I bought this at a community yard sale for .50 cents. I don't know
what this is, do you? It's made in Holland and it's all copper with a
porcelain handle.The inside bottom is convex, the pan itself is 7
inches long by 5 1/2 inches wide.
I'm cleaning it up, and man, does it ever need cleaning, it's going to
take a while to get it looking good.
I doubt I'll use it if I ever find out what it is, but I think it will
make the cutest kitchen decoration.

Link to photos of the pan
https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/PU088b

koko

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Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

"koko" > wrote in message
...
>
> I bought this at a community yard sale for .50 cents. I don't know
> what this is, do you? It's made in Holland and it's all copper with a
> porcelain handle.The inside bottom is convex, the pan itself is 7
> inches long by 5 1/2 inches wide.
> I'm cleaning it up, and man, does it ever need cleaning, it's going to
> take a while to get it looking good.
> I doubt I'll use it if I ever find out what it is, but I think it will
> make the cutest kitchen decoration.
>
> Link to photos of the pan
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/PU088b

Bruce might know, he is Dutch.

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On 6/7/2015 2:59 PM, koko wrote:
>
> I bought this at a community yard sale for .50 cents. I don't know
> what this is, do you? It's made in Holland and it's all copper with a
> porcelain handle.The inside bottom is convex, the pan itself is 7
> inches long by 5 1/2 inches wide.
> I'm cleaning it up, and man, does it ever need cleaning, it's going to
> take a while to get it looking good.
> I doubt I'll use it if I ever find out what it is, but I think it will
> make the cutest kitchen decoration.
>
> Link to photos of the pan
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/PU088b
>
> koko
>
> --
>
> Food is our common ground, a universal experience
> James Beard
>
Maybe an au gratin pan?

Cool looking no mater what it is, someone gave that away to you.

http://www.falkusa.com/falk-copper-c...au-gratin-pans

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 15:11:42 -0600, La Mirada > wrote:


>On 6/7/2015 2:59 PM, koko wrote:
>>
>> I bought this at a community yard sale for .50 cents. I don't know
>> what this is, do you? It's made in Holland and it's all copper with a
>> porcelain handle.The inside bottom is convex, the pan itself is 7
>> inches long by 5 1/2 inches wide.
>> I'm cleaning it up, and man, does it ever need cleaning, it's going to
>> take a while to get it looking good.
>> I doubt I'll use it if I ever find out what it is, but I think it will
>> make the cutest kitchen decoration.
>>
>> Link to photos of the pan
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/PU088b
>>
>> koko
>>
>> --
>>
>> Food is our common ground, a universal experience
>> James Beard
>>
>Maybe an au gratin pan?
>
>Cool looking no mater what it is, someone gave that away to you.
>
>http://www.falkusa.com/falk-copper-c...au-gratin-pans
>
It's old and a mess. Lots of green and crud but I'm cleaning it up for
decoration. I was just curious as to what it might have been used for.
koko

--

Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

On 6/7/2015 6:01 PM, koko wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 15:11:42 -0600, La Mirada > wrote:
>
>
>> On 6/7/2015 2:59 PM, koko wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought this at a community yard sale for .50 cents. I don't know
>>> what this is, do you? It's made in Holland and it's all copper with a
>>> porcelain handle.The inside bottom is convex, the pan itself is 7
>>> inches long by 5 1/2 inches wide.
>>> I'm cleaning it up, and man, does it ever need cleaning, it's going to
>>> take a while to get it looking good.
>>> I doubt I'll use it if I ever find out what it is, but I think it will
>>> make the cutest kitchen decoration.
>>>
>>> Link to photos of the pan
>>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/PU088b
>>>
>>> koko
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Food is our common ground, a universal experience
>>> James Beard
>>>
>> Maybe an au gratin pan?
>>
>> Cool looking no mater what it is, someone gave that away to you.
>>
>> http://www.falkusa.com/falk-copper-c...au-gratin-pans
>>
> It's old and a mess. Lots of green and crud but I'm cleaning it up for
> decoration. I was just curious as to what it might have been used for.
> koko
>

Surely, I suspect it would be au gratin - very similar shape.

In article >, koko
> wrote:

> It's old and a mess. Lots of green and crud but I'm cleaning it up for
> decoration. I was just curious as to what it might have been used for.
> koko

The solder looks fresh. Solder usually has significant lead content.
It'll be a neat decoration. I wouldn't cook with it unless I had the
solder tested.

leo

On 6/7/2015 9:54 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >, koko
> > wrote:
>
>> It's old and a mess. Lots of green and crud but I'm cleaning it up for
>> decoration. I was just curious as to what it might have been used for.
>> koko
>
> The solder looks fresh. Solder usually has significant lead content.
> It'll be a neat decoration. I wouldn't cook with it unless I had the
> solder tested.
>
> leo
>

So what's your take on its use?

Au gratin pan, something else?

In article >, La Mirada >
wrote:

> On 6/7/2015 9:54 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> > The solder looks fresh. Solder usually has significant lead content.
> > It'll be a neat decoration. I wouldn't cook with it unless I had the
> > solder tested.
> >
> > leo
> >
>
> So what's your take on its use?
> Au gratin pan, something else?

I honestly don't have a clue. If the solder held up, you could slow
simmer a pork hock in it on a stove or put it in a wood oven. I
guess...
So let's call it a pork hock cooker and look no further ;-)

leo

On 6/7/2015 11:54 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >, koko
> > wrote:
>
>> It's old and a mess. Lots of green and crud but I'm cleaning it up for
>> decoration. I was just curious as to what it might have been used for.
>> koko
>
> The solder looks fresh. Solder usually has significant lead content.
> It'll be a neat decoration. I wouldn't cook with it unless I had the
> solder tested.
>
> leo
>


The solder is the least of the worries. You should not cook in copper
unless it has been tinned. Acid in food will cause the copper to be
ingested.

I'm curious. Looking at the first photo, there are two seams around
the pan. Is the depth of the pan to the uppermost of the seams? Does
it, perhaps, have a double bottom? The bottom for the contents at the
upper seam and the bottom for the heat at the lower seam? It is just
that I can't figure out the utility of the two circumferential seams.

--bs

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 13:59:56 -0700, koko > wrote:

>
>I bought this at a community yard sale for .50 cents. I don't know
>what this is, do you? It's made in Holland and it's all copper with a
>porcelain handle.The inside bottom is convex, the pan itself is 7
>inches long by 5 1/2 inches wide.
>I'm cleaning it up, and man, does it ever need cleaning, it's going to
>take a while to get it looking good.
>I doubt I'll use it if I ever find out what it is, but I think it will
>make the cutest kitchen decoration.
>
>Link to photos of the pan
>https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/PU088b
>
>koko

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 20:06:00 -0500, B. Server >
wrote:

>I'm curious. Looking at the first photo, there are two seams around
>the pan. Is the depth of the pan to the uppermost of the seams? Does
>it, perhaps, have a double bottom? The bottom for the contents at the
>upper seam and the bottom for the heat at the lower seam? It is just
>that I can't figure out the utility of the two circumferential seams.
>
>--bs
>
snippage

>>Link to photos of the pan
>>https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/PU088b
>>
>>koko

Nope, no double bottom. I can't figure out the top seam. It's only
visible from the outside of the pan as the new photos will show.

I just added two new photos to the album
https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/e6XFw2

The bottom of the pan is a separate piece that was welded? to the
bottom seam.

There is still a lot of cleaning to do, and I'll never cook with it,
but I wanted to show the bottom of the pan and how it's a separate
piece and the curve of it.
The photo without the lens cap is the inside. The bamboo skewer is
resting on the top of the curve. That's how high it is.

The bottom of the pan, with the lens cap showing the curve. The lens
cap is no way close to the skewer.

I'm intrigued as to what in the heck it is.

koko

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Food is our common ground, a universal experience
James Beard

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-7, koko wrote:
> I bought this at a community yard sale for .50 cents. I don't know
> what this is, do you? It's made in Holland and it's all copper with a
> porcelain handle.The inside bottom is convex, the pan itself is 7
> inches long by 5 1/2 inches wide.
> I'm cleaning it up, and man, does it ever need cleaning, it's going to
> take a while to get it looking good.
> I doubt I'll use it if I ever find out what it is, but I think it will
> make the cutest kitchen decoration.
>
> Link to photos of the pan
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/PU088b
>

Copper cooking pans need to be tinned if acidic foods might be cooked
in them, to avoid copper toxicity. (And molten tin will join copper together.) The interior bottom of this pan looks like it never saw tin. In fact, it
looks corroded.

Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
the interior finish wouldn't matter.

On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 23:13:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

> Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
> the interior finish wouldn't matter.

For starters, bed warmers have a lid.

--

sf

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:26:08 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 23:13:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
> > Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
> > the interior finish wouldn't matter.
>
> For starters, bed warmers have a lid.
>

Every pot has a lid -- old Dutch expression. Finding the lid for a particular
pot takes time.

On 6/8/2015 6:38 AM, wrote:
> On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:26:08 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 23:13:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>
>>> Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
>>> the interior finish wouldn't matter.
>>
>> For starters, bed warmers have a lid.
>>
>
> Every pot has a lid -- old Dutch expression. Finding the lid for a particular
> pot takes time.
>

That one is shaped such that no lid is likely.

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 9:05:42 AM UTC-7, La Mirada wrote:
> On 6/8/2015 6:38 AM, wrote:
> > On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:26:08 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> >> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 23:13:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >>
> >>> Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
> >>> the interior finish wouldn't matter.
> >>
> >> For starters, bed warmers have a lid.
> >>
> >
> > Every pot has a lid -- old Dutch expression. Finding the lid for a particular
> > pot takes time.
> >
>
> That one is shaped such that no lid is likely.

The bottom is shaped such that use on a stove -- any kind of stove -- is
unlikely.

On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 10:05:35 -0600, La Mirada > wrote:

> On 6/8/2015 6:38 AM, wrote:
> > On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:26:08 AM UTC-7, sf wrote:
> >> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 23:13:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >>
> >>> Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
> >>> the interior finish wouldn't matter.
> >>
> >> For starters, bed warmers have a lid.
> >>
> >
> > Every pot has a lid -- old Dutch expression. Finding the lid for a particular
> > pot takes time.
> >
>
> That one is shaped such that no lid is likely.

That was my opinion too. Plus there's no sign that a hinge could be
missing.

--

sf

On 6/8/2015 4:26 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 23:13:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
>> Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
>> the interior finish wouldn't matter.
>
> For starters, bed warmers have a lid.
>
Yes.

On 6/8/2015 12:13 AM, wrote:
> On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-7, koko wrote:
>> I bought this at a community yard sale for .50 cents. I don't know
>> what this is, do you? It's made in Holland and it's all copper with a
>> porcelain handle.The inside bottom is convex, the pan itself is 7
>> inches long by 5 1/2 inches wide.
>> I'm cleaning it up, and man, does it ever need cleaning, it's going to
>> take a while to get it looking good.
>> I doubt I'll use it if I ever find out what it is, but I think it will
>> make the cutest kitchen decoration.
>>
>> Link to photos of the pan
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/PU088b
>>
>
> Copper cooking pans need to be tinned if acidic foods might be cooked
> in them, to avoid copper toxicity. (And molten tin will join copper together.) The interior bottom of this pan looks like it never saw tin. In fact, it
> looks corroded.
>
> Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
> the interior finish wouldn't matter.
>
No apparent lid to contain the coals, unlikely.

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/antique-bed-warmer

On 6/8/2015 2:13 AM, wrote:
> Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
> the interior finish wouldn't matter.

That's a great guess! Missing the lid, though. Maybe it was a chamber pot?

Jill

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 05:55:08 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 6/8/2015 2:13 AM, wrote:
> > Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
> > the interior finish wouldn't matter.
>
> That's a great guess! Missing the lid, though. Maybe it was a chamber pot?
>

I doubt that.
http://www.sunni.us/medieval/objects...erpot/setb.jpg

--

sf

On 6/10/2015 9:14 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 05:55:08 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/8/2015 2:13 AM, wrote:
>>> Although short handled, I wonder if it could be a bed warmer. Then
>>> the interior finish wouldn't matter.
>>
>> That's a great guess! Missing the lid, though. Maybe it was a chamber pot?
>>
>
> I doubt that.
> http://www.sunni.us/medieval/objects...erpot/setb.jpg
>
Hey, I'm guessing just like everyone else. It's definitely not a bed
warmer because it doesn't have a lid.

Jill

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 13:59:56 -0700, koko > wrote:

>
>I bought this at a community yard sale for .50 cents. I don't know
>what this is, do you? It's made in Holland and it's all copper with a
>porcelain handle.The inside bottom is convex, the pan itself is 7
>inches long by 5 1/2 inches wide.
>I'm cleaning it up, and man, does it ever need cleaning, it's going to
>take a while to get it looking good.
>I doubt I'll use it if I ever find out what it is, but I think it will
>make the cutest kitchen decoration.
>
>Link to photos of the pan
>https://www.flickr.com/gp/koko181/PU088b
>
>koko

It is untinned, so only safe for certain foods (jam making, etc)
however, the other physical characteristics imply it is not a jam pot
and I would hesitate to cook in anything with the solder exposed as
that has.

My guess, based on the English "Made in Holland" and decorative
handle, is that it is a decorator souvenir item. Even if it is not
one, I would only use it that way.

Boron

On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:54:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>
> My guess, based on the English "Made in Holland" and decorative
> handle, is that it is a decorator souvenir item. Even if it is not
> one, I would only use it that way.

Agree!

--

sf

On 6/8/2015 12:57 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:54:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> My guess, based on the English "Made in Holland" and decorative
>> handle, is that it is a decorator souvenir item. Even if it is not
>> one, I would only use it that way.
>
> Agree!
>
Tell you what, Koko has spun us quite the mystery here.

It's like an episode of Antiques Roadshow.

On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 13:10:55 -0600, La Mirada > wrote:

> On 6/8/2015 12:57 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:54:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> My guess, based on the English "Made in Holland" and decorative
> >> handle, is that it is a decorator souvenir item. Even if it is not
> >> one, I would only use it that way.
> >
> > Agree!
> >
> Tell you what, Koko has spun us quite the mystery here.
>
> It's like an episode of Antiques Roadshow.
>
Fun, isn't it? At least we have something to make an educated guess
about vs. the complete unknowns posted occasionally by someone else.

--

sf

On 6/8/2015 1:16 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 13:10:55 -0600, La Mirada > wrote:
>
>> On 6/8/2015 12:57 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 12:54:23 -0400, Boron Elgar
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My guess, based on the English "Made in Holland" and decorative
>>>> handle, is that it is a decorator souvenir item. Even if it is not
>>>> one, I would only use it that way.
>>>
>>> Agree!
>>>
>> Tell you what, Koko has spun us quite the mystery here.
>>
>> It's like an episode of Antiques Roadshow.
>>
> Fun, isn't it? At least we have something to make an educated guess
> about vs. the complete unknowns posted occasionally by someone else.
>


Indeed, some more examples of copper au gratin pans.

The main difference is these don't have a stem handle:

http://www.falkusa.com/media/catalog..._pan_25x17.jpg

http://www.jbprince.com/table-servic...sh-12-inch.asp

https://www.etsy.com/market/au_gratin_pan