On Mon, 25 May 2015 20:39:22 -0700, "taxed and spent"
> wrote:

>
>"Nellie" > wrote in message
...
>On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 7:34:27 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 5/25/2015 9:39 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > We are very affected here in the SFBayArea. Starting June 1, we will be
>> > rationed with a warning for the first infraction, a small fine for the
>> > second and a heavy-duty one for the third.
>> >
>> > Our family has been doing all that we can, but I will not compromise
>> > health,
>> > safety, or cleanliness (as if anyone would)
>>
>> On what will they base use or savings on? If it is past use, you'd fare
>> better on your quota by using a lot of extra water until June 1.
>
>They are basing it on water usage in 2013. This is a good thing for us
>because that was the year that we had the pool drained, re-tiled and filled
>again. Our number is quite high which is why I was able to plant a few
>tomato plants including the Mortgage Lifter (Hi Nancy!)
>
>Nellie
>
Where I am, in a nearby state, we are also in drought but nothing
approaching California. I've always had soaker hoses for all my
garden areas but this year I also covered with the weed barrier cloth
or the red high-yield mulch fabric. So far it seems to limit
evaporation.
Janet US

On 2015-05-26 11:00 AM, wrote:

> I just sold my 14 year old car but rust was definitely not why - I
> figured I was going to face bills here and there and this was the
> moment to decide whether to put more money in, or change.
>
> This one has undercoat protection and I figure it will see me out.
>


I would have sold that Buick years ago but my wife loved it and did not
want to give it up. Even when the front end was rotted she thought I had
coached the mechanic to say that. Three years ago I had a problem with
the transmission slipping. I took it to my mechanic to check it out and
went looking for a replacement. Then he called me and said it was a
leaking line. With parts and labour it was only $150 to get it fixed.
Last year I had to replace the fuel tank. She is retired and didn't put
a lot of miles on the car, so it was cheaper to spend $100-200 on
repairs 2-3 times a year than to make payments on a new car.

On 2015-05-26 11:06 AM, Janet B wrote:

> Where I am, in a nearby state, we are also in drought but nothing
> approaching California. I've always had soaker hoses for all my
> garden areas but this year I also covered with the weed barrier cloth
> or the red high-yield mulch fabric. So far it seems to limit
> evaporation.
>

I am in southern Ontario and we need rain. We had a very cold winter and
not a heck of a lot of snow. It was so cold that the snow we did have
stuck around until spring, when it melted gradually. We have not had a
real rain in about a month. Yesterday it sprinkled for about 5 minutes.
The forecasts for rain keep getting pushed back later and later and
the amount of precipitation expected keeps dropping.

On 5/26/2015 4:08 AM, notbob wrote:

>
>> There is also enough water to take care of all of our needs.......
>
> Highly debatable. We have a fixed amt of fresh water. As the
> population continues to grow, we will run out of enough fresh water to
> satisfy this growth, regardless of distribution.
>
> nb
>

Then it becomes a form of population control.

It would take a hell of an increase though. Water is recirculated as
long as we continue to urinate and sweat.

The Great Famine of 1315 though, was caused by too much rain, not a
shortage. .

In article >,
says...
> I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
> be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
> was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
> were introduced?
>
> My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
> year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
> choice was chicken poop.
>

My grandfather's hugely productive veg garden was fertilised entirely
by human waste from the bucket lav used by all the family. He dug a
hole, tipped the bucket, shovelled soil on top.

My veg garden is fertilised entirely by home made compost (includes
sheep and horse manure) and seaweed.

Janet UK

On Tue, 26 May 2015 12:27:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> She is retired and didn't put
> a lot of miles on the car, so it was cheaper to spend $100-200 on
> repairs 2-3 times a year than to make payments on a new car.
>

For me, the time to get a new car is when I'm spending as much monthly
to fix the old one as would be to pay for a new one.

--

sf

On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:

>> I would have sold that Buick years ago but my wife loved it and did not
>> want to give it up. Even when the front end was rotted she thought I had
>> coached the mechanic to say that. Three years ago I had a problem with
>> the transmission slipping. I took it to my mechanic to check it out and
>> went looking for a replacement. Then he called me and said it was a
>> leaking line. With parts and labour it was only $150 to get it fixed.
>> Last year I had to replace the fuel tank. She is retired and didn't put
>> a lot of miles on the car, so it was cheaper to spend $100-200 on
>> repairs 2-3 times a year than to make payments on a new car.
>>
>
> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>

You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.

On 2015-05-26 4:51 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 12:27:55 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> She is retired and didn't put
>> a lot of miles on the car, so it was cheaper to spend $100-200 on
>> repairs 2-3 times a year than to make payments on a new car.
>>
>
> For me, the time to get a new car is when I'm spending as much monthly
> to fix the old one as would be to pay for a new one.
>


That's pretty close to my strategy. We are both retired, so having a
reliable car is not as important to us as it used to be. I consider the
cost of repairs versus new car payments. I was spending about $500 per
year on the average to keep that Buick on the road. That's two car
payments. It ran well and handled well. Then the repairs started
getting more expensive. Two years ago the AC died, so I told my wife
to open the windows and drive faster because if I was going to spend
that much money on a car it would be on a newer on.

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
> >
> > The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
> > there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
> > waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
> >
>
> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>
>
That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
don't.

Taxis ain't cheap. :-(

On Tue, 26 May 2015 06:16:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 6:46:32 PM UTC-4, Je�us wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 May 2015 17:15:15 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2015-05-25 12:29 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> >> > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> On Sun, 24 May 2015 19:07:32 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Plus, when the salt is taken out, what happens to all that salt ?
>> >>
>> >> It has commercial applications.
>> >>
>> >
>> >We throw it on roads in the winter. It can also be sold as "sea salt",
>> > cuz that's what it is.
>>
>> From pics I have seen, it's really bad for rusting out cars though.
>
>Yeah. But it's either rusting out over the long term, or
>immediate auto body damage from sliding on the ice.

Now that's true...

I suppose we have been lucky here, we get lots of black ice (as we
have now) and many roads are steep because we live in a mountainous
area, but so far no serious incidents.

>My car is about 15 years old, and isn't a rusted-out hulk
>by any means.

Well that's not too bad then. Last year I saw some pics of some
Subarus on a USAian Subaru forum and I was taken aback at the amount
of rust in what were only ten year old cars - from salt.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:43:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>> I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
>> be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
>> was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
>> were introduced?
>>
>> My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
>> year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
>> choice was chicken poop.
>>
>
> My grandfather's hugely productive veg garden was fertilised entirely
>by human waste from the bucket lav used by all the family. He dug a
>hole, tipped the bucket, shovelled soil on top.

'night soil'

> My veg garden is fertilised entirely by home made compost (includes
>sheep and horse manure) and seaweed.

Sounds good.

My soil here is very good nutrient-wise and it is basically old river
bed soil, but high in clay.

After some years of half-heartedly trying to fix the problem (gypsum
did nothing), I've gotten serious this year. So far I've added six
inches each of sheep, cow and poultry manures, same again with old
sawdust and large bales of partly rotted sheep's fleece. Also added a
few loads of seaweed I collected (I dumped it in the creek for a few
weeks to wash the salt out first). Also three large bales of straw.
And lots and lots of lime with each layer... all turned over with a
cultivator.

It's really starting to look good now and is already crawling with
worms. Because of this I only have a small patch of broad beans and
garlic in the main bed ATM, but this coming spring I will plant the
whole area out.

On 26/05/2015 3:40 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 06:16:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>

>>>> We throw it on roads in the winter. It can also be sold as "sea salt",
>>>> cuz that's what it is.
>>>
>
>
>> My car is about 15 years old, and isn't a rusted-out hulk
>> by any means.
>
> Well that's not too bad then. Last year I saw some pics of some
> Subarus on a USAian Subaru forum and I was taken aback at the amount
> of rust in what were only ten year old cars - from salt.
>
We don't have that problem on the Prairies where the humidity is
generally low. If I see a rusty car, it's almost certainly from
Vancouver or eastern Canada.
Graham
--

On 5/26/2015 5:16 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>
>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>
>
Uh oh, I'm disclosing more personal information. LOL Funny but there is
a TV in the waiting room where I work and half the time it is not turned
on. If it is, it's at a low volume and definitely not a blaring sports
channel. There are plenty of current magazines on the tables in the
waiting room. Half the time the people I see sitting in there are texting.

> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>
True, Dave. That happens a lot where I work. People often have someone
meet them there. They leave one car and drive off together. Maybe they
go out to lunch or out shopping.

Jill

On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>
>>
>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>
>>
> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house.

I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.

> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>
Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.

Jill

On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>> >
>> > The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>> > there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>> > waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>> >
>>
>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>
>>
>That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>don't.
>
>Taxis ain't cheap. :-(

On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
for the cost of a taxi.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 16:32:29 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 26/05/2015 3:40 PM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 06:16:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>
>>>>> We throw it on roads in the winter. It can also be sold as "sea salt",
>>>>> cuz that's what it is.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>> My car is about 15 years old, and isn't a rusted-out hulk
>>> by any means.
>>
>> Well that's not too bad then. Last year I saw some pics of some
>> Subarus on a USAian Subaru forum and I was taken aback at the amount
>> of rust in what were only ten year old cars - from salt.
>>
>We don't have that problem on the Prairies where the humidity is
>generally low. If I see a rusty car, it's almost certainly from
>Vancouver or eastern Canada.

I'm glad they don't salt the roads here, or at least I am so far.
There's only been a few times where it got a little scary trying to
drive on the roads here.

jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>
>>>
>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>
> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>
>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>
> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>
> Jill
>

Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-7, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
> >>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
> >>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
> >>>
> >>
> >> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
> >>
> >>
> > That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house.
>
> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.

Dealerships I use have a factotum who will deposit you up to five miles
away. Then you must persuade a cow-orker to take you there, on their
way home.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>
>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>
>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>
>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>
>Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.

I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
built than Australian or American built cars, for example.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:07:04 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 27 May 2015 08:55:20 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>> > there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>> > waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>>>don't.
>>>
>>>Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>
>>On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
>>neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
>>for the cost of a taxi.
>
>I trust dealerships about as far as I can throw them.

Wise choice there.

>However they do
>offer shuttle service, I can say that about them.

True. We do have some mechanic workshops here that offer 'courtesy
cars', but they are rare.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:08:24 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 27 May 2015 08:58:58 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 16:32:29 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>>On 26/05/2015 3:40 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 06:16:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> We throw it on roads in the winter. It can also be sold as "sea salt",
>>>>>>> cuz that's what it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My car is about 15 years old, and isn't a rusted-out hulk
>>>>> by any means.
>>>>
>>>> Well that's not too bad then. Last year I saw some pics of some
>>>> Subarus on a USAian Subaru forum and I was taken aback at the amount
>>>> of rust in what were only ten year old cars - from salt.
>>>>
>>>We don't have that problem on the Prairies where the humidity is
>>>generally low. If I see a rusty car, it's almost certainly from
>>>Vancouver or eastern Canada.
>>
>>I'm glad they don't salt the roads here, or at least I am so far.
>>There's only been a few times where it got a little scary trying to
>>drive on the roads here.
>
>We get a lot of icy conditions and having snows doesn't help with that
>- I remember once when the car was going where it wanted and it was
>not a nice feeling.

It's happened to me a few times, but fortunately nothing that damaged
the car or had me stuck somewhere. I have a few vehicles and they're
all either AWD or 4WD, so that helps a lot in dealing with traction in
ice and snow at least.

On 2015-05-26 17:28, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>
>>
>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>
>>
> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
> don't.
>
> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>
I didn't say anything about the transportation there and back, only that
she doesn't have to stay while the repairs are being done. The mechanic
I use is about two miles from my house. I can always use the exercise,
so I walk or bicycle. I avoid dealerships for any work that is not
covered by warranty.

On 2015-05-26 18:55, wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>

>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>> don't.
>>
>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>
> On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
> neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
> for the cost of a taxi.
>
That is so true. I take vehicles to dealers only when they are under
warranty and only for things covered by the warranty. Even those trips
can involved rude surprises, which is why I don't buy any of the Big 3
NA car products. They treat their dealership as a license to steal.

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 5:52:48 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
> >>
> > That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house.
>
> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>
A hundred years ago when I had my Cadillac they had a shuttle service
in a stretch limo, no less!
>
> > Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
> >
> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>
> Jill

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
> >>
> >>
> >That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
> >don't.
> >
> >Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>
> On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
> neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
> for the cost of a taxi.
>
>
Yes, it was a SUBSTANTIAL savings for work to
be done at a neighborhood shop. But to go a mile
and one half was $6.50 and the return trip was
another $6.50.

I thought to myself I need to be running a
taxi service at those prices!

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:07:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> I trust dealerships about as far as I can throw them. However they do
> offer shuttle service, I can say that about them.
>
>
I've had no gripes about their work, just their price gouging
prices. An example: I was in for recall, free fix, but they
did do a bit of going over to check for other things. They
said I needed a new fuel filter and the price was $50; my local
garage did it for $10.

On Wed, 27 May 2015 07:52:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:43:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
says...
>>> I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
>>> be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
>>> was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
>>> were introduced?
>>>
>>> My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
>>> year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
>>> choice was chicken poop.
>>>
>>
>> My grandfather's hugely productive veg garden was fertilised entirely
>>by human waste from the bucket lav used by all the family. He dug a
>>hole, tipped the bucket, shovelled soil on top.
>
>'night soil'
>
>> My veg garden is fertilised entirely by home made compost (includes
>>sheep and horse manure) and seaweed.
>
>Sounds good.
>
>My soil here is very good nutrient-wise and it is basically old river
>bed soil, but high in clay.
>
>After some years of half-heartedly trying to fix the problem (gypsum
>did nothing), I've gotten serious this year. So far I've added six
>inches each of sheep, cow and poultry manures, same again with old
>sawdust and large bales of partly rotted sheep's fleece. Also added a
>few loads of seaweed I collected (I dumped it in the creek for a few
>weeks to wash the salt out first). Also three large bales of straw.
>And lots and lots of lime with each layer... all turned over with a
>cultivator.
>
>It's really starting to look good now and is already crawling with
>worms. Because of this I only have a small patch of broad beans and
>garlic in the main bed ATM, but this coming spring I will plant the
>whole area out.

The bales of straw will give you a headache. I did straw one year and
had field weeds for years and years after. You may not have used
enough gypsum. Did you turn it in? It should be effective for about
5+ years.
Janet US

On Tue, 26 May 2015 17:44:39 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:07:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>
>> I trust dealerships about as far as I can throw them. However they do
>> offer shuttle service, I can say that about them.
>>
>>
>I've had no gripes about their work, just their price gouging
>prices. An example: I was in for recall, free fix, but they
>did do a bit of going over to check for other things.

They're not at all shy about suggesting unnecessary or pointless
maintenance or repairs as well.

>They
>said I needed a new fuel filter and the price was $50; my local
>garage did it for $10.

They're the same everywhere it seems.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:09:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-05-26 18:55, wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>
>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>>> don't.
>>>
>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>
>> On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
>> neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
>> for the cost of a taxi.
>>
>That is so true. I take vehicles to dealers only when they are under
>warranty and only for things covered by the warranty. Even those trips
>can involved rude surprises, which is why I don't buy any of the Big 3
>NA car products. They treat their dealership as a license to steal.

From what I understand, dealerships these days make their money from
parts and servicing - not the actual car, due to strong competition.

So they gouge the living hell out of any sucker who takes their car
there for service or repairs.

I remember a few years ago when the timing belt was due on my Subaru
Forester, I did some research to find out what else I should replace
whilst I was at it. The local Subaru dealership wanted $1300 for the
parts, I bought the exact same parts online for $500 delivered.

On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 11:57:23 AM UTC-5, Cabrito del Bosque wrote:
> On 5/24/2015 4:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > I have noticed several people here mention California. We have had a
> > lot of stuff on tv about the lack of water there. We were shown the
> > huge reservoirs with very little water in them. They were showing how
> > people with lush grass and full swimming pools were being demonised.
> >
> > Is anyone here affected? It sounds very frightening!
> >
>
> The worst thing imaginable is IF this becomes part of the predicted
> megadrought in the Western US.
>
> http://www.fastcoexist.com/3044538/w...-a-megadrought
>
> 1. SAY GOODBYE TO THE LAWN
>
> 2. REDESIGN CITIES AS SPONGES
>
> 3. RETHINK THE ALMOND
>
> 4. FIX THE PIPES
>
> 5. SMARTER DESALINATION
>
>
> They'll need to move quickly on all of the above.
>
> And we'll all need to get used to buying more produce from Mexico.

And yet I'm certain that you continue to support and at least vote for the
Party of climate change denial. Should the poor should be allowed to thirst
while the rich water the lawns of their estates?

--Bryan

On 5/26/2015 2:37 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 5:52:48 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>
>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house.
>>
>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>
> A hundred years ago when I had my Cadillac they had a shuttle service
> in a stretch limo, no less!

A hundred years ago, a Cadillac was a cut above your average car. OTOH,
the Dodge dealership my dad goes to has a courtesy shuttle available.
It's no stretch limo though - just a mini-van but it's a whole lot
better than hoofing it.

>>
>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>
>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>
>> Jill
>

On 2015-05-26 20:44, wrote:

> I've had no gripes about their work, just their price gouging
> prices. An example: I was in for recall, free fix, but they
> did do a bit of going over to check for other things. They
> said I needed a new fuel filter and the price was $50; my local
> garage did it for $10.
>
My last Ford went in in a recall, came back running like crap. They said
it needed a tuneup, even though there was low mileage. Then they found a
cracked head casket.

A short time later the battery up and died. No problem they told me...
it's under warranty. FWIW.. it was 1988. It cost me $165. I could have
picked up a battery at Canadian Tire for $70. Service manager said it
would be a lower quality battery. Lower quality than the one that died
after 6 months?

They also charged me an hour for labour... and a battery can be change
din 10 minutes. The real kicker was the $46.95 test for the AVR test.
When I questioned that he told me it was the amperage voltage and
resistance test. Yes... I know that... why am I being charged and why
is it $46.95. He asked if I thought that had a meter that with a couple
clamps they attached?.... Yes... that it exactly how it is done.

I told them to watch me going out because they would never see me coming
back in. I didn't exactly keep that promise. A few years later I stopped
by and asked the manager to come out and see my new van.... a Mazda.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 18:51:13 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Wed, 27 May 2015 07:52:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:43:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
says...
>>>> I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
>>>> be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
>>>> was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
>>>> were introduced?
>>>>
>>>> My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
>>>> year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
>>>> choice was chicken poop.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My grandfather's hugely productive veg garden was fertilised entirely
>>>by human waste from the bucket lav used by all the family. He dug a
>>>hole, tipped the bucket, shovelled soil on top.
>>
>>'night soil'
>>
>>> My veg garden is fertilised entirely by home made compost (includes
>>>sheep and horse manure) and seaweed.
>>
>>Sounds good.
>>
>>My soil here is very good nutrient-wise and it is basically old river
>>bed soil, but high in clay.
>>
>>After some years of half-heartedly trying to fix the problem (gypsum
>>did nothing), I've gotten serious this year. So far I've added six
>>inches each of sheep, cow and poultry manures, same again with old
>>sawdust and large bales of partly rotted sheep's fleece. Also added a
>>few loads of seaweed I collected (I dumped it in the creek for a few
>>weeks to wash the salt out first). Also three large bales of straw.
>>And lots and lots of lime with each layer... all turned over with a
>>cultivator.
>>
>>It's really starting to look good now and is already crawling with
>>worms. Because of this I only have a small patch of broad beans and
>>garlic in the main bed ATM, but this coming spring I will plant the
>>whole area out.
>
>The bales of straw will give you a headache. I did straw one year and
>had field weeds for years and years after.

Ah-ha yes... you do need to be careful.
The bales of barley straw I use are weed free, this is the third year
I've bought them from the same place and so far no problems <fingers
crossed>.

>You may not have used
>enough gypsum. Did you turn it in? It should be effective for about
>5+ years.

As I found out far too late after digging in probably *30* bags...
Gypsum only works on some (but not all) types of clay. There is a
simple test to find out if your clay is suitable for gypsum, which
escapes me right now but found easily on a search.

On 2015-05-26 21:26, wrote:

>> That is so true. I take vehicles to dealers only when they are under
>> warranty and only for things covered by the warranty. Even those trips
>> can involved rude surprises, which is why I don't buy any of the Big 3
>> NA car products. They treat their dealership as a license to steal.
>
> From what I understand, dealerships these days make their money from
> parts and servicing - not the actual car, due to strong competition.
>
> So they gouge the living hell out of any sucker who takes their car
> there for service or repairs.\

>
> I remember a few years ago when the timing belt was due on my Subaru
> Forester, I did some research to find out what else I should replace
> whilst I was at it. The local Subaru dealership wanted $1300 for the
> parts, I bought the exact same parts online for $500 delivered.

I had a Ford Ranger with a diesel engine (1985). An oil filter was $35.
The Fuel fuel filter was $110. I had a mechanic rip out the fuel
filter and replaced it with a Racor filter. The filter cartridges were
$4.95.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 21:56:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-05-26 21:26, wrote:
>
>>> That is so true. I take vehicles to dealers only when they are under
>>> warranty and only for things covered by the warranty. Even those trips
>>> can involved rude surprises, which is why I don't buy any of the Big 3
>>> NA car products. They treat their dealership as a license to steal.
>>
>> From what I understand, dealerships these days make their money from
>> parts and servicing - not the actual car, due to strong competition.
>>
>> So they gouge the living hell out of any sucker who takes their car
>> there for service or repairs.\
>
>>
>> I remember a few years ago when the timing belt was due on my Subaru
>> Forester, I did some research to find out what else I should replace
>> whilst I was at it. The local Subaru dealership wanted $1300 for the
>> parts, I bought the exact same parts online for $500 delivered.
>
>I had a Ford Ranger with a diesel engine (1985). An oil filter was $35.
>The Fuel fuel filter was $110. I had a mechanic rip out the fuel
>filter and replaced it with a Racor filter. The filter cartridges were
>$4.95.

That's a good idea. I have two Toyota Hiluxes here that are diesel,
I'm lucky that they use commonly available and cheap filters.

OB Food: currently making cauliflower soup.
Dinner will be a lamb leg steak and salad with a Romano cheese & chive
dressing.

On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:54:13 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Tue, 26 May 2015 18:51:13 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 07:52:52 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 26 May 2015 20:43:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article >,
says...
>>>>> I guess a lot people need to visit farm equipment stores. They'd
>>>>> be amazed to see manure spreaders being sold. What do they think
>>>>> was the main fertilizer being used before all these chemical ones
>>>>> were introduced?
>>>>>
>>>>> My former next door had a lovely raised bed vegetable garden last
>>>>> year; that little plot was quite a producer! Her fertilizer of
>>>>> choice was chicken poop.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My grandfather's hugely productive veg garden was fertilised entirely
>>>>by human waste from the bucket lav used by all the family. He dug a
>>>>hole, tipped the bucket, shovelled soil on top.
>>>
>>>'night soil'
>>>
>>>> My veg garden is fertilised entirely by home made compost (includes
>>>>sheep and horse manure) and seaweed.
>>>
>>>Sounds good.
>>>
>>>My soil here is very good nutrient-wise and it is basically old river
>>>bed soil, but high in clay.
>>>
>>>After some years of half-heartedly trying to fix the problem (gypsum
>>>did nothing), I've gotten serious this year. So far I've added six
>>>inches each of sheep, cow and poultry manures, same again with old
>>>sawdust and large bales of partly rotted sheep's fleece. Also added a
>>>few loads of seaweed I collected (I dumped it in the creek for a few
>>>weeks to wash the salt out first). Also three large bales of straw.
>>>And lots and lots of lime with each layer... all turned over with a
>>>cultivator.
>>>
>>>It's really starting to look good now and is already crawling with
>>>worms. Because of this I only have a small patch of broad beans and
>>>garlic in the main bed ATM, but this coming spring I will plant the
>>>whole area out.
>>
>>The bales of straw will give you a headache. I did straw one year and
>>had field weeds for years and years after.
>
>Ah-ha yes... you do need to be careful.
>The bales of barley straw I use are weed free, this is the third year
>I've bought them from the same place and so far no problems <fingers
>crossed>.
>
>>You may not have used
>>enough gypsum. Did you turn it in? It should be effective for about
>>5+ years.
>
>As I found out far too late after digging in probably *30* bags...
>Gypsum only works on some (but not all) types of clay. There is a
>simple test to find out if your clay is suitable for gypsum, which
>escapes me right now but found easily on a search.

What a bummer! Gypsum was a life saver in my garden/yard when we
moved here. Over the years I have put a lot of organics in my
gardens. The soil just eats it up.
Have a good garden year. I still have to plant beans and corn seeds.
Tomorrow maybe.
Janet US

On Tue, 26 May 2015 17:41:50 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't provide transportation to and from your house. At least few I've dealt with
>> >don't.
>> >
>> >Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>
>> On the other hand, the money you would save by taking your car to a
>> neighbourhood garage instead of a dealership would probably compensate
>> for the cost of a taxi.
>>
>>
>Yes, it was a SUBSTANTIAL savings for work to
>be done at a neighborhood shop. But to go a mile
>and one half was $6.50 and the return trip was
>another $6.50.
>
>I thought to myself I need to be running a
>taxi service at those prices!

I haven't been in a taxi in years, so I'd be sure to be horrified at
the prices these days. I drove taxis for about a year, in a place
called Airlie Beach, which is basically a holiday destination for
younger people rather than families. It was a cruisy job and very good
pay. Awesome way to meet women too, as I discovered I used to go
home when it was quiet and listen to the scanner, when it got busy,
I'd go back out. There had never been an assault on any driver in the
history of the company. I would never in a million years drive a taxi
anywhere else though.

On 5/26/2015 5:16 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>
>
> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>
>

Maybe. I do use a shop within walking distance for some work. Warranty
would have to be done at a dealer 20 miles from me with no public
transportation.

On 5/26/2015 6:52 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>

Chevy dealer in town does. Drop off as early as 7 and get a ride to
work or home. Not sure it there is a distance limit.

On 5/26/2015 7:15 PM, Username wrote:


>>
>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>
>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>
>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.


Buy an Equus and they will come and get the car for you. Not sure if
they offer it for the Genesis.