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>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>
> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!

Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's food,
half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35% cutback on
water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year we will
have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full anarchy
mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.




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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's food,
> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35% cutback
> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year we
> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>

But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.

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> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>>>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>
>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's food,
>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35% cutback
>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year
>> we will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>
>
> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.

So the prediction of anarchy might not be too far away from the truth??


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>people with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's food,
>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35% cutback
>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year
>>> we will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>
>>
>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>
> So the prediction of anarchy might not be too far away from the truth??
>

I don't see anarchy arising from our current totalitarian state.

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>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>>lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>people with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>> food, half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>> cutback on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the
>>>> last year we will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should
>>>> be in full anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal
>>>> immigrants.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>
>> So the prediction of anarchy might not be too far away from the truth??
>>
>
> I don't see anarchy arising from our current totalitarian state.

Where will your water come from? Are you in California?

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>>>lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>people with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>> food, half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>> cutback on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the
>>>>> last year we will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we
>>>>> should
>>>>> be in full anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal
>>>>> immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>
>>> So the prediction of anarchy might not be too far away from the truth??
>>>
>>
>> I don't see anarchy arising from our current totalitarian state.
>
> Where will your water come from? Are you in California?
>

We will have rain next winter, and then all will be forgotten. And then
everyone will be surprised when we have insufficient water during the next
totally predictable drought.

On 5/24/2015 10:14 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
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>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>>>> lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>> huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>> people with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>> food, half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>> cutback on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the
>>>>>> last year we will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be in full anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal
>>>>>> immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>>
>>>> So the prediction of anarchy might not be too far away from the truth??
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't see anarchy arising from our current totalitarian state.
>>
>> Where will your water come from? Are you in California?
>>
>
> We will have rain next winter, and then all will be forgotten. And then
> everyone will be surprised when we have insufficient water during the next
> totally predictable drought.
>
>
There's an el Nino already formed, but it hasn't helped Cali much...yet...

On 5/24/2015 9:41 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
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>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>> lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>> huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>> people with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's food,
>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35% cutback
>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year
>>>> we will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>
>> So the prediction of anarchy might not be too far away from the truth??
>>
>
> I don't see anarchy arising from our current totalitarian state.
>
>
+1

On 5/24/2015 9:40 AM, Ophelia wrote:
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>
> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
> ...
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>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>> a lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown
>>>> the huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were
>>>> showing how people with lush grass and full swimming pools were
>>>> being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>> food, half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a
>>> 35% cutback on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is
>>> the last year we will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we
>>> should be in full anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on
>>> illegal immigrants.
>>>
>>
>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>
> So the prediction of anarchy might not be too far away from the truth??
>
>
There's truth enough in that to be a concern.

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
> >>
> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
> >
> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's food,
> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35% cutback
> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year we
> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
> >
>
> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.

Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.

> wrote in message
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> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>> >>lot
>> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>> >>people
>> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>> >>
>> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>> >
>> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>> > food,
>> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>> > cutback
>> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year
>> > we
>> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>> >
>>
>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>
> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.

That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.

On 2015-05-24, taxed and spent > wrote:


> We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.

They can't fill the dams/resevoirs/aquifers they already have!

nb

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> On 2015-05-24, taxed and spent > wrote:
>
>
>> We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>
> They can't fill the dams/resevoirs/aquifers they already have!
>
> nb
>

we fill them up in the rainy years and save the water for a rainless period.

Our last big drought had Lake Shasta at very low levels. "They" said it
would take ten years to fill is back up. The first wet winter was not even
finished before water was spilling over the top.

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 2:33:26 PM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message
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> > On 2015-05-24, taxed and spent > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
> >
> > They can't fill the dams/resevoirs/aquifers they already have!

> we fill them up in the rainy years and save the water for a rainless period.
>
> Our last big drought had Lake Shasta at very low levels. "They" said it
> would take ten years to fill is back up. The first wet winter was not even
> finished before water was spilling over the top.

And how do we stop evaporation?

On 2015-05-24 21:33:24 +0000, taxed and spent said:

> Our last big drought had Lake Shasta at very low levels. "They" said
> it would take ten years to fill is back up. The first wet winter was
> not even finished before water was spilling over the top.

I met a "they" at a bus stop long ago who smelled mostly of urine.
"They" told me confidentially at that time that vampires would rule the
world by 1991.

I wouldn't depend on "they" for meteorological predictions.

On 5/24/2015 1:11 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
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>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>> people
>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>> food,
>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>> cutback
>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year
>>>> we
>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>
>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>
> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>
>
That is precisely what desert states are doing with groundwater
injection - water banking!

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>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> >
>>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> > ...
>>> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>> >>lot
>>> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>> >>people
>>> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>> >
>>> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>> > food,
>>> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>> > cutback
>>> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>> > year we
>>> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>> >
>>>
>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>
>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>
> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.


That would take tax money.

We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us going?
This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can you plan for?




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>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> >
>>>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> > ...
>>>> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>> >>lot
>>>> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>> >>people
>>>> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>> >
>>>> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>> > food,
>>>> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>> > cutback
>>>> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>> > year we
>>>> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>
>>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
>>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>>
>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>
>
> That would take tax money.
>
> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us
> going? This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can you
> plan for?
>

since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we have
tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity, I would say
we need more storage.

On 5/24/2015 3:34 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
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>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>> food,
>>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>> cutback
>>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>> year we
>>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
>>>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>>>
>>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>>
>>
>> That would take tax money.
>>
>> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us
>> going? This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can you
>> plan for?
>>
>
> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we have
> tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity, I would say
> we need more storage.
>
>
I need to rent "Chinatown" and ponder the perils of Hollis Mulwray.

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>>>>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> > ...
>>>>> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>> >>a lot
>>>>> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>> >>huge
>>>>> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>> >>people
>>>>> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>> > food,
>>>>> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>> > cutback
>>>>> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>> > year we
>>>>> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in
>>>>> > full
>>>>> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
>>>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>>>
>>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>>
>>
>> That would take tax money.
>>
>> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us
>> going? This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can you
>> plan for?
>>
>
> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we have
> tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity, I would
> say we need more storage.

We're in a 100 year drought. No amount of planning would have helped.



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On 5/24/2015 2:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>> food,
>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>> cutback
>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>> year we
>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>
>>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
>>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>>
>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>
>
> That would take tax money.
>
> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us going?
> This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can you plan for?

Ask Carlsbad, they built a desalination plant.

On 2015-05-24 20:01:44 +0000, Paul M. Cook said:

>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>
> That would take tax money.

Well we certainly need to save our world and preserve our way of
life--but not if it costs any money!!

> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us
> going? This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can
> you plan for?

Well, clearly we needed to have planned more. Apparently that cost too
much money too. I wonder how much it will cost for industries and
communities to die. I suppose they'll have to be buried
somewhere--will that be free?

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's food,
> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35% cutback
> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year we
> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>

So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water come
from?

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>>>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>
>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's food,
>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35% cutback
>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year
>> we
>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>
>
> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water come
> from?


Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It could get
very ugly.



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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>lot
>>>>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's food,
>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35% cutback
>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year
>>> we
>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>
>>
>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>> come from?
>
>
> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It could
> get very ugly.

Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>>lot
>>>>>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>people
>>>>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>> food,
>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>> cutback
>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last year
>>>> we
>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>> come from?
>>
>>
>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It could
>> get very ugly.
>
> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?

Of course I am worried. But short of moving to a wetter place I have no
options. We're all going to have to pitch in and do our part. I already
have cut my water use down to less than 10 gallons a day. The average is
65.



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On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
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> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?

Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.

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"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>
> Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.

I do hope you get one!!!

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On 5/24/2015 10:39 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>
> Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.
>
With this el nino it may happen.

http://unofficialnetworks.com/2015/0...ia-this-winter

Climate scientists at the International Research Institute for Climate
and Society (IRI) announced today that El Nino is growing stronger and
could bring much needed snow to California this winter. They are so
confident with their prediction that they are saying that El Nino is
close to 100 percent, with simulations suggesting it could exceed the
historic 1997-1998 season.

However, IRI scientists said global warming has made it difficult to
predict an El Nino event. Last spring, models predicted similar El Niño
drought-busting conditions. California went on to see the driest January
in 40 years last winter.

“The difference is that this year an El Nino is already in place, with
both ocean and atmosphere participating in the coupled climate
phenomenon,” said IRI’s Chief Forecaster Tony Barnston.

If the conditions continue on this trend, then California and most of
the Northern Hemisphere would be in for a very deep winter.

On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:39:02 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>
>Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.

Be careful what you wish for. . .look what has happened to the drought
in Texas. Boats, anyone?
Janet US

On 5/24/2015 12:49 PM, Janet B wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:39:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>
>> Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.
>
> Be careful what you wish for. . .look what has happened to the drought
> in Texas. Boats, anyone?
> Janet US
>
Harshly enough that is precisely what it takes to break the back of a
drought.

"Janet B" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:39:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>
>>Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.
>
> Be careful what you wish for. . .look what has happened to the drought
> in Texas. Boats, anyone?
> Janet US

We get most of our water from winter snowpack. So no flooding problems.



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On 5/24/2015 10:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>> a lot
>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>> people
>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>> food,
>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>> cutback
>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>> year we
>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>> come from?
>>
>>
>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>> could get very ugly.
>
> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>
>
I suspect many are worried enough to be stunned to silence.

"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
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> On 5/24/2015 10:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>> food,
>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>> cutback
>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>> year we
>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>>> come from?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>>> could get very ugly.
>>
>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>
>>
> I suspect many are worried enough to be stunned to silence.

Especially since they were releasing all tha water from dams a couple of
years ago. Idiots.

Cheri

On 5/24/2015 12:14 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 10:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>> food,
>>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>> cutback
>>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>> year we
>>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>>>> come from?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>>>> could get very ugly.
>>>
>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>
>>>
>> I suspect many are worried enough to be stunned to silence.
>
> Especially since they were releasing all tha water from dams a couple of
> years ago. Idiots.
>
> Cheri
>
>
The Smelt caper?

http://spectator.org/articles/40982/...middle-drought

ANYONE DOUBTING THAT OUR nation's environmental and economic policies
can get seriously out of whack from time to time need only look to the
Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta. Located in California's Central
Valley, between the state's capital city and Stockton, it is where the
American, Mokelumne, Cosumnes, and Calaveras Rivers flow into the larger
Sacramento and San Joaquin. It is also where the saddest agricultural
saga since the Depression-era Dust Bowl is now playing, as the waters
from those rivers flow beneath San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge and
out to sea. As they flow unimpeded to the Pacific, those waters are also
washing out to sea the livelihoods of tens of thousands of farm workers
and agricultural business owners. It is an economic as well as human
tragedy.

Further curbs may come, on behalf of the delta smelt as well as other
species. The USFWS and the California Fish and Game Commission are
moving forward with threatened and endangered designations for Chinook
salmon, steelhead, and the longfin smelt, presaging further water
reductions for agriculture.

The result of these irrigation pump shutdowns is that hundreds of
thousands of acres of farmland are being forced out of production. Kern
County authorities estimated that 145,000 of the 850,000 acres that are
typically irrigated were idled or under-irrigated last year. The loss
was pegged at $100 million in the county alone. A study by UC-Davis
estimated San Joaquin Valley farm revenue losses to range from $482
million to $647 million. Total California agricultural economic losses
could hit $3 billion this year.

But those are just abstract financial numbers. Behind those figures are
real people, farmers and business owners and families who are losing
livelihoods and are being forced to uproot and flee. The UC-Davis study
conservatively suggested 24,000 to 32,000 Central Valley jobs were
destroyed by environmental rulings designed to protect endangered
wildlife. It further estimated job losses could approach 80,000 or more
if restrictions intensified. Communities are withering for a
government-imposed lack of water. It is little exaggeration to say that
the farmers of the most valuable farming region in the nation are facing
extinction.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
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> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
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>> On 5/24/2015 10:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
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>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>> food,
>>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>> cutback
>>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>> year we
>>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in full
>>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So if there will be no water in the reservoirs, where will your water
>>>>> come from?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>>>> could get very ugly.
>>>
>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>
>>>
>> I suspect many are worried enough to be stunned to silence.
>
> Especially since they were releasing all tha water from dams a couple of
> years ago. Idiots.

Without water flowing to the sea you get dry rivers and salt water polluted
deltas. You cannot have an excosystem without flowing water. Damning every
drop just makes the problem very much worse. A great many creatures besides
humans need that water, too. And unlike humans they cannot do with less.




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On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It could
>> get very ugly.
>
>Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?

Well it's a little off-topic.

J.

On Mon, 25 May 2015 13:28:28 -0700, JRStern >
wrote:

> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It could
> >> get very ugly.
> >
> >Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
> >speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>
> Well it's a little off-topic.
>
When people complain about too much rain and I reply with "send some
to California"... I'd say there were a few hints about the drought.


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"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 25 May 2015 13:28:28 -0700, JRStern >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>> >> could
>> >> get very ugly.
>> >
>> >Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>> >speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>
>> Well it's a little off-topic.
>>
> When people complain about too much rain and I reply with "send some
> to California"... I'd say there were a few hints about the drought.
>
>
> --
>
> sf

Yes, we've pretty much covered it in posts this past year.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 25 May 2015 13:28:28 -0700, JRStern >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>> >> could
>> >> get very ugly.
>> >
>> >Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>> >speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>
>> Well it's a little off-topic.
>>
> When people complain about too much rain and I reply with "send some
> to California"... I'd say there were a few hints about the drought.

Of course, but I never expected it to be so bad!

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