Enjoyed the holiday from the start.

I'm the first one up this holiday morning so I kept my tradition going.
I put the John Phillips Sousa CD in and played the Stars and Stripes
Forever At full volume. Wife and daughter appreciated it. I was
generous and waited until 8 AM. CD is put away until next year.

Breakfast -- leftover grilled Italian sausage, cut up, onions, cheddar
cheese in scrambled eggs.

Lunch -- natural casing hot dogs on the grill.

Dinner -- Lobsters. Macaroni salad with Italian dressing Sangria with
lots of fruit

Snack -- lemon meringue pie

Made a rhubarb pie - gee, even my crust turned out half decent for a change.

Made potato salad with a cooked dressing.

Cold chicken drumsticks - glass of pinot rounded out the day.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> Enjoyed the holiday from the start.
>
> I'm the first one up this holiday morning so I kept my tradition going. I
> put the John Phillips Sousa CD in and played the Stars and Stripes Forever
> At full volume. Wife and daughter appreciated it. I was generous and
> waited until 8 AM. CD is put away until next year.
>
> Breakfast -- leftover grilled Italian sausage, cut up, onions, cheddar
> cheese in scrambled eggs.
>
> Lunch -- natural casing hot dogs on the grill.
>
> Dinner -- Lobsters. Macaroni salad with Italian dressing Sangria with
> lots of fruit
>
> Snack -- lemon meringue pie

So far not much panned out like I had planned here. And the neighbors are
setting off fireworks already so I may have to go out sooner than I was
going to. I have already been wetting down the lawn and trees for the past
couple of days and did the roof a few times. Wetting down the roof brings
down the temp. inside of the house by 4 degrees! I am spreading the word!

Angela got a party invitation late last night and since it started at 6:00,
I presume there will be dinner. And I had too much leftover food in the
fridge for various reasons so... I did not cook a thing. I told everyone
they were on their own. I will do the burgers tomorrow.

My mom had wanted to go to our usual Mexican place for lunch. I was sure
they would not be open but I didn't want to argue with her. I drove there,
showed her they were open, then went to Sharis. They are giving out double
points today. The nearby TJs was open so I went there to see if they had
the cheese that I am out of and they do not. So now I am stumped as to
where it came from. The distributor never got back to me and no one in the
FB community has even heard of this cheese. I have one other place to look.
County Market. But I don't remember buying cheese there. I do remember
Angela asking if she could have something and I did buy it. Danged if I can
remember what it was. But I did buy 2 ears of corn and some canned soda.
But I digress... TJs had the Social Snackers in stock finally so I got 4
boxes. Should last me a while.

Now if the idiot neighbors would quit lighting stuff. Fireworks and drought
are not a good combo. Add in the others who think it is a good idea to
throw lit flares out of the car window. The poor FD and PD are working
their butts off here.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:30:30 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Enjoyed the holiday from the start.
>
> I'm the first one up this holiday morning so I kept my tradition going.
> I put the John Phillips Sousa CD in and played the Stars and Stripes
> Forever At full volume. Wife and daughter appreciated it. I was
> generous and waited until 8 AM. CD is put away until next year.
>
If you ever hear that at a circus, worry.
>
Went to a county park in the afternoon and grilled pork (and a few hot
dogs for the kids), while the kids skated.

http://www.stlouisco.com/ParksandRec.../SylvanSprings

Did not go to the fair to see fireworks. Our fair has quite a history.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...rophet/379460/
>
--Bryan

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Enjoyed the holiday from the start.
>
> I'm the first one up this holiday morning so I kept my tradition
> going. I put the John Phillips Sousa CD in and played the Stars and
> Stripes Forever At full volume. Wife and daughter appreciated it.
> I was generous and waited until 8 AM. CD is put away until next year.
>
> Breakfast -- leftover grilled Italian sausage, cut up, onions,
> cheddar cheese in scrambled eggs.
>
> Lunch -- natural casing hot dogs on the grill.
>
> Dinner -- Lobsters. Macaroni salad with Italian dressing Sangria
> with lots of fruit
>
> Snack -- lemon meringue pie

We didn't really get fancy with the cooking but we did a few things.

Don deboned 3 sizable chicken leg quarters then added onions, baby
sweet peppers in 3 colors, mushrooms and a few other things, into a
stirfry sort of dish.

I made an apple pie using a preformed crust (I have difficulty rolling
one out right so keep a few store types handy). Since my 2 apple trees
took off really well this year, I still have a request out there for
more recipes. I estimate 50 apples per tree right now but expect about
1/2 to drop off as it's overloaded so I'm collecting those for pies or
dehydrated fruit snacks. Late August they should be just right for
regular eating but for now, they work fine for baking a pie.

Made bread too, a standard rye and white with buttermilk and caraway
seed.

Proabably the big thing was getting a propane tank for the donated
grill a friend gave us when he upscaled. We cleaned it up nicely and
took a good look at the hookups. The friend who gifted us with it, is
going to come over and show us how it works best since it's a new toy
for us. He's looking at next weekend so we'll have a selection of
steaks and chicken parts to practice with. Mini-yard party ;-) Fully
tricked out we need a second propane gas bottle as it's one of those
dual separate chamber types with burner in the middle. Kinda looks a
bit like this except with a burner in the middle.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5...d=1245537&pl=1
#img


Carol




--

On 7/5/2015 11:01 AM, cshenk wrote:

>
> Probably the big thing was getting a propane tank for the donated
> grill a friend gave us when he upscaled. We cleaned it up nicely and
> took a good look at the hookups. The friend who gifted us with it, is
> going to come over and show us how it works best since it's a new toy
> for us. He's looking at next weekend so we'll have a selection of
> steaks and chicken parts to practice with. Mini-yard party ;-) Fully
> tricked out we need a second propane gas bottle as it's one of those
> dual separate chamber types with burner in the middle. Kinda looks a
> bit like this except with a burner in the middle.
>
> http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5...d=1245537&pl=1
> #img
>
>
> Carol

Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.

On Sunday, July 5, 2015 at 10:50:56 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/5/2015 11:01 AM, cshenk wrote:
>
> >
> > Probably the big thing was getting a propane tank for the donated
> > grill a friend gave us when he upscaled. We cleaned it up nicely and
> > took a good look at the hookups. The friend who gifted us with it, is
> > going to come over and show us how it works best since it's a new toy
> > for us. He's looking at next weekend so we'll have a selection of
> > steaks and chicken parts to practice with. Mini-yard party ;-) Fully
> > tricked out we need a second propane gas bottle as it's one of those
> > dual separate chamber types with burner in the middle. Kinda looks a
> > bit like this except with a burner in the middle.
> >
> > http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5...d=1245537&pl=1
> > #img
> >
> >
> > Carol
>
> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
> just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
> prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.

Better yet, use a grill that doesn't operate on fossil fuels.

--Bryan

On 7/5/2015 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/5/2015 11:01 AM, cshenk wrote:
>
>>
>> Probably the big thing was getting a propane tank for the donated
>> grill a friend gave us when he upscaled. We cleaned it up nicely and
>> took a good look at the hookups. The friend who gifted us with it, is
>> going to come over and show us how it works best since it's a new toy
>> for us. He's looking at next weekend so we'll have a selection of
>> steaks and chicken parts to practice with. Mini-yard party ;-) Fully
>> tricked out we need a second propane gas bottle as it's one of those
>> dual separate chamber types with burner in the middle. Kinda looks a
>> bit like this except with a burner in the middle.
>>
>> http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5...d=1245537&pl=1
>> #img
>>
>>
>> Carol
>
> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
> just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
> prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.
>
That's exactly why I prefer a charcoal grill. But hey, hers was a
freebie.

Jill

On Sunday, July 5, 2015 at 12:11:42 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/5/2015 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> > Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
> > just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
> > prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.
> >
> That's exactly why I prefer a charcoal grill. But hey, hers was a
> freebie.

That's why we have a grill that runs on natural gas.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2015-07-05 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
> just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
> prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.


I promised myself when I bought a second propane tank I would never have
two empty tanks. I wish that I had lived up to that promise.

On 2015-07-05 12:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/5/2015 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/5/2015 11:01 AM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Probably the big thing was getting a propane tank for the donated
>>> grill a friend gave us when he upscaled. We cleaned it up nicely and
>>> took a good look at the hookups. The friend who gifted us with it, is
>>> going to come over and show us how it works best since it's a new toy
>>> for us. He's looking at next weekend so we'll have a selection of
>>> steaks and chicken parts to practice with. Mini-yard party ;-) Fully
>>> tricked out we need a second propane gas bottle as it's one of those
>>> dual separate chamber types with burner in the middle. Kinda looks a
>>> bit like this except with a burner in the middle.
>>>
>>> http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5...d=1245537&pl=1
>>> #img
>>>
>>>
>>> Carol
>>
>> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
>> just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
>> prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.
>>
> That's exactly why I prefer a charcoal grill. But hey, hers was a
> freebie.


I am pretty sure that it is possible to run out of charcoal. A tank of
propane lasts a lot longer than a bag of charcoal.

On 7/5/2015 10:04 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> use a grill that doesn't operate on fossil fuels.
>
> --Bryan


Bend double and blow yerself, you elitist fascist libitard!

On 7/5/2015 11:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I promised myself when I bought a second propane tank I would never have
> two empty tanks. I wish that I had lived up to that promise.
>
>

Suck on the gas line, now.

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/5/2015 11:01 AM, cshenk wrote:
>
> >
> > Probably the big thing was getting a propane tank for the donated
> > grill a friend gave us when he upscaled. We cleaned it up nicely and
> > took a good look at the hookups. The friend who gifted us with it,
> > is going to come over and show us how it works best since it's a
> > new toy for us. He's looking at next weekend so we'll have a
> > selection of steaks and chicken parts to practice with. Mini-yard
> > party ;-) Fully tricked out we need a second propane gas bottle as
> > it's one of those dual separate chamber types with burner in the
> > middle. Kinda looks a bit like this except with a burner in the
> > middle.
> >
> > http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5...uctId=1245537&
> > pl=1 #img
> >
> >
> > Carol
>
> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run
> out just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at
> sensible prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.

Thanks! It's new to us and best refills so far we see are about 16$.
Not sure yet how long that will last.

--

On 7/5/2015 11:25 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> A tank of propane lasts a lot longer than a bag of charcoal.

Depends on what size they are.

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/5/2015 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 7/5/2015 11:01 AM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Probably the big thing was getting a propane tank for the donated
> > > grill a friend gave us when he upscaled. We cleaned it up nicely
> > > and took a good look at the hookups. The friend who gifted us
> > > with it, is going to come over and show us how it works best
> > > since it's a new toy for us. He's looking at next weekend so
> > > we'll have a selection of steaks and chicken parts to practice
> > > with. Mini-yard party ;-) Fully tricked out we need a second
> > > propane gas bottle as it's one of those dual separate chamber
> > > types with burner in the middle. Kinda looks a bit like this
> > > except with a burner in the middle.
> > >
> > > http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5...oductId=124553
> > > 7&pl=1 #img
> > >
> > >
> >> Carol
> >
> > Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run
> > out just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at
> > sensible prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.
> >
> That's exactly why I prefer a charcoal grill. But hey, hers was a
> freebie.
>
> Jill

Yup! And we have a Charcoal one already, for smoking mostly.

--

On Sunday, July 5, 2015 at 12:32:54 PM UTC-5, Acme Bully Control wrote:
> On 7/5/2015 10:04 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> > use a grill that doesn't operate on fossil fuels.
> >
> > --Bryan
>
>
> Bend double and blow yerself, you elitist fascist libitard!

You are really ****ing stupid. Calling me a Commie would be understandable,
because I am pretty far left, but using the word, "fascist," makes no sense.

I am the opposite of fascist, as defined by the highest ranking fascist ever.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

You believe in a government that mostly exists to protect the property
assertions (notice that I wrote assertions, not rights) of the wealthy.
I believe in one that does not allow robber-baronism by corporations.
YOU are the fascist.

--Bryan

On Sunday, July 5, 2015 at 12:25:43 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-07-05 12:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 7/5/2015 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 7/5/2015 11:01 AM, cshenk wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Probably the big thing was getting a propane tank for the donated
> >>> grill a friend gave us when he upscaled. We cleaned it up nicely and
> >>> took a good look at the hookups. The friend who gifted us with it, is
> >>> going to come over and show us how it works best since it's a new toy
> >>> for us. He's looking at next weekend so we'll have a selection of
> >>> steaks and chicken parts to practice with. Mini-yard party ;-) Fully
> >>> tricked out we need a second propane gas bottle as it's one of those
> >>> dual separate chamber types with burner in the middle. Kinda looks a
> >>> bit like this except with a burner in the middle.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5...d=1245537&pl=1
> >>> #img
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>
> >> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
> >> just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
> >> prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.
> >>
> > That's exactly why I prefer a charcoal grill. But hey, hers was a
> > freebie.
>
>
> I am pretty sure that it is possible to run out of charcoal. A tank of
> propane lasts a lot longer than a bag of charcoal.

I have a wood pile that never runs out, and about 1/4 of a pallet of charcoal
in my basement, which depletes very slowly because I almost always use wood.

--Bryan

On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 13:25:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2015-07-05 12:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 7/5/2015 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 7/5/2015 11:01 AM, cshenk wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Probably the big thing was getting a propane tank for the donated
> >>> grill a friend gave us when he upscaled. We cleaned it up nicely and
> >>> took a good look at the hookups. The friend who gifted us with it, is
> >>> going to come over and show us how it works best since it's a new toy
> >>> for us. He's looking at next weekend so we'll have a selection of
> >>> steaks and chicken parts to practice with. Mini-yard party ;-) Fully
> >>> tricked out we need a second propane gas bottle as it's one of those
> >>> dual separate chamber types with burner in the middle. Kinda looks a
> >>> bit like this except with a burner in the middle.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5...d=1245537&pl=1
> >>> #img
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>
> >> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
> >> just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
> >> prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.
> >>
> > That's exactly why I prefer a charcoal grill. But hey, hers was a
> > freebie.
>
>
> I am pretty sure that it is possible to run out of charcoal. A tank of
> propane lasts a lot longer than a bag of charcoal.
>
She's talking about the visual aspect. It's easier to tell when you
need to buy more charcoal and you can use the entire bag before you
need to open a new one. With gas, you have to wait for the tank to
run down before you change it... and it often runs out at an
inopportune time.

--

sf

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:30:30 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Enjoyed the holiday from the start.
>
> I'm the first one up this holiday morning so I kept my tradition going.
> I put the John Phillips Sousa CD in and played the Stars and Stripes
> Forever At full volume. Wife and daughter appreciated it. I was
> generous and waited until 8 AM. CD is put away until next year.
>

we were invited to a party, we all took some sort of dish, my contribution was
Brownies, the hosts cooked burgers with special topping. After dinner, Fireworks,
but We went home as th animals, espcially the dog, get upset.

On Sun, 5 Jul 2015 09:04:04 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 5, 2015 at 10:50:56 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/5/2015 11:01 AM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Probably the big thing was getting a propane tank for the donated
>> > grill a friend gave us when he upscaled. We cleaned it up nicely and
>> > took a good look at the hookups. The friend who gifted us with it, is
>> > going to come over and show us how it works best since it's a new toy
>> > for us. He's looking at next weekend so we'll have a selection of
>> > steaks and chicken parts to practice with. Mini-yard party ;-) Fully
>> > tricked out we need a second propane gas bottle as it's one of those
>> > dual separate chamber types with burner in the middle. Kinda looks a
>> > bit like this except with a burner in the middle.
>> >
>> > http://www.lowes.com/pd_5050-49769-5...d=1245537&pl=1
>> > #img
>> >
>> >
>> > Carol
>>
>> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
>> just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
>> prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.
>
>Better yet, use a grill that doesn't operate on fossil fuels.

Charcoal is just as expensive, probably moreso. Those dwarf size 20
pound propane tanks are a rip off. For people who do a lot of
grilling and don't haqve access to natural gas contact a local propane
company and ask about having a 60 gallon bulk tank installed, they
will fill it periodically and at a much lower price than buying those
skimpy 20 pound tanks... buying propane by the gallon costs less than
half as much as buying propane by the pound. I heat with propane so I
have a 500 gallon tank, but I also have a ventless propane heater for
a well house in case of a power outage, its 60 gallon propane tank
costs practically nothing compared to micky mousing around with a
generater.

On 7/5/2015 2:01 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Sunday, July 5, 2015 at 12:32:54 PM UTC-5, Acme Bully Control wrote:
>> On 7/5/2015 10:04 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>> use a grill that doesn't operate on fossil fuels.
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>>
>> Bend double and blow yerself, you elitist fascist libitard!
>
> You are really ****ing stupid.

Projecting again, sanitary "engineer"?

> Calling me a Commie would be understandable,
> because I am pretty far left, but using the word, "fascist," makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense, nor do I think calling you a commie would be
accurate at all. You're far too into what YOU want to ever be an acolyte
of the state.

> I am the opposite of fascist, as defined by the highest ranking fascist ever.

Oh no, you're it in spades.

> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

How'd THAT work out anyway...Vespa or FIAT anyone?

LOL!

> You believe in a government that mostly exists to protect the property
> assertions (notice that I wrote assertions, not rights) of the wealthy.

I couldn't give a rip about the "wealthy", that's your class warfare
pinata not mine.

> I believe in one that does not allow robber-baronism by corporations.

Nor do I.

Nor do we have any such thing.

JD Rockefeller is gone ya dumb ****, dead and gone!


> YOU are the fascist.

No YOU are you pribbling little narcissist censor.

On 7/5/2015 5:23 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> my pre-smoked chicken halves were heating up


NO ONE ****ING CARES!!!!

....dump!

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On 7/5/2015 2:17 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> I have a wood pile that never runs out, and about 1/4 of a pallet of charcoal
> in my basement, which depletes very slowly because I almost always use wood.
>
> --Bryan

Thanks for despoiling the environment, asshole.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Enjoyed the holiday from the start.
>>
>> I'm the first one up this holiday morning so I kept my tradition going. I
>> put the John Phillips Sousa CD in and played the Stars and Stripes Forever
>> At full volume. Wife and daughter appreciated it. I was generous and
>> waited until 8 AM. CD is put away until next year.
>>
>> Breakfast -- leftover grilled Italian sausage, cut up, onions, cheddar
>> cheese in scrambled eggs.
>>
>> Lunch -- natural casing hot dogs on the grill.
>>
>> Dinner -- Lobsters. Macaroni salad with Italian dressing Sangria with
>> lots of fruit
>>
>> Snack -- lemon meringue pie
>
> So far not much panned out like I had planned here. And the neighbors are
> setting off fireworks already so I may have to go out sooner than I was
> going to. I have already been wetting down the lawn and trees for the past
> couple of days and did the roof a few times. Wetting down the roof brings
> down the temp. inside of the house by 4 degrees! I am spreading the word!
>
> Angela got a party invitation late last night and since it started at 6:00,
> I presume there will be dinner. And I had too much leftover food in the
> fridge for various reasons so... I did not cook a thing. I told everyone
> they were on their own. I will do the burgers tomorrow.
>
> My mom had wanted to go to our usual Mexican place for lunch. I was sure
> they would not be open but I didn't want to argue with her. I drove there,
> showed her they were open, then went to Sharis. They are giving out double
> points today. The nearby TJs was open so I went there to see if they had
> the cheese that I am out of and they do not. So now I am stumped as to
> where it came from. The distributor never got back to me and no one in the
> FB community has even heard of this cheese. I have one other place to look.
> County Market. But I don't remember buying cheese there. I do remember
> Angela asking if she could have something and I did buy it. Danged if I can
> remember what it was. But I did buy 2 ears of corn and some canned soda.
> But I digress... TJs had the Social Snackers in stock finally so I got 4
> boxes. Should last me a while.
>
> Now if the idiot neighbors would quit lighting stuff. Fireworks and drought
> are not a good combo. Add in the others who think it is a good idea to
> throw lit flares out of the car window. The poor FD and PD are working
> their butts off here.

I know how it is -- sometimes things don't just go according to plan
exactly.

My kids have been wanting to operate a lemonade stand for a while now
so finally we went ahead with it yesterday. I went with one of them to
Dollar Tree and got a flag, some red cups, white cups, blue cups, and
red balloons, white balloons, and blue balloons, but there were no
individual bags of blue balloons, so we had to get the assortment of
balloons which had a few blue ones in there, and so the balloon color
ratio was little off. On the other hand it worked out okay because
the boys wanted to make water balloons so I said they could make water
balloons out of any of the non red, white, or blue ones. Of course they
strayed a bit and there was at least one red one and one white one that
ended up as water balloons, and I just said "whatever!" which a person
does pretty often when trying to reason with 8-year-olds, gradually
watching your sanity slip away.

But I digress. Pre-lemonade stand, there were multiple discussions of
details, such as, are we making lemonade from scratch, and after seeing
how much lemons cost, plus the added effort needed to bake our own cookies
which it was decided were essential to the endeavor, I said no we're not
making the lemonade from scratch, we're going to buy it from Costco. That
generated a small amount of drama but we got past it. Also after making
a list of all the cookies they wanted to sell, including chocolate
chip, snickerdoodle, lemon, and about seven others, I overruled in the
interest of simplicity and announced that we will make ONE type of cookie,
which ended up being sugar cookies with red, white, and blue sprinkles,
with additional red sugar for background. Also, we decided for variety
to make a few with only red sugar (no sprinkles).

Each kid started working on a sign and one kid got upset because the
other kid got a head start and wrote everything down that he also wanted
to write. After a little convincing he thought it made sense to have
two signs with more or less the same information and to display them
such that people coming from each direction could get the information
they needed. So the signs got done.

I won't go into the pricing discussions. Fortunately there were enough
sales to cover our costs, but not all the trauma to my soul. What trauma
you may ask? Well for example, at DOllar Tree I got two pairs of
sunglasses, one with red frames because one kid likes red, and the other
with red & blue frames because that kid was with me when I wnet shopping
and he picked them out himself. Well of course the kid who got the red
glasses wanted the red & blue ones and complained that his brother ALWAYS
gets what he wants etc. That's just one of about 1 zillion examples.

We had hot dogs and BLTs for lunch, and corn on the cob and some potato
salad my wife got at Costco. I wouldn't recommend the Costco potato
salad -- too sweet. Why do people put sugar in potato salad?

In the evening we went to a fireworks extravaganza. We were going to
grab something from Chipotle and make a picnic of it, but when we got
to the Chipotle, it was closed for remodeling. When does that ever
happen?? Exactly when you don't need it to, that's when. So we were stuck
with the vendors at the park. I got a bratwurst that was pretty good,
and also a 1/2 cu. ft block of curly fries that cost eight dollars. It
was worth it though - I was hungry and they weren't so bad. Also,
unlimited ketchup. The three dollar bottle of 16oz water stung a bit
but like I say, "Whatever."

I was wondering why as it got dark around 10pm, how come so many
people had moved away from the left side of where we were sitting, and
then I realized when the fireworks show started, this enormous tree
in front of us partially blocked the display. But, whatever. I got a
little choked up at the grand finale, thinking of all the people who
died to protect market forces so you can legally charge $8 for an order
of curly fries, and I stood up and chanted "N.S.A.!! N.S.A.!!"

On 7/5/2015 1:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-07-05 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>
>> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
>> just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
>> prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.
>
>
> I promised myself when I bought a second propane tank I would never have
> two empty tanks. I wish that I had lived up to that promise.
>
>
>
I have a smoker and heater for the garage. I have a total of five or
six tanks. I've not run out, but was down to a half tank at one point.

On 7/5/2015 5:16 PM, sf wrote:

> She's talking about the visual aspect. It's easier to tell when you
> need to buy more charcoal and you can use the entire bag before you
> need to open a new one. With gas, you have to wait for the tank to
> run down before you change it... and it often runs out at an
> inopportune time.
>

Not any more.

I look at the gauge on the tank. I take it off in the yellow range and
they charge by the gallon now rather than the fill.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:30:30 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Enjoyed the holiday from the start.
>
> I'm the first one up this holiday morning so I kept my tradition going.
> I put the John Phillips Sousa CD in and played the Stars and Stripes
> Forever At full volume. Wife and daughter appreciated it. I was
> generous and waited until 8 AM. CD is put away until next year.
>
> Breakfast -- leftover grilled Italian sausage, cut up, onions, cheddar
> cheese in scrambled eggs.
>
> Lunch -- natural casing hot dogs on the grill.
>
> Dinner -- Lobsters. Macaroni salad with Italian dressing Sangria with
> lots of fruit
>
> Snack -- lemon meringue pie


We had our traditional Fourth of July BBQ and swim party. We had 18 people, two infants under a year,
a two and a four year old, a couple of older children and the rest were adults. These were friends of our kids, their kids, two of their parents, and a couple of our friends.

It was lovely, great weather, good people, wonderful fun. Intergenerational swimming (well, not actually swimming, but playing and all) is surpassed only (imho) by intergenerational dancing, like at weddings, such a delight to be a part of. It was joyful to see older folks and infants and toddlers interact.

We bbqd. Burgers. I made old-fashioned potato salad, old-fashioned macaroni salad, a spinach and strawberry salad (I think I posted the recipe last year), a Moroccan couscous salad, watermelon, and corn on the cob.

For dessert, I made Barb Schaller's Orgasmic Brownies, and aren't they ever Wow! Offered those with ice cream, real whipped cream, hot fudge sauce, caramel sauce, and chocolate sprinkles; made a bit hit. Thanks, Barb!

..Nellie

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:30:30 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Enjoyed the holiday from the start.
>
> I'm the first one up this holiday morning so I kept my tradition going.
> I put the John Phillips Sousa CD in and played the Stars and Stripes
> Forever At full volume. Wife and daughter appreciated it. I was
> generous and waited until 8 AM. CD is put away until next year.
>
> Breakfast -- leftover grilled Italian sausage, cut up, onions, cheddar
> cheese in scrambled eggs.
>
> Lunch -- natural casing hot dogs on the grill.
>
> Dinner -- Lobsters. Macaroni salad with Italian dressing Sangria with
> lots of fruit
>
> Snack -- lemon meringue pie



For fireworks, we did what we do every year. Our city has a fireworks show at the local high school which is just a couple of blocks from our house. So, we walked there, our little caravan of strollers, wagons, and baby carriers. They put on a nice show, best of all, close to home, no need to drive.

A nice Fourth, looking forward to next year.

Nellie

On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:44:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 7/5/2015 5:16 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > She's talking about the visual aspect. It's easier to tell when you
> > need to buy more charcoal and you can use the entire bag before you
> > need to open a new one. With gas, you have to wait for the tank to
> > run down before you change it... and it often runs out at an
> > inopportune time.
> >
>
> Not any more.
>
> I look at the gauge on the tank. I take it off in the yellow range and
> they charge by the gallon now rather than the fill.

You have to wait for them to refill it?

--

sf

On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:41:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 7/5/2015 1:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2015-07-05 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
> >> just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
> >> prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.
> >
> >
> > I promised myself when I bought a second propane tank I would never have
> > two empty tanks. I wish that I had lived up to that promise.
> >
> >
> >
> I have a smoker and heater for the garage. I have a total of five or
> six tanks. I've not run out, but was down to a half tank at one point.

And you have all that investment in tanks, which is not anything to be
proud of.

--

sf

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/5/2015 1:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-07-05 11:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Always good to have a spare tank. Nothing worse than having it run out
>>> just as you put the steaks on. Find a place that fills them at sensible
>>> prices. The Blue Rhino exchange deal is very expensive.
>>
>>
>> I promised myself when I bought a second propane tank I would never have
>> two empty tanks. I wish that I had lived up to that promise.
>>
>>
>>
> I have a smoker and heater for the garage. I have a total of five or six
> tanks. I've not run out, but was down to a half tank at one point.

I ran out once, then I invested around 20.00 at Lowe's for a gauge that
works very well.

Cheri

"rosie" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 7:30:30 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Enjoyed the holiday from the start.
>>
>> I'm the first one up this holiday morning so I kept my tradition going.
>> I put the John Phillips Sousa CD in and played the Stars and Stripes
>> Forever At full volume. Wife and daughter appreciated it. I was
>> generous and waited until 8 AM. CD is put away until next year.
>>
>
> we were invited to a party, we all took some sort of dish, my contribution
> was
> Brownies, the hosts cooked burgers with special topping. After dinner,
> Fireworks,
> but We went home as th animals, espcially the dog, get upset.

Our old dog got so upset at fireworks we bought her some ear
defenders/muffs

http://hoppiesdoggies.co.uk/mutt-muf...efenders-dogs/

They worked fine so it might be an option for yours.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 1:14:41 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:44:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > I look at the gauge on the tank. I take it off in the yellow range and
> > they charge by the gallon now rather than the fill.
>
> You have to wait for them to refill it?

I don't know about where Ed gets refills, but where I go it takes them a couple minutes to do the refill and they charge by the gallon so topping off a half full tank is reasonable. I did just that the day before the 4th so my smoker would not run out. It's certainly just as quick as going to a store to buy charcoal. My main grill is hooked up to natural gas, so no running out there.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, VA

On 7/6/2015 9:13 AM, wrote:
> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 1:14:41 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:44:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> I look at the gauge on the tank. I take it off in the yellow range and
>>> they charge by the gallon now rather than the fill.
>>
>> You have to wait for them to refill it?
>
> I don't know about where Ed gets refills, but where I go it takes them
>a couple minutes to do the refill and they charge by the gallon so
>topping off a half full tank is reasonable. I did just that the day
>before the 4th so my smoker would not run out.

Around here it's a flat fee, or let's say I never went to a place
that asked how full the tank was before filling it. You just pay
up front.

There are so many ways to check the level of your tank, if you
run out of gas, you just weren't paying attention. No big deal
unless you are expecting a crowd.

nancy

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 9:44:01 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 7/6/2015 9:13 AM, wrote:
> >they charge by the gallon so
> >topping off a half full tank is reasonable.
>
> Around here it's a flat fee, or let's say I never went to a place
> that asked how full the tank was before filling it. You just pay
> up front.

Most places here also charge a flat fee, but one place I know they charge by the gallon. They don't need to ask how full the tank is, they just measure the amount that goes in.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, VA

ranck wrote:
>Nancy Young wrote:
>>ranck wrote:
>>
>>>they charge by the gallon so
>>>topping off a half full tank is reasonable.
>>
>> Around here it's a flat fee, or let's say I never went to a place
>> that asked how full the tank was before filling it. You just pay
>> up front.
>
>Most places here also charge a flat fee, but one place I know they charge by the gallon.
>They don't need to ask how full the tank is, they just measure the amount that goes in.

Several systems are in effect here; most stations have pumps that
accept plastic, pump how much you want and the cost is charged to your
plastic, or there's a button that says "Pay inside", you can pump
first and then pay inside with plastic or with cash. Then there are
stations where when you use cash you pay in advance, you can either
pay for say ten dollars worth, or pay for a fill-up by paying for more
than you think your tank will take and then go back inside for your
change. The pay in advance started here when the cost of gas became
so high that people would drive off without paying... of course there
are cameras so they get caught by the police, but then the public
pays. In the urban and some surburban areas pay in advance has been
in effect for a long time due to high crime, that's why they stopped
using attendants, was too easy to rob them... now the attendant is in
a booth behind bullet proof glass.

On 7/6/2015 10:37 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> ranck wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>> ranck wrote:
>>>
>>>> they charge by the gallon so
>>>> topping off a half full tank is reasonable.
>>>
>>> Around here it's a flat fee, or let's say I never went to a place
>>> that asked how full the tank was before filling it. You just pay
>>> up front.
>>
>> Most places here also charge a flat fee, but one place I know they charge by the gallon.
>> They don't need to ask how full the tank is, they just measure the amount that goes in.
>
> Several systems are in effect here; most stations have pumps that
> accept plastic, pump how much you want and the cost is charged to your
> plastic, or there's a button that says "Pay inside", you can pump
> first and then pay inside with plastic or with cash. Then there are
> stations where when you use cash you pay in advance, you can either
> pay for say ten dollars worth, or pay for a fill-up by paying for more
> than you think your tank will take and then go back inside for your
> change. The pay in advance started here when the cost of gas became
> so high that people would drive off without paying... of course there
> are cameras so they get caught by the police, but then the public
> pays. In the urban and some surburban areas pay in advance has been
> in effect for a long time due to high crime, that's why they stopped
> using attendants, was too easy to rob them... now the attendant is in
> a booth behind bullet proof glass.
>


Nice bunch of scofflaws you live with, screw New Yawk!

On 7/6/2015 10:23 AM, wrote:

>>
>> Around here it's a flat fee, or let's say I never went to a place
>> that asked how full the tank was before filling it. You just pay
>> up front.
>
> Most places here also charge a flat fee, but one place I know they charge by the gallon. They don't need to ask how full the tank is, they just measure the amount that goes in.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, VA
>

Used to be all were flat fee, but then people started to complain. If
the tank was empty, it was not a problem, but if you were not out of
gas, you were paying for a full tank and getting less. Many of the fill
stations now have a simple meter and charge by the gallon.

I go to BJ's and they are cheaper than anyone else around. Most times I
take two tanks to be filled while there.

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 06:13:10 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 1:14:41 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:44:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> > > I look at the gauge on the tank. I take it off in the yellow range and
> > > they charge by the gallon now rather than the fill.
> >
> > You have to wait for them to refill it?
>
> I don't know about where Ed gets refills, but where I go it takes them a couple minutes to do the refill and they charge by the gallon so topping off a half full tank is reasonable. I did just that the day before the 4th so my smoker would not run out. It's certainly just as quick as going to a store to buy charcoal. My main grill is hooked up to natural gas, so no running out there.
>

I'm not familiar with that method. Here in the city, we exchange an
empty container for a full one.

--

sf