>> plenty of military people and none of them were. But... I just can't
>> even fathom a 16 year old doing that kind of work. That would just never
>> be allowed here.
>
> What "kind of work" ... they are apprentices and in training. They will
> have had 2 years training minimum before they go anywhere near active
> service. When they leave the military they have had fine training to go
> into jobs in civvi street too.

Yes but if it is trade type work, that likely wouldn't be allowed here at
that age. Because they could get injured.
>
>
>
> We have very strict rules in this state about where 16 year
>> olds can work, and when they can work. Actually, not many places will
>> hire someone who is under the age of 18 and/or hasn't graduated yet.
>> Most of the stores will not. A few will and a few restaurants will.
>> Here are the rules for hiring teens in this state:
>>
>> http://www.lni.wa.gov/ipub/700-022-000.pdf
>>
>> We do have a high school program called ROTC. This explains it.
>>
>> http://www.ehow.com/about_6536159_im...hool-rotc.html
>>
>> I don't know if it is available everywhere. I don't remember it being
>> offered at the high school here but my daughter wouldn't be interested so
>> I didn't check. We did have it at my high school.
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 May 2015 16:26:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> What "kind of work" ... they are apprentices and in training. They will
>> have had 2 years training minimum before they go anywhere near active
>> service. When they leave the military they have had fine training to go
>> into
>> jobs in civvi street too.
>
> I think if that happened here, it would be more like a work/study
> program where they had academics as well as the hands on training. We
> used to have programs like that at the high school level. It was
> called the 4-4 program when I was in HS. 4 hours of academics, 4
> hours of work. That sort of practical experience for those who
> weren't interested in higher education stopped at least 40 years ago.
> Now everyone is expected to graduate from HS fully prepared for
> college. Does that happen in RL? No, but it doesn't matter. That's
> the focus of high school now.
>
> Our traditional manufacturing jobs have steadily moved offshore, so
> there are fewer and fewer of those jobs for those who are not
> interested in higher education or 8 hours of sitting in an office.
> Those who drop out of sunk. They need to start off by pushing a broom
> or washing dishes and hope to start their own business someday.
>
> We need to help students connect the dots about the new fields that
> don't require hours sitting in an office. I once met a man who said
> his job boiled down to making sure the sides of skyscrapers went up
> straight and the math skills he used on the job were learned in his
> high school trigonometry class. Jobs still exist for those without a
> college degree, but they aren't the same jobs that used to be there.
>
> The happy news is the community college system is there for those who
> dropped out (and decided they wanted to do more with their lives).
> Community colleges are there to help those (now over age 18) students
> plug the gaps in academics and get some basic technical training + if
> they're motivated, they can transfer their academic credits to a 4
> year program. With any luck, community college will be free to all
> students in the near future. It almost free here in California.
> Tuition was held at $13 per unit for years, if not decades, and is
> still low. Fees also add up, but the total pales in comparison to
> what people have to pay even for a public college or university.

I also think it depends on what part of the country you live in. My husband
learned brick laying when he was in high school. We have nothing like that
here. My school did have an auto shop class but I don't think they actually
worked on vehicles. It was more observation. Some schools have farming
type classes.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 23:49:07 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > It works if you want it to work. For me, it's a needless feature.
>>
>> It would seem to me like most people here are not interested in your app.
>> Glad it works for you but maybe you should stop pushing it.
>
> I'm not pushing "my" app. There are a billion of them out there. Use
> Google Keep, use something that came on that precious iPhone you can't
> use to any effect. Why you have one is beyond me. You can use a
> pencil and paper as long as your DD is shopping independently, but you
> reject that notion too.
>
> Complain (which some think of as "venting") elsewhere.

sf, I don't want *any* kind of an app. Now perhaps this will shut you up
about it. I did ask Angela about using the app. Not only did she say she
would not use it but she also would not take my list to the store. She said
she would take a pic of the list. So there you go. This is what they teach
in high school these days. Take a pic of it then you have no excuses.
Unless of course your phone breaks because it would seem that when you get a
new one, you lose all of your pics unless you have uploaded them elsewhere.

I didn't buy my phone to use with apps. I do think it is nice to be able to
access the Internet when I am away from home if I need to. I rarely do
that. In fact I rarely use my cell phone at all. I rarely use my GPS
either. I rarely wear a dress. Or a coat. But all of these things are
nice to have if I need them.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:37:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone? >> >> >
>>>>>>> There's
>>>>>>> no "log-on" required.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
>>>>> required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
>>>>
>>>> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
>>>
>>> So you connect dots to make a pattern. Equally as easy.
>>
>> What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must
>> put in when I use it.
>
> You don't have to use a passcode if you find it cumbersome, that is your
> choice.

The passcode is there for a reason.

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 9:49:12 AM UTC-4, Jinx the Minx wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> > What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must
>> > put in when I use it.
>>
>> You don't have to use a passcode if you find it cumbersome, that is your
>> choice.
>
> You're right about that. I've got an iPhone 5c and I disabled the
> passcode. I don't live in a crime-ridden hellhole, so I'm not worried
> about anyone else getting their hands on it.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Well you'd be a fool to not have a pass code here!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-05-28 9:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> You're right about that. I've got an iPhone 5c and I disabled the
>> passcode. I don't live in a crime-ridden hellhole, so I'm not worried
>> about anyone else getting their hands on it.
>>
> I have a friend in Holland who was on vacation in Spain. Her iPhone was
> stolen from her purse. The guys who stole it ran up over $1200 Euro in
> phone charges that she ended up being on the hook for because the phone
> was not locked.

Yep!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 May 2015 13:47:58 +0000 (UTC), jinx the minx
> > wrote:
>
>> You don't have to use a passcode if you find it cumbersome, that is your
>> choice.
>
> Everything is a problem. Log on my foot.

No thank you. I just don't like apps, sf. This rather reminds me of the
story I was told about a friend that my husband had in high school. I never
met the guy. His other friends pointed to a road. They said if the guy
wanted to cross the road, instead of just walking across it, he would do all
sorts of things in a MacGyver like fashion. Like dig a secret tunnel under
the road, or find some rope and loop it up over things, securing it then use
the rope to climb over the road. In many cases those are what apps are like
to me. Ways to make things more difficult and time consuming.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 May 2015 05:39:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:37:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone?
>> >> >> > There's
>> >> >> > no "log-on" required.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
>> >> >
>> >> > Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
>> >> > required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
>> >>
>> >> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
>> >
>> > So you connect dots to make a pattern. Equally as easy.
>>
>> What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must
>> put
>> in when I use it.
>
> So 4 digits is hard? Have you ever thought about making the time it
> takes your phone to go to sleep longer? Is an iPhone is really that
> far beyond your ability?

See there! I say one thing and you make it into another. I didn't say that
it was hard. I have the code on there for a reason and the timing is on
there also for a reason. I don't have problems with the phone and I don't
want your stinking app or any other!

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> sf > wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 May 2015 05:39:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:37:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone?
>>>>>>>> There's
>>>>>>>> no "log-on" required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
>>>>>> required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
>>>>
>>>> So you connect dots to make a pattern. Equally as easy.
>>>
>>> What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must
>>> put
>>> in when I use it.
>>
>> So 4 digits is hard? Have you ever thought about making the time it
>> takes your phone to go to sleep longer? Is an iPhone is really that
>> far beyond your ability?
>
>
> Let's face facts: Julie is just too plain lazy to type in a code, and too
> lazy to do anything about it.

You're doing it too! Of course I can type in the code. Do I like cell
phones? No! I hate them on many levels. But alas in today's society they
are necessary. And my words are exactly what I mean. Do not twist them
into something else. Now why don't you go put some pantyhose on and bake
something from scratch!

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 28 May 2015 10:17:14 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 28 May 2015 05:39:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:37:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >> > On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone?
>>> >> >> > There's
>>> >> >> > no "log-on" required.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
>>> >> > required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
>>> >>
>>> >> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
>>> >
>>> > So you connect dots to make a pattern. Equally as easy.
>>>
>>> What *are* you talking about? My phone has a 4 digit code that I must
>>> put
>>> in when I use it.
>>
>>So 4 digits is hard? Have you ever thought about making the time it
>>takes your phone to go to sleep longer? Is an iPhone is really that
>>far beyond your ability?
>
> rec.busybodies

Apparently so! I'm going out to buy bread. That's right. Buy it. All of
a sudden, someone else in the house decided to eat bread. So my little loaf
is all gone. I did a big shop yesterday so probably don't need anything
else unless I see something of interest. I'll be going to Central Market in
case anyone cares.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/27/2015 11:20 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On 5/26/2015 8:43 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>>> stuff'. She is however a college student with no credit or access
>>>> to the checking account so I'd need to send her with cash.
>>>
>>> You can add her as an authorized user on your credit
>>> card to get her started on a credit score. I just did that
>>> for my college student niece. I did not actually give her
>>> the card or the number. Heh.
>
>> Absolutely not. I will get her one once she is working and she has a
>> basic debit card but not tied to more than what we put in it. In the
>> mean time, we are managing to pay for her college by scrimping and
>> saving.
>
> The idea is to give her your credit score, assuming it's good
> (no offense intended at all), not to provide her with the card
> to use. If you know her SSN, she doesn't even need to know
> about it.
>
> Not trying to convince you if that rubs you the wrong way. I
> did the same for my mother, though, as no one would give her
> a credit card since she had no credit history at the age of 80.
> She never actually used the card and she was able to get her
> own card in a couple of months.

I don't see why I should do that. Rather seems like cheating. I managed to
build up my own credit score rather quickly. I imagine she should do the
same. Otherwise how will she learn? Get a few store or gas cards. Charge
some things and pay off the bill. Then get a Visa card. She can easily get
one through BECU where she has had her savings account since birth.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 13:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Log into the phone? What's so hard about unlocking a phone? There's
>>>>> no "log-on" required.
>>>>>
>>>> There is on my phone! You obviously don't have an Iphone.
>>>
>>> Both of my kids and their spouses have iPhones. No log in is
>>> required. *Unlock* it via thumbprint. Easy.
>>
>> Can't do that on an Iphone 5.
>
> On the cheaper 5c you can't, but you can on the 5s.

I don't think mine has a letter. It's just a 5.