On 2015-05-28 12:14 AM, dsi1 wrote:

> OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
> side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
> belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.


Wow. I am impressed. It is not everyone who can spot a car broken down
at the side of the road and know immediately that it has a broken timing
belt.

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 6:29:49 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-05-28 12:14 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
> > side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
> > belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.
>
>
> Wow. I am impressed. It is not everyone who can spot a car broken down
> at the side of the road and know immediately that it has a broken timing
> belt.

Thank you. :-)

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:18:05 AM UTC-4, BigC300 wrote:

> that's why it's called "The People's Republic Of California"! Only one
> of two United States who are commited Communists. Whoops, I forgot
> Detroit but they are bankrupt and still Communist.

Funny, last time I was in Detroit, it was still a city. And I don't
see how it's Communist, either, unless all cities are Communist.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:14:09 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
> OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
> side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
> belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.

As many of the Subaru engines have an interference design if the timing belt breaks the engine is destroyed. They can't be "fixed".

http://www.richardfisher.com

On 28/05/2015 11:18 AM, Helpful person wrote:
> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:14:09 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
>> side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
>> belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.
>
> As many of the Subaru engines have an interference design if the timing belt breaks the engine is destroyed. They can't be "fixed".
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com
>
Yet Consumer Reports puts them at the top of their list! Why, I don't
know because if you look at the CR records, after 4 or 5 years, there
are black dots in important areas.
Graham

On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:49:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:18:05 AM UTC-4, BigC300 wrote:
>
> > that's why it's called "The People's Republic Of California"! Only one
> > of two United States who are commited Communists. Whoops, I forgot
> > Detroit but they are bankrupt and still Communist.
>
> Funny, last time I was in Detroit, it was still a city. And I don't
> see how it's Communist, either, unless all cities are Communist.
>

All you need to do is look at Kansas to see how well republican ideas
in action are (not) doing.

--

sf

On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:49:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>Funny, last time I was in Detroit, it was still a city. And I don't
>see how it's Communist, either, unless all cities are Communist.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

do you think Detroit is a functional city? How can a city operate when
people refuse to pay their water bills? Is it your Consitutional Right
to receive free water from the city? I can guarantee you...it is
Communist and the United government has placed sanctions on the city
to curtail further irresponsible stupidity.

William

On 2015-05-28, William > wrote:

> I can guarantee you...it is Communist and the United government has

Chrystonacrutch! ....not another commie-under-every-bush whacko. I've
been listening to you Bircher boobs blather on for half a century.
Enough, already. 8|

nb

On 5/28/2015 7:18 AM, Helpful person wrote:
> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:14:09 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
>> side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
>> belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.
>
> As many of the Subaru engines have an interference design if the timing belt breaks the engine is destroyed. They can't be "fixed".
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com
>

It's untrue that a broken cam belt will destroy an engine. I suppose it
could happen - I suppose anything can happen. Most of the time, you just
replace bent valves.

At the time that I had my subaru, the engine was a non-interference
design. I could also tell you if your belt was gonna break because the
belt would de-laminate and make a most peculiar noise. I must be some
kind of damn genius!

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2015-05-28 12:14 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
> > side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
> > belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.
>
>
> Wow. I am impressed. It is not everyone who can spot a car broken down
> at the side of the road and know immediately that it has a broken timing
> belt.

Well, it must be a great relief to any driver who stopped because they
had chest pains.

Janet UK

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 8:39:08 AM UTC-10, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On 2015-05-28 12:14 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
> > > side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
> > > belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.
> >
> >
> > Wow. I am impressed. It is not everyone who can spot a car broken down
> > at the side of the road and know immediately that it has a broken timing
> > belt.
>
> Well, it must be a great relief to any driver who stopped because they
> had chest pains.
>
> Janet UK

The incredible depths of my perception allows me to tell the difference between some old geezer on the side of the road clutching his chest and a young person standing clueless next to a Subaru.

Broken timing belts were a problem with this car of that vintage so it's a pretty reasonable assumption. They had two timing belts which pretty much double your chances of breaking a belt. If you were lucky, you'd break the belt which didn't drive the distributor which would allow you to limp home on two cylinders.

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-4, BigC300 wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:49:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >Funny, last time I was in Detroit, it was still a city. And I don't
> >see how it's Communist, either, unless all cities are Communist.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> do you think Detroit is a functional city?

No, it isn't.

> How can a city operate when
> people refuse to pay their water bills? Is it your Consitutional Right
> to receive free water from the city?

People will try to get away with not paying their bills. It
happens everywhere. Detroit, sadly, is so screwed up that they
can get away with it. Nobody in the Detroit city government has
ever thought that people should get water for free. However, they
have been incompetent, and unpaid bills have mounted up to
ridiculous proportions. Where it might have been possible to
get $50/month from people, it's not possible to get $1000 from
someone who hasn't paid their bill in 20 months and is living
on welfare. I deplore people who don't pay their bills, but
it's really just people being people.

> I can guarantee you...it is
> Communist and the United government has placed sanctions on the city
> to curtail further irresponsible stupidity.

Here's the first definition I found when I googled:

Communism:
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

That doesn't apply to Detroit. The vast majority of it is privately
owned. Apart from city-employed workers, Detroiters work for private
companies just like in every other city, or they're on welfare which
is state and federal, not a city service.

"screwed up" does not equal "communist"

I feel sorry for the stupid Detroiters who voted those morons in
year after year. They certainly are responsible for the outcome,
even if they don't own up to it. But I still feel sorrow.

I was born in Detroit, and what the city has become is really sad.
Nobody has the political will to do what needs to be done; some of
it would be public relations suicide.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2015-05-28 1:18 PM, Helpful person wrote:
> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:14:09 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
>> side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
>> belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.
>
> As many of the Subaru engines have an interference design if the timing belt breaks the engine is destroyed. They can't be "fixed".
>
>


How could you dare to disagree with a guy who can tell you that a Subaru
broken down at the side of the road has a broken timing belt?

On 2015-05-28 1:48 PM, William wrote:

> do you think Detroit is a functional city? How can a city operate when
> people refuse to pay their water bills? Is it your Consitutional Right
> to receive free water from the city? I can guarantee you...it is
> Communist and the United government has placed sanctions on the city
> to curtail further irresponsible stupidity.
>

My son is fascinated with Detroit and thinks it would make the perfect
setting for a post apocalyptic city. There are wonderful buildings
downtown that sit empty and entire swaths of housing that have been
bulldozed. It ranks up there with Chernobyl.

On 2015-05-28 2:11 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> It's untrue that a broken cam belt will destroy an engine. I suppose it
> could happen - I suppose anything can happen. Most of the time, you just
> replace bent valves.
>
> At the time that I had my subaru, the engine was a non-interference
> design. I could also tell you if your belt was gonna break because the
> belt would de-laminate and make a most peculiar noise. I must be some
> kind of damn genius!


If only you could learn to keep your stories straight:
"OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive. "

On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:14:01 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 28 May 2015 21:14:10 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 28 May 2015 07:53:51 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 27 May 2015 22:24:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 5/27/2015 7:02 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"? I didn't know Australia
>>>>>> had a car brand.
>>>>>
>>>>> Australian Holdens.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>GM is going to stop making Holdens in Australia in2017.
>>>
>>>I am so surprised, never thought they would let that happen but maybe
>>>Holden got too casual ?
>>
>>I don't know what that could possibly mean. It was probably another
>>case of cheaper labour elsewhere.
>
>Meaning that when something is more or less a national symbol they get
>careless and don't feel the need to upgrade it and nurture it
>carefully and then bad things happen.

That was basically it. Both Holden and Ford insisted on building
large, rear wheel drive cars that nobody wanted any more, compounded
by poor build quality and cost cutting measures along the way that
made the cars less reliable than imports.

On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:14:05 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
>side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
>belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.

LOL, just so ridiculous, as always.

On Thu, 28 May 2015 12:29:48 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-05-28 12:14 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
>> side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
>> belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.
>
>
>Wow. I am impressed. It is not everyone who can spot a car broken down
>at the side of the road and know immediately that it has a broken timing
>belt.


Yet more of his special brand of logic

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 11:20:10 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-05-28 2:11 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > It's untrue that a broken cam belt will destroy an engine. I suppose it
> > could happen - I suppose anything can happen. Most of the time, you just
> > replace bent valves.
> >
> > At the time that I had my subaru, the engine was a non-interference
> > design. I could also tell you if your belt was gonna break because the
> > belt would de-laminate and make a most peculiar noise. I must be some
> > kind of damn genius!
>
>
> If only you could learn to keep your stories straight:
> "OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
> side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
> belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive. "

Well pardner, there's nobody here that's more of a straight shooter than I. Subaru have had a good reputation for reliability for a long time. That would be because people are stupid. They did have a problem with broken timing belts. I would see quite a few on the side of the road.

Subaru backwards is U R a Bus. That's so true and driving my Subaru was a real drag. These remarks are about the ones that had the engines with two timing belts. I believe they're better cars these days but I can't comment on that because I don't have much experience with one. I'm fairly sure that I'd dig a new WRX though. Who the hell wouldn't?

On Thu, 28 May 2015 11:40:22 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 28/05/2015 11:18 AM, Helpful person wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:14:09 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> OTOH, Subarus have always had good press but when I'd see them on the
>>> side of the road, I knew exactly what happened to them - broken timing
>>> belt. That's easy enough to fix. To bad they're a drag to drive.
>>
>> As many of the Subaru engines have an interference design if the timing belt breaks the engine is destroyed. They can't be "fixed".
>>
>> http://www.richardfisher.com
>>
>Yet Consumer Reports puts them at the top of their list!


I have a 2001 Forester GT, bought it second hand in 2009 (I think),
and it is more reliable than most other car-like vehicles around here.
Most of our roads are very punishing on vehicles of all types,
suspension is lucky to last 3 years on most cars here. Even so, mine
has held together fine, never had a breakdown of any type and it's
good on fuel, yet still has reasonable power. I've had a few other
Subarus in the past and IME I would say there a better and more
reliable vehicle than most.

>Why, I don't
>know because if you look at the CR records, after 4 or 5 years, there
>are black dots in important areas.

wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:46:38 -0400, Username >
> wrote:
>
>> Je?us wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>>> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>>>
>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"? I didn't know Australia
>> had a car brand.
> Australian Holdens.
>

Subsidiary of GM.

wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-5, Username wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> to go a mile
>>> and one half was $6.50 and the return trip was
>>> another $6.50.
>>>
>>> I thought to myself I need to be running a
>>> taxi service at those prices!
>>>
>> There's a minimum charge. The driver does have to travel to your location.
>>
>>
> Duh.
>
No. Webtv is "duh".

Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:46:38 -0400, Username >
> wrote:
>
>> Je?us wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>>> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>>>
>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"?
> Well, within the last 5 years?


I agree that 2010 and later Hyundais are fine cars. In their earlier
days they were less than stellar.
>
>> I didn't know Australia
>> had a car brand.
> Holden and Ford is all that's left in Aus, and both of those will
> thankfully be gone soon too.
>

Not Australian. US cars built in Australia.

On Thu, 28 May 2015 21:05:41 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 28 May 2015 20:03:31 -0400, Username >
>wrote:
>
wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:46:38 -0400, Username >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Je?us wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it fixed,
>>>>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports channel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is ready.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>>>>> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>>>>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>>>>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>>>>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>>>>>
>>>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"? I didn't know Australia
>>>> had a car brand.
>>> Australian Holdens.
>>>
>>
>>Subsidiary of GM.
>
>So I have now heard, so sad, too bad, as in death knell.

Chrysler died here circa 1980's from memory, their factory morphed
into Mitsubishi, which struggled for decades before finally closing
it's doors less than ten years ago (the cars were really crap anyway).

Toyota still have a factory here... for couple more years anyway, then
it too is gone.

On 5/28/2015 2:13 PM, Username wrote:
> Je�us wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:46:38 -0400, Username >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it
>>>>>>>>> fixed,
>>>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports
>>>>>>>>> channel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is
>>>>>>>> ready.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>>>> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>>>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>>>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>>>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>>>>
>>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"?
>> Well, within the last 5 years?
>
>
> I agree that 2010 and later Hyundais are fine cars. In their earlier
> days they were less than stellar.

I loved my 06 Hyundai Sonata. Comfortable, with 240 HP, ESC, a full set
of airbags, and looks that won't draw a lot of attention. Just my kind
of car. The sound system was the best I ever had. I could hear Jimi's
fingers on the strings when blasting "Hey Joe." What's not to love? The
car was assembled in Alabama, and they did an awesome job. In my awesome
opinion, Toyota is dead meat - well, maybe not but could be! :-)

>>
>>> I didn't know Australia
>>> had a car brand.
>> Holden and Ford is all that's left in Aus, and both of those will
>> thankfully be gone soon too.
>>
>
> Not Australian. US cars built in Australia.

On 5/28/2015 1:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


> My husband has a 2011 Hyundai and so far no problems with it. I think
> there might have been one recall but not sure. Then again, pretty much
> most late model cars will be recalled with the air bag thing.

Hyundai is not part of the airbag recall.

I've owned quite a few GM cars and every one had to go in for warranty
work in the first couple of months. Had a Mercedes and it was very
expensive to service for anything. Never had a Chrysler product, never
will.

I'm on my third Hyundai and none have needed any repairs at all.
Built in the USA with non union workers. The dealer has called me and
offered some good deals, but I like my car so much I'm keeping it a
whole longer. Probably will buy another though, really like the 2.0 turbo.

On 5/28/2015 8:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/28/2015 2:13 PM, Username wrote:
>> Je�us wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:46:38 -0400, Username >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Je?us wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it
>>>>>>>>>> fixed,
>>>>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
>>>>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports
>>>>>>>>>> channel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is
>>>>>>>>> ready.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
>>>>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
>>>>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taxis ain't cheap. :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Taxis aren't available everywhere, either.
>>>>>> Hyundai dealerships probably don't offer that service.
>>>>> I'm guessing that's supposed to be derogatory. There's nothing wrong
>>>>> with late model Hyundais, in fact they're a lot better designed and
>>>>> built than Australian or American built cars, for example.
>>>>>
>>>> I agree but how do *you* define "late model"?
>>> Well, within the last 5 years?
>>
>>
>> I agree that 2010 and later Hyundais are fine cars. In their earlier
>> days they were less than stellar.
>
> I loved my 06 Hyundai Sonata. Comfortable, with 240 HP, ESC, a full set
> of airbags, and looks that won't draw a lot of attention. Just my kind
> of car. The sound system was the best I ever had. I could hear Jimi's
> fingers on the strings when blasting "Hey Joe." What's not to love? The
> car was assembled in Alabama, and they did an awesome job. In my awesome
> opinion, Toyota is dead meat - well, maybe not but could be! :-)
>

06 was a major change for Hyundai. I used to laugh at people buying the
Excel. I bought an 07 Sonata Limited with the same engine as yours.

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 7:05:28 PM UTC-5, Username wrote:
>
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-5, Username wrote:
>
> >> wrote:
> >> There's a minimum charge. The driver does have to travel to your location.
> >>
> >>
> > Duh.
> >
> No. Webtv is "duh".
>
>
There is no WebTV dumbass. It's a fake address like
gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, etc.

That is your lesson for the day.

In article >,
says...

> there's nobody here that's more of a straight shooter than I.

Bryan and Kuthe will probably challenge you for that self-awarded
title.

Janet

On 2015-05-29 11:40 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> there's nobody here that's more of a straight shooter than I.
>
> Bryan and Kuthe will probably challenge you for that self-awarded
> title.
>

Bear in mind this is the guy who didn't like having to shift into 5th
gear all the time, the gear that most normal drivers use only when they
get up to highway speed. He figures cars are more efficient when driven
in the highest possible gear.... which helps to explain why so many auto
manufacturers are switching to 2 speed transmissions instead of 5.

"taxed and spent" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "gtr" > wrote in message
>> news:2015052711554471197-xxx@yyyzzz...
>>> On 2015-05-25 02:03:07 +0000, Paul M. Cook said:
>>>
>>>>> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we
>>>>> have tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity,
>>>>> I would say we need more storage.
>>>>
>>>> We're in a 100 year drought. No amount of planning would have helped.
>>>
>>> That's a pretty neat political conclusion.
>>>
>>> Nothing could have been done over 100 years to make better our current
>>> circumstance? I can see no reason why anything can every be done.
>>>
>>> Turn off the lights when you leave.
>>
>> Show me a repug who when asked if we should spend money on a 200 year
>> drought reservoir system that does not scream "SOCIALISM!!!!!" and we can
>> talk.
>>
>
> I think the real problem is the enviro wackos, and the fact that
> California is spending more than it receives on excessive salaries,
> benefits, and retirements (largely unfunded) to government workers,
> excessive pay to state contractors, and spending all sorts of money to pay
> people not to work. No funds left for infrastructure.

Isn't it always the massively powerful greenies? I mean they control the
whole state government.
>



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On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 5:53:58 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-05-29 11:40 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > the dude says...
> >
> >> there's nobody here that's more of a straight shooter than I.
> >
> > Bryan and Kuthe will probably challenge you for that self-awarded
> > title.
> >
>
> Bear in mind this is the guy who didn't like having to shift into 5th
> gear all the time, the gear that most normal drivers use only when they
> get up to highway speed. He figures cars are more efficient when driven
> in the highest possible gear.... which helps to explain why so many auto
> manufacturers are switching to 2 speed transmissions instead of 5.

I have already explained to you that I do that to get a little more MPG. You get the best MPG during high vacuum manifold pressure conditions. This implies driving with a very light throttle. This implies driving in the highest gear that's practical for the conditions. When I drove manual shift transmission I would, in fact, skip gears. With the VW with Tiptronic, I shift sequentially. Boy, you do so carry on but don't expect me to school you on elementary high miles per gallon driving techniques. As some posters would say "Get some help!" Hee hee.

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 4:19:11 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/28/2015 8:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On 5/28/2015 2:13 PM, Username wrote:
> >> Je�us wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 18:46:38 -0400, Username >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Je?us wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 19:15:23 -0400, Username >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 5/26/2015 5:28 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:16:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2015-05-26 1:24 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> The other thing I had against that was spending time getting it
> >>>>>>>>>> fixed,
> >>>>>>>>>> there's only me and I find it boring as hell sitting around in a
> >>>>>>>>>> waiting room, generally with blaring television on a sports
> >>>>>>>>>> channel
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You can always drop it off for repairs and go home until it is
> >>>>>>>>> ready.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That's true at most dealerships but a neighborhood garage doesn't
> >>>>>>>> provide transportation to and from your house.
> >>>>>>> I never knew a dealership that offered free transportation, either.

On 5/29/2015 5:40 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> there's nobody here that's more of a straight shooter than I.
>
> Bryan and Kuthe will probably challenge you for that self-awarded
> title.
>
> Janet
>
>
>

You would probably be correct in that regard, madam. No matter, I love a
challenge. :-)

On Thu, 28 May 2015 22:13:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 5/28/2015 1:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
>
>
> > My husband has a 2011 Hyundai and so far no problems with it. I think
> > there might have been one recall but not sure. Then again, pretty much
> > most late model cars will be recalled with the air bag thing.
>
> Hyundai is not part of the airbag recall.

Not YET. The web site clearly says to keep checking back because they
are adding to the list all the time. The airbag manufacturer can't
crank out airbags fast enough to satisfy the demand if everyone has
their airbags replaced at one time.
>
> I've owned quite a few GM cars and every one had to go in for warranty
> work in the first couple of months. Had a Mercedes and it was very
> expensive to service for anything. Never had a Chrysler product, never
> will.
>
> I'm on my third Hyundai and none have needed any repairs at all.
> Built in the USA with non union workers. The dealer has called me and
> offered some good deals, but I like my car so much I'm keeping it a
> whole longer. Probably will buy another though, really like the 2.0 turbo.


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On Fri, 29 May 2015 11:21:56 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "gtr" > wrote in message
> >> news:2015052711554471197-xxx@yyyzzz...
> >>> On 2015-05-25 02:03:07 +0000, Paul M. Cook said:
> >>>
> >>>>> since a four year drought is pretty common here in California, and we
> >>>>> have tripled our population without adding any more storage capacity,
> >>>>> I would say we need more storage.
> >>>>
> >>>> We're in a 100 year drought. No amount of planning would have helped.
> >>>
> >>> That's a pretty neat political conclusion.
> >>>
> >>> Nothing could have been done over 100 years to make better our current
> >>> circumstance? I can see no reason why anything can every be done.
> >>>
> >>> Turn off the lights when you leave.
> >>
> >> Show me a repug who when asked if we should spend money on a 200 year
> >> drought reservoir system that does not scream "SOCIALISM!!!!!" and we can
> >> talk.
> >>
> >
> > I think the real problem is the enviro wackos, and the fact that
> > California is spending more than it receives on excessive salaries,
> > benefits, and retirements (largely unfunded) to government workers,
> > excessive pay to state contractors, and spending all sorts of money to pay
> > people not to work. No funds left for infrastructure.
>
> Isn't it always the massively powerful greenies? I mean they control the
> whole state government.
> >
>
Paying people not to work at jobs that don't exist.

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On 29/05/2015 2:33 PM, sf wrote:
..
>>>
>>
> Paying people not to work at jobs that don't exist.
>
A bit like the feds paying farmers not to plant crops.

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On 2015-05-29 2:45 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> Bear in mind this is the guy who didn't like having to shift into
>> 5th gear all the time, the gear that most normal drivers use only
>> when they get up to highway speed. He figures cars are more
>> efficient when driven in the highest possible gear.... which helps
>> to explain why so many auto manufacturers are switching to 2 speed
>> transmissions instead of 5.
>
> I have already explained to you that I do that to get a little more
> MPG. You get the best MPG during high vacuum manifold pressure
> conditions. This implies driving with a very light throttle. This
> implies driving in the highest gear that's practical for the
> conditions.

Yes yes I know... but it was the 5th gear you were talking about being
some sort of major problem for you, and most drivers tend to do a lot of
shifting in lower gears, in the sort of traffic conditions you encounter
in cities. That should preclude 5th gear, which most cars only need at
higher, constant speeds. It is not the gear you be shifting in and out
of frequently in normal traffic.


> When I drove manual shift transmission I would, in fact,
> skip gears. With the VW with Tiptronic, I shift sequentially. Boy,
> you do so carry on but don't expect me to school you on elementary
> high miles per gallon driving techniques. As some posters would say
> "Get some help!" Hee hee.



Yeah... from the guy who can diagnose a broken timing belt on a car
sitting on the side of the road. You don't need to school me on driving
techniques. I have been driving standard transmissions for 50 years. I
learned to drive with a manual. I have worked as a driver examiner and
as an equipment instructor and had signing authority for driver
licencing. I have driven 3, 4 and 5 speed cars. I have been driving
motorcycles since I was 14. I drove trucks for more than 10 years,
dealing with axle splitters, various Roadranger transmissions and
several trucks with 4x5 dual stick transmissions. So I don't need to you
tell me about driving manual transmissions. You can try to blow smoke up
someone else's ass, but I think I have considerably more experience with
them than you do.

On 5/29/2015 12:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-05-29 2:45 PM, the dude wrote:
>
>>> Bear in mind this is the guy who didn't like having to shift into
>>> 5th gear all the time, the gear that most normal drivers use only
>>> when they get up to highway speed. He figures cars are more
>>> efficient when driven in the highest possible gear.... which helps
>>> to explain why so many auto manufacturers are switching to 2 speed
>>> transmissions instead of 5.
>>
>> I have already explained to you that I do that to get a little more
>> MPG. You get the best MPG during high vacuum manifold pressure
>> conditions. This implies driving with a very light throttle. This
>> implies driving in the highest gear that's practical for the
>> conditions.
>
> Yes yes I know... but it was the 5th gear you were talking about being
> some sort of major problem for you, and most drivers tend to do a lot of
> shifting in lower gears, in the sort of traffic conditions you encounter
> in cities. That should preclude 5th gear, which most cars only need at
> higher, constant speeds. It is not the gear you be shifting in and out
> of frequently in normal traffic.

I disagree about the 5th gear being so special that you can't use it but
everybody drives differently. Obviously, it's possible because I used to
shift into 5th frequently in town. It's hardly a fault of mine if you
don't know how and when to do this. I was also gentle on the clutch
i.e., I kept the clutch temperatures down by engaging it early on and
reducing slippage. It's just another advanced technique I used. Man, I'm
good!

>
>
>> When I drove manual shift transmission I would, in fact,
>> skip gears. With the VW with Tiptronic, I shift sequentially. Boy,
>> you do so carry on but don't expect me to school you on elementary
>> high miles per gallon driving techniques. As some posters would say
>> "Get some help!" Hee hee.
>
>
>
> Yeah... from the guy who can diagnose a broken timing belt on a car
> sitting on the side of the road. You don't need to school me on driving
> techniques. I have been driving standard transmissions for 50 years. I
> learned to drive with a manual. I have worked as a driver examiner and
> as an equipment instructor and had signing authority for driver
> licencing. I have driven 3, 4 and 5 speed cars. I have been driving
> motorcycles since I was 14. I drove trucks for more than 10 years,
> dealing with axle splitters, various Roadranger transmissions and
> several trucks with 4x5 dual stick transmissions. So I don't need to you
> tell me about driving manual transmissions. You can try to blow smoke up
> someone else's ass, but I think I have considerably more experience with
> them than you do.
>
>
>
>
>

On 2015-05-29 6:44 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> Yes yes I know... but it was the 5th gear you were talking about being
>> some sort of major problem for you, and most drivers tend to do a lot of
>> shifting in lower gears, in the sort of traffic conditions you encounter
>> in cities. That should preclude 5th gear, which most cars only need at
>> higher, constant speeds. It is not the gear you be shifting in and out
>> of frequently in normal traffic.
>
> I disagree about the 5th gear being so special that you can't use it but
> everybody drives differently. Obviously, it's possible because I used to
> shift into 5th frequently in town. It's hardly a fault of mine if you
> don't know how and when to do this. I was also gentle on the clutch
> i.e., I kept the clutch temperatures down by engaging it early on and
> reducing slippage. It's just another advanced technique I used. Man, I'm
> good!
>
Yep. You are a legend in your own mind.