Janet B wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 25 May 2015 01:03:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > On 5/25/2015 12:52 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
> >> On Sun, 24 May 2015 21:09:07 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > >> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> >>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> On 5/24/2015 9:07 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >>>>> Not only that but time is money. Takes a long time to make
> bread if you >>>>> don't have the machine and... People who quote
> prices like that likely >>>>> aren't factoring in the price of
> electricity or water and soap to clean >>>>> the dishes and pans.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> >>>> Very valid point. That store bought bread is also more costly
> than the >>>> sticker price when you factor in the cost of operating
> your vehicle and >>>> the time to go get it.
> > > >
> >>> If you have to do that.
> > >
> >> And you HAVE to go to the store for the ingredients to make bread
> if >> that's what you want to do.
> > >
> >> I don't drive, so I take a bus, same price if I get bread or a
> list of >> things to make bread.
> > >
> >
> > Buy a 10 lb bag of flour and some years and you are set for weeks.
> >
> > Everything has a cost, but some can be moderated.
>
> A 50 pound bag is a lot cheaper and can be used up in short time if
> you bake bread weekly. Probably about $19.
> Janet US

Yup. 5 lbs of flour yields 20 cups so if you multiply that out with 4
cups per large loaf, you get 50 loaves for 38cents each and the small
cost of a little sugar, salt and yeast.

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The Other Guy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 24 May 2015 20:17:57 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Beans, rice, cheaper fresh veggies, and a hot dog a night of the
> > cheap sort would be 9$ a week. 9.45 if you added home made bread.
> > Not balanced at all but you'd make it for a time on it.
>
> An 8 pack of nasty cheap hotdogs would cost $4, good ones $5,
> why cheap out THAT much?
>
> And HOW healthy would a person be on THAT diet, after a month,
> or a year??
>
> Let alone, how HUNGRY?
>
>
>
>
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Trimming too much can get you in trouble. This time you trimmed a
reply where Julie said you had to eat cheap hot dogs to hit 30$ a month
per person and i showed, no that is more like 9$.

Look before you trim ok?

Carol

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On Mon, 25 May 2015 11:48:56 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:


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>I have a stack of 12 pack pepsi because Don is brand specific on that.
>It came up as buy 2, get 3 free and limit 10. I went 3 days in a row
>and got 30 at 1.96 a 12pack. That will cover him for 3 a day a day for
>6 months. Thats really something you can only do though with
>significant storage room.

Snork! For a while, every year, Costco would have this coupon special
on name brand diced tomatoes cases -- BOGO and no limit )) I had
eighteen cases at one time. We use an awful lot of canned tomatoes
and I can't can them for that price. After a couple of years they got
wise to me and the others I would meet in the tomato aisle and still
had BOGO but limit 2. Darn
Janet US

On Sun, 24 May 2015 15:31:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
>> The Other Guy wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 15:08:41 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>
>>> > We do indeed spend wisely and fit the 30$ range per person. I hit
>>> > 100$ a month per person usually and yes, we have steak, shrimp, and
>>> > other goodies.
>>>
>>> The cheapest steak here is $6 a pound, and an edible steak is
>>> substantially more. I don't eat shrimp so can't say on that,
>>> but a loaf of decent (NOT fancy) bread is $5 when not on sale.
>>> Milk is $6 a half gallon. Potatoes were on sale today at 5
>>> pounds for $5. Green seedless grapes were $3 a pound, and
>>> tomatoes were $2.50 a pound on sale, usually $3 recently.
>>
>> Learn to cook. You can make that 5$ bread for 1.47 or a basic simple
>> one for as little as 45cents. It takes 5 minutes of your time to do it
>> with a 35$ breadmachine that lasts for 4-5 years of use 3 times a week.
>>
>> You dont need to eat a huge 14oz steak every night. Learn to make side
>> dishes. Dunno why your milk is double the price at ours but it's 4$
>> gallon here. I dont know many adults who drink enough of it to get
>> gallon sizes.
>>
>> What the heck on your potato prices? Its 2.97 for 8lbs here. Maybe
>> look around a bit better?
>
>Holy crap! Potatoes aren't nearly that cheap there. I don't think I have
>ever seen an 8 pound bag either.

I just saw potatoes for $1.97 for a 10lb bag (No Frills, Southeastern
Ontario). Didn't buy one because we didn't need any potatoes.

Doris

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>> That you spend more, doesnt mean you are spending wisely.
>> > >
>> > > Nor does it mean that I don't. I am no cheapskate! I do get the
>> > > Rosarita refried beans for 80 cents a can. That price probably
>> > > beats dried beans since I am not having to add seasonings or cook
>> > > them. But I also buy expensive olives sometimes, just because I
>> > > want them. And I am grateful that I can. There was a time when
>> > > I couldn't buy any kind of olives!
>> >
>> > Julie, some of us shop less often to it's easy to average it out. I
>> > tend to a big trip every 6 weeks. I run about 500$ and split that
>> > down, it's 27$ a week per person. That happens to include toilet
>> > paper, laundry detergent, and sundry things like shampoos.
>>
>> Every 6 weeks? I would have nowhere to store that much food!
>
> I thought you lived in a house? If so, yes you have room. We got
> shelving for te garage and when we converted that to a family room,
> made room for the shelving.

I do live in a house, and no, I do not have room for that much food. This
house has a small kitchen, very small dining room, very small living room,
small bathroom, two tiny bedrooms, a family room, a pretty bit bedroom, a
stupidly huge bathroom, laundyroom and a thing that they call a garage, but
only because it has a garage type door. It is stuffed full of things that I
am storing. We also have a rather useless , 400 sq. ft. back house that
mainly husband uses. Would not be a convenient place to store food and if
we did, it could only be canned goods.


> The key point is if you only get what you need that week, you will pay
> double in the long run.

Nonsense! That makes no sense whatever.
>
>> > The actual food would be about 400$. I make small ancillary trips
>> > for fresh veggies, buttermilk and such at the 2 week and 4 week
>> > point. Those cost 20-30$ or so. That works out as 25$ a week here
>> > per person but don't worry, the other 5$ per person per week finds
>> > a home with some sort of takeout.
>>
>> And I'm sure that the cost of living is much less where you are than
>> it is here.
>
> That is irrelevant. Cost of real food is mo more than 10% off of yours
> and we are talking food costs.

It is not irrelevant and I am certan that it is untrue.
>
>> > > Tonight's dinner is pizza and salad. Yes, I did buy a bag of
>> > > mixed greens just because that is likely the only salad we'll eat
>> > > this week. It was just enough for three. I added toppings based
>> > > on what people like. Black olives, plum tomatoes, celery, red
>> > > pepper, red onion. Would have been cucumber but the last little
>> > > piece had gone mushy.
>> > >
>> > > Whole wheat pizza crust made from scratch. I did purchase the
>> > > sauce. Yes, I know I could have made it but stuff came up, and
>> > > husband wanted to eat right away so I just bought sauce when I
>> > > went to the store. Expensive sauce. Not the most expensive I
>> > > have bought but it was $4.99 for the two pizzas. Theirs has a
>> > > combination of Western Family (cheap) mozzarella and a small
>> > > amount of leftover medium priced, mixed Italian cheeses and some
>> > > very expensive, uncured pepperoni. Mine has Daiya (dairy free)
>> > > cheese, red onion, fresh tomato slices and pine nuts.
>> >
>> > I use the weekends and make pizza sauce that is better than the jar.
>> > If you used the whole 4.99 jar on just 2 pizzas, theyd be swimming
>> > in sauce so much you'd have to eat it with a spoon..
>>
>> Not true at all. The jar was small. I like a lot of sauce. They
>> don't. Occurred to me later that I should have bought another jar
>> because I like to dip my pizza in it as well.
>
>
> Seriously? Ok, to make 16oz sauce, add 35 cents.

I was not going to make the sauce. Again, I am not just about cheap.
>
>
>> >
>> > At the most sloppy pizza, you'd get 4 to 6 pizzas from that jar.
>> > Me, I take 1.50 (BOGO) worth of 28 oz cans, spice and reduce them
>> > for a really better sauce than I can buy. I start with 48 oz there
>> > and reduce to about 32 and make some spagetti with 12 oz of it then
>> > reduce the rest to a serious thick pizza sauce that peaks when
>> > stirred and use that for pizza. For about 1.70 (includes price of
>> > spices) I get 4 pizzas and a big pot of spagetti.
>>
>> Nope. This jar wasn't anywhere near that big. It was the San
>> Marzano kind. As I said... I didn't have time to reduce a sauce.
>> And we don't often eat spaghetti. That is not planned at all in the
>> coming week so didn't need any more sauce. None of us are big on
>> pasta.
>
> Ok above you needed more sauce and here you don't and you do not add a
> jar size. How about come back when you want to talk about cooking or
> saving money because I am over this thread.

That didn't even make sense. Let me see if I can find the jar online. I am
not going to dig through the recycle. 14 oz. I did not go back for extra
sauce. I would have loved to have had some for dipping but... Oh well!
And I wish that you would be over this thread. You are being very
patronizing. You also can not tell me where and when I can post. And this
thread wasn't about saving money. It was about the high prices of the one
store.
>
>
>
>> >
>> > Lets add 45cents for the 2 pizzas dough, 30 cents worth of pasta for
>> > the spagetti. 2.45. Bell peppers, 2 for 1.26. An onion, .15
>> > bought in bags, sliced pepperoni at 3.69 a bag covers 6 pizzas
>> > (really more but we'll pretend) so add 1.23. You are at 5.09
>> > cents. Each pizza feeds 3 and the spagetti has 6 servings. 12
>> > servings total. 42 cents a serving. Plenty of room to add some
>> > meatballs or whatever else like cheese to the pizza. 2 cups grated
>> > cheese here commonly on sale 3 for 5$ for example which is 1.66 a
>> > bag and you need 1 cup per pizza for an extra 83 cents a pizza but
>> > that gets split 3 ways for a 27cent cost per serving per person.
>>
>> My pepperoni was uncured and cost far more than that. I think it was
>> $8.99. The slices were huge! I had to seriously overlap them to get
>> it all to fit on the one pizza. I won't eat the stuff. Okay. I
>> assume that your family likes spaghetti. That isn't the case here.
>> Once in a while I will eat it myself but the others won't usually
>> willingly eat it. I think I made too much pasta over the years and
>> we all got burned out on it. Husband will eat meatballs. Daughter
>> won't and I can't. Cheese is rarely ever that cheap here. More like
>> $3 a bag when on sale and that's for the store brand.
>> >
>> > Pizza is now at 69 cents a serving.
>> >
>> > If you noticed, I cheated, See I added money for 4 pizzas and would
>> > have had leftover pizza fixings there. Specifically, sauce.
>>
>> Lovely. But I couldn't do that. No place to put the other pizzas
>> and they would surely go bad before they were eaten.
>> >
>> >
>> > > I looked at potato prices. The only one I remember was for the
>> > > bulk russets at 98 cents per pound. I did not buy any. I did buy
>> > > black grapes and cherries. Cherries were $9.98 per pound. I
>> > > only bought them because husband ripped through the last bag that
>> > > I got in no time flat. I prefer to buy food that they will eat
>> > > and not have to throw things out.
>> >
>> > Nothing wrong with that Julie but bulk potatoes are always a good
>> > thing to have about. I have a potato bin that will hold 8 lbs with
>> > room to spare and it has a compartment to hold onions (3lb bag is
>> > just right).
>>
>> I have a bin too but I can not eat potatoes and the others aren't big
>> into them so I rarely make them. Learned to buy as needed or they
>> will sprout.
>> >
>> >
>> > > I do like to save money on many things. However there are other
>> > > things where I prefer to buy really good stuff. One of those
>> > > things is meat. I don't see too much difference with canned
>> > > beans but when it comes to the refried, there were a few I did
>> > > not like at all because they were runny. I don't see much
>> > > difference with most canned vegetables. Tomatoes can be an
>> > > exception. I do think when it comes to some tomato products, some
>> > > are superior but that's not always what I buy.
>> >
>> > Red-gold brand tomatoes are really good and lower in sodium.
>> > Furmanos works for me very well.
>>
>> I have not seen either brand here. I often buy the store brand.
>> >
>> > Meantime, we cooked up 8 pork loin (boneless) 1 inch thick steaks, 3
>> > lbs wahoo (Don catches this of the coast of mexico and we have it
>> > professionally cleaned and frozen then shipped back), and i am
>> > about to start a chicken soup from a 3lb chicken in the crockpot.
>> > I won't detail the cost this time but it works out to about 47cents
>> > a 1 cup hearty serving.
>>
>> Okay. Pork loin will not get eaten here. Only pork I eat is really
>> crispy bacon. The others aren't much into pork. They will eat a
>> chop or ham once or twice a year but not loin.
>> >
>> > If wondering on the fish, when you add the cost for the fishing
>> > trip, cost of tickets and hotel, and professional cleaning, packing
>> > and shipping, the fish is 2.41lb. Professionally packed and
>> > shipped, it will last for 2 years.
>>
>> I'm sure that my husband could get fish for cheap. He works right on
>> the water. We just don't eat the stuff. And he shouldn't eat much
>> due to the gout.
>> >
>> > The point isnt that you are 'wrong' so much as not looking at it
>> > right for savings I think.
>> > Carol
>>
>> I could never do what you do. I have no pantry and not a lot of room
>> for storing food. I have to store the bulk of my canned goods in the
>> garage. I can not put anything out there that animals might get
>> into. I have to put things like pretzels, chips and cereal in the
>> dining room. None of my cupboards are big enough to accommodate it
>> except for very small boxes of cereal.
>
> Enjoy your excuses and do not ask for help again on how to cut the
> bills since you do not even remotely try to listen.

Did I ask for help here? No. I did not. For some reason, just like
always, you assumed something that simply wasn't true. I don't want or need
to listen to you because of the way you speak to people. And it wasn't just
me! You did it to that other guy who is even older than me and been cooking
for longer. You just assume that we are stupid and need help.

You claim to have been in the military so you would *have* to know that food
prices and situations are different, depending on where you live. When I
lived in NY, I could get bell peppers for dirt cheap year round. Some other
veggies were super cheap too so we ate a lot of them. And for as much as I
love bell peppers they are never as cheap here nor were they when I lived in
CA. In fact they are often far more expensive. So we eat far less of them.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Christopher Helms wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:08:44 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>> > Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, 24 May 2015 08:52:54 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "Christopher Helms" wrote:
>> > > >> > It's a lot easier to spend a hundred dollars on groceries
>> > > than it used to >> > be. I try to stay under thirty dollars per
>> > > trip and it seems to require a >> > little more creativity every
>> > > month. >>
>> > > >> $30 would only buy maybe one meal here.
>> > > >
>> > > > No way, Julie. I also spend about $30 per week or a little bit
>> > > > more. That's just for me though. There's no way you are
>> > > > spending $30 per MEAL for your family of 3 that don't like most
>> > > > foods.
>> > >
>> > > I can get 2-3 days for $30 but that's really scrimping, and my
>> > > cats wouldn't eat. I think the people who claim they can eat all
>> > > week on $30 don't eat very well, or they're lousy at math, or
>> > > they lie. Maybe some people don't include condiments, snacks,
>> > > fresh fruit and vegetables, beverages, and they live on $1/lb
>> > > tube steak... yes there are $1/lb 'meat' tube steaks in the flyer
>> > > this week, one can only imagine. Top round beef (not a pricey
>> > > cut) runs minimally $5/lb nowadays, feeding two adults a four
>> > > pound roast lasts three days here, plus there are salads, sides,
>> > > snacks, beverages, etc. A 4 pound roast barely yields two pounds
>> > > of edible meat, I don't consider that a lot for six adult
>> > > meals... and that's just dinner, what about food for th erest of
>> > > the day? I think those with small grocery bills don't do much
>> > > cooking, they eat out and do take out a lot. I know people who
>> > > don't even have coffee in their house, not even a coffee pot,
>> > > they buy lots of coffee out but don't include that in their
>> > > grocery bill, not the donuts either... they can drop $30 a week
>> > > at Dunkin Donuts easy, that's $30 per person. I shop often, I've
>> > > yet to see anyone with a weeks worth of groceries in their cart
>> > > for $30, what do your think a pound of bacon, a dozen eggs, a
>> > > loaf of bread, a jar of grape jelly, a jar of peanut butter, a
>> > > gallon of milk, and three pounds of apples costs, about $30 and
>> > > that's not eating very well. The way many here drool over bacon,
>> > > fresh seafood, real maple syrup, premium ice cream, polish
>> > > butcher kielbasa, stinkin' lamb, ribeyes and the like no way can
>> > > they get by on less than $30 a day. I won't mention how many are
>> > > always boasting about their $30+ bottles of wine... I buy Crystal
>> > > Palace vodka and diet Coke and still my booze bill runs $20/wk.
>> > > Only way people can grocerey shop for $30/wk is they ain't
>> > > mentioning their food stamps.
>> >
>> > Oh Sheldon lay off.
>> >
>> > Most people who use the roughly 30$ a week rule are buying staples
>> > and cooking them for real.
>>
>>
>> I can't speak for anyone else, but I try to make each $30 trip last
>> as long as possible, which is never for an entire week. It's just a
>> general rule I like to go by.
>
> Nothing wrong with that!
>
> Because we have a house and a spare chest freezer, we have storage room
> for maximum sales storage and we have a vacuum sealer so we don't waste
> meat that needed better sealing for a longer storage.
>
> I also use coupons to good effect (not 'oh I have a coupon, have to get
> that') by checking the alternative items to see if it will save me some
> or just give me a chance to try something new at a reasonable cost.
>
> I suspect my type of spending is easier to do with storage room so that
> '10$ for 10 cans' type works out. I do that if it is something we know
> we will use up in 6 months. It's usually something like 30% off when
> they do those.
>
> I have a stack of 12 pack pepsi because Don is brand specific on that.
> It came up as buy 2, get 3 free and limit 10. I went 3 days in a row
> and got 30 at 1.96 a 12pack. That will cover him for 3 a day a day for
> 6 months. Thats really something you can only do though with
> significant storage room.

Well there you go. Your prices are clearly much less than they are here.
The cheapest I have seen soda anywhere here was at Haggen and it was $2.47
with a coupon, limit of 3. I had no way of getting another coupon so I
couldn't go back for more.

The going sale prices around here are usually 3 or 4 for $11 or $12. I did
get Pepsi at 3 for $10. I didn't buy too much though as it will go bad and
I won't drink it. I don't know what you are buying that is 10/$10. That may
or may not be a good deal.

"Janet B" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 25 May 2015 11:48:56 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>
> snip
>>I have a stack of 12 pack pepsi because Don is brand specific on that.
>>It came up as buy 2, get 3 free and limit 10. I went 3 days in a row
>>and got 30 at 1.96 a 12pack. That will cover him for 3 a day a day for
>>6 months. Thats really something you can only do though with
>>significant storage room.
>
> Snork! For a while, every year, Costco would have this coupon special
> on name brand diced tomatoes cases -- BOGO and no limit )) I had
> eighteen cases at one time. We use an awful lot of canned tomatoes
> and I can't can them for that price. After a couple of years they got
> wise to me and the others I would meet in the tomato aisle and still
> had BOGO but limit 2. Darn
> Janet US

When they do that, I donate a case to the food bank. Takes us about a year
to go through a case of tomatoes.

"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 01:03:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 5/25/2015 12:52 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 21:09:07 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 5/24/2015 9:07 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not only that but time is money. Takes a long time to make bread if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> don't have the machine and... People who quote prices like that
>>>>>> likely
>>>>>> aren't factoring in the price of electricity or water and soap to
>>>>>> clean
>>>>>> the dishes and pans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Very valid point. That store bought bread is also more costly than
>>>>> the
>>>>> sticker price when you factor in the cost of operating your vehicle
>>>>> and
>>>>> the time to go get it.
>>>>
>>>> If you have to do that.
>>>
>>> And you HAVE to go to the store for the ingredients to make bread if
>>> that's what you want to do.
>>>
>>> I don't drive, so I take a bus, same price if I get bread or a list of
>>> things to make bread.
>>>
>>
>>Buy a 10 lb bag of flour and some years and you are set for weeks.
>>
>>Everything has a cost, but some can be moderated.
>
> A 50 pound bag is a lot cheaper and can be used up in short time if
> you bake bread weekly. Probably about $19.
> Janet US

I would have no place to store such a bag and since I am pretty much the
only person that eats the bread that I bake, the flour would surely go
rancid before I used it up. I also do not think it is that cheap here.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
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> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "The Other Guy" > wrote in message
>> ... >On Sun, 24 May
>> 2015 16:37:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > The Other Guy wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > >
>> >>>On Sun, 24 May 2015 15:08:41 -0500, "cshenk" >
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> >>>> We do indeed spend wisely and fit the 30$ range per person. I
>> hit >>>> 100$ a month per person usually and yes, we have steak,
>> shrimp, and >>>> other goodies.
>> > > >
>> > > > The cheapest steak here is $6 a pound, and an edible steak is
>> > > > substantially more. I don't eat shrimp so can't say on that,
>> > > > but a loaf of decent (NOT fancy) bread is $5 when not on sale.
>> > > > Milk is $6 a half gallon. Potatoes were on sale today at 5
>> > > > pounds for $5. Green seedless grapes were $3 a pound, and
>> > > > tomatoes were $2.50 a pound on sale, usually $3 recently.
>> > >
>> > > Learn to cook. You can make that 5$ bread for 1.47 or a basic
>> > > simple one for as little as 45cents. It takes 5 minutes of your
>> > > time to do it with a 35$ breadmachine that lasts for 4-5 years of
>> > > use 3 times a week.
>> >
>> > I don't HAVE a bread machine, I don't have ROOM for a bread machine,
>> > and I don't WANT to make my own bread. Plus it takes more than just
>> > flour to make bread, and all the ingredients need to be stored
>> > somewhere.
>>
>> Not only that but time is money. Takes a long time to make bread if
>> you don't have the machine and... People who quote prices like that
>> likely aren't factoring in the price of electricity or water and soap
>> to clean the dishes and pans.
>
> Time isnt money if you do not work. I do work and even I can spend 5
> minutes making up good bread as an example.

In your opinion it is good. The bread that I make takes many hours. Not 5
minutes and as I have said many times before, I do not like bread from a
bread machine.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> >>> Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > > >
>> >>>>On Sun, 24 May 2015 08:52:54 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>>>>> "Christopher Helms" wrote:
>> >>>>>> > It's a lot easier to spend a hundred dollars on groceries
>> than >>>>it used to >> > be. I try to stay under thirty dollars per
>> trip and >>>>it seems to require a >> > little more creativity every
>> month. >>> > > >
>> >>>>>> $30 would only buy maybe one meal here.
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> No way, Julie. I also spend about $30 per week or a little bit
>> >>>>> more. That's just for me though. There's no way you are
>> spending >>>>> $30 per MEAL for your family of 3 that don't like most
>> foods. >>> >
>> >>> > I can get 2-3 days for $30 but that's really scrimping, and my
>> >>> > cats wouldn't eat. I think the people who claim they can eat
>> all >>> > week on $30 don't eat very well, or they're lousy at math,
>> or >>> > they lie. Maybe some people don't include condiments,
>> snacks, >>> > fresh fruit and vegetables, beverages, and they live on
>> $1/lb >>> > tube steak... yes there are $1/lb 'meat' tube steaks in
>> the flyer >>> > this week, one can only imagine. Top round beef (not
>> a pricey >>> > cut) runs minimally $5/lb nowadays, feeding two adults
>> a four >>> > pound roast lasts three days here, plus there are
>> salads, sides, >>> > snacks, beverages, etc. A 4 pound roast barely
>> yields two pounds >>> > of edible meat, I don't consider that a lot
>> for six adult >>> > meals... and that's just dinner, what about food
>> for th erest of >>> > the day? I think those with small grocery
>> bills don't do much >>> > cooking, they eat out and do take out a
>> lot. I know people who >>> > don't even have coffee in their house,
>> not even a coffee pot, >>> > they buy lots of coffee out but don't
>> include that in their >>> > grocery bill, not the donuts either...
>> they can drop $30 a week >>> > at Dunkin Donuts easy, that's $30 per
>> person. I shop often, I've >>> > yet to see anyone with a weeks
>> worth of groceries in their cart >>> > for $30, what do your think a
>> pound of bacon, a dozen eggs, a >>> > loaf of bread, a jar of grape
>> jelly, a jar of peanut butter, a >>> > gallon of milk, and three
>> pounds of apples costs, about $30 and >>> > that's not eating very
>> well. The way many here drool over bacon, >>> > fresh seafood, real
>> maple syrup, premium ice cream, polish >>> > butcher kielbasa,
>> stinkin' lamb, ribeyes and the like no way can >>> > they get by on
>> less than $30 a day. I won't mention how many are >>> > always
>> boasting about their $30+ bottles of wine... I buy Crystal >>> >
>> Palace vodka and diet Coke and still my booze bill runs $20/wk. >>>
>> > Only way people can grocerey shop for $30/wk is they ain't >>> >
>> mentioning their food stamps.
>> > > >
>> >>> Oh Sheldon lay off.
>> > > >
>> >>> Most people who use the roughly 30$ a week rule are buying staples
>> >>> and cooking them for real.
>> > >
>> > > I seriously doubt that. Or they are mostly eating beans and rice.
>> > > The steak I bought was just over $10 and that's a meal for two. I
>> > > also bought two packages of beef jerky. That's more than $30
>> > > right there! What in the world could a person be eating if they
>> > > claim to pay so little?
>> >
>> > REal food. Baked potatoes, steamed squash, home made cole slaw,
>> > chicken soup made from a real chicken in a crock pot, pulled
>> > southern BBQ pork, real bread, the list is endless.
>>
>> Pretty sure you would not be eating those things here. Not for $30 a
>> week. Most people wouldn't be eating Southern BBQ pork here anyway.
>
> Yes, we do. Souther BBQ pork is one of the least expensive meals you
> can make.
>
>> >>> The most expensive bread i know how to make is a 7 seed rye with
>> >>> buttermilk. It costs 1.47 for a 2 lb loaf (translation, 14
>> healthy >>> man sized rolls or 18 more regular ones). Now lets
>> assume the >>> biggr ones your eyes always go for ok? 1.47/3=.49
>> cents for the >>> whole lot per person. It is 10 cents a roll with 4
>> rolls each and >>> 2 left over. My regular bread costs 75cents for 5
>> cents a day of >>> bread each. My cheap bread costs 45cents. Same
>> yield.
>
>>
>> Okay then. I haven't made bread in a while. If I were to make two
>> loaves of bread with that flour it would have cost me $6 alone in
>> flour and that flour was on sale. I also have no clue how big a 2
>> pound loaf is. I never weighed my bread.
>
> What crazy flour are you getting? Tiy'd have to spend 12$ a lb to
> equal that cost.
>
> Come back when you aren't in exxaguration mode extremeo.
>
> Carol

I posted of that flour before. I actually thought I had already used it up,
but no. And I need the cupboard space. I got it when I was getting the CSA
packages. I don't remember the brand. It was whole wheat, bread flour and
it was on sale for I think $3. I knew I would be making bread so I bought
it. And then I discovered that few recipes called for this type of flour.
I am not exaggerating anything. You just simply don't believe people when
they say that something is different in their area, like food prices.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> The Other Guy wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 20:17:57 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > Beans, rice, cheaper fresh veggies, and a hot dog a night of the
>> > cheap sort would be 9$ a week. 9.45 if you added home made bread.
>> > Not balanced at all but you'd make it for a time on it.
>>
>> An 8 pack of nasty cheap hotdogs would cost $4, good ones $5,
>> why cheap out THAT much?
>>
>> And HOW healthy would a person be on THAT diet, after a month,
>> or a year??
>>
>> Let alone, how HUNGRY?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Trimming too much can get you in trouble. This time you trimmed a
> reply where Julie said you had to eat cheap hot dogs to hit 30$ a month
> per person and i showed, no that is more like 9$.
>
> Look before you trim ok?
>
> Carol

*I* am not the one who said that. I replied to someone who said that. I
said you would have to eat beans and rice.

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 15:31:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
>>> The Other Guy wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 15:08:41 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > We do indeed spend wisely and fit the 30$ range per person. I hit
>>>> > 100$ a month per person usually and yes, we have steak, shrimp, and
>>>> > other goodies.
>>>>
>>>> The cheapest steak here is $6 a pound, and an edible steak is
>>>> substantially more. I don't eat shrimp so can't say on that,
>>>> but a loaf of decent (NOT fancy) bread is $5 when not on sale.
>>>> Milk is $6 a half gallon. Potatoes were on sale today at 5
>>>> pounds for $5. Green seedless grapes were $3 a pound, and
>>>> tomatoes were $2.50 a pound on sale, usually $3 recently.
>>>
>>> Learn to cook. You can make that 5$ bread for 1.47 or a basic simple
>>> one for as little as 45cents. It takes 5 minutes of your time to do it
>>> with a 35$ breadmachine that lasts for 4-5 years of use 3 times a week.
>>>
>>> You dont need to eat a huge 14oz steak every night. Learn to make side
>>> dishes. Dunno why your milk is double the price at ours but it's 4$
>>> gallon here. I dont know many adults who drink enough of it to get
>>> gallon sizes.
>>>
>>> What the heck on your potato prices? Its 2.97 for 8lbs here. Maybe
>>> look around a bit better?
>>
>>Holy crap! Potatoes aren't nearly that cheap there. I don't think I have
>>ever seen an 8 pound bag either.
>
> I just saw potatoes for $1.97 for a 10lb bag (No Frills, Southeastern
> Ontario). Didn't buy one because we didn't need any potatoes.
>
> Doris

I just looked online at Safeway. An 8 pound bag is $4.39. 10 pound is
$3.89. Both russet, same brand. The larger bag may be on sale. 5 pound is
$3.29.

On 5/24/2015 8:02 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
(major snippage) . . . . and you either really don't understand
> economically shopping or you are making this stuff up. While
> i suspect the former, others will accuse you of the later.

By bove's own admission . . . . . .

On 5/24/2015 1:22 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Did I come here for knowledge? No.

Sky

On Mon, 25 May 2015 15:44:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>In your opinion it is good. The bread that I make takes many hours. Not 5
>minutes and as I have said many times before, I do not like bread from a
>bread machine.

So, you have somewhere to buy bread just like the bread that takes you
five hours to bake? If not, then the comparison is invalid.

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:49:00 AM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> Christopher Helms wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:08:44 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> > > Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 24 May 2015 08:52:54 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Christopher Helms" wrote:
> > > > >> > It's a lot easier to spend a hundred dollars on groceries
> > > > than it used to >> > be. I try to stay under thirty dollars per
> > > > trip and it seems to require a >> > little more creativity every
> > > > month. >>
> > > > >> $30 would only buy maybe one meal here.
> > > > >
> > > > > No way, Julie. I also spend about $30 per week or a little bit
> > > > > more. That's just for me though. There's no way you are
> > > > > spending $30 per MEAL for your family of 3 that don't like most
> > > > > foods.
> > > >
> > > > I can get 2-3 days for $30 but that's really scrimping, and my
> > > > cats wouldn't eat. I think the people who claim they can eat all
> > > > week on $30 don't eat very well, or they're lousy at math, or
> > > > they lie. Maybe some people don't include condiments, snacks,
> > > > fresh fruit and vegetables, beverages, and they live on $1/lb
> > > > tube steak... yes there are $1/lb 'meat' tube steaks in the flyer
> > > > this week, one can only imagine. Top round beef (not a pricey
> > > > cut) runs minimally $5/lb nowadays, feeding two adults a four
> > > > pound roast lasts three days here, plus there are salads, sides,
> > > > snacks, beverages, etc. A 4 pound roast barely yields two pounds
> > > > of edible meat, I don't consider that a lot for six adult
> > > > meals... and that's just dinner, what about food for th erest of
> > > > the day? I think those with small grocery bills don't do much
> > > > cooking, they eat out and do take out a lot. I know people who
> > > > don't even have coffee in their house, not even a coffee pot,
> > > > they buy lots of coffee out but don't include that in their
> > > > grocery bill, not the donuts either... they can drop $30 a week
> > > > at Dunkin Donuts easy, that's $30 per person. I shop often, I've
> > > > yet to see anyone with a weeks worth of groceries in their cart
> > > > for $30, what do your think a pound of bacon, a dozen eggs, a
> > > > loaf of bread, a jar of grape jelly, a jar of peanut butter, a
> > > > gallon of milk, and three pounds of apples costs, about $30 and
> > > > that's not eating very well. The way many here drool over bacon,
> > > > fresh seafood, real maple syrup, premium ice cream, polish
> > > > butcher kielbasa, stinkin' lamb, ribeyes and the like no way can
> > > > they get by on less than $30 a day. I won't mention how many are
> > > > always boasting about their $30+ bottles of wine... I buy Crystal
> > > > Palace vodka and diet Coke and still my booze bill runs $20/wk.
> > > > Only way people can grocerey shop for $30/wk is they ain't
> > > > mentioning their food stamps.
> > >
> > > Oh Sheldon lay off.
> > >
> > > Most people who use the roughly 30$ a week rule are buying staples
> > > and cooking them for real.
> >
> >
> > I can't speak for anyone else, but I try to make each $30 trip last
> > as long as possible, which is never for an entire week. It's just a
> > general rule I like to go by.
>
> Nothing wrong with that!
>
> Because we have a house and a spare chest freezer, we have storage room
> for maximum sales storage and we have a vacuum sealer so we don't waste
> meat that needed better sealing for a longer storage.
>
> I also use coupons to good effect (not 'oh I have a coupon, have to get
> that') by checking the alternative items to see if it will save me some
> or just give me a chance to try something new at a reasonable cost.
>
> I suspect my type of spending is easier to do with storage room so that
> '10$ for 10 cans' type works out. I do that if it is something we know
> we will use up in 6 months. It's usually something like 30% off when
> they do those.
>
> I have a stack of 12 pack pepsi because Don is brand specific on that.
> It came up as buy 2, get 3 free and limit 10. I went 3 days in a row
> and got 30 at 1.96 a 12pack. That will cover him for 3 a day a day for
> 6 months. Thats really something you can only do though with
> significant storage room.


You can definitely save some bucks by buying in bulk, if you're sure its something you're going to use. I try to do it, on a limited basis.

BTW, I just got back from the store, spent $25.00 and change, and that will get me to the weekend.

On Mon, 25 May 2015 09:46:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I could never do what you do. I have no pantry and not a lot of room for
>storing food. I have to store the bulk of my canned goods in the garage. I
>can not put anything out there that animals might get into.

So get some container that animals *can't* get into and store them in
the garage or wherever. Pretty obvious solution there.

>I have to put
>things like pretzels, chips and cereal in the dining room. None of my
>cupboards are big enough to accommodate it except for very small boxes of
>cereal.

Is your house a tent, or what?

On Mon, 25 May 2015 14:36:33 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

> On Mon, 25 May 2015 11:48:56 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>
> snip
> >I have a stack of 12 pack pepsi because Don is brand specific on that.
> >It came up as buy 2, get 3 free and limit 10. I went 3 days in a row
> >and got 30 at 1.96 a 12pack. That will cover him for 3 a day a day for
> >6 months. Thats really something you can only do though with
> >significant storage room.
>
> Snork! For a while, every year, Costco would have this coupon special
> on name brand diced tomatoes cases -- BOGO and no limit )) I had
> eighteen cases at one time. We use an awful lot of canned tomatoes
> and I can't can them for that price. After a couple of years they got
> wise to me and the others I would meet in the tomato aisle and still
> had BOGO but limit 2. Darn

I've never seen a BOGO offer at Costco!


--

sf

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 15:44:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>In your opinion it is good. The bread that I make takes many hours. Not
>>5
>>minutes and as I have said many times before, I do not like bread from a
>>bread machine.
>
> So, you have somewhere to buy bread just like the bread that takes you
> five hours to bake? If not, then the comparison is invalid.

Yes, I do! It's a small, local bakery that makes it. I opted for making
honey whole wheat because I like theirs so much. Not widely available.
Used to be able to get it at some of the Costco's for about $3.50 a loaf.
But they had none the last few times I was in. Not sure if this means they
stopped selling it or what. Can get it at PCC, Central Market and Whole
Foods but the price is $2 or more higher and they are sometimes sold out.
It's just that good. Also note that I did not say that it takes 5 hours to
make. I said hours. Probably longer than 5 hours if you count the two
risings and the bake time in addition to the measuring, combining
ingredients, allowing the yeast to activate, etc. My bread isn't quite the
same shape as theirs. I don't get quite as high of a loaf and mine is much
longer than theirs. But the taste is pretty much the same.

"Christopher Helms" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:49:00 AM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>> Christopher Helms wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> > On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:08:44 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>> > > Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sun, 24 May 2015 08:52:54 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> "Christopher Helms" wrote:
>> > > > >> > It's a lot easier to spend a hundred dollars on groceries
>> > > > than it used to >> > be. I try to stay under thirty dollars per
>> > > > trip and it seems to require a >> > little more creativity every
>> > > > month. >>
>> > > > >> $30 would only buy maybe one meal here.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > No way, Julie. I also spend about $30 per week or a little bit
>> > > > > more. That's just for me though. There's no way you are
>> > > > > spending $30 per MEAL for your family of 3 that don't like most
>> > > > > foods.
>> > > >
>> > > > I can get 2-3 days for $30 but that's really scrimping, and my
>> > > > cats wouldn't eat. I think the people who claim they can eat all
>> > > > week on $30 don't eat very well, or they're lousy at math, or
>> > > > they lie. Maybe some people don't include condiments, snacks,
>> > > > fresh fruit and vegetables, beverages, and they live on $1/lb
>> > > > tube steak... yes there are $1/lb 'meat' tube steaks in the flyer
>> > > > this week, one can only imagine. Top round beef (not a pricey
>> > > > cut) runs minimally $5/lb nowadays, feeding two adults a four
>> > > > pound roast lasts three days here, plus there are salads, sides,
>> > > > snacks, beverages, etc. A 4 pound roast barely yields two pounds
>> > > > of edible meat, I don't consider that a lot for six adult
>> > > > meals... and that's just dinner, what about food for th erest of
>> > > > the day? I think those with small grocery bills don't do much
>> > > > cooking, they eat out and do take out a lot. I know people who
>> > > > don't even have coffee in their house, not even a coffee pot,
>> > > > they buy lots of coffee out but don't include that in their
>> > > > grocery bill, not the donuts either... they can drop $30 a week
>> > > > at Dunkin Donuts easy, that's $30 per person. I shop often, I've
>> > > > yet to see anyone with a weeks worth of groceries in their cart
>> > > > for $30, what do your think a pound of bacon, a dozen eggs, a
>> > > > loaf of bread, a jar of grape jelly, a jar of peanut butter, a
>> > > > gallon of milk, and three pounds of apples costs, about $30 and
>> > > > that's not eating very well. The way many here drool over bacon,
>> > > > fresh seafood, real maple syrup, premium ice cream, polish
>> > > > butcher kielbasa, stinkin' lamb, ribeyes and the like no way can
>> > > > they get by on less than $30 a day. I won't mention how many are
>> > > > always boasting about their $30+ bottles of wine... I buy Crystal
>> > > > Palace vodka and diet Coke and still my booze bill runs $20/wk.
>> > > > Only way people can grocerey shop for $30/wk is they ain't
>> > > > mentioning their food stamps.
>> > >
>> > > Oh Sheldon lay off.
>> > >
>> > > Most people who use the roughly 30$ a week rule are buying staples
>> > > and cooking them for real.
>> >
>> >
>> > I can't speak for anyone else, but I try to make each $30 trip last
>> > as long as possible, which is never for an entire week. It's just a
>> > general rule I like to go by.
>>
>> Nothing wrong with that!
>>
>> Because we have a house and a spare chest freezer, we have storage room
>> for maximum sales storage and we have a vacuum sealer so we don't waste
>> meat that needed better sealing for a longer storage.
>>
>> I also use coupons to good effect (not 'oh I have a coupon, have to get
>> that') by checking the alternative items to see if it will save me some
>> or just give me a chance to try something new at a reasonable cost.
>>
>> I suspect my type of spending is easier to do with storage room so that
>> '10$ for 10 cans' type works out. I do that if it is something we know
>> we will use up in 6 months. It's usually something like 30% off when
>> they do those.
>>
>> I have a stack of 12 pack pepsi because Don is brand specific on that.
>> It came up as buy 2, get 3 free and limit 10. I went 3 days in a row
>> and got 30 at 1.96 a 12pack. That will cover him for 3 a day a day for
>> 6 months. Thats really something you can only do though with
>> significant storage room.
>
>
> You can definitely save some bucks by buying in bulk, if you're sure its
> something you're going to use. I try to do it, on a limited basis.
>
> BTW, I just got back from the store, spent $25.00 and change, and that
> will get me to the weekend.

I buy a few things in bulk but there isn't a lot that I can do this with
because we just can't eat it fast enough. Sodas are one thing I would love
to buy a lot of when cheap but I drink Diet Coke with Lime and most of the
time I am hard pressed to be able to even find 3 or 4 on the shelf. The
stores here seem to all require the customer to buy a certain amount or they
can't get the sale price. I did get lucky once and was able to get the Coke
rep to get me some from the back. And another time a Safeway clerk got me
some from the back. But most of the time, I haven't got the time to hunt
down a clerk to ask or to go to customer service. And then when I do ask,
the response is often that there is no more. But I have also been told by
the Coke rep that just because there might be more, doesn't mean that it
will be easy to get to.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 09:46:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>I could never do what you do. I have no pantry and not a lot of room for
>>storing food. I have to store the bulk of my canned goods in the garage.
>>I
>>can not put anything out there that animals might get into.
>
> So get some container that animals *can't* get into and store them in
> the garage or wherever. Pretty obvious solution there.
>
>>I have to put
>>things like pretzels, chips and cereal in the dining room. None of my
>>cupboards are big enough to accommodate it except for very small boxes of
>>cereal.
>
> Is your house a tent, or what?

No. I have a stupid, small, galley style kitchen with very narrow
cupboards. I figured this out when I got the new turntables. They fit from
side to side but protrude just enough to where I can't shut the cupboard
doors. No matter really because I'd say that about half of them won't shut.
They are just as deep as my Corelle dinnerware plates. Anything bigger
around than that and the door will not shut. And while the shelves are
adjustable, in order to accommodate a box of cereal, I would have to move
the one shelf up or down so much that the rest of the space would be of
little use.

My three lower cupboards on the one side are all shallow, pullouts. Pretty
much fine for big pots and pans but not much else. I have a tiny cupboard
under the sink but I have been told by the plumber not to keep anything down
there. Not that much would fit anyway. A very narrow cupboard that only
holds shallow baking pans and the two lazy Susan corner cupboards. One is
used for canned goods and the other for baking things. But I have to be
super careful not to put much in there or it will bail over the sides and
then I play hell getting it back out again.

I have pretty much resigned myself to using the one for things that Angela
might help herself to. I have the garage organized quite well but when I
send her out there to get something, most of the time she will return and
say that she can't find it.

Nothing about this house makes sense. It has been remodeled. The former
owners decided not only to put a glass, exterior door heading outside from
the kitchen but also a stupid, wall heater along that wall. I only used
that heater once. Usually the heat of the oven is enough. But I do
remember using it once. Would have been far better to have left out the
heater and door and put in a pantry there. It would only be the width of
your standard door but it really would have helped. I see no sense in
having a door there. If you want to access the outside deck, you only need
to go around the corner and out the sliding door.

We never use the deck anyway. It radiates heat like you would not believe!
We did try to sit there a couple of times to eat. Once when we were first
moving in and another time when I had some people over to help with the
unpacking and such. It was just too miserably hot, even with the patio
umbrella. I also had one birthday party for Angela where I took the kids
out to lunch and for mani/pedis. Then back here for cake and presents. I
tried to serve the cake out there because my dining table only seats 4 but
it was so stinking hot that the kids revolted. They wound up sitting on the
living room floor with the white carpet. Luckily nobody spilled.

It doesn't usually even get all that hot here either! There is just
something about the deck that traps the heat and makes it miserable. If the
temp. is below 70 then it's okay. But much beyond that and it is torture.

Redoing the kitchen is not an option for me now. In order to do what I want
it would involve putting in all new cabinets and countertops. And if I was
going to bother doing that I would also have the wall ripped open to resolve
whatever the plumbing problem is. My cupboards could look better but after
I cleaned them the last time they still look much better than they did and
no, they did not collect dust like people here said that they would.

I am waiting now on getting the house painted. And barring any unforeseen
circumstances, that will likely be the last major upkeep thing for a while.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 14:36:33 -0600, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 May 2015 11:48:56 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>
>> snip
>> >I have a stack of 12 pack pepsi because Don is brand specific on that.
>> >It came up as buy 2, get 3 free and limit 10. I went 3 days in a row
>> >and got 30 at 1.96 a 12pack. That will cover him for 3 a day a day for
>> >6 months. Thats really something you can only do though with
>> >significant storage room.
>>
>> Snork! For a while, every year, Costco would have this coupon special
>> on name brand diced tomatoes cases -- BOGO and no limit )) I had
>> eighteen cases at one time. We use an awful lot of canned tomatoes
>> and I can't can them for that price. After a couple of years they got
>> wise to me and the others I would meet in the tomato aisle and still
>> had BOGO but limit 2. Darn
>
> I've never seen a BOGO offer at Costco!

They've done the canned tomato one several times that I can remember. One
even fell at the time when the Post Office was doing food collections. I
should imagine that they got a ton of tomatoes.

On Sun, 24 May 2015 23:56:02 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 5/24/2015 9:07 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>
>> Not only that but time is money. Takes a long time to make bread if you
>> don't have the machine and... People who quote prices like that likely
>> aren't factoring in the price of electricity or water and soap to clean
>> the dishes and pans.
>>>
>
>Very valid point. That store bought bread is also more costly than the
>sticker price when you factor in the cost of operating your vehicle and
>the time to go get it.

I can't remember ever going to buy bread without buying a load of
other items... in fact I can't remember ever considering a special
trip just to buy a loaf of bread. If ever I discovered I ran out of
bread I'd eat something else until I got to a store... I can't
remember ever running out of bread, has to be a half dozen loaves in
the basement freezer now. About the only time I'd make a special trip
to shop is if it's gonna be a holiday weekend, the liquor store will
be closed and I'm low on vodka, but I can't remember that ever
happening either, I buy by the case so my only problem is runing out
of space in the cabinet where I keep booze so I rearrage the cat food.
I've never run out of cat food either. I always have more than a
month's supply of cat food and vodka. Right now I have more than a
two month's suply of each. Next week I'm planning on making a
birdseed run, I'll get a three month supply even though I have at
least a two month supply. Today I had a big burger for dinner,
actually a chopped steak, but I caramelised four onions and have only
one left, so I need to buy more... but I always have lot of dehys,
both plain and toasted. It's rare I run out of something.

"The Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 19:58:29 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>> Sodas are one thing I would love
>>to buy a lot of when cheap but I drink Diet Coke with Lime and most of the
>>time I am hard pressed to be able to even find 3 or 4 on the shelf. The
>>stores here seem to all require the customer to buy a certain amount or
>>they
>>can't get the sale price. I did get lucky once and was able to get the
>>Coke
>>rep to get me some from the back. And another time a Safeway clerk got me
>>some from the back. But most of the time, I haven't got the time to hunt
>>down a clerk to ask or to go to customer service. And then when I do ask,
>>the response is often that there is no more. But I have also been told by
>>the Coke rep that just because there might be more, doesn't mean that it
>>will be easy to get to.
>
> I'm like that with diet Dr Pepper, HARD to find much on some trips.

Yes! My mom drinks that but only in the bottles. And not the 2 liter
bottles. When we do find it, it is rarely on sale. My husband and daughter
will drink it so I do buy some. They will actually drink pretty much
anything *except* for Diet Coke with Lime. So I really never have any
trouble finding something for them at a good price.
>
> So I LOUDLY call out "assistance in the soda aisle", and I GET help.
> Sometimes there IS more in the back, sometimes not. But at least
> I've tried.
>
> I'll go with cherry Coke Zero if necessary, but THAT isn't available
> here in 2 liter bottles, so I do sometimes have to go with cans. If
> there is a sale on, it's usually buy 2, get 2 free, sometimes just
> a bit better. But cans do cost more than 2 liter bottles in any case.

I can't stand the Coke Zero. Plain Diet Coke is okay and I will also drink
Sprite Zero or the Diet Cherry 7 Up. I also like the Cherry Limeade from
Walmart but they don't often seem to have that. I need my caffeine though
and those things without it are only good every once in a while for me.

In article >,
The Other Guy > wrote:

> On Sun, 24 May 2015 20:17:57 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >Beans, rice, cheaper fresh veggies, and a hot dog a night of the cheap
> >sort would be 9$ a week. 9.45 if you added home made bread. Not
> >balanced at all but you'd make it for a time on it.
>
> An 8 pack of nasty cheap hotdogs would cost $4, good ones $5,
> why cheap out THAT much?
>
> And HOW healthy would a person be on THAT diet, after a month,
> or a year??
>
> Let alone, how HUNGRY?
>
>
>

After a month? Probably wouldn't affect their health too much. But after
15 years maybe:

http://thefw.com/girl-eats-nothing-b...ken-mcnuggets/

Sqwertz wrote:
>The Other Guy wrote:
>
>> An 8 pack of nasty cheap hotdogs would cost $4, good ones $5,
>> why cheap out THAT much?
>
>12oz package of Bar-S "meat franks" (mostly mechanically separated
>chicken) are under $1, along with a couple other "economy" brands.
>Hebrew National are $6.18 last I priced them.

I can't eat chicken dawgs, they're disgusting. I usually buy the
packs of 48 Sabrett beef franks at Walmart, I like them better than
Hebrew National or Nathans. The other day by mistake I picked up
these, less than half that price at Walmart, you like HOT so you'd
probably like these, I ate some but I wouldn't buy again, too hot for
my taste... each is about twice the diameter of a regular hotdog,
there are 15 in a pack, I have ten remaining, but for the next cookout
guests:
http://www.amazon.com/Sabrett-Hot-Sa...tt+Hot+Sausage
What I really like are Sabrett natural casing hotdogs but I can't find
them here, even in NYC they were expensive, sold loose by the pound.
http://jerseyporkroll.com/products/s...sing-hot-dogs/

On Sun, 24 May 2015 23:01:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"The Other Guy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 20:17:57 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>>Beans, rice, cheaper fresh veggies, and a hot dog a night of the cheap
>>>sort would be 9$ a week. 9.45 if you added home made bread. Not
>>>balanced at all but you'd make it for a time on it.
>>
>> An 8 pack of nasty cheap hotdogs would cost $4, good ones $5,
>> why cheap out THAT much?
>>
>> And HOW healthy would a person be on THAT diet, after a month,
>> or a year??
>>
>> Let alone, how HUNGRY?
>
>Seriously! A grocery store is full of choices. But many of those choices
>are not mine. I don't eat Ramen either. Beans are cheap and healthy and I
>like them. Rice is no longer as cheap as it once was and perhaps not as
>healthy as we once thought.

Plain rice is less healthful than plain pasta, but either can be a
good nutritious meal when veggies and meat is incorporated into the
dish, and I happen to like rice and beans... I make it Puerto Rican
style with pigeon peas (gondules), I add onion, garlic, bell pepper,
diced tomato, pimento stuffed olives, and either diced pepperoni or
kielbasa, sometimes left over pork chops.... cooked in a heavy pot on
low heat for a long time until a thick crust forms (bun), delicious. I
use long grain Canilla brand rice, a Goya product.

On Sun, 24 May 2015 22:30:52 -0700, The Other Guy
> wrote:

>On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:30:42 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>Then quit bitching if you can't spring to a bread machine and 5 minutes
>>of your time once a week.
>
>WHO the hell was 'bitching'?? I just replied.
>
>YOU are being unrealistic, and making it all sound MUCH simpler
>than it really is for most people.
>
>>Cut the portion to reasonable levels then. You don't need 1lb a night
>>for just yourself.
>
>Again, WHO SAID I eat a pound of anything, THAT was you, NOT me.
>
>I might cook up a 3-4 pound package of chicken thighs, and eat
>2 a day for the next week to 10 days.
>
>A pound of ground beef will get added to 3 or 4 servings of rice
>or pasta.

For dinner last night I had two 12 ounce burgers, fried rare (freshly
ground at home, top round, no mystery meat), shared with two of my
cats, I ate most of it, mine buried under a pile of caramelized onions
and slathered with Heinz red. I was hungry, I sawed up a large fallen
tree, with a bow saw, and stacked it all in the woods... I'm positive
within those four hours of hard labor I burned up more calories than I
consumed. I have a nice Jonsered chainsaw but I was home alone, I
don't do chainsaw alone, so a 24" bow saw worked, and I didn't have to
mess with gas and oil. Chainsaws are dangerous, no one should ever
use one when alone:
http://i59.tinypic.com/24dl9oh.jpg
After the tree work was done I mowed that 4 acre field, and then
washed the tractor and put everything back where it belongs. I may
eat larger portions than many of yoose think are normal but then I
burn up more calories, probably twice as many as any of yoose. Weather
permitting I don't think a week passes I don't saw up a fallen tree or
three. I hate gyms, makes me feel like I'm in a squirrel cage, doing
outdoor work is at least interesting, and I accomplish something
useful.

"Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>Potatoes are no longer cheap here either. I buy far less of them than I
>used to. The cheapest place to get them is Costco but few families could
>eat as many as are in one of those huge bags. And I will no longer buy them
>there after getting those rotten ones.

There are many recipes that use up lots of spuds and freeze well;
latkes and potatonic are my favorites... now they are selling frozen
mashed potatoes at exhorbitant prices, easy to prepare your own, can
do a ten pound bag at once and takes very little freezer space.
Hashbrowns freeze well too. I usually buy those large bags of Green
Giant chef size potatoes, a seven pound bag contains 7-8 potatoes,
they are better quality than the no-name spuds and keep well at least
twice as long... a lot less labor to peel large spuds and less waste
too. They're good to make stuffed baked potatoes, which freeze well.
Potato peelings go into a bowl and then dumped in the yard for a deer
treat... I'm not sure which critters eat them but they're always gone
by morning.

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:14:46 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> > Yup. 5 lbs of flour yields 20 cups so if you multiply that out >with 4 cups per large loaf, you get 50 loaves for 38cents each and >the small cost of a little sugar, salt and yeast.
>
> --

Better rethink that math...

On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:46:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

> I know an English person in Canada who makes all his own bacon because he
> says he can't get real bacon.

I need to try that sometime because hubby buys American bacon as lean
as he can find and then removes as much fat as he possibly can.
http://www.thepauperedchef.com/2010/...h-rashers.html


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"graham" > wrote in message
...

> I still have one packet of Suffolk Sweet Cure in the freezer from him!
> I really must make a bacon butty with all the bread I've been making
> lately.

Go on ... treat yourself You know you will love it) A little bit of
heaven ...


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:46:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> I know an English person in Canada who makes all his own bacon because he
>> says he can't get real bacon.
>
> I need to try that sometime because hubby buys American bacon as lean
> as he can find and then removes as much fat as he possibly can.
> http://www.thepauperedchef.com/2010/...h-rashers.html

I would love Graham's take on this)


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Thomas wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:14:46 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> > > Yup. 5 lbs of flour yields 20 cups so if you multiply that out
> > > >with 4 cups per large loaf, you get 50 loaves for 38cents each
> > > and >the small cost of a little sugar, salt and yeast.
> >
> > --
>
> Better rethink that math...

Grin, humm. She was talking 50 lbs of flour. 5x10=50x4=200 cups.
divide by 4 cups for a larger loaf, 50 loaves. Basics are a 1 lb of
flour yields what is 'called' a 2lb loaf. It doesn't actually weigh
that but then its not all flour.

Not sure if i messed up or I misexplained it.
Carol

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Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 25 May 2015 15:44:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> > In your opinion it is good. The bread that I make takes many
> > hours. Not 5 minutes and as I have said many times before, I do
> > not like bread from a bread machine.
>
> So, you have somewhere to buy bread just like the bread that takes you
> five hours to bake? If not, then the comparison is invalid.

I am having fun trying to imagine a bread maker so bad that it takes
them actually 5 hours actual time to make bread. With a bread machine,
you spend 5 minutes of your time for a basic bread. If you take it out
in dough mode and bake it outside of the machine to rolls and such, add
10 minutes.

It was a given that rising time is needed. ANYONE who makes bread
knows that.

Contact time is less with a machine. Results are better than store
bread by far.



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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 25 May 2015 15:44:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > In your opinion it is good. The bread that I make takes many
>> > hours. Not 5 minutes and as I have said many times before, I do
>> > not like bread from a bread machine.
>>
>> So, you have somewhere to buy bread just like the bread that takes you
>> five hours to bake? If not, then the comparison is invalid.
>
> I am having fun trying to imagine a bread maker so bad that it takes
> them actually 5 hours actual time to make bread. With a bread machine,
> you spend 5 minutes of your time for a basic bread. If you take it out
> in dough mode and bake it outside of the machine to rolls and such, add
> 10 minutes.
>
As I have said countless times before. I had a bread machine. I don't have
it any more. I hated the thing on so many levels. I tried using it several
times and it only ever produced one loaf that was edible. But the loaves
were rather useless. The design made a strange, tiny loaf with a hole in
the bottom. Could not be used for sandwiches ever.

And I had to keep babysitting it becaue it moved all over the counter. It
was very noisy too.

> It was a given that rising time is needed. ANYONE who makes bread
> knows that.

And that would have to be factored into the time. Right? I remember when
my parents got their first microwave. My mom had a cookbook and it said you
could make fudge in something like 10 minutes. My brother wanted me to make
it. I did. Imagine his disappointment when I took it out, put it in a pan
and then it had to chill for many hours. He thought it would be ready to
eat when I took it out.
>
> Contact time is less with a machine. Results are better than store
> bread by far.

Who cares? And no, mine certainly wasn't better at all.

On 27/05/2015 8:04 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Thomas wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:14:46 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Yup. 5 lbs of flour yields 20 cups so if you multiply that out
>>>>> with 4 cups per large loaf, you get 50 loaves for 38cents each
>>>> and >the small cost of a little sugar, salt and yeast.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Better rethink that math...
>
> Grin, humm. She was talking 50 lbs of flour. 5x10=50x4=200 cups.
> divide by 4 cups for a larger loaf, 50 loaves. Basics are a 1 lb of
> flour yields what is 'called' a 2lb loaf. It doesn't actually weigh
> that but then its not all flour.
>
> Not sure if i messed up or I misexplained it.
> Carol
>

Last week I bought a 20kg sack of strong bread flour for C$17 (44lbs for
US$13.60). On Friday I made a couple of ~1kg loaves of pain au levain
(French style sourdough) with 750g of it along with some wholewheat and
rye flours.

http://i58.tinypic.com/330ac6u.jpg

If I made them from plain white flour, I could make ~33 of those loaves.
A local bakery charges about $6 for a similar loaf.
Of course, I'm not including the price of the power and I actually do it
for pleasure so an hourly rate for my time is irrelevant.
Graham

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On Wed, 27 May 2015 21:04:04 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Thomas wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:14:46 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>> > > Yup. 5 lbs of flour yields 20 cups so if you multiply that out
>> > > >with 4 cups per large loaf, you get 50 loaves for 38cents each
>> > > and >the small cost of a little sugar, salt and yeast.
>> >
>> > --
>>
>> Better rethink that math...
>
>Grin, humm. She was talking 50 lbs of flour. 5x10=50x4=200 cups.
>divide by 4 cups for a larger loaf, 50 loaves. Basics are a 1 lb of
>flour yields what is 'called' a 2lb loaf. It doesn't actually weigh
>that but then its not all flour.
>
>Not sure if i messed up or I misexplained it.
> Carol

1 pound of AP flour equals about 3 cups... 50 pounds equals about 150
cups. One pound of flour will produce about a 20 ounce loaf of plain
white bread (much of the liquid evaporates during baking), you'd need
to add a lot of dates n' nuts to make it a 2 pound loaf.

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 27 May 2015 21:04:04 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Thomas wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:14:46 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> >> > > Yup. 5 lbs of flour yields 20 cups so if you multiply that out
> >> > > >with 4 cups per large loaf, you get 50 loaves for 38cents
> each >> > > and >the small cost of a little sugar, salt and yeast.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >>
> >> Better rethink that math...
> >
> > Grin, humm. She was talking 50 lbs of flour. 5x10=50x4=200 cups.
> > divide by 4 cups for a larger loaf, 50 loaves. Basics are a 1 lb of
> > flour yields what is 'called' a 2lb loaf. It doesn't actually weigh
> > that but then its not all flour.
> >
> > Not sure if i messed up or I misexplained it.
> > Carol
>
> 1 pound of AP flour equals about 3 cups... 50 pounds equals about 150
> cups. One pound of flour will produce about a 20 ounce loaf of plain
> white bread (much of the liquid evaporates during baking), you'd need
> to add a lot of dates n' nuts to make it a 2 pound loaf.

http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_cu..._in_a_5_lb_bag

There is some variation depending on flour type and how well you fluff
it but most searches yield 20 and a few say 19. You are at a minumum
3/4 cups off per lb there. Properly fluffed, its 20 on average for a
white flour.



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Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Mon, 25 May 2015 15:44:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> > >
> >>> In your opinion it is good. The bread that I make takes many
> >>> hours. Not 5 minutes and as I have said many times before, I do
> >>> not like bread from a bread machine.
> > >
> > > So, you have somewhere to buy bread just like the bread that
> > > takes you five hours to bake? If not, then the comparison is
> > > invalid.
> >
> > I am having fun trying to imagine a bread maker so bad that it takes
> > them actually 5 hours actual time to make bread. With a bread
> > machine, you spend 5 minutes of your time for a basic bread. If
> > you take it out in dough mode and bake it outside of the machine to
> > rolls and such, add 10 minutes.
> >
> As I have said countless times before. I had a bread machine. I
> don't have it any more. I hated the thing on so many levels. I
> tried using it several times and it only ever produced one loaf that
> was edible. But the loaves were rather useless. The design made a
> strange, tiny loaf with a hole in the bottom. Could not be used for
> sandwiches ever.

In other words, you chose to not learn how to use it which is fine.
Many prefer to hand make it. People with a little patience do learn
them well and they are time savers.

>
> And I had to keep babysitting it becaue it moved all over the
> counter. It was very noisy too.

Put a towel under it.

>
> > It was a given that rising time is needed. ANYONE who makes bread
> > knows that.
>
> And that would have to be factored into the time. Right? I remember
> when my parents got their first microwave. My mom had a cookbook and
> it said you could make fudge in something like 10 minutes. My
> brother wanted me to make it. I did. Imagine his disappointment
> when I took it out, put it in a pan and then it had to chill for many
> hours. He thought it would be ready to eat when I took it out.

Well be real Julie. You don't make '5 hour bread'. That indicates you
were working on the bread for all that 5 hours. In reality, you
probably took a nap or something and all that.

With a machine in dough mode, you load it in 5-10 minutes (depends on
the recipe) then come back 1.5-2 hours later to shape it to loaves,
rise another hour or so then bake.

> >
> > Contact time is less with a machine. Results are better than store
> > bread by far.
>
> Who cares? And no, mine certainly wasn't better at all.

Thats because you didn't learn how to use the tool. It's not the fault
of the tool.



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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > > On Mon, 25 May 2015 15:44:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> >>> In your opinion it is good. The bread that I make takes many
>> >>> hours. Not 5 minutes and as I have said many times before, I do
>> >>> not like bread from a bread machine.
>> > >
>> > > So, you have somewhere to buy bread just like the bread that
>> > > takes you five hours to bake? If not, then the comparison is
>> > > invalid.
>> >
>> > I am having fun trying to imagine a bread maker so bad that it takes
>> > them actually 5 hours actual time to make bread. With a bread
>> > machine, you spend 5 minutes of your time for a basic bread. If
>> > you take it out in dough mode and bake it outside of the machine to
>> > rolls and such, add 10 minutes.
>> >
>> As I have said countless times before. I had a bread machine. I
>> don't have it any more. I hated the thing on so many levels. I
>> tried using it several times and it only ever produced one loaf that
>> was edible. But the loaves were rather useless. The design made a
>> strange, tiny loaf with a hole in the bottom. Could not be used for
>> sandwiches ever.
>
> In other words, you chose to not learn how to use it which is fine.
> Many prefer to hand make it. People with a little patience do learn
> them well and they are time savers.
>
>>
>> And I had to keep babysitting it becaue it moved all over the
>> counter. It was very noisy too.
>
> Put a towel under it.
>
>>
>> > It was a given that rising time is needed. ANYONE who makes bread
>> > knows that.
>>
>> And that would have to be factored into the time. Right? I remember
>> when my parents got their first microwave. My mom had a cookbook and
>> it said you could make fudge in something like 10 minutes. My
>> brother wanted me to make it. I did. Imagine his disappointment
>> when I took it out, put it in a pan and then it had to chill for many
>> hours. He thought it would be ready to eat when I took it out.
>
> Well be real Julie. You don't make '5 hour bread'. That indicates you
> were working on the bread for all that 5 hours. In reality, you
> probably took a nap or something and all that.
>
> With a machine in dough mode, you load it in 5-10 minutes (depends on
> the recipe) then come back 1.5-2 hours later to shape it to loaves,
> rise another hour or so then bake.
>
>> >
>> > Contact time is less with a machine. Results are better than store
>> > bread by far.
>>
>> Who cares? And no, mine certainly wasn't better at all.
>
> Thats because you didn't learn how to use the tool. It's not the fault
> of the tool.

Nonsense! How could one not know how to use a plug and play thing. It was
very self explanatory. Why is it that some people here seem to think that
their way is not only the best way but the only way?