"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>> of
>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
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>
>
> We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
> rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
> second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>
> Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
> health, safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough because
> being the eternal optimist, I planted several things last Autumn thinking
> that 'yes indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I planted three rose
> bushes. Now I am committed to these living things I plan to save water
> on household chores and use what I have left of our ration on the
> outdoors.
>
> It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH and
> I went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural country. I
> was shocked to see the new plantings everywhere; grapevines, of course,
> but also trees, lots of them, possibly almond; I couldn't tell from the
> car.
>
> It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less food
> because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever else they
> eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a drought and it
> was awful to read about.
>
> Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of fire.
> That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.

Thank you. I very much hope I will not be reading about fires ...

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"Nellie" > wrote in message
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On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
> of
> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>
> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/


We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
second and a heavy-duty one for the third.

Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise health,
safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough because being the
eternal optimist, I planted several things last Autumn thinking that 'yes
indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I planted three rose bushes. Now I
am committed to these living things I plan to save water on household
chores and use what I have left of our ration on the outdoors.

It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH and I
went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural country. I was
shocked to see the new plantings everywhere; grapevines, of course, but also
trees, lots of them, possibly almond; I couldn't tell from the car.

It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less food
because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever else they
eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a drought and it was
awful to read about.

Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of fire.
That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.

Nellie

--------

many golf courses us reclaimed water. They use a lot, so it makes sense to
add a pipeline.

On 5/25/2015 9:39 AM, taxed and spent wrote:

>
> We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
> rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
> second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>
> Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise health,
> safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would)

On what will they base use or savings on? If it is past use, you'd fare
better on your quota by using a lot of extra water until June 1.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/25/2015 9:39 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
>
>>
>> We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
>> rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
>> second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>>
>> Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
>> health,
>> safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would)
>
> On what will they base use or savings on? If it is past use, you'd fare
> better on your quota by using a lot of extra water until June 1.


You are not quoting ME, but you are incorrect, at least as far as my water
company is concerned. The base line is the average of all residential users
in 2013. So, since I use relatively little, I am not being penalized for my
prior thriftiness.

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 7:34:27 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/25/2015 9:39 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
>
> >
> > We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
> > rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
> > second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
> >
> > Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise health,
> > safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would)
>
> On what will they base use or savings on? If it is past use, you'd fare
> better on your quota by using a lot of extra water until June 1.

They are basing it on water usage in 2013. This is a good thing for us because that was the year that we had the pool drained, re-tiled and filled again. Our number is quite high which is why I was able to plant a few tomato plants including the Mortgage Lifter (Hi Nancy!)

Nellie

"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 7:34:27 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/25/2015 9:39 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
>
> >
> > We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
> > rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
> > second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
> >
> > Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
> > health,
> > safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would)
>
> On what will they base use or savings on? If it is past use, you'd fare
> better on your quota by using a lot of extra water until June 1.

They are basing it on water usage in 2013. This is a good thing for us
because that was the year that we had the pool drained, re-tiled and filled
again. Our number is quite high which is why I was able to plant a few
tomato plants including the Mortgage Lifter (Hi Nancy!)

Nellie

---------

where I am, it is not YOUR 2013 water usage, but the average residence's
2013 water usage.

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 2:51:51 PM UTC-10, Nellie wrote:
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> > I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot of
> > stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
> > reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
> > with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
> >
> > Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
>
> We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>
> Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise health, safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough because being the eternal optimist, I planted several things last Autumn thinking that 'yes indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I planted three rose bushes. Now I am committed to these living things I plan to save water on household chores and use what I have left of our ration on the outdoors.
>
> It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH and I went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural country. I was shocked to see the new plantings everywhere; grapevines, of course, but also trees, lots of them, possibly almond; I couldn't tell from the car.
>
> It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less food because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever else they eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a drought and it was awful to read about.
>
> Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of fire. That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.
>
> Nellie

My sister-in-law's area in Oroville is prone to fires. They had one on the hill behind their house during fire season a few years back and her husband was on the hill spraying water with a garden hose. When they drove me through there, I thought the place looked like a tinderbox that was ready to explode. There were random black patches that were already burnt. Black and brown was the land. It's like ruski roulette down there in Southern California.

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 2:51:51 PM UTC-10, Nellie wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> > > I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot of
> > > stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
> > > reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
> > > with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
> > >
> > > Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
> >
> >
> > We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
> >
> > Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise health, safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough because being the eternal optimist, I planted several things last Autumn thinking that 'yes indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I planted three rose bushes. Now I am committed to these living things I plan to save water on household chores and use what I have left of our ration on the outdoors.
> >
> > It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH and I went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural country. I was shocked to see the new plantings everywhere; grapevines, of course, but also trees, lots of them, possibly almond; I couldn't tell from the car..
> >
> > It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less food because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever else they eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a drought and it was awful to read about.
> >
> > Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of fire. That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.
> >
> > Nellie
>
> My sister-in-law's area in Oroville is prone to fires. They had one on the hill behind their house during fire season a few years back and her husband was on the hill spraying water with a garden hose. When they drove me through there, I thought the place looked like a tinderbox that was ready to explode. There were random black patches that were already burnt. Black and brown was the land. It's like ruski roulette down there in Southern California.


Yes, it's bad enough in a year in which we have had rain, but this is truly horrifying.

Nellie

On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot of
>stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>
>Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!

Water has been in short supply in California since forever, and we've
tended to tune out the warnings, but this time it seems to finally be
getting very real.

But even now it's complex. Even in this drought there is enough water
to go around if the 5% of the crops that are the big water wasters
were shifted to something else. Urban water usage is only about 15%
of the total, depending on how you count, and landscape is about half
of that.

There are some farms in the delta with historic, premptive rights to
water and they are slow to give it up voluntarily - just this week
agreed to cut back by 25%, but it won't even be monitored, and it's
also not clear that water that gets to them will be used by anyone
else anyway, it's already too far downstream.

Everyone has known for a century that the day would come when
California would have to do SOMETHING about water, and that day has
arrived. Desalination is pretty much the solution for the coastal
cities, but we might need 100 plants the size of the Carlsbad plant
being completed this year, and the anti-growth idiots like our
Governor Moonbeam are fighting it all the way. It might triple the
cost of urban water. BTW, do you know what it costs today, in Los
Angeles, for a gallon of water out of the faucet?

For agriculture the long-term solution is harder, they are used to
getting water at 1/10 the price of urban water or less, much less.
And they're not on the coast, so just pumping water there would raise
the price as well. I suspect a century from now you will see 10,000
square miles of California farmland covered by greenhouses.

I actually got in a bit of a panic about this just about a month ago,
when we got to the end of the rainy season and it punked out on us
again, and I read that the last 100 years of weather in California
have been unreasonably WET, the average for the 1,000 years before
that is about what we've been getting recently, or worse! Ooops.

It could get really bad since our politicians are such idiots. But it
is mostly fixable, if people would just get off their asses.

J.

"JRStern" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>>of
>>stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>>Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
> Water has been in short supply in California since forever, and we've
> tended to tune out the warnings, but this time it seems to finally be
> getting very real.
>
> But even now it's complex. Even in this drought there is enough water
> to go around if the 5% of the crops that are the big water wasters
> were shifted to something else. Urban water usage is only about 15%
> of the total, depending on how you count, and landscape is about half
> of that.
>
> There are some farms in the delta with historic, premptive rights to
> water and they are slow to give it up voluntarily - just this week
> agreed to cut back by 25%, but it won't even be monitored, and it's
> also not clear that water that gets to them will be used by anyone
> else anyway, it's already too far downstream.
>
> Everyone has known for a century that the day would come when
> California would have to do SOMETHING about water, and that day has
> arrived. Desalination is pretty much the solution for the coastal
> cities, but we might need 100 plants the size of the Carlsbad plant
> being completed this year, and the anti-growth idiots like our
> Governor Moonbeam are fighting it all the way. It might triple the
> cost of urban water. BTW, do you know what it costs today, in Los
> Angeles, for a gallon of water out of the faucet?
>
> For agriculture the long-term solution is harder, they are used to
> getting water at 1/10 the price of urban water or less, much less.
> And they're not on the coast, so just pumping water there would raise
> the price as well. I suspect a century from now you will see 10,000
> square miles of California farmland covered by greenhouses.
>
> I actually got in a bit of a panic about this just about a month ago,
> when we got to the end of the rainy season and it punked out on us
> again, and I read that the last 100 years of weather in California
> have been unreasonably WET, the average for the 1,000 years before
> that is about what we've been getting recently, or worse! Ooops.
>
> It could get really bad since our politicians are such idiots. But it
> is mostly fixable, if people would just get off their asses.

Thank you. I appreciatd your comments but all these points have been
discussed already. You seem to have come late to the party

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On Mon, 25 May 2015 21:53:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"JRStern" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>>>of
>>>stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>
>>>Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>> Water has been in short supply in California since forever, and we've
>> tended to tune out the warnings, but this time it seems to finally be
>> getting very real.
>>
>> But even now it's complex. Even in this drought there is enough water
>> to go around if the 5% of the crops that are the big water wasters
>> were shifted to something else. Urban water usage is only about 15%
>> of the total, depending on how you count, and landscape is about half
>> of that.
>>
>> There are some farms in the delta with historic, premptive rights to
>> water and they are slow to give it up voluntarily - just this week
>> agreed to cut back by 25%, but it won't even be monitored, and it's
>> also not clear that water that gets to them will be used by anyone
>> else anyway, it's already too far downstream.
>>
>> Everyone has known for a century that the day would come when
>> California would have to do SOMETHING about water, and that day has
>> arrived. Desalination is pretty much the solution for the coastal
>> cities, but we might need 100 plants the size of the Carlsbad plant
>> being completed this year, and the anti-growth idiots like our
>> Governor Moonbeam are fighting it all the way. It might triple the
>> cost of urban water. BTW, do you know what it costs today, in Los
>> Angeles, for a gallon of water out of the faucet?
>>
>> For agriculture the long-term solution is harder, they are used to
>> getting water at 1/10 the price of urban water or less, much less.
>> And they're not on the coast, so just pumping water there would raise
>> the price as well. I suspect a century from now you will see 10,000
>> square miles of California farmland covered by greenhouses.
>>
>> I actually got in a bit of a panic about this just about a month ago,
>> when we got to the end of the rainy season and it punked out on us
>> again, and I read that the last 100 years of weather in California
>> have been unreasonably WET, the average for the 1,000 years before
>> that is about what we've been getting recently, or worse! Ooops.
>>
>> It could get really bad since our politicians are such idiots. But it
>> is mostly fixable, if people would just get off their asses.
>
>Thank you. I appreciatd your comments but all these points have been
>discussed already. You seem to have come late to the party

Indeed. Just wanted to endorse those that I endorsed!

J.

"JRStern" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 21:53:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"JRStern" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>lot
>>>>of
>>>>stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>>Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>> Water has been in short supply in California since forever, and we've
>>> tended to tune out the warnings, but this time it seems to finally be
>>> getting very real.
>>>
>>> But even now it's complex. Even in this drought there is enough water
>>> to go around if the 5% of the crops that are the big water wasters
>>> were shifted to something else. Urban water usage is only about 15%
>>> of the total, depending on how you count, and landscape is about half
>>> of that.
>>>
>>> There are some farms in the delta with historic, premptive rights to
>>> water and they are slow to give it up voluntarily - just this week
>>> agreed to cut back by 25%, but it won't even be monitored, and it's
>>> also not clear that water that gets to them will be used by anyone
>>> else anyway, it's already too far downstream.
>>>
>>> Everyone has known for a century that the day would come when
>>> California would have to do SOMETHING about water, and that day has
>>> arrived. Desalination is pretty much the solution for the coastal
>>> cities, but we might need 100 plants the size of the Carlsbad plant
>>> being completed this year, and the anti-growth idiots like our
>>> Governor Moonbeam are fighting it all the way. It might triple the
>>> cost of urban water. BTW, do you know what it costs today, in Los
>>> Angeles, for a gallon of water out of the faucet?
>>>
>>> For agriculture the long-term solution is harder, they are used to
>>> getting water at 1/10 the price of urban water or less, much less.
>>> And they're not on the coast, so just pumping water there would raise
>>> the price as well. I suspect a century from now you will see 10,000
>>> square miles of California farmland covered by greenhouses.
>>>
>>> I actually got in a bit of a panic about this just about a month ago,
>>> when we got to the end of the rainy season and it punked out on us
>>> again, and I read that the last 100 years of weather in California
>>> have been unreasonably WET, the average for the 1,000 years before
>>> that is about what we've been getting recently, or worse! Ooops.
>>>
>>> It could get really bad since our politicians are such idiots. But it
>>> is mostly fixable, if people would just get off their asses.
>>
>>Thank you. I appreciatd your comments but all these points have been
>>discussed already. You seem to have come late to the party
>
> Indeed. Just wanted to endorse those that I endorsed!

<g> righteo)

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