> wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>> of
>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>
> The drought affects people around the world, most notably in Yemen.
> California is about as bad off as Taiwan.

Of course, but I am posting in a group with Californians and was interested
to ask.



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> wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>> of
>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.

I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?

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"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 11:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/24/2015 4:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>> lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>> huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>> people with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>
>>> The worst thing imaginable is IF this becomes part of the predicted
>>> megadrought in the Western US.
>>>
>>> http://www.fastcoexist.com/3044538/w...-a-megadrought
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. SAY GOODBYE TO THE LAWN
>>>
>>> 2. REDESIGN CITIES AS SPONGES
>>>
>>> 3. RETHINK THE ALMOND
>>>
>>> 4. FIX THE PIPES
>>>
>>> 5. SMARTER DESALINATION
>>>
>>>
>>> They'll need to move quickly on all of the above.
>>>
>>> And we'll all need to get used to buying more produce from Mexico.
>>
>> Oh dear
>>
>
> It's always best to plan for the worst and celebrate anything that isn't.

Of course

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Paul M. Cook wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
> > a lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown
> > the huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were
> > showing how people with lush grass and full swimming pools were
> > being demonised.
> >
> > Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
> food, half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a
> 35% cutback on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is
> the last year we will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we
> should be in full anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on
> illegal immigrants.
>
>
>
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Paul, major correction. California grows maybe 5% of our food. It's
only a major cropper of some items and those can be grown elsewhere.

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"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 10:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>> food,
>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>> cutback
>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>> year we
>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>>> come from?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>>> could get very ugly.
>>
>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>
>>
> I suspect many are worried enough to be stunned to silence.

Especially since they were releasing all tha water from dams a couple of
years ago. Idiots.

Cheri

On 5/24/2015 11:27 AM, wrote:
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot of
>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>
> The drought affects people around the world, most notably in Yemen.
> California is about as bad off as Taiwan.
>
You forgot Oz.

For them el nino is a bad event:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/update...ustralia.shtml

Potential effects of El Niño on Australia include:
Reduced rainfall
Warmer temperatures
Shift in temperature extremes
Increased frost risk
Reduced tropical cyclone numbers
Later monsoon onset
Increased fire danger in southeast Australia
Decreased alpine snow depths

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-1...-event/6464592

The Bureau says all models are pointing to a classic El Nino, which
usually causes drought and warmer conditions in eastern Australia,
particularly inland.

It is also likely to result in an early and more extreme fire season and
more frosts.

On 5/24/2015 11:34 AM, wrote:
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 9:57:23 AM UTC-7, Cabrito del Bosque wrote:
>> On 5/24/2015 4:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>> lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>> huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>> people with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>
>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>
>> The worst thing imaginable is IF this becomes part of the predicted
>> megadrought in the Western US.
>>
>> http://www.fastcoexist.com/3044538/w...-a-megadrought
>>
>> 1. SAY GOODBYE TO THE LAWN
>>
>> 2. REDESIGN CITIES AS SPONGES
>>
>> 3. RETHINK THE ALMOND
>>
>> 4. FIX THE PIPES
>>
>> 5. SMARTER DESALINATION
>>
>>
>> They'll need to move quickly on all of the above.
>>
>> And we'll all need to get used to buying more produce from Mexico.
>
> No drought in Mexico? Let's drink their milkshake.

Here here!

> Growing almonds is actually a smart response to drought -- yields
> the most dollars per gallon. And yields of perfect nuts are highest
> where irrigation is required -- no pests or diseases affect the crop.

It's a water hog!

Each almond takes what, 8 gallons?

> The trouble with building desalinization plants is that they must be
> used in order to pay back the investment. Therefore you lock yourself
> into buying rather expensive water for the next 20 years, even if it
> rains like crazy.

That's a big "if" given the megadrought forecasts.

"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "William" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>> lot of
>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>> people
>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>>
>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>>
>>> William
>>
>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since CA
>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up, rinse
>> off.
>>
>> Cheri

Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the short
showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small containers for
washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down with the washing
machine, lawn going fairly brown, etc. One of the hardest things for me, is
the mellow yellow with the toilet water. I don't like that at all.

Cheri

On 5/24/2015 11:35 AM, wrote:
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot of
>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>
Choices, choices...

To eat almonds of flush the loo.

Make a smart one, eh?

On 5/24/2015 11:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>> lot
>>> of
>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>
>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
>> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>
> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
>
Because, much like the pecan, they're water hogs - 8 gallons per nut.

It's all about choices with water, who and what needs it most.

On 24/05/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "William" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>> lot of
>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>
>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>>
>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>
>> William
>
> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since CA
> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up, rinse
> off.
>
> Cheri
>
>
5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
Save water - Shower with a friend!
Graham
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"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-05-24, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> On 5/24/2015 12:37 PM, sf wrote:
>
>>> There's no talk of a water pipeline yet. Oil gets lots of pipelines,
>>> water gets none.
>
>> Where would the pipeline come from? Is there enough water in a
>> reasonable distance? If so, it would be a smart idea.
>
> Ed, I can understand your not knowing CA history, but sf has zero excuse.
> In fact, sf gets her water from Hetch-Hetchy, which is 170 miles away.
> How does she think that pristine Sierra snow water gets all the way to
> San Fransico? By taxi!?
>
> SoCal (Southern California) has been robbing the rest of the state
> blind for water for decades. Pipelines are entirely too small.
> Check out the California Aquaduct:
>

BS. SoCal uses abouit 3-5% of all water in the state. 85% goes to farms.

> http://tinyurl.com/lkuv8kc
>
> These canals are typically 100 ft wide (at surface) and 30 ft deep.
> These water wars, which make up the biggest point of contention in
> NorCal and SoCal politics, have been going on for decades. Even as
> far back as the 19th century.

And most evaporates.



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On 5/24/2015 12:14 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 10:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>> food,
>>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>> cutback
>>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>> year we
>>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>>>> come from?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>>>> could get very ugly.
>>>
>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>
>>>
>> I suspect many are worried enough to be stunned to silence.
>
> Especially since they were releasing all tha water from dams a couple of
> years ago. Idiots.
>
> Cheri
>
>
The Smelt caper?

http://spectator.org/articles/40982/...middle-drought

ANYONE DOUBTING THAT OUR nation's environmental and economic policies
can get seriously out of whack from time to time need only look to the
Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta. Located in California's Central
Valley, between the state's capital city and Stockton, it is where the
American, Mokelumne, Cosumnes, and Calaveras Rivers flow into the larger
Sacramento and San Joaquin. It is also where the saddest agricultural
saga since the Depression-era Dust Bowl is now playing, as the waters
from those rivers flow beneath San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge and
out to sea. As they flow unimpeded to the Pacific, those waters are also
washing out to sea the livelihoods of tens of thousands of farm workers
and agricultural business owners. It is an economic as well as human
tragedy.

Further curbs may come, on behalf of the delta smelt as well as other
species. The USFWS and the California Fish and Game Commission are
moving forward with threatened and endangered designations for Chinook
salmon, steelhead, and the longfin smelt, presaging further water
reductions for agriculture.

The result of these irrigation pump shutdowns is that hundreds of
thousands of acres of farmland are being forced out of production. Kern
County authorities estimated that 145,000 of the 850,000 acres that are
typically irrigated were idled or under-irrigated last year. The loss
was pegged at $100 million in the county alone. A study by UC-Davis
estimated San Joaquin Valley farm revenue losses to range from $482
million to $647 million. Total California agricultural economic losses
could hit $3 billion this year.

But those are just abstract financial numbers. Behind those figures are
real people, farmers and business owners and families who are losing
livelihoods and are being forced to uproot and flee. The UC-Davis study
conservatively suggested 24,000 to 32,000 Central Valley jobs were
destroyed by environmental rulings designed to protect endangered
wildlife. It further estimated job losses could approach 80,000 or more
if restrictions intensified. Communities are withering for a
government-imposed lack of water. It is little exaggeration to say that
the farmers of the most valuable farming region in the nation are facing
extinction.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "William" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>> lot of
>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>> people
>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>>>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>>>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>>>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>
>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since CA
>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up, rinse
>>> off.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>
> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
> with the washing machine, lawn going fairly brown, etc. One of the hardest
> things for me, is the mellow yellow with the toilet water. I don't like
> that at all.

I feel for you Does bleach not brighten it up at all?


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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 24/05/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "William" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>> lot of
>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>> people
>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>>
>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>>
>>> William
>>
>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since CA
>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up, rinse
>> off.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
> Save water - Shower with a friend!

I hope you are not being saucy, Graham? ;-)

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On 5/24/2015 12:18 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "William" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>> lot of
>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>> people
>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>>>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>>>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>>>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>
>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since CA
>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up, rinse
>>> off.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>
> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
> with the washing machine, lawn going fairly brown, etc. One of the
> hardest things for me, is the mellow yellow with the toilet water. I
> don't like that at all.
>
> Cheri

We face similar, though not as dire consequences here...so far...

I think a great deal of consumptive water could be saved if homes ran a
gray water system, similar to what RVs do.

One good 500 gallon cistern and some plumbing could make a real dent in
usage.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 10:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>> food,
>>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>> cutback
>>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>> year we
>>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>>>> come from?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>>>> could get very ugly.
>>>
>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>
>>>
>> I suspect many are worried enough to be stunned to silence.
>
> Especially since they were releasing all tha water from dams a couple of
> years ago. Idiots.

Without water flowing to the sea you get dry rivers and salt water polluted
deltas. You cannot have an excosystem without flowing water. Damning every
drop just makes the problem very much worse. A great many creatures besides
humans need that water, too. And unlike humans they cannot do with less.




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On 5/24/2015 12:23 PM, graham wrote:
> On 24/05/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "William" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>> lot of
>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>> people
>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>>
>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>>
>>> William
>>
>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since CA
>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up, rinse
>> off.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
> Save water - Shower with a friend!
> Graham

Amusing, but unlikely to save much, perhaps even use more.

On Sun, 24 May 2015 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>No drought in Mexico? Let's drink their milkshake.
>
>Growing almonds is actually a smart response to drought -- yields
>the most dollars per gallon. And yields of perfect nuts are highest
>where irrigation is required -- no pests or diseases affect the crop.
>
>The trouble with building desalinization plants is that they must be
>used in order to pay back the investment. Therefore you lock yourself
>into buying rather expensive water for the next 20 years, even if it
>rains like crazy.

I bet the California Farmers will push the state to "go big with
desalinization" to flood them with water and then they can recoop
their investment from America's grocery stores. American's like
oranges and strawberries and almonds.

William

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>> > a lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown
>> > the huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were
>> > showing how people with lush grass and full swimming pools were
>> > being demonised.
>> >
>> > Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>> food, half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a
>> 35% cutback on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is
>> the last year we will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we
>> should be in full anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on
>> illegal immigrants.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Paul, major correction. California grows maybe 5% of our food. It's
> only a major cropper of some items and those can be grown elsewhere.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...ure-explainer/




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On 5/24/2015 12:31 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/24/2015 10:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>>> food,
>>>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>>> cutback
>>>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>>> year we
>>>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>>>>> could get very ugly.
>>>>
>>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I suspect many are worried enough to be stunned to silence.
>>
>> Especially since they were releasing all tha water from dams a couple of
>> years ago. Idiots.
>
> Without water flowing to the sea you get dry rivers and salt water polluted
> deltas. You cannot have an excosystem without flowing water. Damning every
> drop just makes the problem very much worse. A great many creatures besides
> humans need that water, too. And unlike humans they cannot do with less.

Feeding needed runoff with gray water is the key.

On 5/24/2015 12:34 PM, William wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
>> No drought in Mexico? Let's drink their milkshake.
>>
>> Growing almonds is actually a smart response to drought -- yields
>> the most dollars per gallon. And yields of perfect nuts are highest
>> where irrigation is required -- no pests or diseases affect the crop.
>>
>> The trouble with building desalinization plants is that they must be
>> used in order to pay back the investment. Therefore you lock yourself
>> into buying rather expensive water for the next 20 years, even if it
>> rains like crazy.
>
> I bet the California Farmers will push the state to "go big with
> desalinization" to flood them with water and then they can recoop
> their investment from America's grocery stores. American's like
> oranges and strawberries and almonds.
>
> William
>
A reasonable premise too.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/24/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "William" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>>>>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>>>>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>>>>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>>>>
>>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since
>>>> CA
>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>> rinse
>>>> off.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>
>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>> with the washing machine, lawn going fairly brown, etc. One of the
>> hardest things for me, is the mellow yellow with the toilet water. I
>> don't like that at all.
>
> I feel for you Does bleach not brighten it up at all?

Bleach plus urine = mustard gas.



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On Sun, 24 May 2015 12:58:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 5/24/2015 12:37 PM, sf wrote:
>
> >
> > There's no talk of a water pipeline yet. Oil gets lots of pipelines,
> > water gets none.
> >
>
> Where would the pipeline come from? Is there enough water in a
> reasonable distance? If so, it would be a smart idea.

Who needs a reasonable distance? If oil can be piped from Mid-Canada
to the Gulf coast then water can go that distance too.

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Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
>
> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 5/24/2015 4:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > I have noticed several people here mention California. We have
> > > had a lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were
> > > shown the huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They
> > > were showing how people with lush grass and full swimming pools
> > > were being demonised.
> > >
> > > Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
> > >
> >
> > The worst thing imaginable is IF this becomes part of the predicted
> > megadrought in the Western US.
> >
> > http://www.fastcoexist.com/3044538/w...s/5-things-cal
> > ifornia-can-do-to-survive-a-megadrought
> >
> > 1. SAY GOODBYE TO THE LAWN
> >
> > 2. REDESIGN CITIES AS SPONGES
> >
> > 3. RETHINK THE ALMOND
> >
> > 4. FIX THE PIPES
> >
> > 5. SMARTER DESALINATION
> >
> >
> > They'll need to move quickly on all of the above.
> >
> > And we'll all need to get used to buying more produce from Mexico.
>
> Oh dear

Ophelia, relax. He's massively overestimated the food issues for
example. It could be people in *California* (southern part) might get
more food from south of them but the only real effect will be the big
wine industry, yet most grapes are pretty tolerant of drought,
producing simply less grapes.

California does have the biggest ticket sales but that is becsause they
export most of it as in fancy stuff you might find on your shelves.
It's not an never has been a breadbasket of the USA. Not a single
product grown there in any quantity hits our top 10 food exports for
example.

I'm not saying it isnt serious, but neither they nor we will go hungry
over California's drought.
Carol

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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 5/24/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "William" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the
>>>>>> California
>>>>>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>>>>>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>>>>>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William
>>>>>
>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since
>>>>> CA
>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>> rinse
>>>>> off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>> with the washing machine, lawn going fairly brown, etc. One of the
>>> hardest things for me, is the mellow yellow with the toilet water. I
>>> don't like that at all.
>>
>> I feel for you Does bleach not brighten it up at all?
>
> Bleach plus urine = mustard gas.

lol not standard mustard gas I think)

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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>>
>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 5/24/2015 4:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> > > I have noticed several people here mention California. We have
>> > > had a lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were
>> > > shown the huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They
>> > > were showing how people with lush grass and full swimming pools
>> > > were being demonised.
>> > >
>> > > Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>> > >
>> >
>> > The worst thing imaginable is IF this becomes part of the predicted
>> > megadrought in the Western US.
>> >
>> > http://www.fastcoexist.com/3044538/w...s/5-things-cal
>> > ifornia-can-do-to-survive-a-megadrought
>> >
>> > 1. SAY GOODBYE TO THE LAWN
>> >
>> > 2. REDESIGN CITIES AS SPONGES
>> >
>> > 3. RETHINK THE ALMOND
>> >
>> > 4. FIX THE PIPES
>> >
>> > 5. SMARTER DESALINATION
>> >
>> >
>> > They'll need to move quickly on all of the above.
>> >
>> > And we'll all need to get used to buying more produce from Mexico.
>>
>> Oh dear
>
> Ophelia, relax. He's massively overestimated the food issues for
> example. It could be people in *California* (southern part) might get
> more food from south of them but the only real effect will be the big
> wine industry, yet most grapes are pretty tolerant of drought,
> producing simply less grapes.
>
> California does have the biggest ticket sales but that is becsause they
> export most of it as in fancy stuff you might find on your shelves.
> It's not an never has been a breadbasket of the USA. Not a single
> product grown there in any quantity hits our top 10 food exports for
> example.
>
> I'm not saying it isnt serious, but neither they nor we will go hungry
> over California's drought.

It sounds pretty serious to me

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On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:39:02 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>
>Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.

Be careful what you wish for. . .look what has happened to the drought
in Texas. Boats, anyone?
Janet US

On 24 May 2015 17:33:04 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2015-05-24, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > On 5/24/2015 12:37 PM, sf wrote:
>
> >> There's no talk of a water pipeline yet. Oil gets lots of pipelines,
> >> water gets none.
>
> > Where would the pipeline come from? Is there enough water in a
> > reasonable distance? If so, it would be a smart idea.
>
> Ed, I can understand your not knowing CA history, but sf has zero excuse.
> In fact, sf gets her water from Hetch-Hetchy, which is 170 miles away.
> How does she think that pristine Sierra snow water gets all the way to
> San Fransico? By taxi!?
>
So glad your basic knowledge of water in California tells you that
what's true for San Francisco is true for the entire state of
California. Perhaps you can explain why there's a water crisis if
everything is so peach keen.

> SoCal (Southern California) has been robbing the rest of the state
> blind for water for decades. Pipelines are entirely too small.
> Check out the California Aquaduct:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lkuv8kc
>
> These canals are typically 100 ft wide (at surface) and 30 ft deep.
> These water wars, which make up the biggest point of contention in
> NorCal and SoCal politics, have been going on for decades. Even as
> far back as the 19th century.
>
Which doesn't mitigate the current water crisis in the slightest.
Perhaps you can also note that they've sucked the California end of
the Colorado river dry and are working on the aquifers.

In the mean time, there you are sitting on your mountain top in
Colorado, next to a raging river, constantly complaining about
California.

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On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:37:58 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 24 May 2015 16:39:10 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>> >>
>> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>> >
>> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's food,
>> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35% cutback
>> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year we
>> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>> >
>>
>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water come
>> from?
>
>There's no talk of a water pipeline yet. Oil gets lots of pipelines,
>water gets none.

who were you wanting to take the water from?
Janet US

On 5/24/2015 12:40 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "William" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>> lot of
>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>
>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>>
>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>
>> William
>
> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since CA
> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up, rinse
> off.
>
> Cheri
>
>
Hmmm, I seem to remember my dad calling it the three S's. S***, shower
and shave. And it was under 5 minutes.

Jill

On 5/24/2015 1:34 PM, wrote:
> The trouble with building desalinization plants is that they must be
> used in order to pay back the investment. Therefore you lock yourself
> into buying rather expensive water for the next 20 years, even if it
> rains like crazy.

Silly me... I thought water only came in bottles.

Jill

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/24/2015 10:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>>> food,
>>>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>>> cutback
>>>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>>> year we
>>>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in
>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>>>>> could get very ugly.
>>>>
>>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I suspect many are worried enough to be stunned to silence.
>>
>> Especially since they were releasing all tha water from dams a couple of
>> years ago. Idiots.
>
> Without water flowing to the sea you get dry rivers and salt water
> polluted deltas. You cannot have an excosystem without flowing water.
> Damning every drop just makes the problem very much worse. A great many
> creatures besides humans need that water, too. And unlike humans they
> cannot do with less.

No one said they should dam every drop, but excess releasing is bad, which
they did admit.

Cheri

> wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>> >>lot
>> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>> >>people
>> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>> >>
>> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>> >
>> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>> > food,
>> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>> > cutback
>> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year
>> > we
>> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>> >
>>
>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>
> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.

That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.

On 5/24/2015 12:42 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 12:58:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2015 12:37 PM, sf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There's no talk of a water pipeline yet. Oil gets lots of pipelines,
>>> water gets none.
>>>
>>
>> Where would the pipeline come from? Is there enough water in a
>> reasonable distance? If so, it would be a smart idea.
>
> Who needs a reasonable distance?

Investors?

> If oil can be piped from Mid-Canada
> to the Gulf coast then water can go that distance too.

Bbbbbbut...Keystone XL was denied!

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>> > a lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown
>> > the huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were
>> > showing how people with lush grass and full swimming pools were
>> > being demonised.
>> >
>> > Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>> food, half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a
>> 35% cutback on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is
>> the last year we will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we
>> should be in full anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on
>> illegal immigrants.
>>
>>
>>
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> Paul, major correction. California grows maybe 5% of our food. It's
> only a major cropper of some items and those can be grown elsewhere.

Food Facts

California has been the number one food and agricultural producer in the
United States for more than 50 consecutive years.

More than half the nation's fruit, nuts, and vegetables come from here.

California is the nation's number one dairy state.

California's leading commodity is milk and cream. Grapes are second.

California's leading export crop is almonds.

Nationally, products exclusively grown (99% or more) in California include
almonds, artichokes, dates, figs, kiwifruit, olives, persimmons, pistachios,
prunes, raisins, clovers, and walnuts.

From 70 to 80% of all ripe olives are grown in California.

California is the nation's leading producer of strawberries, averaging 1.4
billion pounds of strawberries or 83% of the country's total fresh and
frozen strawberry production. Approximately 12% of the crop is exported to
Canada, Mexico, United Kingdom, Hong Kong and Japan primarily. The value of
the California strawberry crop is approximately $700 million with related
employment of more than 48,000 people.

California produces 25% of the nation's onions and 43% of the nation's green
onions.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 24/05/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "William" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>> lot of
>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>> people
>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>>
>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>>
>>> William
>>
>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since CA
>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up, rinse
>> off.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
> Save water - Shower with a friend!
> Graham

I assume you can shave your legs and armpits in that time as well? I can do
all that in five. LOL

Cheri

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 12:32:44 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot of
> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>
> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
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My sister-in-law lives in Oroville CA. They have the largest dam in the country made of dirt and rubble. The lake created by the dam is at such a low level that it's being used as a symbol for the drought in CA. It's expected that people using the lake this Memorial Day will be down by around 50%. OTOH, some of the old timers there will tell you the water level was worse back in the 1976 drought.

I have been on Lake Oroville in my in-law's pontoon boat. My daughter gave me a ride on their jet ski thingie. Ha ha, she just went balls out the whole time. I don't know what the hell that was about. I think she might have wanted to show me something...

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>
>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On 5/24/2015 4:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> > > I have noticed several people here mention California. We have
>>> > > had a lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were
>>> > > shown the huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They
>>> > > were showing how people with lush grass and full swimming pools
>>> > > were being demonised.
>>> > >
>>> > > Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > The worst thing imaginable is IF this becomes part of the predicted
>>> > megadrought in the Western US.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.fastcoexist.com/3044538/w...s/5-things-cal
>>> > ifornia-can-do-to-survive-a-megadrought
>>> >
>>> > 1. SAY GOODBYE TO THE LAWN
>>> >
>>> > 2. REDESIGN CITIES AS SPONGES
>>> >
>>> > 3. RETHINK THE ALMOND
>>> >
>>> > 4. FIX THE PIPES
>>> >
>>> > 5. SMARTER DESALINATION
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > They'll need to move quickly on all of the above.
>>> >
>>> > And we'll all need to get used to buying more produce from Mexico.
>>>
>>> Oh dear
>>
>> Ophelia, relax. He's massively overestimated the food issues for
>> example. It could be people in *California* (southern part) might get
>> more food from south of them but the only real effect will be the big
>> wine industry, yet most grapes are pretty tolerant of drought,
>> producing simply less grapes.
>>
>> California does have the biggest ticket sales but that is becsause they
>> export most of it as in fancy stuff you might find on your shelves.
>> It's not an never has been a breadbasket of the USA. Not a single
>> product grown there in any quantity hits our top 10 food exports for
>> example.
>>
>> I'm not saying it isnt serious, but neither they nor we will go hungry
>> over California's drought.
>
> It sounds pretty serious to me

It is, but not to people who don't live here. It all depends on whose ox is
getting gored in these cases.

Cheri

On 5/24/2015 12:43 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>>
>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/24/2015 4:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have
>>>> had a lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were
>>>> shown the huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They
>>>> were showing how people with lush grass and full swimming pools
>>>> were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>
>>> The worst thing imaginable is IF this becomes part of the predicted
>>> megadrought in the Western US.
>>>
>>> http://www.fastcoexist.com/3044538/w...s/5-things-cal
>>> ifornia-can-do-to-survive-a-megadrought
>>>
>>> 1. SAY GOODBYE TO THE LAWN
>>>
>>> 2. REDESIGN CITIES AS SPONGES
>>>
>>> 3. RETHINK THE ALMOND
>>>
>>> 4. FIX THE PIPES
>>>
>>> 5. SMARTER DESALINATION
>>>
>>>
>>> They'll need to move quickly on all of the above.
>>>
>>> And we'll all need to get used to buying more produce from Mexico.
>>
>> Oh dear
>
> Ophelia, relax. He's massively overestimated the food issues for
> example.

I have?

When?

> It could be people in *California* (southern part) might get
> more food from south of them but the only real effect will be the big
> wine industry, yet most grapes are pretty tolerant of drought,
> producing simply less grapes.

That's a bit of a red herring.

> California does have the biggest ticket sales but that is becsause they
> export most of it as in fancy stuff you might find on your shelves.
> It's not an never has been a breadbasket of the USA. Not a single
> product grown there in any quantity hits our top 10 food exports for
> example.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health...t_without.html

California produces a sizable majority of many American fruits,
vegetables, and nuts: 99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts,
97 percent of kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95
percent of garlic, 89 percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and
69 percent of carrots (and the list goes on and on). Some of this is due
to climate and soil. No other state, or even a combination of states,
can match California’s output per acre. Lemon yields in California, for
example, are more than 50 percent higher than in Arizona. California
spinach yield per acre is 60 percent higher than the national average.
Without California, supply of all these products in the United States
and abroad would dip, and in the first few years, a few might be nearly
impossible to find. Orchard-based products in particular, such as nuts
and some fruits, would take many years to spring back.

Price surges would eventually become the larger issue. Rising prices
would force Americans to consume more grains, which are locked in a
complicated price-dependent relationship with fresh fruits, vegetables,
and meats. When the price of produce increases, people eat more grain.
When the price of grain drops, people eat more fruits and vegetables.
(In fact, in some parts of the world, wheat and rice are the only proven
“Giffen goods”—a product in which decreasing prices lead to decreasing
demand.) Young people and the poor in America, more than others, eat
less fresh food when prices rise.

The loss of California’s output would create a dire situation for at
least a decade. History suggests, however, that we’d eventually find a
way to cope.

> I'm not saying it isnt serious, but neither they nor we will go hungry
> over California's drought.
> Carol

I guess that depends on what one consumes.

It will, if unabated, ripple through the entire US food supply chain.

This is undeniable.