where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
average 15% over last year.

GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.


--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
> average 15% over last year.
>
> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>
>
> --
>
> sf

I keep seeing articles saying these days it doesn't make sense to buy.
Yeah, right.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
> average 15% over last year.
>
> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>

There was something on the news here yesterday or the day before about $400
rent in Bellevue. This was for luxury 3 bedroom apartments! Here's the
story. Alas they were all taken immediately.

http://www.king5.com/story/news/loca...evue/28045801/

I only hope that they do keep these maintained and that they open more
places like this elsewhere. There is a real need!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
> average 15% over last year.
>
> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>
>

And I just saw this:

http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/...tm_source=SFFB

"taxed and spent" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>> average 15% over last year.
>>
>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> I keep seeing articles saying these days it doesn't make sense to buy.
> Yeah, right.

In many cases it doesn't, now. People who bought many years ago paid a heck
of a lot less! And the problem now is that jobs are not secure. You
wouldn't want to buy a house only to have to move out of state the next year
because you lost your job and couldn't find another locally.

On Fri, 29 May 2015 21:43:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
> > the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
> > is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
> > average 15% over last year.
> >
> > GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
> >
> >
>
> And I just saw this:
>
> http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/...tm_source=SFFB


Yikes!

--

sf

On Fri, 29 May 2015 22:19:05 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
> >> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
> >> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
> >> average 15% over last year.
> >>
> >> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I keep seeing articles saying these days it doesn't make sense to buy.
> > Yeah, right.
>
> In many cases it doesn't, now. People who bought many years ago paid a heck
> of a lot less! And the problem now is that jobs are not secure. You
> wouldn't want to buy a house only to have to move out of state the next year
> because you lost your job and couldn't find another locally.

If he bothered to read the article, job insecurity is one of the main
reasons why more people are renting.

--

sf

On Fri, 29 May 2015 21:43:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>> average 15% over last year.
>>
>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>
>>
>
>And I just saw this:
>
>http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/...tm_source=SFFB

And yet there were an estimated 18.5 million vacant homes back around
2011.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 29 May 2015 21:43:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>>> average 15% over last year.
>>>
>>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>And I just saw this:
>>
>>http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/...tm_source=SFFB
>
> And yet there were an estimated 18.5 million vacant homes back around
> 2011.

I have no clue where you got that information from. Homes can be vacant for
many reasons. Perhaps they are unsafe. Like full of black mold or
something. Sometimes the seller is asking for too much money. They might
be located in a high crime area so people don't want to live there. Or in
the case of some cities/towns here, have no jobs in the area. Not even
anything available for a reasonable commute.

Your statement reminds me of a stupid argument that I had with my husband
when we lived on Cape Cod and I was unable to find a good job. He drove me
around pointing to businesses. His theory was that if there was a business,
there would have to be jobs. The problem with that was that the majority of
those businesses were little tiny places run by the owner, with no
employees.

On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 1:23:51 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 29 May 2015 21:43:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
> > > the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
> > > is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
> > > average 15% over last year.
> > >
> > > GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > And I just saw this:
> >
> > http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/...tm_source=SFFB
>
>
> Yikes!
>

Shrug. In the flyover states, two minimum-wage jobs would do it.
When I was young and poor, I always had a roommate. And
scrupulously used birth control, because I knew I couldn't
afford to have a kid.

Cindy Hamilton

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 29 May 2015 22:19:05 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "taxed and spent" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "sf" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>> >> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>> >> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>> >> average 15% over last year.
>> >>
>> >> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I keep seeing articles saying these days it doesn't make sense to buy.
>> > Yeah, right.
>>
>> In many cases it doesn't, now. People who bought many years ago paid a
>> heck
>> of a lot less! And the problem now is that jobs are not secure. You
>> wouldn't want to buy a house only to have to move out of state the next
>> year
>> because you lost your job and couldn't find another locally.
>
> If he bothered to read the article, job insecurity is one of the main
> reasons why more people are renting.
>

what article?

And job insecurity as a reason for renting not buying is a different topic
than the economics.

On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:38:42 -0700, sf > wrote:

>where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>average 15% over last year.
>
>GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>

Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.

On Sat, 30 May 2015 16:21:46 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 29 May 2015 21:43:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>>> average 15% over last year.
>>>
>>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>And I just saw this:
>>
>>http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/...tm_source=SFFB
>
>And yet there were an estimated 18.5 million vacant homes back around
>2011.

Many were either abandoned or foreclosed. The banks did not have the
infrastructure to deal with all that was happening. I know of woman
living in the house that she bought with her boyfriend that since
split. She has not paid taxes or mortgage for over two years, but the
bank it not kicking her out for another few months.

On 5/30/2015 8:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Many were either abandoned or foreclosed. The banks did not have the
> infrastructure to deal with all that was happening. I know of woman
> living in the house that she bought with her boyfriend that since
> split. She has not paid taxes or mortgage for over two years, but the
> bank it not kicking her out for another few months.

It's to their advantage to have someone living there. There's
a reason insurance premiums on an empty house are through
the roof.

Luckily for me, we didn't have a bunch of abandoned houses here
after 2008, some towns were hit hard.

nancy

On Sat, 30 May 2015 02:05:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I have no clue where you got that information from. Homes can be vacant for
> many reasons. Perhaps they are unsafe. Like full of black mold or
> something. Sometimes the seller is asking for too much money. They might
> be located in a high crime area so people don't want to live there. Or in
> the case of some cities/towns here, have no jobs in the area. Not even
> anything available for a reasonable commute.

They can be foreclosed homes and the bank isn't in any hurry to sell.
The owner can be in a home of some sort and the heirs want to wait
until they die to sell the house, due to high capital gains taxes. A
lot of the country is still recovering from the housing bust (look no
farther than where Jill lives to understand that). Entire bedroom
communities were bulldozed in fly over country a few years ago.

--

sf

On Sat, 30 May 2015 07:54:47 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:38:42 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
> >the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
> >is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
> >average 15% over last year.
> >
> >GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
> >
>
> Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
> decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.

Prices like that can only exist if they are supported by commensurate
wages. It's one of many reasons why the ordinary worker doesn't get
rich living here even though they're making the kind of salary that
can afford a $4000 apartment.

--

sf

Sf, where are the "entire bedroom communities" in flyover country bulldozed a few years ago?
Certainly nowhere around here that I know of....so I am just curious. I didn't see any articles
on activities like that close to Omaha, Chicago, St. Louis...i might not have been paying
attention.

N.

On Sat, 30 May 2015 10:01:13 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

> Sf, where are the "entire bedroom communities" in flyover country bulldozed a few years ago?
> Certainly nowhere around here that I know of....so I am just curious. I didn't see any articles
> on activities like that close to Omaha, Chicago, St. Louis...i might not have been paying
> attention.
>
What I'm thinking about was unsold new housing, the kind that pops up
after some farmer sells his property. Hubby read about it in the
middle of the bust and I thought he said it was some place like
Nebraska. I googled and quit looking when I found what happened in
Southern Calif around LA.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may...s/fi-demolish5
http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/20...n-empty-homes/


--

sf

On Sat, 30 May 2015 02:05:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Fri, 29 May 2015 21:43:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"sf" > wrote in message
...
>>>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>>>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>>>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>>>> average 15% over last year.
>>>>
>>>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>And I just saw this:
>>>
>>>http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/...tm_source=SFFB
>>
>> And yet there were an estimated 18.5 million vacant homes back around
>> 2011.
>
>I have no clue where you got that information from. Homes can be vacant for
>many reasons. Perhaps they are unsafe. Like full of black mold or
>something. Sometimes the seller is asking for too much money. They might
>be located in a high crime area so people don't want to live there. Or in
>the case of some cities/towns here, have no jobs in the area. Not even
>anything available for a reasonable commute.

That wasn't really the point, but okay.

>Your statement reminds me of a stupid argument that I had with my husband
>when we lived on Cape Cod and I was unable to find a good job. He drove me
>around pointing to businesses. His theory was that if there was a business,
>there would have to be jobs. The problem with that was that the majority of
>those businesses were little tiny places run by the owner, with no
>employees.

Yes, that would be the case with most small businesses.

On Sat, 30 May 2015 12:52:05 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 30 May 2015 10:01:13 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:
>
>> Sf, where are the "entire bedroom communities" in flyover country bulldozed a few years ago?
>> Certainly nowhere around here that I know of....so I am just curious. I didn't see any articles
>> on activities like that close to Omaha, Chicago, St. Louis...i might not have been paying
>> attention.
>>
>What I'm thinking about was unsold new housing, the kind that pops up
>after some farmer sells his property. Hubby read about it in the
>middle of the bust and I thought he said it was some place like
>Nebraska. I googled and quit looking when I found what happened in
>Southern Calif around LA.
>http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may...s/fi-demolish5
>http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/20...n-empty-homes/

It also happened in the late 80s in Colorado I think.
Janet US

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:38:42 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>>the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>>is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>>average 15% over last year.
>>
>>GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>
>
> Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
> decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.

You'd have to earn a lot more than that to buy even a small starter house in
this area. And one thing that people don't take into consideration is
upkeep. I tried to tell my husband of this but he didn't believe me. He
actually thought we would call the mortgage company when something needed
fixed. Thought they would handle it! I think part of the problem was that
his dad just let things go. I don't know if he was always this way but in
the years that I knew him, if something broke, it mostly just stayed broken
and...oh well!

I grew up in a house where things were replaced before they broke. Of
course there were occasions where things did break. You can't always tell
when something is starting to go bad. But my parents tried to stay on top
of things.

I was shocked the other day. There is a house behind us that has had an
assortment of people living in it since we moved in. Changed owners several
times and often was used as a rental. Not sure who is living in there now.
For a long time, the gutters were literally hanging off the front of the
house. I was relieved to see that repaired last summer. But the other day
it was very sunny out and I saw the roof shining. I had to go closer to
look at it. It was a white roof, three tab shingles like mine. But so much
of the roofing material had worn off in spots that whatever is under those
little pebble looking things is now showing through.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 30 May 2015 16:21:46 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 May 2015 21:43:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"sf" > wrote in message
...
>>>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>>>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>>>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>>>> average 15% over last year.
>>>>
>>>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>And I just saw this:
>>>
>>>http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/...tm_source=SFFB
>>
>>And yet there were an estimated 18.5 million vacant homes back around
>>2011.
>
> Many were either abandoned or foreclosed. The banks did not have the
> infrastructure to deal with all that was happening. I know of woman
> living in the house that she bought with her boyfriend that since
> split. She has not paid taxes or mortgage for over two years, but the
> bank it not kicking her out for another few months.

The guy who owned the house next door to me had not made payments for a
couple of years. He waited until the bank literally kicked him out. Then
he illegally removed the fancy door he had installed and sold it and
probably some other things to get a plane ticket to Sweden where he now
lives.

Julie Bove wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>sf wrote:
>>
>>>where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>>>the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>>>is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>>>average 15% over last year.
>>>
>>>GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>>
>>
>> Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
>> decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.
>
>You'd have to earn a lot more than that to buy even a small starter house in
>this area.

Most people don't exert much effort into real estate hunting... where
I live if one put in the effort there are very nice homes on large
properties, just have to be ready to move fast, found this listing
yesterday near where I have acreage, an excellent location:
http://peakrealtyny.idxbroker.com/id.../56-PANTING-RD

In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
> Subject: referring back to a previous sub- thread that went OT
> From: Brooklyn1 >
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>
> Julie Bove wrote:
> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>sf wrote:
> >>
> >>>where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
> >>>the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
> >>>is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
> >>>average 15% over last year.
> >>>
> >>>GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
> >> decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.
> >
> >You'd have to earn a lot more than that to buy even a small starter house in
> >this area.
>
> Most people don't exert much effort into real estate hunting... where
> I live if one put in the effort there are very nice homes on large
> properties, just have to be ready to move fast, found this listing
> yesterday near where I have acreage, an excellent location:
> http://peakrealtyny.idxbroker.com/id.../56-PANTING-RD
>

LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html

Janet UK

On 5/31/2015 8:52 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
>> Subject: referring back to a previous sub- thread that went OT
>> From: Brooklyn1 >
>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>>>>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>>>>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>>>>> average 15% over last year.
>>>>>
>>>>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
>>>> decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.
>>>
>>> You'd have to earn a lot more than that to buy even a small starter house in
>>> this area.
>>
>> Most people don't exert much effort into real estate hunting... where
>> I live if one put in the effort there are very nice homes on large
>> properties, just have to be ready to move fast, found this listing
>> yesterday near where I have acreage, an excellent location:
>> http://peakrealtyny.idxbroker.com/id.../56-PANTING-RD
>>
>
> LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here
>
> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html
>
> Janet UK
>
I like that little bungalow much better!

I looked at the pics of the house Sheldon posted... is that little space
just off the staircase supposed to be the dining room? There's barely
room for that small table with four chairs. No way would my dining
table fit in that space.

Jill

On 5/31/2015 8:52 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...

>> Most people don't exert much effort into real estate hunting... where
>> I live if one put in the effort there are very nice homes on large
>> properties, just have to be ready to move fast, found this listing
>> yesterday near where I have acreage, an excellent location:
>> http://peakrealtyny.idxbroker.com/id.../56-PANTING-RD
>>
>
> LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here
>
> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html

You wouldn't get anything in my town for that price, but then I get
the allure of having 24 acres of property, in a place with a lower
cost of living.

nancy

In article >,
says...
>
> On 5/31/2015 8:52 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, gravesend10
> > @verizon.net says...
> >> Subject: referring back to a previous sub- thread that went OT
> >> From: Brooklyn1 >
> >> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >>
> >> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> sf wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
> >>>>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
> >>>>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
> >>>>> average 15% over last year.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
> >>>> decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.
> >>>
> >>> You'd have to earn a lot more than that to buy even a small starter house in
> >>> this area.
> >>
> >> Most people don't exert much effort into real estate hunting... where
> >> I live if one put in the effort there are very nice homes on large
> >> properties, just have to be ready to move fast, found this listing
> >> yesterday near where I have acreage, an excellent location:
> >> http://peakrealtyny.idxbroker.com/id.../56-PANTING-RD
> >>
> >
> > LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here
> >
> > http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> I like that little bungalow much better!

> I looked at the pics of the house Sheldon posted... is that little space
> just off the staircase supposed to be the dining room? There's barely
> room for that small table with four chairs. No way would my dining
> table fit in that space.

I thought its downstairs sitting rooms were a bit poky and odd
proportions but it had great space outside.

Janet

On Sun, 31 May 2015 09:56:44 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 5/31/2015 8:52 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, gravesend10
> > @verizon.net says...
> >> Subject: referring back to a previous sub- thread that went OT
> >> From: Brooklyn1 >
> >> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >>
> >> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> sf wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
> >>>>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
> >>>>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
> >>>>> average 15% over last year.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
> >>>> decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.
> >>>
> >>> You'd have to earn a lot more than that to buy even a small starter house in
> >>> this area.
> >>
> >> Most people don't exert much effort into real estate hunting... where
> >> I live if one put in the effort there are very nice homes on large
> >> properties, just have to be ready to move fast, found this listing
> >> yesterday near where I have acreage, an excellent location:
> >> http://peakrealtyny.idxbroker.com/id.../56-PANTING-RD
> >>
> >
> > LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here
> >
> > http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> I like that little bungalow much better!
>
> I looked at the pics of the house Sheldon posted... is that little space
> just off the staircase supposed to be the dining room? There's barely
> room for that small table with four chairs. No way would my dining
> table fit in that space.
>

That entire house Sheldon posted needs remodeling and it will cost at
least $100,000 if it's done right.

Zillow has two properties listed between $250-300,000 here

1 bed 1 bath 676 sq ft (which will go for more in a bidding war)
http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale...18_rect/11_zm/

1,520 sq ft lot
http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale...46_rect/10_zm/

--

sf

On Sun, 31 May 2015 17:47:52 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> I thought its downstairs sitting rooms were a bit poky and odd
> proportions

That's why people gut and remodel.

> but it had great space outside.

Something that isn't taken into consideration as often as it should
be.

--

sf

On Sun, 31 May 2015 13:52:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, gravesend10
says...
>> Subject: referring back to a previous sub- thread that went OT
>> From: Brooklyn1 >
>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>sf wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>> >>>the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>> >>>is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>> >>>average 15% over last year.
>> >>>
>> >>>GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
>> >> decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.
>> >
>> >You'd have to earn a lot more than that to buy even a small starter house in
>> >this area.
>>
>> Most people don't exert much effort into real estate hunting... where
>> I live if one put in the effort there are very nice homes on large
>> properties, just have to be ready to move fast, found this listing
>> yesterday near where I have acreage, an excellent location:
>> http://peakrealtyny.idxbroker.com/id.../56-PANTING-RD

That's a very strange design IMO, all that extra trouble and cost with
the way the upstairs and roof is... at the same time makes very poor
use of space. Property is so cheap in the U.S compared to Aus though,
you wouldn't find a property like that here for that price.

> LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here
>
> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html

Also in many parts of Aus too.

On 5/31/2015 6:27 PM, wrote:

> use of space. Property is so cheap in the U.S compared to Aus though,
> you wouldn't find a property like that here for that price.

Real estate prices vary wildly depending on the location,
you can't look at one listing and compare it to Australia's
prices. That amount of land would go for millions in some
places in the US.

I'm sure it's the same in Australia, some areas are more
expensive than others.

nancy

On 5/31/2015 3:05 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 31 May 2015 09:56:44 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/31/2015 8:52 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>> Subject: referring back to a previous sub- thread that went OT
>>>> From: Brooklyn1 >
>>>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>>>
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>>>>>>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>>>>>>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>>>>>>> average 15% over last year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
>>>>>> decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd have to earn a lot more than that to buy even a small starter house in
>>>>> this area.
>>>>
>>>> Most people don't exert much effort into real estate hunting... where
>>>> I live if one put in the effort there are very nice homes on large
>>>> properties, just have to be ready to move fast, found this listing
>>>> yesterday near where I have acreage, an excellent location:
>>>> http://peakrealtyny.idxbroker.com/id.../56-PANTING-RD
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here
>>>
>>> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> I like that little bungalow much better!
>>
>> I looked at the pics of the house Sheldon posted... is that little space
>> just off the staircase supposed to be the dining room? There's barely
>> room for that small table with four chairs. No way would my dining
>> table fit in that space.
>>
>
> That entire house Sheldon posted needs remodeling and it will cost at
> least $100,000 if it's done right.
>
At the very least! It's obviously an old farmhouse, circa who knows
when in the last century. Chopped up rooms, although they did do a bit
of remodeling. The kitchen is nice.

Personally I don't like bedrooms on top floors (basically converted
attics) which have slanted ceilings. I'm only 5'3" but I'd still feel
like I had to duck walking around in my bedroom. My grandparents had a
with two bedrooms like that in Ohio.

> Zillow has two properties listed between $250-300,000 here
>
> 1 bed 1 bath 676 sq ft (which will go for more in a bidding war)
> http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale...18_rect/11_zm/
>
Yep, there's quite a difference in the housing market from place to
place (and country to country).

Good use of space in that loft-type apartment. Good lighting, too. I
do like the galley style kitchen. Of the kitchens I've lived with
believe galley to be the most efficient.

Jill

On Sun, 31 May 2015 22:47:32 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> Of the kitchens I've lived with
> believe galley to be the most efficient.

I like a galley kitchen too. It's an excellent workspace. Don't plan
on entertaining in it, but if you had a good sized pantry at the
closed end, you wouldn't need to if it was an open kitchen with
seating on the side of the counter that abuts the entertainment area.

--

sf

On Sun, 31 May 2015 22:47:32 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/31/2015 3:05 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 May 2015 09:56:44 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/31/2015 8:52 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, gravesend10
>>>> @verizon.net says...
>>>>> Subject: referring back to a previous sub- thread that went OT
>>>>> From: Brooklyn1 >
>>>>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> where I mentioned that median rents in SF were around $3500. Here's
>>>>>>>> the latest: A new study by Zillow shows San Francisco's median rent
>>>>>>>> is now $4,225 a month and rents throughout the Bay Area are up an
>>>>>>>> average 15% over last year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GAG! I'm glad I own my own home and don't need to deal with that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wages must be very good in that area. In many places people buy a
>>>>>>> decent house and don't even earn $4225 a month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'd have to earn a lot more than that to buy even a small starter house in
>>>>>> this area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most people don't exert much effort into real estate hunting... where
>>>>> I live if one put in the effort there are very nice homes on large
>>>>> properties, just have to be ready to move fast, found this listing
>>>>> yesterday near where I have acreage, an excellent location:
>>>>> http://peakrealtyny.idxbroker.com/id.../56-PANTING-RD
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>> I like that little bungalow much better!
>>>
>>> I looked at the pics of the house Sheldon posted... is that little space
>>> just off the staircase supposed to be the dining room? There's barely
>>> room for that small table with four chairs. No way would my dining
>>> table fit in that space.
>>>
>>
>> That entire house Sheldon posted needs remodeling and it will cost at
>> least $100,000 if it's done right.

What yoose idjits know about real estate wouldn't fill a thimble.
That's a gorgeous contemporary built in 1986... needs no remodeling...
about all I can see it needs if one chooses is central air, least it's
not in the listing, but then most people living in the high hill
country don't have A/C, summer nights are cool.
http://www.realtyusa.com/property/56...yNY/201509721/
That's a perfect rural location in western Albany County's very scenic
hill country, an easy 23 mile drive into downtown Albany, 10 miles to
Altamont, a beautiful town that has everything one could want.

-Single Family Home
Township: Berne
Price: $298,800
Status: Active
Bedrooms: 3
Bathrooms: 3
Square Feet: 2,682
Taxes: $6,736
# Fireplaces: 1
Year Built: 1986
Garage Size: 1
MLS Number: 201509721
-Features
School district: Berne-Knox
Family Room
Washer
Dryer
Range/Oven
Microwave oven
Dishwasher
Refrigerator
Water softener
Baseboard heat
Hot water heat
Zoned heat
Oil heat
Wood heat
Attached parking
Automatic garage door opener
Off street parking
Garage spaces: 1
Cedar exterior
Porch
Deck
Satellite dish
Above ground pool
Lot has pond
Out building(s)
Lot size: 24
Lot has barn or stable
Wooded lot
Vaulted ceilings
Ceramic tile flooring
Dining area
Eat-in kitchen
Wood floors
Skylight
Walk-in closet(s)
Asphalt shingle roof
Full basement
Septic system
Property style: Contemporary

On Sun, 31 May 2015 13:52:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here
>
> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html
>
> Janet UK

A fellow from England I was working with a few years ago made an
interesting observation of America compared to England. He could not
believe the wide open spaces in America. He said all the space in
England is occupied by 400 year old structures. So, do you tear down
any old houses to build modern style houses?

William

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sun, 31 May 2015 13:52:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here
> >
> > http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> A fellow from England I was working with a few years ago made an
> interesting observation of America compared to England. He could not
> believe the wide open spaces in America. He said all the space in
> England is occupied by 400 year old structures.

That last sentence is complete rubbish. Despite industrialisation,
population growth and the massive expansion of urban areas, most of the
British landmass is rural.

https://environmentalgeography.files.../02/landscape-
england-1920x1200.jpg

>So, do you tear down
> any old houses to build modern style houses?

Of course.

400 yr old houses are more often preserved for heritage reasons.

We do tear down much later structures which have outlived their
usefulness, almost always badly designed urban buildings dating from the
past century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Ejs9THGxY

Janet UK

On 6/1/2015 9:47 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 31 May 2015 22:47:32 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>>>>> yesterday near where I have acreage, an excellent location:
>>>>>> http://peakrealtyny.idxbroker.com/id.../56-PANTING-RD
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL. Here's all you'd get for that price here
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-31893438.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet UK
>>>>>
>>>> I like that little bungalow much better!
>>>>
>>>> I looked at the pics of the house Sheldon posted... is that little space
>>>> just off the staircase supposed to be the dining room? There's barely
>>>> room for that small table with four chairs. No way would my dining
>>>> table fit in that space.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That entire house Sheldon posted needs remodeling and it will cost at
>>> least $100,000 if it's done right.
>
> What yoose idjits know about real estate wouldn't fill a thimble.

Why do 'yoose' think we all want to live in upstate NY?!

I don't need to know much about real estate to know I wouldn't even
consider buying that house. Can't fit the dining room table & chairs so
that's an immediate *bzzzzt.* Have to duck in the upstairs bedrooms
with slanted ceilings? No thanks. I also wouldn't want to have to deal
with a barn and outbuildings. I don't own livestock and never plan to.

Jill

On Sun, 31 May 2015 22:18:47 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
wrote:

>On 5/31/2015 6:27 PM, wrote:
>
>> use of space. Property is so cheap in the U.S compared to Aus though,
>> you wouldn't find a property like that here for that price.
>
>Real estate prices vary wildly depending on the location,
>you can't look at one listing and compare it to Australia's
>prices. That amount of land would go for millions in some
>places in the US.

I realise that, and it also applies to Australia, much like anywhere
else of course. I live in an area that has amongst the cheapest real
estate in Australia, and yet that rural property in the posted link
would be regarded as being something of a bargain here.

Places like Sydney have amongst the highest prices in the world. My
Grandmother's very ordinary bungalow in Sydney's western suburbs is
now worth close to AUD$900000, which blows my mind considering what it
was worth 20 or 30 years ago.

>I'm sure it's the same in Australia, some areas are more
>expensive than others.

For sure.

On 01/06/2015 6:17 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 31 May 2015 22:18:47 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/31/2015 6:27 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> use of space. Property is so cheap in the U.S compared to Aus though,
>>> you wouldn't find a property like that here for that price.
>>
>> Real estate prices vary wildly depending on the location,
>> you can't look at one listing and compare it to Australia's
>> prices. That amount of land would go for millions in some
>> places in the US.
>
> I realise that, and it also applies to Australia, much like anywhere
> else of course. I live in an area that has amongst the cheapest real
> estate in Australia, and yet that rural property in the posted link
> would be regarded as being something of a bargain here.
>
> Places like Sydney have amongst the highest prices in the world. My
> Grandmother's very ordinary bungalow in Sydney's western suburbs is
> now worth close to AUD$900000, which blows my mind considering what it
> was worth 20 or 30 years ago.
>
>> I'm sure it's the same in Australia, some areas are more
>> expensive than others.
>
I sold my house in Dalkeith (Perth) in 1975 for about $50k. Last year it
sold for $3.4million. It's on the market again, presumably they couldn't
really afford it.
Graham

--

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 18:40:59 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 01/06/2015 6:17 PM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 May 2015 22:18:47 -0400, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/31/2015 6:27 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> use of space. Property is so cheap in the U.S compared to Aus though,
>>>> you wouldn't find a property like that here for that price.
>>>
>>> Real estate prices vary wildly depending on the location,
>>> you can't look at one listing and compare it to Australia's
>>> prices. That amount of land would go for millions in some
>>> places in the US.
>>
>> I realise that, and it also applies to Australia, much like anywhere
>> else of course. I live in an area that has amongst the cheapest real
>> estate in Australia, and yet that rural property in the posted link
>> would be regarded as being something of a bargain here.
>>
>> Places like Sydney have amongst the highest prices in the world. My
>> Grandmother's very ordinary bungalow in Sydney's western suburbs is
>> now worth close to AUD$900000, which blows my mind considering what it
>> was worth 20 or 30 years ago.
>>
>>> I'm sure it's the same in Australia, some areas are more
>>> expensive than others.
>>
>I sold my house in Dalkeith (Perth) in 1975 for about $50k. Last year it
>sold for $3.4million. It's on the market again, presumably they couldn't
>really afford it.

$50K was a lot of money back then, as borne out by it's current value.

We have a segment of property euphemistically referred to as
'McMansions'. These houses are typically built in newer suburbs, and
are massively oversized houses whose only purpose seems to be as
status symbols. Most owners are in considerable debt because of them.
I can't think of a less desirable type of home, really. Well, apart
from homes falling down...