"JRStern" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>>of
>>stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>
>>Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>
> Water has been in short supply in California since forever, and we've
> tended to tune out the warnings, but this time it seems to finally be
> getting very real.
>
> But even now it's complex. Even in this drought there is enough water
> to go around if the 5% of the crops that are the big water wasters
> were shifted to something else. Urban water usage is only about 15%
> of the total, depending on how you count, and landscape is about half
> of that.
>
> There are some farms in the delta with historic, premptive rights to
> water and they are slow to give it up voluntarily - just this week
> agreed to cut back by 25%, but it won't even be monitored, and it's
> also not clear that water that gets to them will be used by anyone
> else anyway, it's already too far downstream.
>
> Everyone has known for a century that the day would come when
> California would have to do SOMETHING about water, and that day has
> arrived. Desalination is pretty much the solution for the coastal
> cities, but we might need 100 plants the size of the Carlsbad plant
> being completed this year, and the anti-growth idiots like our
> Governor Moonbeam are fighting it all the way. It might triple the
> cost of urban water. BTW, do you know what it costs today, in Los
> Angeles, for a gallon of water out of the faucet?
>
> For agriculture the long-term solution is harder, they are used to
> getting water at 1/10 the price of urban water or less, much less.
> And they're not on the coast, so just pumping water there would raise
> the price as well. I suspect a century from now you will see 10,000
> square miles of California farmland covered by greenhouses.
>
> I actually got in a bit of a panic about this just about a month ago,
> when we got to the end of the rainy season and it punked out on us
> again, and I read that the last 100 years of weather in California
> have been unreasonably WET, the average for the 1,000 years before
> that is about what we've been getting recently, or worse! Ooops.
>
> It could get really bad since our politicians are such idiots. But it
> is mostly fixable, if people would just get off their asses.

Thank you. I appreciatd your comments but all these points have been
discussed already. You seem to have come late to the party

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:10:48 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am taking your comments as sarcasm, unfortunately I have never seen
> > a suitable emoticon for sarcasm
>
> These work pretty well.... ;-D or ;-)
>
>
Those are NOT sarcasm emoticons. The first one is a winking
open mouth smiley. The second one is just a plain winking
smiley.

On 5/25/2015 2:27 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 16:35:36 -0600, Cabrito del Bosque
> > wrote:
>
>> Or maybe it was in February, when a headline in Mother Jones blared, "It
>> takes how much water to grow an almond?!" (Profoundly misleading answer:
>> 1.1 gallons per nut.)
>
> I think that was also when they (not necessarily Mother Jones) told us
> that the orchards are irrigated by flooding. I don't know how much
> truth there is to that though.
>

If they do, what happens to all the water? Some would go into the
ground where it is purified and finds itself in a well as drinking water.

Sometimes we forget, the same water had been around forever. You may be
drinking the same water that Jesus drank so then you can skip going to
church.

There is also enough water to take care of all of our needs, but it is
not in the places where we want it. Would be nice to move some of that
Texas flood water to CA.

On 2015-05-25 12:29 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:07:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:34:45 -0600, Cabrito del Bosque
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/24/2015 10:32 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>>>> On 2015-05-24, William > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the
>>>>>>> California
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nb
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0N601V20150415
>>>>
>>>> Why not use the desalinized water for agriculture?
>>>
>>> It is extremely expensive water and could not be produced on that scale
>>> and
>>> be economically viable/
>>>
>>
>> Plus, when the salt is taken out, what happens to all that salt ?
>
> It has commercial applications.
>

We throw it on roads in the winter. It can also be sold as "sea salt",
cuz that's what it is.

On 2015-05-25 12:52 PM, William wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:53:26 -0300, wrote:
>
>>> Time to invade Canada. We will be greeted as liberators and the cost of the
>>> war will pay for itself with water revenues.
>
>
> we have idiot Neocons who will take this and run with it...be quiet!
>
Besides, it has been tried several times in the past and it failed each
time.

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:06:30 PM UTC-5, BigC300 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 00:51:14 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >When I wash dishes here the stopper is put in both kitchen sinks and
> >one is used for washing while the other sink is used for rinsing.
>
>
> your rinse technique is not sanitary as there are numerous microbes
> living in the sink basin. Your county health department would declare
> your washed dishes unsanitary. They must be sterilized with fresh tap
> water heated to at least 140 degrees (F).
>
> William
>
>
Well I have been washing dishes like this all my life and countless
100's of thousands before me have used the same method with nary a
tummy ache or diarrhea. Since I'm not operating a restaurant here
the health department will not be visiting me and I WILL continue to
do my dishes in this manner.

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:54:35 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 7:06:30 AM UTC-10, BigC300 wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 25 May 2015 00:51:14 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >When I wash dishes here the stopper is put in both kitchen sinks and
> > >one is used for washing while the other sink is used for rinsing.
> >
> >
> > your rinse technique is not sanitary as there are numerous microbes
> > living in the sink basin. Your county health department would declare
> > your washed dishes unsanitary. They must be sterilized with fresh tap
> > water heated to at least 140 degrees (F).
> >
> > William
>
> the plates washed this way ain't gonna kill you and at my house, we don't care about the declarations of the dept. of health. Hee hee.
>
>
^5! (high 5)

Julie Bove wrote:
>Ophelia wrote:
>>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>>>> with the washing machine,
>>>
>>> Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.
>>
>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because she
>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>
>Some people do that here.

Bath water/laundry water (gray water) is fine for gardening... where
do people think plants grow... in DIRT! Actually water used for
cleaning dirty clothes/dishes/bodies makes good fertilzer. Lots of
people plant their vegetable gardens over their sceptic leaching
field, hurts nothing... all kinds of critters poop and pee in my
vegetable garden, same as they do on all farm land. Plants are very
selective in which nutrients they absorb... it's only particular man
made chemicals that cause a negative affect, like pesticides,
herbicides, and manufacturing waste... when a possum, raccoon, rodent,
bird, even a cat poops in my garden I consider it a gift. I apply no
chemicals but my lawn is lusher, greener, and healthier than anything
Scotts Turf Builder/Weed & Feed can do... you can eat a salad of my
lawn greens and never become ill from it... the same critters that
fertilize my lawn are the ones that constantly eat my lawn. Next time
you drink milk remember that those cows eat the same greens they poop
and pee on. Freshly mowed two days ago, no chemicals but lots of
critter poops, even hummingbird poops:
http://i59.tinypic.com/30xk520.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/5vhpy.jpg
See those two crab apple trees, both bought together and planted
together ten years ago, both same size seedlings in pots... guess
which one is planted nearer the discharge pipe of my sceptic field:
http://i59.tinypic.com/33e0okx.jpg

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 4:45:09 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Bath water/laundry water (gray water) is fine for gardening... where
> do people think plants grow... in DIRT! Lots of
> people plant their vegetable gardens over their septic leaching
> field, hurts nothing... all kinds of critters poop and pee in my
> vegetable garden, same as they do on all farm land. Plants are very
> selective in which nutrients they absorb.
>
>
I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
were introduced?

My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
choice was chicken poop.

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:54:35 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 7:06:30 AM UTC-10, BigC300 wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 25 May 2015 00:51:14 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >When I wash dishes here the stopper is put in both kitchen sinks and
> > > >one is used for washing while the other sink is used for rinsing.
> > >
> > >
> > > your rinse technique is not sanitary as there are numerous microbes
> > > living in the sink basin. Your county health department would declare
> > > your washed dishes unsanitary. They must be sterilized with fresh tap
> > > water heated to at least 140 degrees (F).
> > >
> > > William
> >
> > the plates washed this way ain't gonna kill you and at my house, we don't care about the declarations of the dept. of health. Hee hee.
> >
> >
> ^5! (high 5)

High is the number of people that want to control you in the land of the free and home of the brave!

On Mon, 25 May 2015 15:56:46 -0300, wrote:

>On Mon, 25 May 2015 10:11:17 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>>
>>> I am taking your comments as sarcasm, unfortunately I have never seen
>>> a suitable emoticon for sarcasm
>>
>>These work pretty well.... ;-D or ;-)
>
>Nah, they still look like smileys

<G>

On Mon, 25 May 2015 17:15:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-05-25 12:29 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:07:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Plus, when the salt is taken out, what happens to all that salt ?
>>
>> It has commercial applications.
>>
>
>We throw it on roads in the winter. It can also be sold as "sea salt",
> cuz that's what it is.

From pics I have seen, it's really bad for rusting out cars though.

On Mon, 25 May 2015 17:45:06 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>Ophelia wrote:
>>>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I have completely given up my deep baths, and have been doing the
>>>>>> short showers. Also saving the water for potted plants, using small
>>>>>> containers for washing dishes, instead of dishwasher, and cutting down
>>>>>> with the washing machine,
>>>>
>>>> Fully loaded, a dishwasher uses less water than other methods.
>>>
>>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because she
>>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>>
>>Some people do that here.
>
>Bath water/laundry water (gray water) is fine for gardening... where
>do people think plants grow... in DIRT!

Yes... but what's the connection there between toxins and dirt?

>Actually water used for
>cleaning dirty clothes/dishes/bodies makes good fertilzer. Lots of
>people plant their vegetable gardens over their sceptic leaching
>field, hurts nothing... all kinds of critters poop and pee in my
>vegetable garden, same as they do on all farm land. Plants are very
>selective in which nutrients they absorb... it's only particular man
>made chemicals that cause a negative affect, like pesticides,
>herbicides, and manufacturing waste... when a possum, raccoon, rodent,
>bird, even a cat poops in my garden I consider it a gift. I apply no
>chemicals but my lawn is lusher, greener, and healthier than anything
>Scotts Turf Builder/Weed & Feed can do... you can eat a salad of my
>lawn greens and never become ill from it... the same critters that
>fertilize my lawn are the ones that constantly eat my lawn. Next time
>you drink milk remember that those cows eat the same greens they poop
>and pee on. Freshly mowed two days ago, no chemicals but lots of
>critter poops, even hummingbird poops:
>http://i59.tinypic.com/30xk520.jpg
>http://i59.tinypic.com/5vhpy.jpg
>See those two crab apple trees, both bought together and planted
>together ten years ago, both same size seedlings in pots... guess
>which one is planted nearer the discharge pipe of my sceptic field:
>http://i59.tinypic.com/33e0okx.jpg

On Mon, 25 May 2015 08:13:34 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> wrote:

>On 5/24/2015 10:12 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It
>>>>>> helps to
>>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>>
>>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
>> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
>> Graham
>
>It could be conditioning, or maybe this is what women are accustomed to,
>most women grow very little body hair.

I tend to think it is conditioning for the most part.

On Mon, 25 May 2015 09:35:41 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>> On 5/25/2015 8:37 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Wall Street has been buying up orchards and massively over planting new
>>> trees during a drought so as to satisfy Chinese demand and reap higher
>>> rewards for investors. That makes the problem much worse if you are on
>>> trhe
>>> side of we need to conserve water if we are going to get through this..
>>>
>>> So are we better off? Depends on who you are I suppose.
>>>
>>
>> At this stage, adding more planting would seem to be the wrong thing to
>> do. But cutting back production may be very costly in other areas.
>
>You have to understand the immense power these growers have in this state.
>It is as if Wall Street dictates to the government how we handle this and of
>course they get preferential treatment.

As if? Wall Street *is* your government.

On 2015-05-25 6:46 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 17:15:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-05-25 12:29 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:07:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Plus, when the salt is taken out, what happens to all that salt ?
>>>
>>> It has commercial applications.
>>>
>>
>> We throw it on roads in the winter. It can also be sold as "sea salt",
>> cuz that's what it is.
>
> From pics I have seen, it's really bad for rusting out cars though.
>

It is, but it is better than dealing with the damage from cars sliding
into each other on icy roads.

On Mon, 25 May 2015 21:53:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"JRStern" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a lot
>>>of
>>>stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>
>>>Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>
>> Water has been in short supply in California since forever, and we've
>> tended to tune out the warnings, but this time it seems to finally be
>> getting very real.
>>
>> But even now it's complex. Even in this drought there is enough water
>> to go around if the 5% of the crops that are the big water wasters
>> were shifted to something else. Urban water usage is only about 15%
>> of the total, depending on how you count, and landscape is about half
>> of that.
>>
>> There are some farms in the delta with historic, premptive rights to
>> water and they are slow to give it up voluntarily - just this week
>> agreed to cut back by 25%, but it won't even be monitored, and it's
>> also not clear that water that gets to them will be used by anyone
>> else anyway, it's already too far downstream.
>>
>> Everyone has known for a century that the day would come when
>> California would have to do SOMETHING about water, and that day has
>> arrived. Desalination is pretty much the solution for the coastal
>> cities, but we might need 100 plants the size of the Carlsbad plant
>> being completed this year, and the anti-growth idiots like our
>> Governor Moonbeam are fighting it all the way. It might triple the
>> cost of urban water. BTW, do you know what it costs today, in Los
>> Angeles, for a gallon of water out of the faucet?
>>
>> For agriculture the long-term solution is harder, they are used to
>> getting water at 1/10 the price of urban water or less, much less.
>> And they're not on the coast, so just pumping water there would raise
>> the price as well. I suspect a century from now you will see 10,000
>> square miles of California farmland covered by greenhouses.
>>
>> I actually got in a bit of a panic about this just about a month ago,
>> when we got to the end of the rainy season and it punked out on us
>> again, and I read that the last 100 years of weather in California
>> have been unreasonably WET, the average for the 1,000 years before
>> that is about what we've been getting recently, or worse! Ooops.
>>
>> It could get really bad since our politicians are such idiots. But it
>> is mostly fixable, if people would just get off their asses.
>
>Thank you. I appreciatd your comments but all these points have been
>discussed already. You seem to have come late to the party

Indeed. Just wanted to endorse those that I endorsed!

J.

On Mon, 25 May 2015 18:57:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-05-25 6:46 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 May 2015 17:15:15 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-05-25 12:29 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:07:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus, when the salt is taken out, what happens to all that salt ?
>>>>
>>>> It has commercial applications.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We throw it on roads in the winter. It can also be sold as "sea salt",
>>> cuz that's what it is.
>>
>> From pics I have seen, it's really bad for rusting out cars though.
>>
>
>It is, but it is better than dealing with the damage from cars sliding
>into each other on icy roads.

True. We have plenty of ice on our roads here (as we do right now) but
we don't use salt here. I have seen sand used here. Personally, even
though the black ice is problematic, I think all in all I prefer that
salt isn't used here, I suppose an exception could be made for really
steep sections of roads though.

In article >, says...
>
> We will free you from the clutches of socialism. You will finally have free
> market health care, vouchers for schools, your suffering rich will be free
> from their tax burden and we'll keep those pesky foreigners from voting.
>
> Freedom for Canada!

Yebbut, how are you going to shine that all-year Californian sunshine
right up north to Canada so that Californians want to live there? Huge
mirrors, perhaps?

Janet UK

On Tue, 26 May 2015 00:16:26 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> We will free you from the clutches of socialism. You will finally have free
>> market health care, vouchers for schools, your suffering rich will be free
>> from their tax burden and we'll keep those pesky foreigners from voting.
>>
>> Freedom for Canada!
>
> Yebbut, how are you going to shine that all-year Californian sunshine
>right up north to Canada so that Californians want to live there? Huge
>mirrors, perhaps?

Might as well wait for the big one, afterwhich the question should be
directed to Arizona.

Ophelia wrote:
>The Other Guy wrote:
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>>>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because
>>>> she
>>>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>>>
>>>Some people do that here.
>>
>> That's known as grey water, and is illegal is some places,
>> yet required in other places.
>
>Why is it illegal?

He won't be able to say let alone cite why... grey water is no more
unnatural for gardening than rain water falling on farm land...
typical household wash water contains the same dirt as the dirt of
which ALL farmland is composed, probably cleaner.

On Mon, 25 May 2015 19:39:56 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>>The Other Guy wrote:
>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I remember many years ago in England when we had a very hot summer and
>>>>> water was rationed, a friend was shown in the local newspaper because
>>>>> she
>>>>> had hooked up a pipe to channel her bath water down into her garden
>>>>
>>>>Some people do that here.
>>>
>>> That's known as grey water, and is illegal is some places,
>>> yet required in other places.
>>
>>Why is it illegal?
>
>He won't be able to say let alone cite why... grey water is no more
>unnatural for gardening than rain water falling on farm land...
>typical household wash water contains the same dirt as the dirt of
>which ALL farmland is composed, probably cleaner.

Use of gray water is illegal in some states.
Janet US

On Mon, 25 May 2015 13:28:28 -0700, JRStern >
wrote:

> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It could
> >> get very ugly.
> >
> >Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
> >speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>
> Well it's a little off-topic.
>
When people complain about too much rain and I reply with "send some
to California"... I'd say there were a few hints about the drought.


--

sf

On Mon, 25 May 2015 17:10:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> There is also enough water to take care of all of our needs, but it is
> not in the places where we want it. Would be nice to move some of that
> Texas flood water to CA.

Yup.

--

sf

On 25/05/2015 4:54 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 08:13:34 -0500, Becca EmaNymton
> > wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/2015 10:12 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 24/05/2015 7:55 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 24/05/2015 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 18:30:57 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-05-24 2:23 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You shut CA down, you shoot the rest of the country in the foot
>>>>>>>>> since CA
>>>>>>>>> supplies a whole lot of food for the rest of the country. Yes, I can
>>>>>>>>> imagine it, they are asking people to take military type showers
>>>>>>>>> already, no more than 5 minutes start to finish, get wet, soap up,
>>>>>>>>> rinse
>>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5 minutes is generous. I can shower in 3!
>>>>>>>> Save water - Shower with a friend!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even three is luxurious. I can do it in less than a minute. It
>>>>>>> helps to
>>>>>>> have a hand held shower so you don't get a blast of cold water. I get
>>>>>>> into the tub and turn the water on hot and use the cold water to wet
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> soap and get lather up as the water is warming up. By the time I have
>>>>>>> hot water I am ready to rinse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's pretty easy when you're bald and don't shave in the shower.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You DON'T need to shave your legs!
>>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> You might be used to farm animals, but I prefer my legs shaved.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>> I can't understand the aversion N.American women have towards leg and
>>> armpit hair. It must be the result of conditioning by admass!
>>> Graham
>>
>> It could be conditioning, or maybe this is what women are accustomed to,
>> most women grow very little body hair.
>
> I tend to think it is conditioning for the most part.
>
It certainly is.
Graham

--

> wrote in message news:27bdbca1-9906-4490-9192-

> Well I have been washing dishes like this all my life and countless
> 100's of thousands before me have used the same method with nary a
> tummy ache or diarrhea. Since I'm not operating a restaurant here
> the health department will not be visiting me and I WILL continue to
> do my dishes in this manner.

Me too, to everything you posted above.

Cheri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 13:28:28 -0700, JRStern >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>> >> could
>> >> get very ugly.
>> >
>> >Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>> >speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>
>> Well it's a little off-topic.
>>
> When people complain about too much rain and I reply with "send some
> to California"... I'd say there were a few hints about the drought.
>
>
> --
>
> sf

Yes, we've pretty much covered it in posts this past year.

Cheri

On Mon, 25 May 2015 10:42:18 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Mon, 25 May 2015 08:14:53 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:07:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"sf" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:34:45 -0600, Cabrito del Bosque
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/24/2015 10:32 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>>> > On 2015-05-24, William > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> They may need to build massive desalinization plants on the California
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > nb
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0N601V20150415
>>>>
>>>> Why not use the desalinized water for agriculture?
>>>
>>>It is extremely expensive water and could not be produced on that scale and
>>>be economically viable/
>>>
>>
>>Plus, when the salt is taken out, what happens to all that salt ?
>
>It goes back into the ocean. The whole thing is an interesting
>process.
>Janet US

Actually the same quantity of salt (NACL) and water (H2O) has been on
this planet since its creation... it never changes.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/25/2015 2:27 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 16:35:36 -0600, Cabrito del Bosque
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Or maybe it was in February, when a headline in Mother Jones blared, "It
>>> takes how much water to grow an almond?!" (Profoundly misleading answer:
>>> 1.1 gallons per nut.)
>>
>> I think that was also when they (not necessarily Mother Jones) told us
>> that the orchards are irrigated by flooding. I don't know how much
>> truth there is to that though.
>>
>
> If they do, what happens to all the water? Some would go into the ground
> where it is purified and finds itself in a well as drinking water.


yep, about 40% or more in the San Joaquin Valley.

"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 7:34:27 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/25/2015 9:39 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
>
> >
> > We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
> > rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
> > second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
> >
> > Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
> > health,
> > safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would)
>
> On what will they base use or savings on? If it is past use, you'd fare
> better on your quota by using a lot of extra water until June 1.

They are basing it on water usage in 2013. This is a good thing for us
because that was the year that we had the pool drained, re-tiled and filled
again. Our number is quite high which is why I was able to plant a few
tomato plants including the Mortgage Lifter (Hi Nancy!)

Nellie

---------

where I am, it is not YOUR 2013 water usage, but the average residence's
2013 water usage.

Boneless stood up, wiped his mouth, hitched up his panties, and
threatened:


>You are a coward and a ****.

>**** you.

>Want some?

>Let's GO!

>You foul-mouthed little pussy.

****. Boneless is ****ed and using the bad words. Run for your
lives. ****.

lol

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 8:40:23 PM UTC-7, taxed and spent wrote:
> "Nellie" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 7:34:27 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/25/2015 9:39 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
> > > rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
> > > second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
> > >
> > > Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
> > > health,
> > > safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would)
> >
> > On what will they base use or savings on? If it is past use, you'd fare
> > better on your quota by using a lot of extra water until June 1.
>
> They are basing it on water usage in 2013. This is a good thing for us
> because that was the year that we had the pool drained, re-tiled and filled
> again. Our number is quite high which is why I was able to plant a few
> tomato plants including the Mortgage Lifter (Hi Nancy!)
>
> Nellie
>
> ---------
>
> where I am, it is not YOUR 2013 water usage, but the average residence's
> 2013 water usage.


Every water district is different. I just checked mine and it is indeed each household's water usage from 2013 that they use to calculate a 25% reduction.

Maybe it is different for condo or apartment dwellers. That would make more sense to me.

Nellie

On 2015-05-25, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 5/25/2015 2:27 PM, sf wrote:


>> that the orchards are irrigated by flooding. I don't know how much
>> truth there is to that though.

True enough in the past. When I was growing up in Stanislaus County,
all orchards were flooded. Now, water conservation has changed
this.

> If they do, what happens to all the water?

One of the biggest news stories of the 80s was the Kesterson
Reservoir, selenium toxicity debacle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesterson_Reservoir

Much of the flooding irrigation technique has been replaced by drip
watering or huge motorized sprinkler systems.

> There is also enough water to take care of all of our needs.......

Highly debatable. We have a fixed amt of fresh water. As the
population continues to grow, we will run out of enough fresh water to
satisfy this growth, regardless of distribution.

nb

"JRStern" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 21:53:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"JRStern" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 11:32:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
>>>>lot
>>>>of
>>>>stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the huge
>>>>reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how people
>>>>with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
>>>>
>>>>Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
>>>
>>> Water has been in short supply in California since forever, and we've
>>> tended to tune out the warnings, but this time it seems to finally be
>>> getting very real.
>>>
>>> But even now it's complex. Even in this drought there is enough water
>>> to go around if the 5% of the crops that are the big water wasters
>>> were shifted to something else. Urban water usage is only about 15%
>>> of the total, depending on how you count, and landscape is about half
>>> of that.
>>>
>>> There are some farms in the delta with historic, premptive rights to
>>> water and they are slow to give it up voluntarily - just this week
>>> agreed to cut back by 25%, but it won't even be monitored, and it's
>>> also not clear that water that gets to them will be used by anyone
>>> else anyway, it's already too far downstream.
>>>
>>> Everyone has known for a century that the day would come when
>>> California would have to do SOMETHING about water, and that day has
>>> arrived. Desalination is pretty much the solution for the coastal
>>> cities, but we might need 100 plants the size of the Carlsbad plant
>>> being completed this year, and the anti-growth idiots like our
>>> Governor Moonbeam are fighting it all the way. It might triple the
>>> cost of urban water. BTW, do you know what it costs today, in Los
>>> Angeles, for a gallon of water out of the faucet?
>>>
>>> For agriculture the long-term solution is harder, they are used to
>>> getting water at 1/10 the price of urban water or less, much less.
>>> And they're not on the coast, so just pumping water there would raise
>>> the price as well. I suspect a century from now you will see 10,000
>>> square miles of California farmland covered by greenhouses.
>>>
>>> I actually got in a bit of a panic about this just about a month ago,
>>> when we got to the end of the rainy season and it punked out on us
>>> again, and I read that the last 100 years of weather in California
>>> have been unreasonably WET, the average for the 1,000 years before
>>> that is about what we've been getting recently, or worse! Ooops.
>>>
>>> It could get really bad since our politicians are such idiots. But it
>>> is mostly fixable, if people would just get off their asses.
>>
>>Thank you. I appreciatd your comments but all these points have been
>>discussed already. You seem to have come late to the party
>
> Indeed. Just wanted to endorse those that I endorsed!

<g> righteo)

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 13:28:28 -0700, JRStern >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>> >> could
>> >> get very ugly.
>> >
>> >Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>> >speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>
>> Well it's a little off-topic.
>>
> When people complain about too much rain and I reply with "send some
> to California"... I'd say there were a few hints about the drought.

Of course, but I never expected it to be so bad!

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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote in message news:27bdbca1-9906-4490-9192-
>
>> Well I have been washing dishes like this all my life and countless 100's
>> of thousands before me have used the same method with nary a
>> tummy ache or diarrhea. Since I'm not operating a restaurant here
>> the health department will not be visiting me and I WILL continue to
>> do my dishes in this manner.
>
> Me too, to everything you posted above.

+1

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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 25 May 2015 13:28:28 -0700, JRStern >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>>> >> could
>>> >> get very ugly.
>>> >
>>> >Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>> >speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>
>>> Well it's a little off-topic.
>>>
>> When people complain about too much rain and I reply with "send some
>> to California"... I'd say there were a few hints about the drought.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> Yes, we've pretty much covered it in posts this past year.

As I said, I didn't realise it was so serious. Those reservoirs with just a
trickle of water ...

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 25 May 2015 13:28:28 -0700, JRStern >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 17:08:09 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> Nowhere. That's the problem and that is where we are headed. It
>>>> >> could
>>>> >> get very ugly.
>>>> >
>>>> >Are there many posters here from California? I haven't heard anyone
>>>> >speaking about it. Are you not all very worried?
>>>>
>>>> Well it's a little off-topic.
>>>>
>>> When people complain about too much rain and I reply with "send some
>>> to California"... I'd say there were a few hints about the drought.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> sf
>>
>> Yes, we've pretty much covered it in posts this past year.
>
> As I said, I didn't realise it was so serious. Those reservoirs with just
> a trickle of water ...

Washington state is bad off too, at least in some areas. They have declared
us to be in drought. No water restrictions yet but only because they said
they think they can trust us to restrict on our own anyway. Apparently we
got plenty of water down here where we live but not nearly enough up in the
mountains and that's where our water supply comes from. There is a natural
spring near here that offers free water for the taking. I've just never
done it because there is only a small parking lot and any time I have gone
by there, the lot was full and then some. Plus there would be storage
issues. And you have to bring your own containers.

On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 6:46:32 PM UTC-4, Je�us wrote:
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 17:15:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2015-05-25 12:29 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:07:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Plus, when the salt is taken out, what happens to all that salt ?
> >>
> >> It has commercial applications.
> >>
> >
> >We throw it on roads in the winter. It can also be sold as "sea salt",
> > cuz that's what it is.
>
> From pics I have seen, it's really bad for rusting out cars though.

Yeah. But it's either rusting out over the long term, or
immediate auto body damage from sliding on the ice.

My car is about 15 years old, and isn't a rusted-out hulk
by any means.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2015-05-26 9:16 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>>> We throw it on roads in the winter. It can also be sold as "sea salt",
>>> cuz that's what it is.
>>
>> From pics I have seen, it's really bad for rusting out cars though.
>
> Yeah. But it's either rusting out over the long term, or
> immediate auto body damage from sliding on the ice.
>
> My car is about 15 years old, and isn't a rusted-out hulk
> by any means.
>




Cars have much better rust protection now than they did in the past.
Back in the 1970s when I started buying cars you could count on serious
rust damage within a few years. Engines also tended to die quickly, so
if you were putting a lot of miles on a car you would be lucky to get 5
years out of it. I just replaced my mother's 1997 Buick last week. It
only had 140,000 clicks on it and was running great. I sent it to the
shop for a leak in the fuel system and when my mechanic put it up on the
hoist he spotted some serious rust damage. There was only one spot on
one of the doors that showed surface rust.