On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>
>>
> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>
> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> wine for a refund?
>
When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
refund agreement.
Graham

--

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>
>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>
>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>> wine for a refund?
>>
>When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>refund agreement.

Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 6:01:14 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
>
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
> >On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>
> >> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> >> wine for a refund?
> >>
> >When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
> >refund agreement.
>
> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>
>
He's just rattling on. The very, very few stores here that
do not have a return/refund policy don't last long. They'd
certainly not get my business if that is their policy.

On 7/20/2015 10:20 AM, wrote:
Vice-President Dick Cheney recently returned to the UFO capitol of the
world - Roswell, New Mexico. It was his first trip there since a visit
there during the waning days of the 2000 Presidential campaign.

During his first Roswell visit in late October 2000, newspapers reported,

"Cheney was greeted by a sign that depicted a little green man with
a heart and the name ‘Cheney’—as in ‘Space Aliens Love Cheney.’" Because
Cheney had been a former Secretary of Defense, many within the UFO
community speculated that the visit might have been a hint at an
upcoming UFO disclosure. Even the October 26, 2000 New York Times noted
the extraterrestrial significance of the Cheney stopover with its
headline "The Alien Factor: And Out in Roswell."

Another reason for the Ufological optimism was that the 2000 Roswell
visit by Cheney occurred shortly after the now infamous meeting between
presidential candidate George W. Bush and Arkansas native Charles
Huffer. It was during that July 2000 campaign encounter that Huffer
asked George Bush if he were elected President would he disclose,

"the truth about UFOs." Bush in reply stated "Sure. I will... It
will be the first thing he (pointing to Cheney) will do. He’ll get right
on it."

Therefore, when Cheney arrived in Roswell a few months later, many
thought it was a sign of positive things to come. Cheney, to the
disappointment of many UFO watchers, simply made his speech with no
mention of E.T.s or anything remotely close, and flew on to Wyoming.
Disclosure didn’t come, but the UFO hopefuls still remained optimistic.

The latest October 2002 visit by Cheney to Roswell also came with signs
that this too could be a nod and a wink to the UFO community. Instead of
speaking at the town hall as he had in 2000, Cheney chose to speak to
the 3,000 faithful inside Hanger 32 at the Roswell Industrial Air
Center. (Formally Roswell Army Air Field) This hanger, of course, is
just a hop and a skip down the tarmac from Hanger 84 where the Roswell
alien bodies were rumored to have been stored following the now famous
1947 Roswell weather balloon crash.

The most recent visit to the old Roswell Air Base also closely mimicked
the visit a fellow Republican, and former president, Ronald Reagan made
to the base for a campaign speech for then Senator Harrison Schmitt in
1982. Like Cheney, Reagan made a short stopover Roswell speech in late
October, just prior to the mid-term election.

Like the Cheney visits, the Reagan visit to the Roswell Air Base also
stirred up the UFO community, occurring only months after Steven
Spielberg had visited the White House and had given a private screening
of "E.T.: The Extraterrestrial" for Reagan and three dozen of his close
friends and colleagues. While giving his Roswell speech, Reagan always
prepared to play to the audience, even mentioned the popular "E.T." in
his speech.

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On 2015-07-19 20:20, wrote:

>> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>>
>>
> He's just rattling on. The very, very few stores here that
> do not have a return/refund policy don't last long. They'd
> certainly not get my business if that is their policy.

Stores should stand behind the products they sell. If you buy a product
that fails to deliver they should offer a replacement or a refund. If,
OTOH, you want to return something because you don't really need it....
that would depend on the product. You can't order 2 pounds of meat from
your butcher and decide a day or two later that you don't need that much
and expect a refund.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 22:21:42 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-07-19 20:20, wrote:
>
>>> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>>>
>>>
>> He's just rattling on. The very, very few stores here that
>> do not have a return/refund policy don't last long. They'd
>> certainly not get my business if that is their policy.
>
>Stores should stand behind the products they sell. If you buy a product
>that fails to deliver they should offer a replacement or a refund. If,
>OTOH, you want to return something because you don't really need it....
>that would depend on the product. You can't order 2 pounds of meat from
>your butcher and decide a day or two later that you don't need that much
>and expect a refund.
>

There will always be someone that will try to though. Most stores
have liberal return policies, but they do have to protect themselves a
bit. Food store will take back anything found to be spoiled.

Records, CDs, tapes, have never been returnable unless defective or
unopened. If they just took them back, people would watch the movie
or copy the CD and return it.

People do buy specialty tools, use them, return them. Pure abuse and
stealing from the retailer and we all pay for that.

To answer the original comment, there are plenty of laws in place to
protect the consumer if a product is defective. Stores can also
protect themselves from the abusers too.

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 9:22:22 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2015-07-19 20:20, wrote:
>
> >> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
> >>
> >>
> > He's just rattling on. The very, very few stores here that
> > do not have a return/refund policy don't last long. They'd
> > certainly not get my business if that is their policy.
>
> Stores should stand behind the products they sell. If you buy a product
> that fails to deliver they should offer a replacement or a refund. If,
> OTOH, you want to return something because you don't really need it....
> that would depend on the product. You can't order 2 pounds of meat from
> your butcher and decide a day or two later that you don't need that much
> and expect a refund.
>
>
True, true.

It's rare I return something for a refund. The hassle of
driving back to the store, usually standing in line, explaining
why I'm returning it, etc.

A few weeks ago I bought a small wedge of Stella blue cheese
but mistakenly picked u the smoked version. Blech! I didn't
like it at all but did manage to get it down. A week or two
later I bought another wedge but made sure I did not pick up
the smoked version and told the cashier of my previous
mistake. She said I should have returned it for a refund.
It never entered my mind to take it back and it wasn't
worth the drive back to the store as it was MY mistake.

On 7/19/2015 5:01 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>>
>>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>>
>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>> wine for a refund?
>>>
>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>> refund agreement.
>
> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>


Well you can **** the Hell off and stay where you are, you xenophobic
critic.

On 19/07/2015 5:01 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>>
>>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>>
>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>> wine for a refund?
>>>
>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>> refund agreement.
>
> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>
Actually, that's pretty well universal! That receipt has the force of a
contract. However, Sears' "Return if you are not satisfied for any
reason" policy has resulted in consumers assuming that they have free reign!
Small stores often won't refund but offer a credit note instead - but
they needn't!
Graham
--

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 19:34:48 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 19/07/2015 5:01 PM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>>>
>>>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>>>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>>>
>>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>>> wine for a refund?
>>>>
>>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>>> refund agreement.
>>
>> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>>
>Actually, that's pretty well universal! That receipt has the force of a
>contract. However, Sears' "Return if you are not satisfied for any
>reason" policy has resulted in consumers assuming that they have free reign!
>Small stores often won't refund but offer a credit note instead - but
>they needn't!

Yep, some stores use discretion, up to them if they want to do that.
In Australia, you don't even necessarily need to have your receipt
(according to Australian consumer law at least) and can return items
if they are not fit for purpose or faulty, of course.

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 09:01:05 +1000, Jeßus >
wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>>
>>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>>
>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>> wine for a refund?
>>>
>>When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>>refund agreement.
>
>Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.

It is basically the same here. Retailers ony have to give refunds for
faulty goods or by prior agreement (think Target, KMart etc where it
is advertised policy). Most will offer exchanges for wrong sizes or
choices and some even if you just change your mind, although they are
not obligated to do so.

JB

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:10:14 +0800, JBurns >
wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 09:01:05 +1000, Jeßus >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>>On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>>>
>>>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>>>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>>>
>>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>>> wine for a refund?
>>>>
>>>When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>>>refund agreement.
>>
>>Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>
>It is basically the same here. Retailers ony have to give refunds for
>faulty goods or by prior agreement (think Target, KMart etc where it
>is advertised policy). Most will offer exchanges for wrong sizes or
>choices and some even if you just change your mind, although they are
>not obligated to do so.

Actually, we have more rights than those you have mentioned. Changing
your mind isn't one of them, although many stores will do that (as you
say).

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>
>>>
>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>
>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>> wine for a refund?
>>
> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for refund
> agreement.

When you buy something, it is a contract. The contract may or may not have
express or implied right to return or warranties, and there are undoubtedly
state or case law on the warranties issue.

On 7/19/2015 7:10 PM, taxed and spent wrote:

>>>
>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>> wine for a refund?
>>>
>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for refund
>> agreement.
>
> When you buy something, it is a contract. The contract may or may not have
> express or implied right to return or warranties, and there are undoubtedly
> state or case law on the warranties issue.
>
>

Some stores offer liberal return policies, others not so much. One
factor is "fit for intended use" In many states there is no obligation
to take back a product that is not defective.

Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
tool, use it for a job, then return it.

On 19/07/2015 5:33 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/19/2015 7:10 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>>> wine for a refund?
>>>>
>>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>>> refund
>>> agreement.
>>
>> When you buy something, it is a contract. The contract may or may not
>> have
>> express or implied right to return or warranties, and there are
>> undoubtedly
>> state or case law on the warranties issue.
>>
>>
>
> Some stores offer liberal return policies, others not so much. One
> factor is "fit for intended use" In many states there is no obligation
> to take back a product that is not defective.
>
> Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
> tool, use it for a job, then return it.

Sometimes to different stores and demand a refund!
Graham

--

On 2015-07-19 9:29 PM, graham wrote:

>> Some stores offer liberal return policies, others not so much. One
>> factor is "fit for intended use" In many states there is no obligation
>> to take back a product that is not defective.
>>
>> Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
>> tool, use it for a job, then return it.
>
> Sometimes to different stores and demand a refund!

I was in a store a couple years ago where I guy was demanding a refund
and had no receipt and there was no tag on it. Some of us had to wait
in line for the duration of his argument. Then it turned out that the
store did not even carry that product.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2015-07-19 9:29 PM, graham wrote:
>
> >> Some stores offer liberal return policies, others not so much. One
> >> factor is "fit for intended use" In many states there is no obligation
> >> to take back a product that is not defective.
> >>
> >> Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
> >> tool, use it for a job, then return it.
> >
> > Sometimes to different stores and demand a refund!
>
> I was in a store a couple years ago where I guy was demanding a refund
> and had no receipt and there was no tag on it. Some of us had to wait
> in line for the duration of his argument. Then it turned out that the
> store did not even carry that product.

At one time a chain of DIY stores in UK had to post a notice to
legitimate customers, warning them not to drop their till receipt in the
car park. Crooks were collecting lost reciepts, then they'd shoplift
some item listed on it and "return" it with the receipt, for a cash
refund.

To prevent that scam, now most stores will only refund cash for
receipted cash purchases. If the receipt shows the original purchase was
by plastic, refunds are credited to the card or bank account.

Janet UK

On 2015-07-20 8:52 AM, Janet wrote:

> At one time a chain of DIY stores in UK had to post a notice to
> legitimate customers, warning them not to drop their till receipt in the
> car park. Crooks were collecting lost reciepts, then they'd shoplift
> some item listed on it and "return" it with the receipt, for a cash
> refund.
>
> To prevent that scam, now most stores will only refund cash for
> receipted cash purchases. If the receipt shows the original purchase was
> by plastic, refunds are credited to the card or bank account.

Around here, refunds have always been given in the same sort of
transaction as the sale. If you paid cash you get cash. If you paid by
debit or credit you get a credit to your account. They don't even give
cash for debit card refunds.

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:52:23 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> To prevent that scam, now most stores will only refund cash for
> receipted cash purchases. If the receipt shows the original purchase was
> by plastic, refunds are credited to the card or bank account.

I agree with that policy, in fact I'd rather have my account credited
than have cash in hand because I don't like seeing a charge on my card
at the end of the month for something I returned.

--

sf

On 7/19/2015 9:29 PM, graham wrote:
> On 19/07/2015 5:33 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
>> tool, use it for a job, then return it.
>
> Sometimes to different stores and demand a refund!
> Graham
>
When I worked at JCPenney as a teenager a woman brought in a pair of
blue jeans for a refund. The jeans had a Sears label stitched inside.
They'd obviously been worn. She insisted she bought them from Penney's
and demanded to talk with a manager. The manager made me give her
(IIRC) $10 for them. Really? Sorry, but the customer is NOT always
right. The woman gave me a smug look, like see? Yes, I see... you and
the manager are both idiots.

Jill

On 2015-07-20, jmcquown > wrote:

> Yes, I see... you and the manager are both idiots.

....and of the three of you, yer the one that ends up rankled. You
need to let it go. If Penny's considered it a win, why should you
care?

nb

On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>
> On 2015-07-20, jmcquown > wrote:
>
> > Yes, I see... you and the manager are both idiots.
>
> ...and of the three of you, yer the one that ends up rankled. You
> need to let it go. If Penny's considered it a win, why should you
> care?
>
> nb
>
>
She was just giving an example of people returning items to
get cash back without a receipt. And in this case the customer
was not even in the correct store. I don't think she has a
problem with it, but you do because she posted her example.

On 7/20/2015 4:55 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-07-20, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> Yes, I see... you and the manager are both idiots.
>
> ...and of the three of you, yer the one that ends up rankled. You
> need to let it go. If Penny's considered it a win, why should you
> care?
>
> nb
>

Stunts like that keep prices up for all of us. That is $10 less profit
the store made because of a scam.

On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 2:36:19 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/19/2015 9:29 PM, graham wrote:
> > On 19/07/2015 5:33 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
> >> tool, use it for a job, then return it.
> >
> > Sometimes to different stores and demand a refund!
> > Graham
> >
> When I worked at JCPenney as a teenager a woman brought in a pair of
> blue jeans for a refund. The jeans had a Sears label stitched inside.
> They'd obviously been worn. She insisted she bought them from Penney's
> and demanded to talk with a manager. The manager made me give her
> (IIRC) $10 for them. Really? Sorry, but the customer is NOT always
> right. The woman gave me a smug look, like see? Yes, I see... you and
> the manager are both idiots.
>
> Jill

Your manager was an idiot. He just didn't want to confront the
complainer and tell her to stick it.
The customer is not always right and it takes guts to face them down.
When I was in store management I found that some customers were
bloody crooks and I never gave in to their ploys to rip us off.
===

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:36:13 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 7/19/2015 9:29 PM, graham wrote:
> > On 19/07/2015 5:33 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
> >> tool, use it for a job, then return it.
> >
> > Sometimes to different stores and demand a refund!
> > Graham
> >
> When I worked at JCPenney as a teenager a woman brought in a pair of
> blue jeans for a refund. The jeans had a Sears label stitched inside.
> They'd obviously been worn. She insisted she bought them from Penney's
> and demanded to talk with a manager. The manager made me give her
> (IIRC) $10 for them. Really? Sorry, but the customer is NOT always
> right. The woman gave me a smug look, like see? Yes, I see... you and
> the manager are both idiots.
>

I think a lot of stores had that policy back in those days. I know
Macy's did.


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sf

On 7/20/2015 7:19 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:36:13 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/19/2015 9:29 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 19/07/2015 5:33 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
>>>> tool, use it for a job, then return it.
>>>
>>> Sometimes to different stores and demand a refund!
>>> Graham
>>>
>> When I worked at JCPenney as a teenager a woman brought in a pair of
>> blue jeans for a refund. The jeans had a Sears label stitched inside.
>> They'd obviously been worn. She insisted she bought them from Penney's
>> and demanded to talk with a manager. The manager made me give her
>> (IIRC) $10 for them. Really? Sorry, but the customer is NOT always
>> right. The woman gave me a smug look, like see? Yes, I see... you and
>> the manager are both idiots.
>>
>
> I think a lot of stores had that policy back in those days. I know
> Macy's did.
>
>
The silly thing is, all she had to do was walk down to Sears and they'd
likely have given her a refund.

Jill

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 5:59:23 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>
> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
> >
> > Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> > wine for a refund?
> >
> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
> refund agreement.
> Graham
>
>
Wellllll, there must be a lot of stores breaking those
'contracts' and many, many stores have refund/refund
agreements. And yes, I am talking about food stores.

On 7/19/2015 8:17 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 5:59:23 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>
>> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>> wine for a refund?
>>>
>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>> refund agreement.
>> Graham
>>
>>
> Wellllll, there must be a lot of stores breaking those
> 'contracts' and many, many stores have refund/refund
> agreements. And yes, I am talking about food stores.
>

Note he said unless there is an agreement. Some states require the
return/refund policy be posted in a conspicuous place

In article >, says...
>
> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
> >> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
> >> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
> >> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
> >> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
> >> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
> >> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
> >> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
> >> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
> >>
> >>
> > It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
> > had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
> >
> > Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> > wine for a refund?
> >
> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
> refund agreement.
> Graham

Wine/booze merchants here offer wine and beer for social events on a
"sale or return" basis, including free delivery, free ice and buckets,
free loan of glasses. You only pay for bottles that have been opened, or
broken glasses, and take back the rest.

https://www.majestic.co.uk/services/parties

Supermarkets won't do sale or return but many of them offer free loan
of glasses to customers who buy a party-quantity of booze.

Janet UK