"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>> with the washing machine,
>
> Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.

Not the way I wash them in two small square containers, and I don't have a
lot of dishes.

Cheri

On 5/24/2015 8:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Janet B" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 12:45:24 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:39:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>>>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.
>>>>
>>>> Be careful what you wish for. . .look what has happened to the drought
>>>> in Texas. Boats, anyone?
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> We get most of our water from winter snowpack. So no flooding problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I was really thinking of torrential rain hitting your burned-off,
>> fragile hillsides.
>> Janet US
>
> It's happened. Fire season is going to be terrinble this year.

Be a crying shame if you were not incinerated, you asshole.

On 5/24/2015 8:04 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:42:27 -0600, Cabrito del Bosque
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/24/2015 10:58 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 5/24/2015 12:37 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no talk of a water pipeline yet. Oil gets lots of pipelines,
>>>>> water gets none.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where would the pipeline come from? Is there enough water in a
>>>> reasonable distance? If so, it would be a smart idea.
>>>
>>>
>>> Shatner thinks so.
>>>
>>> Seattle may differ.
>>
>> I'm thinking Great Lakes region, Canada... places with plenty of water
>> that are willing to exchange it for money. Just like oil is now.
>
>
> How do we take water only from the US "side" of the great lakes, exactly?

With a real fine straw, you ****ing ASSHOLE!

On 5/24/2015 8:03 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>>> food,
>>>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>>> cutback
>>>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>>> year we
>>>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in
>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
>>>>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>>>>
>>>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>>>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>>>
>>>
>>> That would take tax money.
>>>
>>> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us
>>> going? This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can you
>>> plan for?
>>>
>>
>> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we have
>> tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity, I would
>> say we need more storage.
>
> We're in a 100 year drought. No amount of planning would have helped.

Ever hear of paleo climatic records?

You DUMB ASSHOLE!

Grow a ****ing brain!

On 5/24/2015 8:07 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:34:45 -0600, Cabrito del Bosque
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/24/2015 10:32 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2015-05-24, William > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>>>>
>>>> Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>>
>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0N601V20150415
>>
>> Why not use the desalinized water for agriculture?
>
> It is extremely expensive water a

**** off and STFU!

I want your damned useless head on a pike!

On 5/24/2015 8:50 PM, Janet B wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:01:33 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 12:45:24 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 09:39:02 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>>>>>> speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course we're worried, but we're hoping for a wet winter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be careful what you wish for. . .look what has happened to the drought
>>>>> in Texas. Boats, anyone?
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>> We get most of our water from winter snowpack. So no flooding problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I was really thinking of torrential rain hitting your burned-off,
>>> fragile hillsides.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> It's happened. Fire season is going to be terrinble this year.
>>
> Here too. Although we do not have any burnt off hillsides around the
> city, we have had a lot of spring rain -- just enough to put a lot of
> fuel up there. Elsewhere we have burnt off mountain sides from the
> fires of last year and the year before plus insect killed trees. The
> whole West is going to burn up.
> Janet US
>


No.

http://unofficialnetworks.com/2015/0...ia-this-winter

On 5/24/2015 9:12 PM, graham wrote:
> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>
>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It
>>>>> helps to
>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>>> the
>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>
>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>> Graham
>>
>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
> Graham
>


Do you have a vibrant sasquatch community up north?

On 5/24/2015 9:17 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:03:07 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>>>>>> of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>>>>> food,
>>>>>>>>> half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>>>>> cutback
>>>>>>>>> on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>>>>> year we
>>>>>>>>> will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in
>>>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>>>> anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>>>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>>>>>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That would take tax money.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us
>>>>> going? This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can
>>>>> you
>>>>> plan for?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we
>>>> have
>>>> tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity, I would
>>>> say we need more storage.
>>>
>>> We're in a 100 year drought. No amount of planning would have helped.
>>
>> There comes a point where it's not a drought; it's your weather.
>
> Climate. Not weather. And this well could be a permanent climate shift.
>

You truly are an idiot's idiot!

There is NO permanent climate shift.

For ****'s sake man, stop humiliating yourself!

"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 7:57 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/24/2015 6:51 PM, Nellie wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>> a lot of
>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>> people
>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will
>>>> be rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for
>>>> the second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>>>>
>>>> Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
>>>> health, safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough
>>>> because being the eternal optimist, I planted several things last
>>>> Autumn thinking that 'yes indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I
>>>> planted three rose bushes. Now I am committed to these living things
>>>> I plan to save water on household chores and use what I have left
>>>> of our ration on the outdoors.
>>>>
>>>> It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH
>>>> and I went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural
>>>> country. I was shocked to see the new plantings everywhere;
>>>> grapevines, of course, but also trees, lots of them, possibly almond;
>>>> I couldn't tell from the car.
>>>>
>>>> It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less
>>>> food because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever
>>>> else they eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a
>>>> drought and it was awful to read about.
>>>>
>>>> Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of
>>>> fire. That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.
>>>>
>>>> Nellie
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recall some years back when it burned into Oakland and Berkely too,
>>> iirc.
>>>
>>> Scary indeed.
>>
>> Yes, that was truly awful.
>>
>> Cherei
>
>
> What was 'interesting' was to see which homes survived close flames.
>
> Stucco rules.

I remember one house particularly, it just kept hanging on, until it didn't.
They kept coming back to it and the whole scene was just surreal.

Cheri

On 5/24/2015 9:18 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>>
>>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
>> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
>> Graham
>
>
> As an American male I am


You are a coward and a ****.

**** you.

Want some?

Let's GO!

You foul-mouthed little pussy.

On 5/25/2015 12:52 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/25/2015 12:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 5/24/2015 11:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like you need balance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like we need to stop selling ourselves down the river for short
>>>>> term
>>>>> profits.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to pick up a half gallon jar of almond butter tomorrow. Good
>>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> You would. But I was referring to Wall Street greed. There is no such
>>> thing as balance when they stick their proboscis into anything that even
>>> smells a little of money.
>>>
>>
>> You still have to go back to the roots. Is California better off with or
>> without almonds? Forget Wall Street, the answer is either yes or no.
>
> Not the point I was making.
>
>

But the answer is important in deciding the fate of water distribution
and almond growers. And to determine if you are being sold down the
river or made better.

Is there a yes or no?

On 5/24/2015 9:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 4:03 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Mosty of the nuts are sold to China. Most of the nut farms are owned by
>>> Wall Street investment companies. So Wall Street is exacerbating the
>>> problem by planing thousand sof new acres with nut trees to increase
>>> their
>>> profits.
>>>
>>
>> That is true, but the almond growers also employ people, the employees buy
>> groceries and pay taxes. Others maintain equipment.
>
> Almond growing is a very low labor business. It is mostly mechanized. One
> does not pick almonds, they are shaken from the tree using a special
> machine.

So are pecans, guess who runs and pays for those machines.

You anti-business ASSHOLE!

>> Sounds like you need balance.
>
> Sounds like we need to stop selling ourselves down the river for short term
> profits.

Sounds like you;re some risible Marxist ****wit.

I'd LOVE to get you in an MMA ring, cupcake, you game?

On 5/24/2015 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
> On 24/05/2015 9:18 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes,
>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It helps
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water.
>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
>>> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
>>> Graham
>>
>>
>> As an American male I am pretty averse to it myself. Carry on, ladies.
>>
>>
> So you've been indoctrinated too!
> Graham


Yo, bigfoot, wassup with the hairy lifestyle?

On 5/24/2015 10:24 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> But I was referring to Wall Street greed.


A Marxist asshat like you would of course.

Wassamatta, life made you a failure?

You ASSHOLE!

On 5/24/2015 10:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/25/2015 12:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/24/2015 11:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sounds like you need balance.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like we need to stop selling ourselves down the river for short
>>>> term
>>>> profits.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm going to pick up a half gallon jar of almond butter tomorrow. Good
>>> stuff.
>>
>> You would. But I was referring to Wall Street greed. There is no such
>> thing as balance when they stick their proboscis into anything that even
>> smells a little of money.
>>
>
> You still have to go back to the roots. Is California better off with
> or without almonds? Forget Wall Street, the answer is either yes or no.
>

**** the marxist ****, he's a damned commie.

"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 9:12 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It
>>>>>> helps to
>>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>>
>>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
>> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
>> Graham
>>
>
>
> Do you have a vibrant sasquatch community up north?

LOL, apparently.

Cheri

On 5/24/2015 10:52 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/25/2015 12:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 5/24/2015 11:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like you need balance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like we need to stop selling ourselves down the river for short
>>>>> term
>>>>> profits.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to pick up a half gallon jar of almond butter tomorrow. Good
>>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> You would. But I was referring to Wall Street greed. There is no such
>>> thing as balance when they stick their proboscis into anything that even
>>> smells a little of money.
>>>
>>
>> You still have to go back to the roots. Is California better off with or
>> without almonds? Forget Wall Street, the answer is either yes or no.
>
> Not the point I was making.

You don't have a "point" pinko - you're a damnable worthless
anti-capitalist scumbag!

**** off and DIE!

"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 24/05/2015 9:18 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes,
>>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap
>>>>>>>>>> up,
>>>>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It
>>>>>>>> helps
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water.
>>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to
>>>>>>>> wet
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
>>>> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>> As an American male I am pretty averse to it myself. Carry on, ladies.
>>>
>>>
>> So you've been indoctrinated too!
>> Graham
>
>
> Yo, bigfoot, wassup with the hairy lifestyle?

He probably has hooves that don't need tending.

Cheri

On 5/24/2015 11:01 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 20:17:33 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:03:07 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>
>>>>>>>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>>>>>>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would take tax money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us
>>>>>> going? This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> plan for?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we
>>>>> have
>>>>> tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity, I would
>>>>> say we need more storage.
>>>>
>>>> We're in a 100 year drought. No amount of planning would have helped.
>>>
>>> There comes a point where it's not a drought; it's your weather.
>>
>> Climate. Not weather. And this well could be a permanent climate shift.
>
> Yes, climate.
>


Yes, always changing.

Enjoy your el nino drought!

On 5/24/2015 11:04 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 7:57 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 5/24/2015 6:51 PM, Nellie wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>> a lot of
>>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will
>>>>> be rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for
>>>>> the second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
>>>>> health, safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough
>>>>> because being the eternal optimist, I planted several things last
>>>>> Autumn thinking that 'yes indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I
>>>>> planted three rose bushes. Now I am committed to these living things
>>>>> I plan to save water on household chores and use what I have left
>>>>> of our ration on the outdoors.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH
>>>>> and I went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural
>>>>> country. I was shocked to see the new plantings everywhere;
>>>>> grapevines, of course, but also trees, lots of them, possibly almond;
>>>>> I couldn't tell from the car.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less
>>>>> food because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever
>>>>> else they eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a
>>>>> drought and it was awful to read about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of
>>>>> fire. That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nellie
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recall some years back when it burned into Oakland and Berkely too,
>>>> iirc.
>>>>
>>>> Scary indeed.
>>>
>>> Yes, that was truly awful.
>>>
>>> Cherei
>>
>>
>> What was 'interesting' was to see which homes survived close flames.
>>
>> Stucco rules.
>
> I remember one house particularly, it just kept hanging on, until it
> didn't. They kept coming back to it and the whole scene was just surreal.
>
> Cheri


I saw that video too - seared into my mind.

So sad.

Lives just incinerated.

Damn.

On 5/24/2015 11:12 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 9:12 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes,
>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It
>>>>>>> helps to
>>>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water.
>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
>>> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
>>> Graham
>>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have a vibrant sasquatch community up north?
>
> LOL, apparently.
>
> Cheri


Long winters there, must change hominid behaviors...

On 5/24/2015 11:14 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/24/2015 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 24/05/2015 9:18 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes,
>>>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet,
>>>>>>>>>>> soap up,
>>>>>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It
>>>>>>>>> helps
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water.
>>>>>>>>> I get
>>>>>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water
>>>>>>>>> to wet
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
>>>>> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
>>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As an American male I am pretty averse to it myself. Carry on, ladies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So you've been indoctrinated too!
>>> Graham
>>
>>
>> Yo, bigfoot, wassup with the hairy lifestyle?
>
> He probably has hooves that don't need tending.
>
> Cheri


Ah yes, cloven and prone to leave clay prints..

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 1:32:13 PM UTC-7, Michel Boucher wrote:
> wrote in
> :
>
> >> > I love almonds. I am not sure why anyone would demonise
> >> > them?
> >>
> >> When it takes 20 gallons of water to grow one and you are in
> >> the middle (or beginning) of an epic droiught it makes for an
> >> easy target.
> >
> > It takes one gallon of water to grow an almond, but 3.3
> > gallons of water to grow a tomato. Almonds sell at a premium
> > compared to tomatoes.
>
> That is cracker economics at its most risible. You cannot grow a
> single almond, you have to grow a tree which will produce many
> almonds (I would imagine close to 100 almonds per tree if my
> experience in Andalucia is similar), each if them requiring a
> "gallon" (or more accurately 4 litres) of water. You can however
> grow a few tomatoes instead of a hundred.
>
> Cracker economics.

I got my numbers from the hippie-dippie Mother Jones magazine.

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 2:33:26 PM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2015-05-24, taxed and spent > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
> >
> > They can't fill the dams/resevoirs/aquifers they already have!

> we fill them up in the rainy years and save the water for a rainless period.
>
> Our last big drought had Lake Shasta at very low levels. "They" said it
> would take ten years to fill is back up. The first wet winter was not even
> finished before water was spilling over the top.

And how do we stop evaporation?

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 10:12:13 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>
> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >
> > You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
> >
> > Cheri
> >
> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
> Graham
>
>
We N. American women don't want to look like a man or a dike.
Armpit hair holds body odor no matter what type of deodorant
you use; armpit hair is awfully attractive when you've been
sweating like a horse, too. NOT. And leg hair is sooooo
attractive especially when it's plastered down when hose are worn.

Sorry, but many of us like the feel of our silky legs
after shaving not to mention we don't look like one of
the boys when we don't shave.

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 11:56:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.
>
I've read that statement on sites in the past. Can I assume a
dishwasher uses less water than sink washing because the
belief is when hand washing the water is left running
continually?
>
>
> Not the way I wash them in two small square containers, and I don't have a
> lot of dishes.
>
> Cheri
>
>
When I wash dishes here the stopper is put in both kitchen sinks and
one is used for washing while the other sink is used for rinsing.

"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 3:55 PM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 4:50:31 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Roy" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 12:23:25 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 24/05/2015 10:40 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "William" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news >>>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>>>>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the
>>>>>>> California
>>>>>>> coast to supply water for human consumption or shut California down.
>>>>>>> Can you imagine "the water police" from the People's Republic of
>>>>>>> California timing your shower not to exceed two (2) minutes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> William
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot since
>>>>>> CA
>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> I tried that shower with a friend thing but my GF kept getting all the
>>>> water
>>>> and I was too distracted to worry about it.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>
>> Thanks for contributing to the conversation again ****.
>>
>
> Isn't it about time you performed that Bic pen lobotomy on yourself?

lol I hadn't seen that. It would be interesting to know if anyone has ever
seen him/her/it ever contribute anything to a conversation other than
insults and foul language.



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"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
>> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>> of
>> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
>
> We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
> rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
> second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>
> Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
> health, safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough because
> being the eternal optimist, I planted several things last Autumn thinking
> that 'yes indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I planted three rose
> bushes. Now I am committed to these living things I plan to save water
> on household chores and use what I have left of our ration on the
> outdoors.
>
> It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH and
> I went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural country. I
> was shocked to see the new plantings everywhere; grapevines, of course,
> but also trees, lots of them, possibly almond; I couldn't tell from the
> car.
>
> It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less food
> because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever else they
> eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a drought and it
> was awful to read about.
>
> Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of fire.
> That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.

Thank you. I very much hope I will not be reading about fires ...

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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>> with the washing machine,
>
> Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.

I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and water
was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because she had
hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden

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"Cabrito del Bosque" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/24/2015 8:07 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:34:45 -0600, Cabrito del Bosque
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/24/2015 10:32 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-05-24, William > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the
>>>>>> California
>>>>>
>>>>> Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0N601V20150415
>>>
>>> Why not use the desalinized water for agriculture?
>>
>> It is extremely expensive water a
>
> **** off and STFU!
>
> I want your damned useless head on a pike!

Oh dear I am interested in the discussion ...



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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>>> with the washing machine,
>>
>> Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.
>
> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because she
> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden

Some people do that here.

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:37:38 AM UTC-5, The Other Guy wrote:
>
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 00:51:14 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >When I wash dishes here the stopper is put in both kitchen sinks and
> >one is used for washing while the other sink is used for rinsing.
>
> I used to do that, then I got a sink with a sprayer attachment
> on the faucet, and using that saves a BUNCH of water when rinsing.
>
>
My sink has a sprayer, too, and I use it after scrubbing the
sink or to rinse a large and cumbersome pot.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>>>> with the washing machine,
>>>
>>> Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.
>>
>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because she
>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>
> Some people do that here.

It is a very good idea


>

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"The Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 01:59:33 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because
>>> she
>>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>>
>>Some people do that here.
>
> That's known as grey water, and is illegal is some places,
> yet required in other places.

Why is it illegal?

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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/25/2015 12:52 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/25/2015 12:24 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 5/24/2015 11:27 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like you need balance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like we need to stop selling ourselves down the river for
>>>>>> short
>>>>>> term
>>>>>> profits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to pick up a half gallon jar of almond butter tomorrow.
>>>>> Good
>>>>> stuff.
>>>>
>>>> You would. But I was referring to Wall Street greed. There is no such
>>>> thing as balance when they stick their proboscis into anything that
>>>> even
>>>> smells a little of money.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You still have to go back to the roots. Is California better off with
>>> or
>>> without almonds? Forget Wall Street, the answer is either yes or no.
>>
>> Not the point I was making.
>>
>>
>
> But the answer is important in deciding the fate of water distribution and
> almond growers. And to determine if you are being sold down the river or
> made better.
>
> Is there a yes or no?

Wall Street has been buying up orchards and massively over planting new
trees during a drought so as to satisfy Chinese demand and reap higher
rewards for investors. That makes the problem much worse if you are on trhe
side of we need to conserve water if we are going to get through this..

So are we better off? Depends on who you are I suppose.

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On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:03:07 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:



>>
>> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we have
>> tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity, I would
>> say we need more storage.
>
>We're in a 100 year drought. No amount of planning would have helped.
>

Sure, they could have planned for 125 year drought.

On 5/24/2015 10:12 PM, graham wrote:
> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>
>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It
>>>>> helps to
>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>>> the
>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>
>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>> Graham
>>
>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
> Graham

It could be conditioning, or maybe this is what women are accustomed to,
most women grow very little body hair.

Becca

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:50:14 AM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
>>>>>> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>> > ...
>>>>>> >>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had
>>>>>> >>a lot
>>>>>> >>of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
>>>>>> >>huge
>>>>>> >>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
>>>>>> >>people
>>>>>> >>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Everyone in CA is affected. And since CA grows half the country's
>>>>>> > food,
>>>>>> > half the country is affected as well. My town is ordering a 35%
>>>>>> > cutback
>>>>>> > on water use with fines for offenders. NASA says this is the last
>>>>>> > year we
>>>>>> > will have water in the reservoirs. So next year we should be in
>>>>>> > full
>>>>>> > anarchy mode I expect. Fox News blames it on illegal immigrants.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I still have not heard any talk about adding storage capacity or
>>>>>> groundwater replenishment basins, for the times we do have rain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Similarly, I haven't heard my wife talking about buying a safe for the
>>>>> jewelry she expects to buy after she wins the lottery.
>>>>
>>>> That is a bit different, isn't it. Years with heavy rains are quite
>>>> frequent. We need to be putting more away for those non-rainy days.
>>>
>>>
>>> That would take tax money.
>>>
>>> We have enough damns and reservoirs., What do you think has kept us
>>> going? This is year 4 of extreme drought. Just how much capacity can
>>> you plan for?
>>>
>>
>> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we
>> have tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity, I
>> would say we need more storage.
>
> We're in a 100 year drought. No amount of planning would have helped.

foolish statement. adding x% to our storage capacity would have helped.

"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM UTC-7, Ophelia wrote:
> I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
> of
> stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
> reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
> with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>
> Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/


We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
second and a heavy-duty one for the third.

Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise health,
safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would) It's tough because being the
eternal optimist, I planted several things last Autumn thinking that 'yes
indeedy we would have rain.' In January, I planted three rose bushes. Now I
am committed to these living things I plan to save water on household
chores and use what I have left of our ration on the outdoors.

It is disheartening to see the golf courses all nice and green. My DH and I
went to Sacramento last week and passed through agricultural country. I was
shocked to see the new plantings everywhere; grapevines, of course, but also
trees, lots of them, possibly almond; I couldn't tell from the car.

It is sad to think about the animals that will have to do with less food
because there will not be enough water for their hay or whatever else they
eat. This happened the last time we had this severe of a drought and it was
awful to read about.

Other than the water issue there is the horrendously real danger of fire.
That is very scary. You will be reading about that soon.

Nellie

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many golf courses us reclaimed water. They use a lot, so it makes sense to
add a pipeline.

wrote:
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> I am taking your comments as sarcasm, unfortunately I have never seen
> a suitable emoticon for sarcasm

These work pretty well.... ;-D or ;-)