"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 3:19 PM, Cheri wrote:

>>> Hmmm, I seem to remember my dad calling it the three S's. S***,
>>> shower and shave. And it was under 5 minutes.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Was he also shaving his legs and armpits in that time? :-)
>>
>> Cheri
>
> LOL nope. AFAIK Marines didn't shave their legs or armpits. I don't
> think they shaved their chests either.
>
> Jill

LOL

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 12:43:58 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Time to invade Canada. We will be greeted as liberators and the cost of
>> the
>> war will pay for itself with water revenues.
>>
> Nestlé can build the water pipeline.
>
> --
>
> sf

Yep, bunch of water thieves.

"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 3:55 PM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 4:50:31 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Roy" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 12:23:25 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 24/05/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "William" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news >>>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the
>>>>>>> California
>>>>>>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>>>>>>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>>>>>>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> William
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since
>>>>>> CA
>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> I tried that shower with a friend thing but my GF kept getting all the
>>>> water
>>>> and I was too distracted to worry about it.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>
>> Thanks for contributing to the conversation again ****.
>>
>
> Isn't it about time you performed that Bic pen lobotomy on yourself?

He already has, and it shows.

Cheri

"The Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:23:30 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>I didnt ay it isnt serious for you folks. I said it is bogus that it
>>will cause wild famine in the USA. The product from California are
>>largly luxury items or produced in near the same amounts elsewhere in
>>the USA.
>
> That is SIMPLY NOT TRUE!!

And I don't think anyone said it would cause massive famine, but...it can be
serious price wise, and product wise.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>
>> >> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since
>> >> CA
>> >> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>> >> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>> >> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>> >> rinse
>> >> off.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> >>
>> >>
>> > 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>> > Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>
>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps to
>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet the
>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>
> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>
> --
>
> sf

There ya go, especially legs, unless he's shaving his feet just to the
ankle. ;-)

Cheri

On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>
>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since CA
>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up, rinse
>>>> off.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>
>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps to
>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet the
>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>
> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>
You DON'T need to shave your legs!
Graham

--

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot of
> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>
> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/


We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the second and a heavy-duty one for the third.

Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise health, safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough because being the eternal optimist, I planted several things last Autumn thinking that 'yes indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I planted three rose bushes. Now I am committed to these living things I plan to save water on household chores and use what I have left of our ration on the outdoors.

It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH and I went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural country. I was shocked to see the new plantings everywhere; grapevines, of course, but also trees, lots of them, possibly almond; I couldn't tell from the car.

It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less food because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever else they eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a drought and it was awful to read about.

Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of fire. That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.

Nellie

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:30:59 PM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>
> >> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since CA
> >> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
> >> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
> >> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up, rinse
> >> off.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >>
> >>
> > 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
> > Save water - Shower with a friend!
>
> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps to
> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet the
> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
> hot water I am ready to rinse.

Yes, but we collect the cold water that runs off while waiting for it to warm up. I have bought a dozen or more big gallon pitchers and I use that water to water the outdoors. It's amazing how much water runs down the drain while we (used to) wait.

Nellie

On 5/24/2015 6:49 PM, graham wrote:
> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>> since CA
>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>> rinse
>>>>> off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>
>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps to
>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet the
>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>
>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>
> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
> Graham
>


Whoa...nature boy...easy there...

On 5/24/2015 6:51 PM, Nellie wrote:
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot of
>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
>
> We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>
> Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise health, safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough because being the eternal optimist, I planted several things last Autumn thinking that 'yes indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I planted three rose bushes. Now I am committed to these living things I plan to save water on household chores and use what I have left of our ration on the outdoors.
>
> It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH and I went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural country. I was shocked to see the new plantings everywhere; grapevines, of course, but also trees, lots of them, possibly almond; I couldn't tell from the car.
>
> It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less food because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever else they eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a drought and it was awful to read about.
>
> Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of fire. That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.
>
> Nellie
>


I recall some years back when it burned into Oakland and Berkely too, iirc.

Scary indeed.

On 5/24/2015 2:23 PM, graham wrote:

>>
> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
> Save water - Shower with a friend!
> Graham

Yeah, but then I may take 20 minutes.

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> wrote in
> :
>
>>> > I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise
>>> > them?
>>>
>>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in
>>> the middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an
>>> easy target.
>>
>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
>> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
>> compared to tomatoes.
>
> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot grow a
> single almond, you have to grow a tree which will produce many
> almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds per tree if my
> experience in Andalucia is similar), each if them requiring a
> "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of water. You can however
> grow a few tomatoes instead of a hundred.

One almond tree produces thousands of almonds. And the thing is they must
be watered year round, you cannot let an almond orchard go fallow. They
must be watered when not producing.

> Cracker economics.



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> wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:06:28 PM UTC-7, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> > > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> >>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>> >>> lot
>> >>> of
>> >>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> >>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>> >>> people
>> >>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>> >>
>> >> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
>> >> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>> >
>> > I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
>> >
>>
>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in the middle
>> (or
>> beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an easy target.
>>
>
> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3 gallons of water
> to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium compared to tomatoes.

Almond and other nut trees must be watered continuously unlike growing
fields which can be left fallow.



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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since
>>>>> CA
>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>> rinse
>>>>> off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>
>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps to
>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet the
>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>
>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>
> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
> Graham

You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.

Cheri

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> >"cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >>>"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>> > > > ...
>> >>>> On 5/24/2015 4:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> >>>> > I have noticed several people here mention California. We have
>> >>>> > had a lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We
>> were >>>> > shown the huge reservoirs with very little water in them.
>> They >>>> > were showing how people with lush grass and full swimming
>> pools >>>> > were being demonised.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>> >>>> >
>> > > > >
>> >>>> The worst thing imaginable is IF this becomes part of the
>> predicted >>>> megadrought in the Western US.
>> > > > >
>> >>>>
>> http://www.fastcoexist.com/3044538/w...s/5-things-cal
>> >>>> ifornia-can-do-to-survive-a-megadrought
>> > > > >
>> >>>> 1. SAY GOODBYE TO THE LAWN
>> > > > >
>> >>>> 2. REDESIGN CITIES AS SPONGES
>> > > > >
>> >>>> 3. RETHINK THE ALMOND
>> > > > >
>> >>>> 4. FIX THE PIPES
>> > > > >
>> >>>> 5. SMARTER DESALINATION
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> >>>> They'll need to move quickly on all of the above.
>> > > > >
>> >>>> And we'll all need to get used to buying more produce from
>> Mexico.
>> > > >
>> > > > Oh dear
>> > >
>> > > Ophelia, relax. He's massively overestimated the food issues for
>> > > example. It could be people in California (southern part) might
>> > > get more food from south of them but the only real effect will be
>> > > the big wine industry, yet most grapes are pretty tolerant of
>> > > drought, producing simply less grapes.
>> > >
>> > > California does have the biggest ticket sales but that is
>> > > becsause they export most of it as in fancy stuff you might find
>> > > on your shelves. It's not an never has been a breadbasket of the
>> > > USA. Not a single product grown there in any quantity hits our
>> > > top 10 food exports for example.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not saying it isnt serious, but neither they nor we will go
>> > > hungry over California's drought.
>> >
>> > It sounds pretty serious to me
>>
>> It is, but not to people who don't live here. It all depends on whose
>> ox is getting gored in these cases.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I didnt ay it isnt serious for you folks. I said it is bogus that it
> will cause wild famine in the USA. The product from California are
> largly luxury items or produced in near the same amounts elsewhere in
> the USA.
>

That's utter nonsense. California grows more carrots than anyplace in the
country and that goes for a lot of vegetables and fruits like peaches,
pears, apricots, grapes, oranges, lemons, limes, melons of all kinds,
squashes, tomatoes, beets and a zillion other foods that one can hardly call
"luxury."

Why not just stop typing while you're ahead, you ignorant dolt? Read up
knucklehead:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health...t_without.html

"California produces a sizable majority of many American fruits, vegetables,
and nuts: 99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of
kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95 percent of garlic, 89
percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and 69 percent of carrots
(and the list goes on ...Jul 10, 2013"



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"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 6:51 PM, Nellie wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>> lot of
>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>
>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>
>>
>> We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
>> rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
>> second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>>
>> Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
>> health, safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough because
>> being the eternal optimist, I planted several things last Autumn thinking
>> that 'yes indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I planted three rose
>> bushes. Now I am committed to these living things I plan to save water
>> on household chores and use what I have left of our ration on the
>> outdoors.
>>
>> It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH and
>> I went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural country.
>> I was shocked to see the new plantings everywhere; grapevines, of course,
>> but also trees, lots of them, possibly almond; I couldn't tell from the
>> car.
>>
>> It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less food
>> because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever else
>> they eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a drought and
>> it was awful to read about.
>>
>> Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of fire.
>> That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.
>>
>> Nellie
>>
>
>
> I recall some years back when it burned into Oakland and Berkely too,
> iirc.
>
> Scary indeed.

Yes, that was truly awful.

Cherei

> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 12:43:58 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:37:58 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 24 May 2015 16:39:10 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> > ...
>>>>> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>> >>a
>>>>> >>lot
>>>>> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>> >>huge
>>>>> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>> >>people
>>>>> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>> > food,
>>>>> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>> > cutback
>>>>> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>> > year we
>>>>> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in
>>>>> > full
>>>>> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>>>> come
>>>>> from?
>>>>
>>>>There's no talk of a water pipeline yet. Oil gets lots of pipelines,
>>>>water gets none.
>>>
>>> who were you wanting to take the water from?
>>
>>
>>Time to invade Canada. We will be greeted as liberators and the cost of
>>the
>>war will pay for itself with water revenues.
>
> You are in for a ghastly shock!

We will free you from the clutches of socialism. You will finally have free
market health care, vouchers for schools, your suffering rich will be free
from their tax burden and we'll keep those pesky foreigners from voting.

Freedom for Canada!



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"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 12:45:24 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:39:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>>
>>>>Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.
>>>
>>> Be careful what you wish for. . .look what has happened to the drought
>>> in Texas. Boats, anyone?
>>> Janet US
>>
>>We get most of our water from winter snowpack. So no flooding problems.
>>
>>
>>
> I was really thinking of torrential rain hitting your burned-off,
> fragile hillsides.
> Janet US

It's happened. Fire season is going to be terrinble this year.



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"taxed and spent" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> > ...
>>>>> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>> >>a lot
>>>>> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>> >>huge
>>>>> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>> >>people
>>>>> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>> > food,
>>>>> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>> > cutback
>>>>> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>> > year we
>>>>> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in
>>>>> > full
>>>>> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
>>>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>>>
>>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>>
>>
>> That would take tax money.
>>
>> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us
>> going? This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can you
>> plan for?
>>
>
> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we have
> tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity, I would
> say we need more storage.

We're in a 100 year drought. No amount of planning would have helped.



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"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:42:27 -0600, Cabrito del Bosque
> > wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2015 10:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 5/24/2015 12:37 PM, sf wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> There's no talk of a water pipeline yet. Oil gets lots of pipelines,
>> >> water gets none.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Where would the pipeline come from? Is there enough water in a
>> > reasonable distance? If so, it would be a smart idea.
>>
>>
>> Shatner thinks so.
>>
>> Seattle may differ.
>
> I'm thinking Great Lakes region, Canada... places with plenty of water
> that are willing to exchange it for money. Just like oil is now.


How do we take water only from the US "side" of the great lakes, exactly?



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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:34:45 -0600, Cabrito del Bosque
> > wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2015 10:32 AM, notbob wrote:
>> > On 2015-05-24, William > wrote:
>> >
>> >> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>> >
>> > Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.
>> >
>> > nb
>> >
>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0N601V20150415
>
> Why not use the desalinized water for agriculture?

It is extremely expensive water and could not be produced on that scale and
be economically viable/



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>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>> with the washing machine,

Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.

On 5/24/2015 2:42 PM, sf wrote:

>>
>> Where would the pipeline come from? Is there enough water in a
>> reasonable distance? If so, it would be a smart idea.
>
> Who needs a reasonable distance? If oil can be piped from Mid-Canada
> to the Gulf coast then water can go that distance too.
>

Willing to pay $65 a barrel for water?

On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:01:33 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"Janet B" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 12:45:24 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:39:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>>>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.
>>>>
>>>> Be careful what you wish for. . .look what has happened to the drought
>>>> in Texas. Boats, anyone?
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>>We get most of our water from winter snowpack. So no flooding problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I was really thinking of torrential rain hitting your burned-off,
>> fragile hillsides.
>> Janet US
>
>It's happened. Fire season is going to be terrinble this year.
>
Here too. Although we do not have any burnt off hillsides around the
city, we have had a lot of spring rain -- just enough to put a lot of
fuel up there. Elsewhere we have burnt off mountain sides from the
fires of last year and the year before plus insect killed trees. The
whole West is going to burn up.
Janet US

On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:07:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:34:45 -0600, Cabrito del Bosque
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/24/2015 10:32 AM, notbob wrote:
>>> > On 2015-05-24, William > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>>> >
>>> > Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.
>>> >
>>> > nb
>>> >
>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0N601V20150415
>>
>> Why not use the desalinized water for agriculture?
>
>It is extremely expensive water and could not be produced on that scale and
>be economically viable/
>
treated graywater or black water could be used for irrigation. It all
comes with a cost.
Janet US

On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>
>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps to
>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>> the
>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>
>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>
>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>> Graham
>
> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>
> Cheri
>
I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
Graham

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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:03:07 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"taxed and spent" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> > ...
>>>>>>> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have
>>>>>>> >>had
>>>>>>> >>a lot
>>>>>>> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>> >>huge
>>>>>>> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>> >>people
>>>>>>> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>>> > food,
>>>>>>> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>>> > cutback
>>>>>>> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>>> > year we
>>>>>>> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in
>>>>>>> > full
>>>>>>> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>>>>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That would take tax money.
>>>>
>>>> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us
>>>> going? This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can
>>>> you
>>>> plan for?
>>>>
>>>
>>> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we
>>> have
>>> tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity, I would
>>> say we need more storage.
>>
>>We're in a 100 year drought. No amount of planning would have helped.
>
> There comes a point where it's not a drought; it's your weather.

Climate. Not weather. And this well could be a permanent climate shift.



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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>
>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps
>>>>> to
>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>>> the
>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>
>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>> Graham
>>
>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
> Graham


As an American male I am pretty averse to it myself. Carry on, ladies.



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On 5/24/2015 4:03 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

>
> Mosty of the nuts are sold to China. Most of the nut farms are owned by
> Wall Street investment companies. So Wall Street is exacerbating the
> problem by planing thousand sof new acres with nut trees to increase their
> profits.
>

That is true, but the almond growers also employ people, the employees
buy groceries and pay taxes. Others maintain equipment.

Sounds like you need balance.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 4:03 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>>
>> Mosty of the nuts are sold to China. Most of the nut farms are owned by
>> Wall Street investment companies. So Wall Street is exacerbating the
>> problem by planing thousand sof new acres with nut trees to increase
>> their
>> profits.
>>
>
> That is true, but the almond growers also employ people, the employees buy
> groceries and pay taxes. Others maintain equipment.

Almond growing is a very low labor business. It is mostly mechanized. One
does not pick almonds, they are shaken from the tree using a special
machine.

> Sounds like you need balance.

Sounds like we need to stop selling ourselves down the river for short term
profits.



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On 24/05/2015 9:18 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>>
>>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
>> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
>> Graham
>
>
> As an American male I am pretty averse to it myself. Carry on, ladies.
>
>
So you've been indoctrinated too!
Graham

On 5/24/2015 11:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:


>> Sounds like you need balance.
>
> Sounds like we need to stop selling ourselves down the river for short term
> profits.
>

I'm going to pick up a half gallon jar of almond butter tomorrow. Good
stuff.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 11:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>
>>> Sounds like you need balance.
>>
>> Sounds like we need to stop selling ourselves down the river for short
>> term
>> profits.
>>
>
> I'm going to pick up a half gallon jar of almond butter tomorrow. Good
> stuff.

You would. But I was referring to Wall Street greed. There is no such
thing as balance when they stick their proboscis into anything that even
smells a little of money.





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On 5/25/2015 12:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 11:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Sounds like you need balance.
>>>
>>> Sounds like we need to stop selling ourselves down the river for short
>>> term
>>> profits.
>>>
>>
>> I'm going to pick up a half gallon jar of almond butter tomorrow. Good
>> stuff.
>
> You would. But I was referring to Wall Street greed. There is no such
> thing as balance when they stick their proboscis into anything that even
> smells a little of money.
>

You still have to go back to the roots. Is California better off with
or without almonds? Forget Wall Street, the answer is either yes or no.

On 5/24/2015 7:49 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>>> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise
>>>>> them?
>>>>
>>>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in
>>>> the middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an
>>>> easy target.
>>>
>>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
>>> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
>>> compared to tomatoes.
>>
>> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot grow a
>> single almond, you have to grow a tree which will produce many
>> almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds per tree if my
>> experience in Andalucia is similar), each if them requiring a
>> "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of water. You can however
>> grow a few tomatoes instead of a hundred.
>
> One almond tree produces thousands of almonds. And the thing is they must
> be watered year round, you cannot let an almond orchard go fallow. They
> must be watered when not producing.
>

Your bullshit has already been corrected, little man.

**** off, before I make you.

On 5/24/2015 7:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:06:28 PM UTC-7, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>
>>>>> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
>>>>> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>>>>
>>>> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
>>>>
>>>
>>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in the middle
>>> (or
>>> beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an easy target.
>>>
>>
>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3 gallons of water
>> to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium compared to tomatoes.
>
> Almond and other nut trees must be watered continuously unlike growing
> fields which can be left fallow.
>

The gallon per nut figure is confirmed.

You lied ASSHOLE - **** YOU!

On 5/24/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>
>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps to
>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>> the
>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>
>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>
>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>> Graham
>
> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>
> Cheri
>


Doh!

Canaduh defined..

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/25/2015 12:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/24/2015 11:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sounds like you need balance.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like we need to stop selling ourselves down the river for short
>>>> term
>>>> profits.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm going to pick up a half gallon jar of almond butter tomorrow. Good
>>> stuff.
>>
>> You would. But I was referring to Wall Street greed. There is no such
>> thing as balance when they stick their proboscis into anything that even
>> smells a little of money.
>>
>
> You still have to go back to the roots. Is California better off with or
> without almonds? Forget Wall Street, the answer is either yes or no.

Not the point I was making.



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On 5/24/2015 7:57 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 6:51 PM, Nellie wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>> a lot of
>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>> people
>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>
>>>
>>> We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will
>>> be rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for
>>> the second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>>>
>>> Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
>>> health, safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough
>>> because being the eternal optimist, I planted several things last
>>> Autumn thinking that 'yes indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I
>>> planted three rose bushes. Now I am committed to these living things
>>> I plan to save water on household chores and use what I have left
>>> of our ration on the outdoors.
>>>
>>> It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH
>>> and I went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural
>>> country. I was shocked to see the new plantings everywhere;
>>> grapevines, of course, but also trees, lots of them, possibly almond;
>>> I couldn't tell from the car.
>>>
>>> It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less
>>> food because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever
>>> else they eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a
>>> drought and it was awful to read about.
>>>
>>> Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of
>>> fire. That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.
>>>
>>> Nellie
>>>
>>
>>
>> I recall some years back when it burned into Oakland and Berkely too,
>> iirc.
>>
>> Scary indeed.
>
> Yes, that was truly awful.
>
> Cherei


What was 'interesting' was to see which homes survived close flames.

Stucco rules.

On 5/24/2015 8:00 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 12:43:58 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:37:58 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 16:39:10 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>>> food,
>>>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>>> cutback
>>>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>>> year we
>>>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in
>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> from?
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no talk of a water pipeline yet. Oil gets lots of pipelines,
>>>>> water gets none.
>>>>
>>>> who were you wanting to take the water from?
>>>
>>>
>>> Time to invade Canada. We will be greeted as liberators and the cost of
>>> the
>>> war will pay for itself with water revenues.
>>
>> You are in for a ghastly shock!
>
> We will free you from the clutches of socialism. You will finally have free
> market health care, vouchers for schools, your suffering rich will be free
> from their tax burden and we'll keep those pesky foreigners from voting.
>
> Freedom for Canada!
>

They'll douse your fat head with a bucket of water and let it freeze to
the tundra and die.