On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
> >
> > The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
> > there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
> > waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
> >
>
> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>
>
That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
don't.

Taxis ain't cheap. :-(

On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>
>>
>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>
>>
> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house.

I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.

> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>
Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>
>>>
>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>
> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>
>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>
> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>
> Jill
>

Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>
>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>
>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>
>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>
>Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.

I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
built than Australian or American built cars, for example.

Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
> wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>
>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>
>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>
>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>

I agree but how do *you* define "late model"? I didn't know Australia
had a car brand.

On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:46:38 -0400, Username >
wrote:

>Je?us wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>
>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>
>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>>
>
>I agree but how do *you* define "late model"?

Well, within the last 5 years?

>I didn't know Australia
>had a car brand.

Holden and Ford is all that's left in Aus, and both of those will
thankfully be gone soon too.

Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:46:38 -0400, Username >
> wrote:
>
>> Je?us wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>>> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>>>
>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"?
> Well, within the last 5 years?


I agree that 2010 and later Hyundais are fine cars. In their earlier
days they were less than stellar.
>
>> I didn't know Australia
>> had a car brand.
> Holden and Ford is all that's left in Aus, and both of those will
> thankfully be gone soon too.
>

Not Australian. US cars built in Australia.

On 5/27/2015 7:02 PM, wrote:

>>>
>>
>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"? I didn't know Australia
>> had a car brand.
>
> Australian Holdens.
>


GM is going to stop making Holdens in Australia in2017.

On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:14:01 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 28 May 2015 21:14:10 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 28 May 2015 07:53:51 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:24:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 5/27/2015 7:02 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"? I didn't know Australia
>>>>>> had a car brand.
>>>>>
>>>>> Australian Holdens.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>GM is going to stop making Holdens in Australia in2017.
>>>
>>>I am so surprised, never thought they would let that happen but maybe
>>>Holden got too casual ?
>>
>>I don't know what that could possibly mean. It was probably another
>>case of cheaper labour elsewhere.
>
>Meaning that when something is more or less a national symbol they get
>careless and don't feel the need to upgrade it and nurture it
>carefully and then bad things happen.

That was basically it. Both Holden and Ford insisted on building
large, rear wheel drive cars that nobody wanted any more, compounded
by poor build quality and cost cutting measures along the way that
made the cars less reliable than imports.

wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:46:38 -0400, Username >
> wrote:
>
>> Je?us wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>>> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>>>
>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"? I didn't know Australia
>> had a car brand.
> Australian Holdens.
>

Subsidiary of GM.

On Thu, 28 May 2015 21:05:41 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 28 May 2015 20:03:31 -0400, Username >
>wrote:
>
wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:46:38 -0400, Username >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Je?us wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>>>>> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>>>>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>>>>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>>>>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>>>>>
>>>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"? I didn't know Australia
>>>> had a car brand.
>>> Australian Holdens.
>>>
>>
>>Subsidiary of GM.
>
>So I have now heard, so sad, too bad, as in death knell.

Chrysler died here circa 1980's from memory, their factory morphed
into Mitsubishi, which struggled for decades before finally closing
it's doors less than ten years ago (the cars were really crap anyway).

Toyota still have a factory here... for couple more years anyway, then
it too is gone.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
news
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
> wrote:
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it
>>>>>> fixed,
>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>
>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>
>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>
>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>
>>Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>
> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.

My husband has a 2011 Hyundai and so far no problems with it. I think there
might have been one recall but not sure. Then again, pretty much most late
model cars will be recalled with the air bag thing. I have a 2014 Ford. My
Ford dealership almost always provides transportation. Only time they
didn't was when the driver was ill or the car was being repaired. I once
got a complimentary rental car for several days when they couldn't repair my
van promptly. There is a car repairs shop near here that offers you a ride
home as well. Most shops have a shuttle car or van these days.
Advertisement for them. I have been to other shops where they will give you
a ride. Either the owner or one of the mechanics, in their own car.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it
>>>>>>> fixed,
>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>>
>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>
>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>
>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>>
>>>Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>>
>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>
> My husband has a 2011 Hyundai and so far no problems with it. I think
> there might have been one recall but not sure. Then again, pretty much
> most late model cars will be recalled with the air bag thing. I have a
> 2014 Ford. My Ford dealership almost always provides transportation.
> Only time they didn't was when the driver was ill or the car was being
> repaired. I once got a complimentary rental car for several days when
> they couldn't repair my van promptly. There is a car repairs shop near
> here that offers you a ride home as well. Most shops have a shuttle car
> or van these days. Advertisement for them. I have been to other shops
> where they will give you a ride. Either the owner or one of the
> mechanics, in their own car.

I know what you mean about being an advertisement Ours lend a very nice
car with adverts all over it for their garage) I hate it but at least
they are good cars)

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 5/28/2015 1:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


> My husband has a 2011 Hyundai and so far no problems with it. I think
> there might have been one recall but not sure. Then again, pretty much
> most late model cars will be recalled with the air bag thing.

Hyundai is not part of the airbag recall.

I've owned quite a few GM cars and every one had to go in for warranty
work in the first couple of months. Had a Mercedes and it was very
expensive to service for anything. Never had a Chrysler product, never
will.

I'm on my third Hyundai and none have needed any repairs at all.
Built in the USA with non union workers. The dealer has called me and
offered some good deals, but I like my car so much I'm keeping it a
whole longer. Probably will buy another though, really like the 2.0 turbo.

On Thu, 28 May 2015 22:13:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 5/28/2015 1:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
>
>
> > My husband has a 2011 Hyundai and so far no problems with it. I think
> > there might have been one recall but not sure. Then again, pretty much
> > most late model cars will be recalled with the air bag thing.
>
> Hyundai is not part of the airbag recall.

Not YET. The web site clearly says to keep checking back because they
are adding to the list all the time. The airbag manufacturer can't
crank out airbags fast enough to satisfy the demand if everyone has
their airbags replaced at one time.
>
> I've owned quite a few GM cars and every one had to go in for warranty
> work in the first couple of months. Had a Mercedes and it was very
> expensive to service for anything. Never had a Chrysler product, never
> will.
>
> I'm on my third Hyundai and none have needed any repairs at all.
> Built in the USA with non union workers. The dealer has called me and
> offered some good deals, but I like my car so much I'm keeping it a
> whole longer. Probably will buy another though, really like the 2.0 turbo.


--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room.

On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:13:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it
>>>>>>> fixed,
>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>>
>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>
>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>
>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>>
>>>Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>>
>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>
>My husband has a 2011 Hyundai and so far no problems with it. I think there
>might have been one recall but not sure. Then again, pretty much most late
>model cars will be recalled with the air bag thing.

That's right, all makes of cars have recalls at some point.

>I have a 2014 Ford. My
>Ford dealership almost always provides transportation. Only time they
>didn't was when the driver was ill or the car was being repaired. I once
>got a complimentary rental car for several days when they couldn't repair my
>van promptly. There is a car repairs shop near here that offers you a ride
>home as well. Most shops have a shuttle car or van these days.
>Advertisement for them. I have been to other shops where they will give you
>a ride. Either the owner or one of the mechanics, in their own car.

On 5/26/2015 7:15 PM, Username wrote:


>>
>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>
>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>
>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.


Buy an Equus and they will come and get the car for you. Not sure if
they offer it for the Genesis.

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
> >>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
> >>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
> >>>
> >>
> >> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
> >>
> >>
> > That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house.
>
> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.

Dealerships I use have a factotum who will deposit you up to five miles
away. Then you must persuade a cow-orker to take you there, on their
way home.

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 5:52:48 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
> >>
> > That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house.
>
> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>
A hundred years ago when I had my Cadillac they had a shuttle service
in a stretch limo, no less!
>
> > Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
> >
> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>
> Jill

On 5/26/2015 2:37 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 5:52:48 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>
>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house.
>>
>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>
> A hundred years ago when I had my Cadillac they had a shuttle service
> in a stretch limo, no less!

A hundred years ago, a Cadillac was a cut above your average car. OTOH,
the Dodge dealership my dad goes to has a courtesy shuttle available.
It's no stretch limo though - just a mini-van but it's a whole lot
better than hoofing it.

>>
>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>
>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>
>> Jill
>

On 5/26/2015 6:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>

Chevy dealer in town does. Drop off as early as 7 and get a ride to
work or home. Not sure it there is a distance limit.

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:52:48 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
> >>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
> >>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
> >>>
> >>
> >> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
> >>
> >>
> > That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house.
>
> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.

Both the Toyota and Honda dealerships in Ann Arbor have a shuttle
that will take you to where you want to go, within reason. Most of
us use them to get back to work, although I occasionally see people
taken home. Even the plain old garage that I used to go to had a
guy who would drive people to work.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>> >
>> > The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>> > there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>> > waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>> >
>>
>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>
>>
>That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>don't.
>
>Taxis ain't cheap. :-(

On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
for the cost of a taxi.

On 2015-05-26 18:55, wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>

>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>> don't.
>>
>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>
> On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
> neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
> for the cost of a taxi.
>
That is so true. I take vehicles to dealers only when they are under
warranty and only for things covered by the warranty. Even those trips
can involved rude surprises, which is why I don't buy any of the Big 3
NA car products. They treat their dealership as a license to steal.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:09:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-05-26 18:55, wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>
>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>>> don't.
>>>
>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>
>> On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
>> neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
>> for the cost of a taxi.
>>
>That is so true. I take vehicles to dealers only when they are under
>warranty and only for things covered by the warranty. Even those trips
>can involved rude surprises, which is why I don't buy any of the Big 3
>NA car products. They treat their dealership as a license to steal.

From what I understand, dealerships these days make their money from
parts and servicing - not the actual car, due to strong competition.

So they gouge the living hell out of any sucker who takes their car
there for service or repairs.

I remember a few years ago when the timing belt was due on my Subaru
Forester, I did some research to find out what else I should replace
whilst I was at it. The local Subaru dealership wanted $1300 for the
parts, I bought the exact same parts online for $500 delivered.

On 2015-05-26 21:26, wrote:

>> That is so true. I take vehicles to dealers only when they are under
>> warranty and only for things covered by the warranty. Even those trips
>> can involved rude surprises, which is why I don't buy any of the Big 3
>> NA car products. They treat their dealership as a license to steal.
>
> From what I understand, dealerships these days make their money from
> parts and servicing - not the actual car, due to strong competition.
>
> So they gouge the living hell out of any sucker who takes their car
> there for service or repairs.\

>
> I remember a few years ago when the timing belt was due on my Subaru
> Forester, I did some research to find out what else I should replace
> whilst I was at it. The local Subaru dealership wanted $1300 for the
> parts, I bought the exact same parts online for $500 delivered.

I had a Ford Ranger with a diesel engine (1985). An oil filter was $35.
The Fuel fuel filter was $110. I had a mechanic rip out the fuel
filter and replaced it with a Racor filter. The filter cartridges were
$4.95.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 21:56:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-05-26 21:26, wrote:
>
>>> That is so true. I take vehicles to dealers only when they are under
>>> warranty and only for things covered by the warranty. Even those trips
>>> can involved rude surprises, which is why I don't buy any of the Big 3
>>> NA car products. They treat their dealership as a license to steal.
>>
>> From what I understand, dealerships these days make their money from
>> parts and servicing - not the actual car, due to strong competition.
>>
>> So they gouge the living hell out of any sucker who takes their car
>> there for service or repairs.\
>
>>
>> I remember a few years ago when the timing belt was due on my Subaru
>> Forester, I did some research to find out what else I should replace
>> whilst I was at it. The local Subaru dealership wanted $1300 for the
>> parts, I bought the exact same parts online for $500 delivered.
>
>I had a Ford Ranger with a diesel engine (1985). An oil filter was $35.
>The Fuel fuel filter was $110. I had a mechanic rip out the fuel
>filter and replaced it with a Racor filter. The filter cartridges were
>$4.95.

That's a good idea. I have two Toyota Hiluxes here that are diesel,
I'm lucky that they use commonly available and cheap filters.

OB Food: currently making cauliflower soup.
Dinner will be a lamb leg steak and salad with a Romano cheese & chive
dressing.

On Wed, 27 May 2015 07:08:49 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:26:12 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:09:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2015-05-26 18:55, wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>>>>> don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
>>>> neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
>>>> for the cost of a taxi.
>>>>
>>>That is so true. I take vehicles to dealers only when they are under
>>>warranty and only for things covered by the warranty. Even those trips
>>>can involved rude surprises, which is why I don't buy any of the Big 3
>>>NA car products. They treat their dealership as a license to steal.
>>
>>From what I understand, dealerships these days make their money from
>>parts and servicing - not the actual car, due to strong competition.
>>
>>So they gouge the living hell out of any sucker who takes their car
>>there for service or repairs.
>>
>>I remember a few years ago when the timing belt was due on my Subaru
>>Forester, I did some research to find out what else I should replace
>>whilst I was at it. The local Subaru dealership wanted $1300 for the
>>parts, I bought the exact same parts online for $500 delivered.
>
>That's how I felt, something like a game of Catch Me if you Can - when
>taking the old car in first I would have my grandson check out any
>problem so that at least it sounded like I might know something when
>there

It's sad that people have to think that way, but it is well justified.

>With this one, Mazda, I did buy a package for the first five years of
>services, that worked out pretty fairly divided into payments for
>same. What I didn't like was taking the basic car it did not have
>keyless entry, so I did go one up to get it. He was pointing out that
>also had quad speakers, ask me how much I care about that! I like
>the keyless entry because most of all you don't make all those
>scratches around the lock with other keys on the chain.

But... it has QUAD SPEAKERS!!

On Fri, 29 May 2015 20:58:25 -0300, wrote:

>On Sat, 30 May 2015 09:15:44 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>
>>>With this one, Mazda, I did buy a package for the first five years of
>>>services, that worked out pretty fairly divided into payments for
>>>same. What I didn't like was taking the basic car it did not have
>>>keyless entry, so I did go one up to get it. He was pointing out that
>>>also had quad speakers, ask me how much I care about that! I like
>>>the keyless entry because most of all you don't make all those
>>>scratches around the lock with other keys on the chain.
>>
>>But... it has QUAD SPEAKERS!!
>
>And that turned out to be a dubious attraction since I only listen to
>CBC talk radio and to pick up the FM nicely the antenna should be
>raised. However if I do, it clips the garage door and some of the
>plumbing pipes in the underground parking lol I had raised it as they
>said but that's what happened. My old car had the antenna on the wing
>and all was fine, this has it on the roof and being only just over 5'
>tall I have to open the door and stand on the sill to touch it

Now that would be annoying... if it truly bothers you enough, you
could probably get an on-glass antenna installed to replace your
current one.

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
> >>
> >>
> >That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
> >don't.
> >
> >Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>
> On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
> neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
> for the cost of a taxi.
>
>
Yes, it was a SUBSTANTIAL savings for work to
be done at a neighborhood shop. But to go a mile
and one half was $6.50 and the return trip was
another $6.50.

I thought to myself I need to be running a
taxi service at those prices!

On Tue, 26 May 2015 17:41:50 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>> >don't.
>> >
>> >Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>
>> On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
>> neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
>> for the cost of a taxi.
>>
>>
>Yes, it was a SUBSTANTIAL savings for work to
>be done at a neighborhood shop. But to go a mile
>and one half was $6.50 and the return trip was
>another $6.50.
>
>I thought to myself I need to be running a
>taxi service at those prices!

I haven't been in a taxi in years, so I'd be sure to be horrified at
the prices these days. I drove taxis for about a year, in a place
called Airlie Beach, which is basically a holiday destination for
younger people rather than families. It was a cruisy job and very good
pay. Awesome way to meet women too, as I discovered I used to go
home when it was quiet and listen to the scanner, when it got busy,
I'd go back out. There had never been an assault on any driver in the
history of the company. I would never in a million years drive a taxi
anywhere else though.

On 5/26/2015 8:41 PM, wrote:

>>
>>
> Yes, it was a SUBSTANTIAL savings for work to
> be done at a neighborhood shop. But to go a mile
> and one half was $6.50 and the return trip was
> another $6.50.
>
> I thought to myself I need to be running a
> taxi service at those prices!
>

Try it. Won't be long before you want your old job back. Not many
wealthy cab drivers. Many work 12 hour days too.

wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>>> don't.
>>>
>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>> On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
>> neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
>> for the cost of a taxi.
>>
>>
> Yes, it was a SUBSTANTIAL savings for work to
> be done at a neighborhood shop. But to go a mile
> and one half was $6.50 and the return trip was
> another $6.50.
>
> I thought to myself I need to be running a
> taxi service at those prices!
>

There's a minimum charge. The driver does have to travel to your location.

On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-5, Username wrote:
>
> wrote:
> > to go a mile
> > and one half was $6.50 and the return trip was
> > another $6.50.
> >
> > I thought to myself I need to be running a
> > taxi service at those prices!
> >
>
> There's a minimum charge. The driver does have to travel to your location.
>
>
Duh.

wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-5, Username wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> to go a mile
>>> and one half was $6.50 and the return trip was
>>> another $6.50.
>>>
>>> I thought to myself I need to be running a
>>> taxi service at those prices!
>>>
>> There's a minimum charge. The driver does have to travel to your location.
>>
>>
> Duh.
>
No. Webtv is "duh".

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 7:05:28 PM UTC-5, Username wrote:
>
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-5, Username wrote:
>
> >> wrote:
> >> There's a minimum charge. The driver does have to travel to your location.
> >>
> >>
> > Duh.
> >
> No. Webtv is "duh".
>
>
There is no WebTV dumbass. It's a fake address like
gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, etc.

That is your lesson for the day.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:07:04 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 27 May 2015 08:55:20 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>> > there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>> > waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>>>don't.
>>>
>>>Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>
>>On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
>>neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
>>for the cost of a taxi.
>
>I trust dealerships about as far as I can throw them.

Wise choice there.

>However they do
>offer shuttle service, I can say that about them.

True. We do have some mechanic workshops here that offer 'courtesy
cars', but they are rare.

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:07:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> I trust dealerships about as far as I can throw them. However they do
> offer shuttle service, I can say that about them.
>
>
I've had no gripes about their work, just their price gouging
prices. An example: I was in for recall, free fix, but they
did do a bit of going over to check for other things. They
said I needed a new fuel filter and the price was $50; my local
garage did it for $10.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 17:44:39 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:07:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>
>> I trust dealerships about as far as I can throw them. However they do
>> offer shuttle service, I can say that about them.
>>
>>
>I've had no gripes about their work, just their price gouging
>prices. An example: I was in for recall, free fix, but they
>did do a bit of going over to check for other things.

They're not at all shy about suggesting unnecessary or pointless
maintenance or repairs as well.

>They
>said I needed a new fuel filter and the price was $50; my local
>garage did it for $10.

They're the same everywhere it seems.

On 2015-05-26 20:44, wrote:

> I've had no gripes about their work, just their price gouging
> prices. An example: I was in for recall, free fix, but they
> did do a bit of going over to check for other things. They
> said I needed a new fuel filter and the price was $50; my local
> garage did it for $10.
>
My last Ford went in in a recall, came back running like crap. They said
it needed a tuneup, even though there was low mileage. Then they found a
cracked head casket.

A short time later the battery up and died. No problem they told me...
it's under warranty. FWIW.. it was 1988. It cost me $165. I could have
picked up a battery at Canadian Tire for $70. Service manager said it
would be a lower quality battery. Lower quality than the one that died
after 6 months?

They also charged me an hour for labour... and a battery can be change
din 10 minutes. The real kicker was the $46.95 test for the AVR test.
When I questioned that he told me it was the amperage voltage and
resistance test. Yes... I know that... why am I being charged and why
is it $46.95. He asked if I thought that had a meter that with a couple
clamps they attached?.... Yes... that it exactly how it is done.

I told them to watch me going out because they would never see me coming
back in. I didn't exactly keep that promise. A few years later I stopped
by and asked the manager to come out and see my new van.... a Mazda.