On Wednesday, July 6, 1994 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-4, VIVIAN. HSU wrote:
> Can anyone tell me what he does other than _The Frugal Gourmet_? And where
> he studied? And how he got his job? Am I asking too much???
>
> Every time I see him on the show, he seems so competent. In comparison,
> Jeff Smith just blunders along. I remember in the earlier years when J.S..
> would constantly refer to his cook Craig, and how much I wanted to see
> him, and how nervous he seemed in the beginning. Anyway, I like him. I
> like him a lot.
>
> Vivian

Frankly, I think that a lot of the research and recipe development came from Craig Wollam or other staffers at WTTW in Chicago. (I've never seen any of the earlier Smith video from Tacoma in the 1970's.)

What most comments fail to take into account was that Smith was essentially a philosopher, not a chef. He often referred to a course he taught, "Food As Sacrament". Thia gives more insight into cooking, eating, and religion. His show was, at the start, never meant to be a step-by-step guide to culinary perfection. It was meant to make the home cook THINK about what he was doing, why, and for whom. It was meant to broaden the viewr's cultural and culinary horizons.

Back to Mr. Wollam: I don't know exactly when he fell in with the Smith production team, but I truly believe that he did a lot of the off-camera work as the show gained attention. Half of the US could probably do a proper mirepoix if you stood over their shoulder, but very few could taste a finished dish and tell you whether the ingredients were minced or chopped brunoise. Craig is one of that small percentage.

Wollam was the food professional; Smith was a food philosopher. Paul Bocuse was a chef; Paul Cezanne was a food fantasizer.

I'll miss Smith, not for his techniques (because they were awful), but for his multidisciplinary approach to food.

On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 6, 1994 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-4, VIVIAN. HSU wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me what he does other than _The Frugal Gourmet_? And where
>> he studied? And how he got his job? Am I asking too much???
>>


>
>Frankly, I think that a lot of the research and recipe development came from Craig Wollam or other staffers at WTTW in Chicago. (I've never seen any of the earlier Smith video from Tacoma in the 1970's.)
>
>What most comments fail to take into account was that Smith was essentially a philosopher, not a chef. He often referred to a course he taught, "Food As Sacrament". Thia gives more insight into cooking, eating, and religion. His show was, at the start, never meant to be a step-by-step guide to culinary perfection. It was meant to make the home cook THINK about what he was doing, why, and for whom. It was meant to broaden the viewr's cultural and culinary horizons.
>
>Back to Mr. Wollam: I don't know exactly when he fell in with the Smith production team, but I truly believe that he did a lot of the off-camera work as the show gained attention. Half of the US could probably do a proper mirepoix if you stood over their shoulder, but very few could taste a finished dish and tell you whether the ingredients were minced or chopped brunoise. Craig is one of that small percentage.
>
>Wollam was the food professional; Smith was a food philosopher. Paul Bocuse was a chef; Paul Cezanne was a food fantasizer.
>
>I'll miss Smith, not for his techniques (because they were awful), but for his multidisciplinary approach to food.

Wow, since 1994 finally a good answer.

Sad that the guy ended his TV career on a shameful note.

Smith single handedly brought balsamic vinegar to the US. Hardly
anyone ever heard of it until he started to use it. Same with the
citrus reamers that became very popular.

He really made it simple for many of us to upgrade our cooking from
using mom's recipes to some new adventures.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:01:42 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 6, 1994 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-4, VIVIAN. HSU wrote:
>
> >> Can anyone tell me what he does other than _The Frugal Gourmet_?
>
> Wow, since 1994 finally a good answer.
>
>
You noticed that, too. Don't you just love these
20+ year old threads that have been resurrected?

On 7/4/2015 9:51 AM, wrote:
> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:01:42 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 1994 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-4, VIVIAN. HSU wrote:
>>
>>>> Can anyone tell me what he does other than _The Frugal Gourmet_?
>>
>> Wow, since 1994 finally a good answer.
>>
>>
> You noticed that, too. Don't you just love these
> 20+ year old threads that have been resurrected?
>

My guess is the come from new users on Google Groups that are reading
them for the first time.

On 7/4/2015 10:29 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/4/2015 9:51 AM, wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:01:42 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 1994 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-4, VIVIAN. HSU wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Can anyone tell me what he does other than _The Frugal Gourmet_?
>>>
>>> Wow, since 1994 finally a good answer.
>>>
>>>
>> You noticed that, too. Don't you just love these
>> 20+ year old threads that have been resurrected?
>>
>
> My guess is the come from new users on Google Groups that are reading
> them for the first time.

They always do... and Vivian (whoever she was) is long gone and will
never read the reply.

Jill

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/4/2015 10:29 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 7/4/2015 9:51 AM, wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:01:42 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT),
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, July 6, 1994 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-4, VIVIAN. HSU
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Can anyone tell me what he does other than _The Frugal
> > > > > > Gourmet_?
> > > >
> > > > Wow, since 1994 finally a good answer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > You noticed that, too. Don't you just love these
> > > 20+ year old threads that have been resurrected?
> > >
> >
> > My guess is the come from new users on Google Groups that are
> > reading them for the first time.
>
> They always do... and Vivian (whoever she was) is long gone and will
> never read the reply.
>
> Jill

Grin, Vivian was pretty fun to read! I think she dropped out around
2001 but not sure.

Carol

--

On 7/4/2015 9:51 AM, wrote:
> You noticed that, too. Don't you just love these
> 20+ year old threads that have been resurrected?

That's Google Groups for ya. The very thing dsi1 thinks should be the
"future" of Usenet. LOL

Jill

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/4/2015 9:51 AM, wrote:
> > You noticed that, too. Don't you just love these
> > 20+ year old threads that have been resurrected?
>
> That's Google Groups for ya. The very thing dsi1 thinks should be the
> "future" of Usenet. LOL
>
> Jill

I never said that Google Groups should be anything. Any idiot that's not blind to what's going on around him would see that the world is moving away from desktop computing and onto mobile devices and Google OSes. We're moving away from using desktop client programs like Forte Agent and Microsoft Office and towards web-based programs. If you're such a smartypants, you tell me how I'm suppose to post to Usenet on a Chromebook?

I don't think the future should be anything. Our fears, hopes, and desires, have little control over the future. Web-based applications are a reality here and now. Sorry to be the one to have to tell you this. Feel free to live in your little bubble. I have no problem with people sticking their fingers in their ears and going "nah nah nah nah!" Just don't make me a fall guy for your ignorant world view.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 7/4/2015 9:51 AM, wrote:
> > > You noticed that, too. Don't you just love these
> > > 20+ year old threads that have been resurrected?
> >
> > That's Google Groups for ya. The very thing dsi1 thinks should be the
> > "future" of Usenet. LOL
> >
> > Jill
>
> I never said that Google Groups should be anything. Any idiot that's not blind to what's going on around him would see that the world is moving away from desktop computing and onto mobile devices and Google OSes. We're moving away from using desktop client programs like Forte Agent and Microsoft Office and towards web-based programs. If you're such a smartypants, you tell me how I'm suppose to post to Usenet on a Chromebook?
>

I have seen the future, and it is an iPhone half the size of an iPad.
Everybody over 40 has trouble staring at a tiny screen, and the
necessity of using a specific app to perform any task -- resulting
in screen after screen of tiny icons -- makes mobile devices all but
unusable.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 1:03:48 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:46:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 7/4/2015 9:51 AM, wrote:
> >> > You noticed that, too. Don't you just love these
> >> > 20+ year old threads that have been resurrected?
> >>
> >> That's Google Groups for ya. The very thing dsi1 thinks should be the
> >> "future" of Usenet. LOL
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> >I never said that Google Groups should be anything. Any idiot that's not blind to what's going on around him would see that the world is moving away from desktop computing and onto mobile devices and Google OSes. We're moving away from using desktop client programs like Forte Agent and Microsoft Office and towards web-based programs. If you're such a smartypants, you tell me how I'm suppose to post to Usenet on a Chromebook?
>
> You're right about mobility and about using multiple devices. But
> that's no reason to make a bad web-based newsreader like GG. It
> wouldn't have been very hard for them to make a decent one.
>
> But you know so little about Usenet, that you can't see how bad GG is.
> And you won't accept anything from anybody.
>
> --
> Bruce

If you're such a smartypants, you tell me how I'm suppose to post to Usenet on a Chromebook?

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 1:03:48 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:46:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:17:23 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 7/4/2015 9:51 AM, wrote:
> >> > You noticed that, too. Don't you just love these
> >> > 20+ year old threads that have been resurrected?
> >>
> >> That's Google Groups for ya. The very thing dsi1 thinks should be the
> >> "future" of Usenet. LOL
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> >I never said that Google Groups should be anything. Any idiot that's not blind to what's going on around him would see that the world is moving away from desktop computing and onto mobile devices and Google OSes. We're moving away from using desktop client programs like Forte Agent and Microsoft Office and towards web-based programs. If you're such a smartypants, you tell me how I'm suppose to post to Usenet on a Chromebook?
>
> You're right about mobility and about using multiple devices. But
> that's no reason to make a bad web-based newsreader like GG. It
> wouldn't have been very hard for them to make a decent one.
>
> But you know so little about Usenet, that you can't see how bad GG is.
> And you won't accept anything from anybody.
>
> --
> Bruce

Google groups is pretty good. I don't get any line warping problems and it even cleans up the posts so I don't have to wade through a bunch of stacked quote. It makes posts a lot more readable.

Of course all that is pretty irrelevant because in the end, I have to use a web based program to post to newsgroups on a Chromebook. If you're such a clever lad, you tell me what my options are. Or are you just a person that likes to complain endlessly? I promise to give it a go but you gotta give me something besides bitching.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 8:01:42 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Wow, since 1994 finally a good answer.

It cracks me up that in 1994 this thread died after 6 posts. After
its revival, it garnered another 47 posts.

Who says Usenet is dead?

Cindy

On 7/5/2015 10:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 8:01:42 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Wow, since 1994 finally a good answer.
>
> It cracks me up that in 1994 this thread died after 6 posts. After
> its revival, it garnered another 47 posts.
>
> Who says Usenet is dead?
>
> Cindy
>
+1

On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 6, 1994 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-4, VIVIAN. HSU wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me what he does other than _The Frugal Gourmet_? And where
>> he studied? And how he got his job? Am I asking too much???
>>
>> Every time I see him on the show, he seems so competent. In comparison,
>> Jeff Smith just blunders along. I remember in the earlier years when J.S.
>> would constantly refer to his cook Craig, and how much I wanted to see
>> him, and how nervous he seemed in the beginning. Anyway, I like him. I
>> like him a lot.
>>
>> Vivian
>
>Frankly, I think that a lot of the research and recipe development came from Craig Wollam or other staffers at WTTW in Chicago. (I've never seen any of the earlier Smith video from Tacoma in the 1970's.)

<snip>

Google groups strikes again. There's been a spate of these posts
across all groups for at least 6 months now. Am curious as to why that
is...

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:13:09 PM UTC-4, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 6, 1994 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-4, VIVIAN. HSU wrote:
> >> Can anyone tell me what he does other than _The Frugal Gourmet_? And where
> >> he studied? And how he got his job? Am I asking too much???
> >>
> >> Every time I see him on the show, he seems so competent. In comparison,
> >> Jeff Smith just blunders along. I remember in the earlier years when J.S.
> >> would constantly refer to his cook Craig, and how much I wanted to see
> >> him, and how nervous he seemed in the beginning. Anyway, I like him. I
> >> like him a lot.
> >>
> >> Vivian
> >
> >Frankly, I think that a lot of the research and recipe development came from Craig Wollam or other staffers at WTTW in Chicago. (I've never seen any of the earlier Smith video from Tacoma in the 1970's.)
>
> <snip>
>
> Google groups strikes again. There's been a spate of these posts
> across all groups for at least 6 months now. Am curious as to why that
> is...

I've no idea. I use Google Groups, but it shows me newest posts
first. I'm not about to scroll through tens of thousands of subjects
to find something from 1994.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:24:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:13:09 PM UTC-4, Je�us wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:32:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, July 6, 1994 at 1:50:39 PM UTC-4, VIVIAN. HSU wrote:
>> >> Can anyone tell me what he does other than _The Frugal Gourmet_? And where
>> >> he studied? And how he got his job? Am I asking too much???
>> >>
>> >> Every time I see him on the show, he seems so competent. In comparison,
>> >> Jeff Smith just blunders along. I remember in the earlier years when J.S.
>> >> would constantly refer to his cook Craig, and how much I wanted to see
>> >> him, and how nervous he seemed in the beginning. Anyway, I like him. I
>> >> like him a lot.
>> >>
>> >> Vivian
>> >
>> >Frankly, I think that a lot of the research and recipe development came from Craig Wollam or other staffers at WTTW in Chicago. (I've never seen any of the earlier Smith video from Tacoma in the 1970's.)
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Google groups strikes again. There's been a spate of these posts
>> across all groups for at least 6 months now. Am curious as to why that
>> is...
>
>I've no idea. I use Google Groups, but it shows me newest posts
>first. I'm not about to scroll through tens of thousands of subjects
>to find something from 1994.

Yeah, it's been many years since I looked at the posting side of
google groups, so I really don't know what's going on there. All I
know is these posts have been seemingly randomly appearing over all
sorts of groups. Most odd.