This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
general.

Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?

nb

On 07/07/2015 10:47 AM, notbob wrote:
> This seems to be the latest fad

Not "seems" but "IS"!!!! Even pizza places are bowing to the fad.
At a gathering the other evening, I tried a piece of pizza on a gluten
free base. Never again! I would imagine eighteenth century ship's
biscuit would have been more tender.
Graham

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
> nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
> Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
> buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!!

you couldn't tell the difference between 4 and 8 buns?


I liked Udi's organic
> hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
> burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
> sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
> gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
> general.
>
> Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
> in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
> these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
> engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
> they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?
>
> nb

I like gluten.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:47:11 AM UTC-7, notbob wrote:
> This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
> nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
> Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
> buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
> hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
> burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
> sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
> gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
> general.
>
> Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
> in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
> these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
> engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
> they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?
>
> nb

All the research that is being done now on the REAL problem people are having digesting gluten is pointing to the massive amounts of chemicals sprayed on crops.

> wrote in message
...
>I like gluten.

and gluten likes me.

On 7/7/2015 2:31 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> I like gluten.
>
> and gluten likes me.
>
>
Glutton!

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:47:11 AM UTC-7, notbob wrote:
> This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
> nonsense. Or did I miss one?

My friend's late mother was the first "gluten-free" person I knew
Born in 1920, she didn't realize she had celiac sprue until after
the war, because bread was strictly rationed.

When she came to visit, my friend got out the gluten-free cookbook,
and potlucks were barred for the duration, lest someone inadvertently
bring gluten.

Another friend had had "poopoo" problems for decades, until her
doctor advised her to try going gluten-free. The problems cleared up.

As far as Atkins goes, I dropped over 20 lb by eating mostly
complex carbs.

> I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
> Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
> buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
> hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
> burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
> sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon.

Why buy it if you don't need it? You know what corn bread and rice
cakes are like. That bun was probably specially engineered for
structural strength without gluten.


> WTF is the deal with
> gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
> general.
>

My friend's mom was diagnosed with celiac sprue decades before GMO.

On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:47:11 AM UTC-7, notbob wrote:
>> This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
>> nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
>> Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
>> buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
>> hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
>> burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
>> sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
>> gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
>> general.
>>
>> Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
>> in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
>> these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
>> engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
>> they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?
>>
>> nb
>
>All the research that is being done now on the REAL problem people are having digesting gluten is pointing to the massive amounts of chemicals sprayed on crops.

Can you provide some citations for that?

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-7, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:47:11 AM UTC-7, notbob wrote:
> >> This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
> >> nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
> >> Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
> >> buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
> >> hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
> >> burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
> >> sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
> >> gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
> >> general.
> >>
> >> Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
> >> in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
> >> these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
> >> engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
> >> they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> >All the research that is being done now on the REAL problem people are having digesting gluten is pointing to the massive amounts of chemicals sprayed on crops.
>
> Can you provide some citations for that?

there are tons of articles and 'studies' both pro and con, here's a bunch.

https://www.google.com/#q=gluten+may...e+pest icides

On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-7, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:47:11 AM UTC-7, notbob wrote:
>> >> This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
>> >> nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
>> >> Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
>> >> buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
>> >> hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
>> >> burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
>> >> sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
>> >> gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
>> >> general.
>> >>
>> >> Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
>> >> in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
>> >> these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
>> >> engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
>> >> they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?
>> >>
>> >> nb
>> >
>> >All the research that is being done now on the REAL problem people are having digesting gluten is pointing to the massive amounts of chemicals sprayed on crops.
>>
>> Can you provide some citations for that?
>
>there are tons of articles and 'studies' both pro and con, here's a bunch.
>
>https://www.google.com/#q=gluten+may...e+pest icides


You said pesticides are "the REAL problem people are having digesting
gluten," and I asked for a citation that backs that up.

What is the source of your claim?

notbob > wrote in
:

> Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem
> to be in some sorta food Hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oht9AEq1798

--

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice,
you have chosen the side of the oppressor " --
Desmond Tutu

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
> nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
> Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
> buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
> hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
> burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
> sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
> gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
> general.
>
> Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
> in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
> these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
> engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
> they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?

Has nothing to do with that. There is a disease called celiac. If you have
it, you can't eat gluten.

http://www.celiac.com/

It is also possible to have an intolerance or allergy to wheat and/or
gluten. There is also a strong possibility of cross contamination of grains
so if you have a wheat allergy, you should probably eat gluten free grains
because that regular oatmeal you buy could have tiny particles of wheat in
it

If you don't have a valid reason to avoid gluten, then just eat it.

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 07/07/2015 10:47 AM, notbob wrote:
>> This seems to be the latest fad
>
> Not "seems" but "IS"!!!! Even pizza places are bowing to the fad.
> At a gathering the other evening, I tried a piece of pizza on a gluten
> free base. Never again! I would imagine eighteenth century ship's biscuit
> would have been more tender.
> Graham

It's because more and more people are being diagnosed with celiac. Thing
is, most celiacs wouldn't touch a gluten free pizza that was made in a
regular pizza parlor because the people who are making it just don't get it.
To truly have a gluten free kitchen, you must go to great lengths to avoid
cross contamination.

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-7, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:47:11 AM UTC-7, notbob wrote:
>>> >> This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
>>> >> nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
>>> >> Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
>>> >> buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
>>> >> hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
>>> >> burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
>>> >> sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
>>> >> gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
>>> >> general.
>>> >>
>>> >> Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
>>> >> in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
>>> >> these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
>>> >> engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
>>> >> they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?
>>> >>
>>> >> nb
>>> >
>>> >All the research that is being done now on the REAL problem people are
>>> >having digesting gluten is pointing to the massive amounts of chemicals
>>> >sprayed on crops.
>>>
>>> Can you provide some citations for that?
>>
>>there are tons of articles and 'studies' both pro and con, here's a bunch.
>>
>>https://www.google.com/#q=gluten+may...e+pest icides
>
>
> You said pesticides are "the REAL problem people are having digesting
> gluten," and I asked for a citation that backs that up.
>
> What is the source of your claim?

I have also read that it is has to do with GMO. Dunno. Doesn't apply to
me.

> wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:47:11 AM UTC-7, notbob wrote:
>> This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
>> nonsense. Or did I miss one?
>
> My friend's late mother was the first "gluten-free" person I knew
> Born in 1920, she didn't realize she had celiac sprue until after
> the war, because bread was strictly rationed.
>
> When she came to visit, my friend got out the gluten-free cookbook,
> and potlucks were barred for the duration, lest someone inadvertently
> bring gluten.
>
> Another friend had had "poopoo" problems for decades, until her
> doctor advised her to try going gluten-free. The problems cleared up.
>
> As far as Atkins goes, I dropped over 20 lb by eating mostly
> complex carbs.
>
>> I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
>> Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
>> buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
>> hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
>> burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
>> sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon.
>
> Why buy it if you don't need it? You know what corn bread and rice
> cakes are like. That bun was probably specially engineered for
> structural strength without gluten.
>
>
>> WTF is the deal with
>> gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
>> general.
>>
>
> My friend's mom was diagnosed with celiac sprue decades before GMO.

I tried all sorts of gluten free baking when my daughter had to avoid
gluten. Thing is, you really do need eggs and in some case milk to make
that stuff have an even slightly good texture. It is the gluten in wheat
that causes the bread to rise. Without it, you have to compromise. I did
get a recipe for a hamburger bun to be made in the microwave that was okay.
I found it to be more like a biscuit than a bun though. It used carbonated
water to help it rise. Also, gluten free brownies and zucchini bread came
out so well that most people would not notice a difference. And I had mixes
for cornbread that were good. Also many others that were horrible. But
bottom line, don't try to eat like that if you don't need to.

And if you need to? You're better off just giving up all baked goods. Eat
other stuff.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 6:44:31 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
> > nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
> > Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
> > buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
> > hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
> > burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
> > sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
> > gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
> > general.
> >
> > Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
> > in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
> > these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
> > engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
> > they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?
>
> Has nothing to do with that. There is a disease called celiac. If you have
> it, you can't eat gluten.
>
> http://www.celiac.com/
>
> It is also possible to have an intolerance or allergy to wheat and/or
> gluten. There is also a strong possibility of cross contamination of grains
> so if you have a wheat allergy, you should probably eat gluten free grains
> because that regular oatmeal you buy could have tiny particles of wheat in
> it
>
You stupid, stupid woman, oats also has gluten. So does rye (notice that
the sentence made sense without using an *And* before the word, so). Corn
does not have *gluten*.
>
--Bryan

I think most that say they are celiac aren't.

On 7/7/2015 6:03 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> You stupid, stupid woman,


You worthless bullying shitwind.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:

> It's because more and more people are being diagnosed with
> celiac.

From the National Foundation for Celiac Awareness: "An estimated
1 in 133 Americans, or about 1% of the population, has celiac
disease." Probably much the same in Canada.

Actually that's less than 1%. Not really a lot. Certainly not
enough to warrant the change in business practices.

"Gluten" intolerance is most likely caused by Fodmaps.

"Fodmaps is an acronym for fermentable oligosaccharides,
disaccharides, monosaccharides and polyols, sugars that draw
water into the intestinal tract. They may be poorly digested or
absorbed, and become fodder for colonic bacteria that produce gas
and can cause abdominal distress. They a

"¦ Fructose: A sugar prominent in apples, pears, watermelon,
mangoes, grapes, blueberries, tomatoes and tomato concentrate,
and all dried fruits; vegetables like sugar-snap peas, sweet
peppers and pickles; honey; agave; and jams, dressings and drinks
made with high-fructose corn syrup.

"¦ Lactose: The sugar in milk from cows, goats and sheep, present
in ice cream, soft cheeses, sour cream and custard.

"¦ Fructans: Soluble fiber found in bananas, garlic, onions,
leeks, artichokes, asparagus, beets, wheat and rye.

"¦ Galactans: Complex sugars prominent in dried peas and beans,
soybeans, soy milk, broccoli, cabbage and brussels sprouts.

"¦ Polyols: The sugar alcohols (sweeteners) isomalt, mannitol,
sorbitol and xylitol, present in stone fruits like avocado,
cherries, peaches, plums and apricots."

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/1...n-sensitivity-
isnt-celiac-disease/

http://tinyurl.com/qjnlwwy

--

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice,
you have chosen the side of the oppressor " --
Desmond Tutu

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 7:18:33 PM UTC-5, Acme Bully Control wrote:
> On 7/7/2015 6:03 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> > You stupid, stupid woman,
>
>
> You worthless bullying shitwind.

Folks like you are fluffers for the robber barons. You keep them hard so
they can rape the working class.

--Bryan

On 7/7/2015 6:27 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 7:18:33 PM UTC-5, Acme Bully Control wrote:
>> On 7/7/2015 6:03 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>> You stupid, stupid woman,
>>
>>
>> You worthless bullying shitwind.
>
> Folks like you are fluffers for the robber barons.


There are no "robber barons", haven't been for a good long time too.

Update your class warfare rhetoric, fool!

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 7:28:42 PM UTC-5, Acme Bully Control wrote:
> On 7/7/2015 6:27 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 7:18:33 PM UTC-5, Acme Bully Control wrote:
> >> On 7/7/2015 6:03 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> >>> You stupid, stupid woman,
> >>
> >>
> >> You worthless bullying shitwind.
> >
> > Folks like you are fluffers for the robber barons.
>
>
> There are no "robber barons", haven't been for a good long time too.
>
> Update your class warfare rhetoric, fool!

Wall Street is a den of robber barons. The Koch brothers are robber barons.
Papa John is a robber baron. Rick Scott is a robber baron (and a criminal).
The Bush family are robber barons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

You are in every way the paradigm of a Bircher, but worse, because you
love global Capitalism even more than you love America. You hate the
American working class, and want to see all workers get exploited by the
wealthy. If Mussolini buggered Ayn Rand, you would want her to squat over
your face so you could receive communion.

--Bryan

On 07/07/2015 5:00 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-7, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 13:15:46 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:47:11 AM UTC-7, notbob wrote:
>>>>> This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
>>>>> nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
>>>>> Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
>>>>> buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
>>>>> hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
>>>>> burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
>>>>> sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
>>>>> gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
>>>>> general.
>>>>>
>>>>> Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
>>>>> in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
>>>>> these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
>>>>> engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
>>>>> they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>> All the research that is being done now on the REAL problem people are having digesting gluten is pointing to the massive amounts of chemicals sprayed on crops.
>>>
>>> Can you provide some citations for that?
>>
>> there are tons of articles and 'studies' both pro and con, here's a bunch.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/#q=gluten+may...e+pest icides
>
>
> You said pesticides are "the REAL problem people are having digesting
> gluten," and I asked for a citation that backs that up.
>
> What is the source of your claim?
>
Boron, like me, you've been trained to think critically. You know all
too well that you will never get a reference to a valid study.
One sees this all the time in the quack mags in "health food" stores.
Articles praising some extract, homeopathy or acupuncture are replete
with the phrase: "Studies show that...." but the references, if given,
are to articles in other quack mags.
Graham
--

"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 6:44:31 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > This seems to be the latest fad since the bogus Atkins "no/low-carb"
>> > nonsense. Or did I miss one? I bought a bag o' Udi's Classic
>> > Hamburger Buns (gluten-free). At $3.99 per pkg, I thought I was
>> > buying an 8-pak. Nope. Four buns at $1 ea!! I liked Udi's organic
>> > hot-dog buns, but was not expecting $1 per bun for a no wheat flour
>> > burger bun. Granted, it held up to a very juicy burger w/ tomatoes,
>> > sweet relish, etc, but a buck per bun!? C'mon. WTF is the deal with
>> > gluten-free? Is everyone allergic to GMO wheat or jes wheat in
>> > general.
>> >
>> > Between peanut allergies, wheat allergies, and e-coli, we seem to be
>> > in some sorta food Hell. Ever wonder why ppl have become allergic to
>> > these foods? All the while, companies that promote genetically
>> > engineered foods are refusing to inform you if they are GMO. Why are
>> > they spending millions of dollars to keep us in the dark?
>>
>> Has nothing to do with that. There is a disease called celiac. If you
>> have
>> it, you can't eat gluten.
>>
>> http://www.celiac.com/
>>
>> It is also possible to have an intolerance or allergy to wheat and/or
>> gluten. There is also a strong possibility of cross contamination of
>> grains
>> so if you have a wheat allergy, you should probably eat gluten free
>> grains
>> because that regular oatmeal you buy could have tiny particles of wheat
>> in
>> it
>>
> You stupid, stupid woman, oats also has gluten. So does rye (notice that
> the sentence made sense without using an *And* before the word, so). Corn
> does not have *gluten*.

Bryan, all grains have gluten. Even corn. But there are different kinds of
gluten. And for the kind that you need to avoid on a gluten free diet, oats
in and of themselves do not contain it. However, it is the way that grains
are stored and transported that makes most standard oats not guaranteed to
be gluten free. There are farmers that do grow certified gluten free oats.
That being said, some people with celiac can not eat gluten free oats.
Reasons so far unknown. Some can't eat dairy either. Rye is not gluten
free and neither is barley.

Wheat and gluten are two different things. You could have a wheat allergy
and be able to get away with eating regular oats. Yes, they may be
contaminated with gluten and/or wheat. Wheat does have gluten but when in
and of itself has more things to it than gluten. Angela used to have an
intolerance to wheat and gluten. Someone who has to avoid gluten would of
course have to avoid wheat. A person who has to avoid wheat, could eat rye,
provided that it wasn't cross contaminated.

That being said, most people who have issues with any of these grains would
just eat a gluten free diet because there is no chance of cross
contamination and better to be safe than sorry.

I suppose I should also mention Autism here. Some people who have that find
that they are helped by eating the Feingold diet which avoid both gluten and
dairy. I think there are different stages of this diet and I think some
stages also avoid artificial coloring. I am no expert on this diet though.
So if you truly want to know more, you would have to look it up.

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
> :
>
>> It's because more and more people are being diagnosed with
>> celiac.
>
> From the National Foundation for Celiac Awareness: "An estimated
> 1 in 133 Americans, or about 1% of the population, has celiac
> disease." Probably much the same in Canada.
>
> Actually that's less than 1%. Not really a lot. Certainly not
> enough to warrant the change in business practices.

I didn't say that it was a lot but more are being diagnosed.
>
> "Gluten" intolerance is most likely caused by Fodmaps.

Eh, maybe. I do know some people who follow that diet.
>
> "Fodmaps is an acronym for fermentable oligosaccharides,
> disaccharides, monosaccharides and polyols, sugars that draw
> water into the intestinal tract. They may be poorly digested or
> absorbed, and become fodder for colonic bacteria that produce gas
> and can cause abdominal distress. They a
>
> "¦ Fructose: A sugar prominent in apples, pears, watermelon,
> mangoes, grapes, blueberries, tomatoes and tomato concentrate,
> and all dried fruits; vegetables like sugar-snap peas, sweet
> peppers and pickles; honey; agave; and jams, dressings and drinks
> made with high-fructose corn syrup.
>
> "¦ Lactose: The sugar in milk from cows, goats and sheep, present
> in ice cream, soft cheeses, sour cream and custard.
>
> "¦ Fructans: Soluble fiber found in bananas, garlic, onions,
> leeks, artichokes, asparagus, beets, wheat and rye.
>
> "¦ Galactans: Complex sugars prominent in dried peas and beans,
> soybeans, soy milk, broccoli, cabbage and brussels sprouts.
>
> "¦ Polyols: The sugar alcohols (sweeteners) isomalt, mannitol,
> sorbitol and xylitol, present in stone fruits like avocado,
> cherries, peaches, plums and apricots."
>
> http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/1...n-sensitivity-
> isnt-celiac-disease/
>
> http://tinyurl.com/qjnlwwy
>
> --
>
> "If you are neutral in situations of injustice,
> you have chosen the side of the oppressor " --
> Desmond Tutu

> wrote in message
...
>I think most that say they are celiac aren't.

Why in the world would you say that? Do you know what kind of testing they
have to go through to be diagnosed? I am thinking, no. If you did, you
wouldn't say that.

On 7/7/2015 6:55 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 7:28:42 PM UTC-5, Acme Bully Control wrote:
>> On 7/7/2015 6:27 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 7:18:33 PM UTC-5, Acme Bully Control wrote:
>>>> On 7/7/2015 6:03 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
>>>>> You stupid, stupid woman,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You worthless bullying shitwind.
>>>
>>> Folks like you are fluffers for the robber barons.
>>
>>
>> There are no "robber barons", haven't been for a good long time too.
>>
>> Update your class warfare rhetoric, fool!
>
> Wall Street is a den of robber barons. The Koch brothers


Blah, blah, blah...

Soros, etc.

You're a one sided record with no hit.

On 7/8/2015 8:49 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>> All the research that is being done now on the REAL problem people are
>having digesting gluten is pointing to the massive amounts of
chemicals sprayed on crops.
>>
>> Can you provide some citations for that?
>
> there are tons of articles and 'studies' both pro and con, here's a bunch.
>
> https://www.google.com/#q=gluten+may...e+pest icides
>
Jeb Bush is an evil man. Let's make a list

Terry Schiavo sensationalism
Crappy education reform
Crap economy post 9/11
Bad parenting
Killed the rave scene
Excessive spending on travel
Bores people to death (literally)
Aaaaaand he's a Bush brother.

Please add to this list, he's not fit to be the nominee.

On 7/8/2015 6:12 AM, wrote:
> I like gluten.
>
I like the look of the Democrats in 2016

Whenever the deep thinkers of the Republican establishment glance at
their bulging clown car of presidential hopefuls — with out-there Dr.
Ben Carson, exorcist Bobby Jindal, loudmouth Chris Christie and
bankruptcy expert Donald Trump jammed against Sens. Rand Paul and Ted
Cruz, to name a few — they inevitably start chattering about “Jeb Bush.”

Never mind that his father was a one-term wonder of no great distinction
or that his brother is already a serious contender, in the eyes of
historians, for worst president of the past 100 years. And never mind
that on the issues most controversial among party activists —
immigration and Common Core educational standards — he is an accursed
“moderate.”

Lacking any especially attractive alternative, powerful Republicans are
pushing Bush to run in 2016. And he seems to be on the cusp of a
decision. Besides, more than a few Democrats agree that Bush, however
damaged his family brand, would be the most formidable candidate
available to the GOP. They, too, whisper about him as “the only one who
could beat Hillary Clinton.”

On 7/7/2015 9:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


> I suppose I should also mention Autism here. Some people who have that
> find that they are helped by eating the Feingold diet which avoid both
> gluten and dairy. I think there are different stages of this diet and I
> think some stages also avoid artificial coloring. I am no expert on
> this diet though. So if you truly want to know more, you would have to
> look it up.

Our son was hyperactive when he was younger. The Feingold diet at the
time was to eliminate artificial colors and preservatives. It made
quite a difference and woth the effort. He outgrew the hyperactivity also

This was back in the early 1980's and autism and gluten were not
highlighted as they are now.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/7/2015 9:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>
>> I suppose I should also mention Autism here. Some people who have that
>> find that they are helped by eating the Feingold diet which avoid both
>> gluten and dairy. I think there are different stages of this diet and I
>> think some stages also avoid artificial coloring. I am no expert on
>> this diet though. So if you truly want to know more, you would have to
>> look it up.
>
> Our son was hyperactive when he was younger. The Feingold diet at the
> time was to eliminate artificial colors and preservatives. It made quite
> a difference and woth the effort. He outgrew the hyperactivity also
>
> This was back in the early 1980's and autism and gluten were not
> highlighted as they are now.

We had a neighbor boy who was the same. I used to babysit him on occasion.
Was normally sweet as could be. Then once at the 4th of July picnic, his
mom started freaking out and asked who had given him the Hawaiian Punch? It
was another neighbor. He wasn't allowed any artificial colors because they
made him super hyper. He was flying all over the yard, throwing and kicking
things, flipping things over, etc. Took many hours for it to wear off and
for him to be calm again.

On 7/7/2015 10:14 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 7/7/2015 9:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>> I suppose I should also mention Autism here. Some people who have that
>>> find that they are helped by eating the Feingold diet which avoid both
>>> gluten and dairy. I think there are different stages of this diet and I
>>> think some stages also avoid artificial coloring. I am no expert on
>>> this diet though. So if you truly want to know more, you would have to
>>> look it up.
>>
>> Our son was hyperactive when he was younger. The Feingold diet at the
>> time was to eliminate artificial colors and preservatives. It made
>> quite a difference and woth the effort. He outgrew the hyperactivity
>> also
>>
>> This was back in the early 1980's and autism and gluten were not
>> highlighted as they are now.
>
> We had a neighbor boy who was the same. I used to babysit him on
> occasion. Was normally sweet as could be. Then once at the 4th of July
> picnic, his mom started freaking out and asked who had given him the
> Hawaiian Punch? It was another neighbor. He wasn't allowed any
> artificial colors because they made him super hyper. He was flying all
> over the yard, throwing and kicking things, flipping things over, etc.
> Took many hours for it to wear off and for him to be calm again.


Wow.

That's really freaky!

On 2015-07-07 11:56 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Our son was hyperactive when he was younger. The Feingold diet at the
> time was to eliminate artificial colors and preservatives. It made
> quite a difference and woth the effort. He outgrew the hyperactivity also
>
> This was back in the early 1980's and autism and gluten were not
> highlighted as they are now.


That was about the same time we noted issues with our son. He was not
used to eating junk food so it was easier to spot it on the rare
occasion that he had it. When he was about 5 we were on a road trip and
he had something with a red-orange colour to it. The stuff was tasty.
Within minutes he was carrying on and then about 10 minutes he was
crashing from it.

On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 19:21:34 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 07/07/2015 5:00 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags

>>>
>>> there are tons of articles and 'studies' both pro and con, here's a bunch.
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/#q=gluten+may...e+pest icides
>>
>>
>> You said pesticides are "the REAL problem people are having digesting
>> gluten," and I asked for a citation that backs that up.
>>
>> What is the source of your claim?
>>
>Boron, like me, you've been trained to think critically. You know all
>too well that you will never get a reference to a valid study.
>One sees this all the time in the quack mags in "health food" stores.
>Articles praising some extract, homeopathy or acupuncture are replete
>with the phrase: "Studies show that...." but the references, if given,
>are to articles in other quack mags.
>Graham

Alas, the gullibility of the general public, along with its serious
lack of critical thinking and grounding in the sciences, coupled with
an inability to assess numbers, makes for a lot of profitable
quackery.

Bon

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:44:48 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >I think most that say they are celiac aren't.
>
> Why in the world would you say that? Do you know what kind of testing they
> have to go through to be diagnosed? I am thinking, no. If you did, you
> wouldn't say that.

Anybody can *say* that have celiac, even if they haven't been through
the tests to get the actual diagnosis.

That said, I doubt many people are actually saying "I have celiac" when
the don't. People on the gluten bandwagon are just saying "I can't
have gluten" or "I don't eat gluten".

Cindy Hamilton

On 08/07/2015 8:18 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:44:48 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I think most that say they are celiac aren't.
>>
>> Why in the world would you say that? Do you know what kind of testing they
>> have to go through to be diagnosed? I am thinking, no. If you did, you
>> wouldn't say that.
>
> Anybody can *say* that have celiac, even if they haven't been through
> the tests to get the actual diagnosis.
>
> That said, I doubt many people are actually saying "I have celiac" when
> the don't. People on the gluten bandwagon are just saying "I can't
> have gluten" or "I don't eat gluten".
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Far too many take seriously the myths promoted by the denizens of
"People" and other s/m tabloids.
Graham

--

On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 08:56:09 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 19:21:34 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
> >On 07/07/2015 5:00 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>
> >>>
> >>> there are tons of articles and 'studies' both pro and con, here's a bunch.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.google.com/#q=gluten+may...e+pest icides
> >>
> >>
> >> You said pesticides are "the REAL problem people are having digesting
> >> gluten," and I asked for a citation that backs that up.
> >>
> >> What is the source of your claim?
> >>
> >Boron, like me, you've been trained to think critically. You know all
> >too well that you will never get a reference to a valid study.
> >One sees this all the time in the quack mags in "health food" stores.
> >Articles praising some extract, homeopathy or acupuncture are replete
> >with the phrase: "Studies show that...." but the references, if given,
> >are to articles in other quack mags.
> >Graham
>
> Alas, the gullibility of the general public, along with its serious
> lack of critical thinking and grounding in the sciences, coupled with
> an inability to assess numbers, makes for a lot of profitable
> quackery.
>
The second article down addresses the subject.
http://theceliacmd.com/2013/10/pesti...ty-connection/

I still go with glysphosate poisoning and selective breeding as the
primary cause of non-celiac wheat issues. Additionally, many who
suspect they are wheat intolerant may be yeast intolerant instead.


--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room.

On Wed, 8 Jul 2015 07:18:28 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 9:44:48 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >I think most that say they are celiac aren't.
> >
> > Why in the world would you say that? Do you know what kind of testing they
> > have to go through to be diagnosed? I am thinking, no. If you did, you
> > wouldn't say that.
>
> Anybody can *say* that have celiac, even if they haven't been through
> the tests to get the actual diagnosis.
>
> That said, I doubt many people are actually saying "I have celiac" when
> the don't. People on the gluten bandwagon are just saying "I can't
> have gluten" or "I don't eat gluten".
>
I don't know one single person who says they have celiac, but I do
know people with a range of symptoms from aching joints to eczema that
they know acts up after eating a product containing a significant
amount of wheat, like a bagel... particularly after days of eating
wheat and it's much better or non-existent when they don't eat wheat.


--
A kitchen without a cook is just a room.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 4:15:53 PM UTC-4, ImStillMags wrote:
>
> All the research that is being done now on the REAL problem people are having digesting gluten is pointing to the massive amounts of chemicals sprayed on crops.

I'm wheat intolerant - Different symptoms than are usual for true testable allergies but the symptoms are real. I can turn them off with a few days of careful avoidance of wheat, triticale, spelt and kamut. I can turn the symptoms on with one whole wheat bun, or a good yeast roll, or the breading of a KFC value meal. Of course if I'm going to make myself deliberately sick like that it should be a pizza with a whole wheat crust or some chicken fried steak made with fresh ground whole wheat.

Maybe my family is an outlier - My maternal grandfather who born in 1909 for his entire life had the exact same list of symptoms that I get from wheat.. But back in his day no one thought it was even possible for wheat to cause problems so he never went a day in his life without something made with wheat. It is reported that other male members of his family in previous generations had the same list of symptoms as well. It just ran in that branch of the family to cough constantly, have indigestion after most meals and so on.

What I think is people realized it is *possible* for wheat to give people problems so they stopped ignoring the possibility and starting looking for the possibility. Back in 1999 I only went wheat free because I went on a diet with an elimination and challenge system as a part of its directions.