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>
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>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>> lot
>>> of
>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>
>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
>> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>
> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
>

When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in the middle (or
beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an easy target.



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On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:06:28 PM UTC-7, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> >>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
> >>> lot
> >>> of
> >>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
> >>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
> >>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
> >>
> >> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
> >> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
> >
> > I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
> >
>
> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in the middle (or
> beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an easy target.
>

It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3 gallons of water
to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium compared to tomatoes.

wrote in
:

>> > I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise
>> > them?
>>
>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in
>> the middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an
>> easy target.
>
> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
> compared to tomatoes.

That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot grow a
single almond, you have to grow a tree which will produce many
almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds per tree if my
experience in Andalucia is similar), each if them requiring a
"gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of water. You can however
grow a few tomatoes instead of a hundred.

Cracker economics.

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you have chosen the side of the oppressor " --
Desmond Tutu

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> wrote in
> :
>
>>> > I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise
>>> > them?
>>>
>>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in
>>> the middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an
>>> easy target.
>>
>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
>> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
>> compared to tomatoes.
>
> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot grow a
> single almond, you have to grow a tree which will produce many
> almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds per tree if my
> experience in Andalucia is similar), each if them requiring a
> "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of water. You can however
> grow a few tomatoes instead of a hundred.


WAY more than 100 almonds per tree.

On 5/24/2015 3:38 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
> "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>>> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise
>>>>> them?
>>>>
>>>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in
>>>> the middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an
>>>> easy target.
>>>
>>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
>>> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
>>> compared to tomatoes.
>>
>> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot grow a
>> single almond, you have to grow a tree which will produce many
>> almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds per tree if my
>> experience in Andalucia is similar), each if them requiring a
>> "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of water. You can however
>> grow a few tomatoes instead of a hundred.
>
>
> WAY more than 100 almonds per tree.
>
>
But regardless it still works out to roughly a gallon per nut.

"taxed and spent" > wrote in
:

>> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot
>> grow a single almond, you have to grow a tree which will
>> produce many almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds
>> per tree if my experience in Andalucia is similar), each if
>> them requiring a "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of
>> water. You can however grow a few tomatoes instead of a
>> hundred.
>
> WAY more than 100 almonds per tree.

In 1967 in Andalucia, a non-commercial tree would not have produced
as much...but I was merely showing how ludricous the comparison
was.

--

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you have chosen the side of the oppressor " --
Desmond Tutu

On 5/24/2015 2:32 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> wrote in
> :
>
>>>> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise
>>>> them?
>>>
>>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in
>>> the middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an
>>> easy target.
>>
>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
>> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
>> compared to tomatoes.
>
> That is cracker economics at its most risible.

Bullshit lie!

http://www.almonds.com/blog/water/al...-water-numbers

Over the past two decades, almond growers have reduced the amount of
water they use per pound of almonds by 33%.4 Key strategies, for
example, have included the wide adaptation of micro-drip irrigation
instead of traditional sprinklers, soil maps, and soil monitoring
systems that allow for demand-based irrigation instead of scheduled
irrigation.
While it’s true that more acres of California farmland are being used to
grow almonds, that doesn’t tell the full story. That shift toward
almonds – and other perennial crops like other nuts and olives – has not
led to an increase in water used for farming overall in the state. In
fact, from 2000 to 2010, the state’s agricultural water use held
steady.5 By the way, so did urban and environmental use.
Some reports have overstated agriculture’s share of water use in
California. Agriculture accounts for about 40 percent of the state’s
developed water usage in an average year. Fifty percent is comprised by
environmental water use, including water in rivers, streams, wetlands
and water needed to maintain water quality for agricultural and urban
use, and 10 percent is used in urban areas.6 All these types of usage
are important for California.
It takes water to grow almonds. It also takes water to raise all other
animal- and plant-based food, as well as to make your make your car,
jeans and cell phone. Estimating exactly how much water any particular
item takes to produce is extremely difficult, but for a broader
perspective, you may appreciate this useful online tool from the U.S.
Department of the Interior’s U.S. Geological Survey.
Many people don’t know that almond trees produce two crops with the
water they use. One is almonds, and the other is their hulls, which are
used for livestock feed. A useful by-product includes shells, which are
used in co-generation of energy and as livestock bedding.

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> wrote in
> :
>
>>> > I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise
>>> > them?
>>>
>>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in
>>> the middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an
>>> easy target.
>>
>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
>> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
>> compared to tomatoes.
>
> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot grow a
> single almond, you have to grow a tree which will produce many
> almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds per tree if my
> experience in Andalucia is similar), each if them requiring a
> "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of water. You can however
> grow a few tomatoes instead of a hundred.

One almond tree produces thousands of almonds. And the thing is they must
be watered year round, you cannot let an almond orchard go fallow. They
must be watered when not producing.

> Cracker economics.



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On 5/24/2015 7:49 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote in
>> :
>>
>>>>> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise
>>>>> them?
>>>>
>>>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in
>>>> the middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an
>>>> easy target.
>>>
>>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
>>> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
>>> compared to tomatoes.
>>
>> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot grow a
>> single almond, you have to grow a tree which will produce many
>> almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds per tree if my
>> experience in Andalucia is similar), each if them requiring a
>> "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of water. You can however
>> grow a few tomatoes instead of a hundred.
>
> One almond tree produces thousands of almonds. And the thing is they must
> be watered year round, you cannot let an almond orchard go fallow. They
> must be watered when not producing.
>

Your bullshit has already been corrected, little man.

**** off, before I make you.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in
:

>>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
>>> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
>>> compared to tomatoes.
>>
>> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot
>> grow a single almond, you have to grow a tree which will
>> produce many almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds
>> per tree if my experience in Andalucia is similar), each if
>> them requiring a "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of
>> water. You can however grow a few tomatoes instead of a
>> hundred.
>
> One almond tree produces thousands of almonds.

In one batch or over the life of the tree?

> And the thing
> is they must be watered year round, you cannot let an almond
> orchard go fallow. They must be watered when not producing.

So it is cracker economics to compare water requirements of a
single almond to that of a tomato. Yes, it may require more water
for a tomato, but a tomato plant does not produce thousands of
tomatoes.

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you have chosen the side of the oppressor " --
Desmond Tutu

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in
> :
>
>>>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
>>>> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
>>>> compared to tomatoes.
>>>
>>> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot
>>> grow a single almond, you have to grow a tree which will
>>> produce many almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds
>>> per tree if my experience in Andalucia is similar), each if
>>> them requiring a "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of
>>> water. You can however grow a few tomatoes instead of a
>>> hundred.
>>
>> One almond tree produces thousands of almonds.
>
> In one batch or over the life of the tree? .

One season. 2,670 shelled pounds per acre in 2011.




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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in news:mjvifa$rnl$1@dont-
email.me:

>>>>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
>>>>> gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
>>>>> compared to tomatoes.
>>>>
>>>> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot
>>>> grow a single almond, you have to grow a tree which will
>>>> produce many almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds
>>>> per tree if my experience in Andalucia is similar), each if
>>>> them requiring a "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of
>>>> water. You can however grow a few tomatoes instead of a
>>>> hundred.
>>>
>>> One almond tree produces thousands of almonds.
>>
>> In one batch or over the life of the tree? .
>
> One season. 2,670 shelled pounds per acre in 2011.

Interesting. Any numbers on the percentage of production
converted to almond milk? It was practically unknown a few
years ago and now it's everywhere. It has given dairy
intolerants a leg up over gluten intolerants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oht9AEq1798

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you have chosen the side of the oppressor " --
Desmond Tutu

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:32:13 PM UTC-7, Michel Boucher wrote:
> wrote in
> :
>
> >> > I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise
> >> > them?
> >>
> >> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in
> >> the middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an
> >> easy target.
> >
> > It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
> > gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
> > compared to tomatoes.
>
> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot grow a
> single almond, you have to grow a tree which will produce many
> almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds per tree if my
> experience in Andalucia is similar), each if them requiring a
> "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of water. You can however
> grow a few tomatoes instead of a hundred.
>
> Cracker economics.

I got my numbers from the hippie-dippie Mother Jones magazine.

On 5/24/2015 2:20 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:06:28 PM UTC-7, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of
>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
>>>> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>>>
>>> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
>>>
>>
>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in the middle (or
>> beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an easy target.
>>
>
> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3 gallons of water
> to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium compared to tomatoes.
>

Thank you!

> wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:06:28 PM UTC-7, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> > > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> >>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>> >>> lot
>> >>> of
>> >>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> >>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>> >>> people
>> >>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>> >>
>> >> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
>> >> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>> >
>> > I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
>> >
>>
>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in the middle
>> (or
>> beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an easy target.
>>
>
> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3 gallons of water
> to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium compared to tomatoes.

Almond and other nut trees must be watered continuously unlike growing
fields which can be left fallow.



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On 5/24/2015 7:51 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:06:28 PM UTC-7, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>
>>>>> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
>>>>> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>>>>
>>>> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
>>>>
>>>
>>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in the middle
>>> (or
>>> beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an easy target.
>>>
>>
>> It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3 gallons of water
>> to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium compared to tomatoes.
>
> Almond and other nut trees must be watered continuously unlike growing
> fields which can be left fallow.
>

The gallon per nut figure is confirmed.

You lied ASSHOLE - **** YOU!

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>> lot
>>>> of
>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>> people
>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
>>> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>>
>> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
>>
>
> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in the middle
> (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an easy target.

Ok!

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On 5/24/2015 2:34 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>> a lot
>>>>> of
>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>> people
>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>
>>>> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
>>>> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>>>
>>> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
>>>
>>
>> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in the
>> middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an easy target.
>
> Ok!
>
But not, a lie actually:

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcaria...17-column.html

It's not clear exactly when almonds became the scapegoat for the
California drought.

Maybe it was last August, when the Atlantic posted "The Dark Side of
Almond Use," implicating the tasty little nut in every environmental
crisis from bee colony collapse disorder to the struggles of the state's
Chinook salmon population.

Or maybe it was in February, when a headline in Mother Jones blared, "It
takes how much water to grow an almond?!" (Profoundly misleading answer:
1.1 gallons per nut.)

Since then, the almond's culpability for you name it — our depleting
aquifers, our sinking topsoil, the heartbreak of psoriasis — has become
an article of faith among finger-wagging pundits and environmental
activists.

On 5/24/2015 2:06 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>> lot
>>>> of
>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>> While people want to demonize the almond, the water it takes to grow
>>> one is the same as what's used to flush away a wee.
>>
>> I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise them?
>>
>
> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in the middle (or
> beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an easy target.

When would that be?

I thought it was 8, looks a lot lower.

Looks like you were just caught LYING again, asshole!

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcaria...17-column.html

It's not clear exactly when almonds became the scapegoat for the
California drought.

Maybe it was last August, when the Atlantic posted "The Dark Side of
Almond Use," implicating the tasty little nut in every environmental
crisis from bee colony collapse disorder to the struggles of the state's
Chinook salmon population.

Or maybe it was in February, when a headline in Mother Jones blared, "It
takes how much water to grow an almond?!" (Profoundly misleading answer:
1.1 gallons per nut.)

Since then, the almond's culpability for you name it — our depleting
aquifers, our sinking topsoil, the heartbreak of psoriasis — has become
an article of faith among finger-wagging pundits and environmental
activists.

http://www.almonds.com/blog/water/al...-water-numbers

Over the past two decades, almond growers have reduced the amount of
water they use per pound of almonds by 33%.4 Key strategies, for
example, have included the wide adaptation of micro-drip irrigation
instead of traditional sprinklers, soil maps, and soil monitoring
systems that allow for demand-based irrigation instead of scheduled
irrigation.
While it’s true that more acres of California farmland are being used to
grow almonds, that doesn’t tell the full story. That shift toward
almonds – and other perennial crops like other nuts and olives – has not
led to an increase in water used for farming overall in the state. In
fact, from 2000 to 2010, the state’s agricultural water use held
steady.5 By the way, so did urban and environmental use.
Some reports have overstated agriculture’s share of water use in
California. Agriculture accounts for about 40 percent of the state’s
developed water usage in an average year. Fifty percent is comprised by
environmental water use, including water in rivers, streams, wetlands
and water needed to maintain water quality for agricultural and urban
use, and 10 percent is used in urban areas.6 All these types of usage
are important for California.
It takes water to grow almonds. It also takes water to raise all other
animal- and plant-based food, as well as to make your make your car,
jeans and cell phone. Estimating exactly how much water any particular
item takes to produce is extremely difficult, but for a broader
perspective, you may appreciate this useful online tool from the U.S.
Department of the Interior’s U.S. Geological Survey.
Many people don’t know that almond trees produce two crops with the
water they use. One is almonds, and the other is their hulls, which are
used for livestock feed. A useful by-product includes shells, which are
used in co-generation of energy and as livestock bedding.