"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>>> with the washing machine,
>>
>> Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.
>
> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because she
> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden

Some people do that here.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>>>> with the washing machine,
>>>
>>> Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.
>>
>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because she
>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>
> Some people do that here.

It is a very good idea


>

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Julie Bove wrote:
>Ophelia wrote:
>>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>>>> with the washing machine,
>>>
>>> Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.
>>
>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because she
>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>
>Some people do that here.

Bath water/laundry water (gray water) is fine for gardening... where
do people think plants grow... in DIRT! Actually water used for
cleaning dirty clothes/dishes/bodies makes good fertilzer. Lots of
people plant their vegetable gardens over their sceptic leaching
field, hurts nothing... all kinds of critters poop and pee in my
vegetable garden, same as they do on all farm land. Plants are very
selective in which nutrients they absorb... it's only particular man
made chemicals that cause a negative affect, like pesticides,
herbicides, and manufacturing waste... when a possum, raccoon, rodent,
bird, even a cat poops in my garden I consider it a gift. I apply no
chemicals but my lawn is lusher, greener, and healthier than anything
Scotts Turf Builder/Weed & Feed can do... you can eat a salad of my
lawn greens and never become ill from it... the same critters that
fertilize my lawn are the ones that constantly eat my lawn. Next time
you drink milk remember that those cows eat the same greens they poop
and pee on. Freshly mowed two days ago, no chemicals but lots of
critter poops, even hummingbird poops:
http://i59.tinypic.com/30xk520.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/5vhpy.jpg
See those two crab apple trees, both bought together and planted
together ten years ago, both same size seedlings in pots... guess
which one is planted nearer the discharge pipe of my sceptic field:
http://i59.tinypic.com/33e0okx.jpg

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 4:45:09 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Bath water/laundry water (gray water) is fine for gardening... where
> do people think plants grow... in DIRT! Lots of
> people plant their vegetable gardens over their septic leaching
> field, hurts nothing... all kinds of critters poop and pee in my
> vegetable garden, same as they do on all farm land. Plants are very
> selective in which nutrients they absorb.
>
>
I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
were introduced?

My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
choice was chicken poop.

In article >,
says...
> I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
> be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
> was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
> were introduced?
>
> My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
> year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
> choice was chicken poop.
>

My grandfather's hugely productive veg garden was fertilised entirely
by human waste from the bucket lav used by all the family. He dug a
hole, tipped the bucket, shovelled soil on top.

My veg garden is fertilised entirely by home made compost (includes
sheep and horse manure) and seaweed.

Janet UK

On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:43:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>> I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
>> be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
>> was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
>> were introduced?
>>
>> My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
>> year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
>> choice was chicken poop.
>>
>
> My grandfather's hugely productive veg garden was fertilised entirely
>by human waste from the bucket lav used by all the family. He dug a
>hole, tipped the bucket, shovelled soil on top.

'night soil'

> My veg garden is fertilised entirely by home made compost (includes
>sheep and horse manure) and seaweed.

Sounds good.

My soil here is very good nutrient-wise and it is basically old river
bed soil, but high in clay.

After some years of half-heartedly trying to fix the problem (gypsum
did nothing), I've gotten serious this year. So far I've added six
inches each of sheep, cow and poultry manures, same again with old
sawdust and large bales of partly rotted sheep's fleece. Also added a
few loads of seaweed I collected (I dumped it in the creek for a few
weeks to wash the salt out first). Also three large bales of straw.
And lots and lots of lime with each layer... all turned over with a
cultivator.

It's really starting to look good now and is already crawling with
worms. Because of this I only have a small patch of broad beans and
garlic in the main bed ATM, but this coming spring I will plant the
whole area out.

On Wed, 27 May 2015 07:52:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:43:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
says...
>>> I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
>>> be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
>>> was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
>>> were introduced?
>>>
>>> My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
>>> year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
>>> choice was chicken poop.
>>>
>>
>> My grandfather's hugely productive veg garden was fertilised entirely
>>by human waste from the bucket lav used by all the family. He dug a
>>hole, tipped the bucket, shovelled soil on top.
>
>'night soil'
>
>> My veg garden is fertilised entirely by home made compost (includes
>>sheep and horse manure) and seaweed.
>
>Sounds good.
>
>My soil here is very good nutrient-wise and it is basically old river
>bed soil, but high in clay.
>
>After some years of half-heartedly trying to fix the problem (gypsum
>did nothing), I've gotten serious this year. So far I've added six
>inches each of sheep, cow and poultry manures, same again with old
>sawdust and large bales of partly rotted sheep's fleece. Also added a
>few loads of seaweed I collected (I dumped it in the creek for a few
>weeks to wash the salt out first). Also three large bales of straw.
>And lots and lots of lime with each layer... all turned over with a
>cultivator.
>
>It's really starting to look good now and is already crawling with
>worms. Because of this I only have a small patch of broad beans and
>garlic in the main bed ATM, but this coming spring I will plant the
>whole area out.

The bales of straw will give you a headache. I did straw one year and
had field weeds for years and years after. You may not have used
enough gypsum. Did you turn it in? It should be effective for about
5+ years.
Janet US

On Tue, 26 May 2015 18:51:13 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Wed, 27 May 2015 07:52:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:43:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
says...
>>>> I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
>>>> be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
>>>> was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
>>>> were introduced?
>>>>
>>>> My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
>>>> year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
>>>> choice was chicken poop.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My grandfather's hugely productive veg garden was fertilised entirely
>>>by human waste from the bucket lav used by all the family. He dug a
>>>hole, tipped the bucket, shovelled soil on top.
>>
>>'night soil'
>>
>>> My veg garden is fertilised entirely by home made compost (includes
>>>sheep and horse manure) and seaweed.
>>
>>Sounds good.
>>
>>My soil here is very good nutrient-wise and it is basically old river
>>bed soil, but high in clay.
>>
>>After some years of half-heartedly trying to fix the problem (gypsum
>>did nothing), I've gotten serious this year. So far I've added six
>>inches each of sheep, cow and poultry manures, same again with old
>>sawdust and large bales of partly rotted sheep's fleece. Also added a
>>few loads of seaweed I collected (I dumped it in the creek for a few
>>weeks to wash the salt out first). Also three large bales of straw.
>>And lots and lots of lime with each layer... all turned over with a
>>cultivator.
>>
>>It's really starting to look good now and is already crawling with
>>worms. Because of this I only have a small patch of broad beans and
>>garlic in the main bed ATM, but this coming spring I will plant the
>>whole area out.
>
>The bales of straw will give you a headache. I did straw one year and
>had field weeds for years and years after.

Ah-ha yes... you do need to be careful.
The bales of barley straw I use are weed free, this is the third year
I've bought them from the same place and so far no problems <fingers
crossed>.

>You may not have used
>enough gypsum. Did you turn it in? It should be effective for about
>5+ years.

As I found out far too late after digging in probably *30* bags...
Gypsum only works on some (but not all) types of clay. There is a
simple test to find out if your clay is suitable for gypsum, which
escapes me right now but found easily on a search.

On Mon, 25 May 2015 17:45:06 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>>>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>>>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>>>>> with the washing machine,
>>>>
>>>> Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.
>>>
>>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because she
>>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>>
>>Some people do that here.
>
>Bath water/laundry water (gray water) is fine for gardening... where
>do people think plants grow... in DIRT!

Yes... but what's the connection there between toxins and dirt?

>Actually water used for
>cleaning dirty clothes/dishes/bodies makes good fertilzer. Lots of
>people plant their vegetable gardens over their sceptic leaching
>field, hurts nothing... all kinds of critters poop and pee in my
>vegetable garden, same as they do on all farm land. Plants are very
>selective in which nutrients they absorb... it's only particular man
>made chemicals that cause a negative affect, like pesticides,
>herbicides, and manufacturing waste... when a possum, raccoon, rodent,
>bird, even a cat poops in my garden I consider it a gift. I apply no
>chemicals but my lawn is lusher, greener, and healthier than anything
>Scotts Turf Builder/Weed & Feed can do... you can eat a salad of my
>lawn greens and never become ill from it... the same critters that
>fertilize my lawn are the ones that constantly eat my lawn. Next time
>you drink milk remember that those cows eat the same greens they poop
>and pee on. Freshly mowed two days ago, no chemicals but lots of
>critter poops, even hummingbird poops:
>http://i59.tinypic.com/30xk520.jpg
>http://i59.tinypic.com/5vhpy.jpg
>See those two crab apple trees, both bought together and planted
>together ten years ago, both same size seedlings in pots... guess
>which one is planted nearer the discharge pipe of my sceptic field:
>http://i59.tinypic.com/33e0okx.jpg

"The Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 01:59:33 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because
>>> she
>>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>>
>>Some people do that here.
>
> That's known as grey water, and is illegal is some places,
> yet required in other places.

Why is it illegal?

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On 5/25/2015 6:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>


>>
>> That's known as grey water, and is illegal is some places,
>> yet required in other places.
>
> Why is it illegal?
>

It has the potential to pollute or contaminate. I'd use it to water the
roses, but not the tomato plants. I don't now if it affects a well.

There are methods to properly deal with it.
https://www.thenaturalhome.com/greywater.html

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/25/2015 6:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>
>
>>>
>>> That's known as grey water, and is illegal is some places,
>>> yet required in other places.
>>
>> Why is it illegal?
>>
>
> It has the potential to pollute or contaminate. I'd use it to water the
> roses, but not the tomato plants. I don't now if it affects a well.
>
> There are methods to properly deal with it.
> https://www.thenaturalhome.com/greywater.html

Thanks very much!


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Ophelia wrote:
>The Other Guy wrote:
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>>>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because
>>>> she
>>>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>>>
>>>Some people do that here.
>>
>> That's known as grey water, and is illegal is some places,
>> yet required in other places.
>
>Why is it illegal?

He won't be able to say let alone cite why... grey water is no more
unnatural for gardening than rain water falling on farm land...
typical household wash water contains the same dirt as the dirt of
which ALL farmland is composed, probably cleaner.

On Mon, 25 May 2015 19:39:56 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>>The Other Guy wrote:
>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>>>>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because
>>>>> she
>>>>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>>>>
>>>>Some people do that here.
>>>
>>> That's known as grey water, and is illegal is some places,
>>> yet required in other places.
>>
>>Why is it illegal?
>
>He won't be able to say let alone cite why... grey water is no more
>unnatural for gardening than rain water falling on farm land...
>typical household wash water contains the same dirt as the dirt of
>which ALL farmland is composed, probably cleaner.

Use of gray water is illegal in some states.
Janet US