It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
before that they were coming and a few that showed up.


The food worked out. My plan was to cook skewers. I did about 4 dozen
each of pork slouvaki, chicken Tandoori and chicken satay. All three
were a big hit. He had a cheese platter that was almost completely
eaten. The Brie went first. We did a Greek salad and a tossed salad.
There was an assortment of cold cuts and a bunch of white whole wheat
rolls. Also popular was melon and Prosciutto. I had lots of water melon,
cantaloupe, honeydew melon, strawberries, grapes and cherries.

I really overestimated the amount of wine we would need I had bought
two cases of white wine and a half case of red. No one had red. We went
through only 6 bottles of wine. Despite the "best wished only", there
were 15 gift bottles of wine brought. I had a case of lite beer and a
dozen real beers, a decent IPA. We only used about 3/4 of that. Thank
goodness the **** tank neighbour brought his own beer, and went home
twice to refill his cooler.

I have a water melon and a half leftover. This might be a good time to
make up some simple syrop and turn it into watermelon sherbet.

It was not quite as hot as I expected it to be, and thank goodness the
rain in the morning only lasted a half hour and then it was nice and
sunny. The last time we had a birthday party for her it was blistering hot.



Maybe we should be thinking about hosting a pot luck. We can provide the
wine and beer with the leftovers and not worry about preparing the food.
The unfortunate part of hosting a party is that you are so busy
preparing and serving food, and picking up plates, offering drinks etc
is that you don't get much opportunity to socialize.


Something to think about for dishes etc. It is surprisingly affordable
to rent. There is a party shop a couple miles from here and we rented
two 6ft. tables, four 48 inch tables, 20 folding chairs, 60 wine glasses
and 60 plates for about $85. We could have rented a tent, but a 10x10
tent would have cost $175. I asked a friend if he knew any other places
that rented tents. He said he had one he would loan me and said that
they had them on sale at Walmart for about $80. So I borrowed his and
bought one. I figured that even if it only lasted for one use it was
less than half the cost of renting. In fact, I loaned mine to my sister
in law last week for a showed, so it has already been used twice.

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>
>
It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.

Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
wine for a refund?

On 7/20/2015 3:39 AM, wrote:
> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
Prescott Bush was by no means unique, though his financial connections
with the Third Reich were perhaps more intimate than most. Henry Ford
was an avowed admirer of Hitler, and together GM and Ford played the
predominant role in producing the military trucks that carried German
troops across Europe. After the war, both auto companies demanded and
received reparations for damage to their German plants caused by allied
bombing.

Standard Oil and Chase Bank, both controlled by the Rockefellers,
invested heavily in Nazi Germany, as did many of Wall Street’s leading
brokerage houses. These business dealings continued after the war had
begun, with Standard Oil shipping fuel to the Nazis through Switzerland
as late as 1942 and collaborating with I.G. Farben, the firm that
manufactured Zyklon B gas for the Nazi death chambers and operated a
synthetic rubber plant using slave labor from Auschwitz.

In his book Trading with the Enemy: The Nazi American Money Plot, former
New York Times reporter Charles Higham noted that the US government
sought to cover up the role played by Prescott Bush and many other
leading US financiers and industrialists in supporting Hitler.

On 7/19/2015 1:14 PM, Acme Bully Control wrote:
> Prescott Bush was by no means unique

http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/henr...fficials-1938/

At a ceremony in Dearborn, Michigan, Henry Ford is presented with the
Grand Cross of the Supreme Order of the German Eagle on his 75th
birthday. Henry Ford is the first American recipient of this, an honor
created a year earlier by Adolf Hitler. This is the highest honor Nazi
Germany could give to any foreigner and represents Adolf Hitler’s
personal admiration and indebtedness to Henry Ford. The presentation is
made by Karl Kapp, German consul in Cleveland, and Fritz Heller, German
consular representative in Detroit. Ford is the only American mentioned
in Hitler’s book “Mein Kampf”.

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>
Maybe you should have invited the banana girl as a peace offering.


--Bryan

On 7/19/2015 1:39 PM, wrote:

>
> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> wine for a refund?
>

Return? Why not drink it?
It is probably good for another 2 years. Drinking 36 bottles over the
next 104 weeks in not much of a challenge. I have that much in my two
wine refrigerators. I keep 20 bottles of white at 47 degrees, 20
bottles of red at 57 degrees. Plus a few more cases for backup, but not
temperature controlled.

On 7/20/2015 7:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/19/2015 1:39 PM, wrote:
>
U.S. Senators and U.S. Reps were there with the good-looking female
prostitutes who would help get the congressmen and senators drunk on the
“VOODOO DRUG”, so when Daddy Bush, Dick Cheney, John Sununu and others
showed up at the party and the children in the limo arrived, the female
prostitutes left and the child sex party started with U.S. Vice
President George HW Bush, Richard Cheney, John Sununu and others showing
the VOODOO drunk congressmen and senators how to have sex raping
children,while the cameras were running. Someone pretending to be from
the White House would call the caretakers back at the hotel and would
tell them the children fell asleep and are staying the night here at the
White House and will be returned before lunch tomorrow.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 17:25:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 7/19/2015 1:39 PM, wrote:
>
> >
> > Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> > wine for a refund?
> >
>
> Return? Why not drink it?

I took back a bottle of wine to the grocery store once and found out
that the only two things they won't exchange or refund are wine and
baby food. YMMV



--

sf

On 7/20/2015 5:44 AM, Troll Disposal Service wrote:
> On 7/19/2015 1:14 PM, Acme Bully Control wrote:
>> Prescott Bush was by no means unique
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On 7/19/2015 1:12 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party.

>
> It was not quite as hot as I expected it to be, and thank goodness the
> rain in the morning only lasted a half hour and then it was nice and
> sunny. The last time we had a birthday party for her it was blistering hot.
>
>
>
> Maybe we should be thinking about hosting a pot luck. We can provide the
> wine and beer with the leftovers and not worry about preparing the food.
> The unfortunate part of hosting a party is that you are so busy
> preparing and serving food, and picking up plates, offering drinks etc
> is that you don't get much opportunity to socialize.
>
>
> Something to think about for dishes etc. It is surprisingly affordable
> to rent. There is a party shop a couple miles from here and we rented
> two 6ft. tables, four 48 inch tables, 20 folding chairs, 60 wine glasses
> and 60 plates for about $85. We could have rented a tent, but a 10x10
> tent would have cost $175.

It has been a very long time since we had a party. Only reason is we
are not up to the amount of work needed to do it, as you now know.
Sounds like you did good though.

The rental cost is quite reasonable. My guess is that the tent is high
because they set it up and take it down?

My wife's birthday is July also and to plan an outdoor event is risky
with heat. We go to a restaurant instead. This year she will have two
dinners. I take one of my co-workers out to dinner for her birthday
too, but I'm doing that Sunday and I'll take my wife again on her day,
Tuesday.

On 7/19/2015 3:32 PM, Troll Disposal Service wrote:
> U.S. Senators and U.S. Reps were there with the good-looking female
> prostitutes


http://www.trance-formation.com/

On 2015-07-19 1:39 PM, wrote:
>
>>
> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
It was fun and people seemed to enjoy themselves and the food.


> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> wine for a refund?

I could possible return it, but there might be some problems there. I
bought it as a local winery where my brother works and by a minimum two
cases and paying cash I got a 25% discount. That wine has decent wines
at excellent prices and I frequently pick up a case there. Our wine
racks had been running low. They are now fully restocked and some. I am
sure we will will be able to use it.

On 2015-07-19 5:35 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/19/2015 1:12 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party.
>
>>
>> It was not quite as hot as I expected it to be, and thank goodness the
>> rain in the morning only lasted a half hour and then it was nice and
>> sunny. The last time we had a birthday party for her it was blistering
>> hot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe we should be thinking about hosting a pot luck. We can provide the
>> wine and beer with the leftovers and not worry about preparing the food.
>> The unfortunate part of hosting a party is that you are so busy
>> preparing and serving food, and picking up plates, offering drinks etc
>> is that you don't get much opportunity to socialize.
>>
>>
>> Something to think about for dishes etc. It is surprisingly affordable
>> to rent. There is a party shop a couple miles from here and we rented
>> two 6ft. tables, four 48 inch tables, 20 folding chairs, 60 wine glasses
>> and 60 plates for about $85. We could have rented a tent, but a 10x10
>> tent would have cost $175.
>
> It has been a very long time since we had a party. Only reason is we
> are not up to the amount of work needed to do it, as you now know.
> Sounds like you did good though.
>
> The rental cost is quite reasonable. My guess is that the tent is high
> because they set it up and take it down?

I don't know if they set it up and take it down, but I would think that
it would be a higher quality tent that would be used over and over. I
won't count on mine lasting for years and years, but we certainly needed
something yesterday. Being able to buy one for half the price of the
rental and borrowing a second one was a bargoon that could not be beat.


>
> My wife's birthday is July also and to plan an outdoor event is risky
> with heat. We go to a restaurant instead. This year she will have two
> dinners. I take one of my co-workers out to dinner for her birthday
> too, but I'm doing that Sunday and I'll take my wife again on her day,
> Tuesday.


It is a bad time of year for a party. We had a big bash on her 50th and
it was hot and sticky. A bunch of her co-workers and their spouses
parked themselves in the shade and drank a lot of beer. One year we
stayed with her cousin in Stratford. It was stifling hot. We spent the
day going from one air conditioned store to another and then went back
to the house and sat in tub of cold water. It was hot and sticky
yesterday but on the near side of being too hot and sticky.

My birthday is in the middle of November. I can count on it snowing on
or before my birthday, so outdoor parties are out of the question.

On 2015-07-19 5:33 PM, sf wrote:

>
> I took back a bottle of wine to the grocery store once and found out
> that the only two things they won't exchange or refund are wine and
> baby food. YMMV

In another thread I addressed out LCBO. As I understand the liquor laws
and their policies, there are conditions under which who have to buy a
special occasion permit, and that would involve having a server who had
the "smart serve" certification. The permit costs $75. The only
advantage is that unopened bottles and cases (beer) can be returned.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 17:25:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/19/2015 1:39 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>> wine for a refund?
>>
>
>Return? Why not drink it?
>It is probably good for another 2 years. Drinking 36 bottles over the
>next 104 weeks in not much of a challenge. I have that much in my two
>wine refrigerators. I keep 20 bottles of white at 47 degrees, 20
>bottles of red at 57 degrees. Plus a few more cases for backup, but not
>temperature controlled.

I should get a wine refrigerator. I've taken to buying wine by the
case, not that I drink that much but I love having it around and I
always have it for cooking that way.

Maybe I'll look for a used one on Craigslist.

John Kuthe...

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-07-19 1:39 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>
>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
> It was fun and people seemed to enjoy themselves and the food.
>
>
>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>> wine for a refund?
>
> I could possible return it, but there might be some problems there. I
> bought it as a local winery where my brother works and by a minimum two
> cases and paying cash I got a 25% discount. That wine has decent wines at
> excellent prices and I frequently pick up a case there. Our wine racks
> had been running low. They are now fully restocked and some. I am sure we
> will will be able to use it.
>

throw another party!

On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>
>>
> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>
> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> wine for a refund?
>
When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
refund agreement.
Graham

--

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>
>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>
>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>> wine for a refund?
>>
>When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>refund agreement.

Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.

On 19/07/2015 11:12 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
> is to get people to RSVP

I've heard of weddings where such people turn up with their friends
expecting to be accommodated at the reception.
Graham

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>
>>>
>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>
>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>> wine for a refund?
>>
> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for refund
> agreement.

When you buy something, it is a contract. The contract may or may not have
express or implied right to return or warranties, and there are undoubtedly
state or case law on the warranties issue.

On 7/19/2015 7:10 PM, taxed and spent wrote:

>>>
>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>> wine for a refund?
>>>
>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for refund
>> agreement.
>
> When you buy something, it is a contract. The contract may or may not have
> express or implied right to return or warranties, and there are undoubtedly
> state or case law on the warranties issue.
>
>

Some stores offer liberal return policies, others not so much. One
factor is "fit for intended use" In many states there is no obligation
to take back a product that is not defective.

Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
tool, use it for a job, then return it.

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 4:25:55 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 7/19/2015 1:39 PM, wrote:
>
> >
> > Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> > wine for a refund?
> >
>
> Return? Why not drink it?
> It is probably good for another 2 years. Drinking 36 bottles over the
> next 104 weeks in not much of a challenge. I have that much in my two
> wine refrigerators. I keep 20 bottles of white at 47 degrees, 20
> bottles of red at 57 degrees. Plus a few more cases for backup, but not
> temperature controlled.
>
>
I was just thinking maybe he didn't want to have store that
much wine.

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 5:59:23 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>
> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
> >
> > Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> > wine for a refund?
> >
> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
> refund agreement.
> Graham
>
>
Wellllll, there must be a lot of stores breaking those
'contracts' and many, many stores have refund/refund
agreements. And yes, I am talking about food stores.

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 6:01:14 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
>
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
> >On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>
> >> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> >> wine for a refund?
> >>
> >When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
> >refund agreement.
>
> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>
>
He's just rattling on. The very, very few stores here that
do not have a return/refund policy don't last long. They'd
certainly not get my business if that is their policy.

On 7/20/2015 10:20 AM, wrote:
Vice-President Dick Cheney recently returned to the UFO capitol of the
world - Roswell, New Mexico. It was his first trip there since a visit
there during the waning days of the 2000 Presidential campaign.

During his first Roswell visit in late October 2000, newspapers reported,

"Cheney was greeted by a sign that depicted a little green man with
a heart and the name ‘Cheney’—as in ‘Space Aliens Love Cheney.’" Because
Cheney had been a former Secretary of Defense, many within the UFO
community speculated that the visit might have been a hint at an
upcoming UFO disclosure. Even the October 26, 2000 New York Times noted
the extraterrestrial significance of the Cheney stopover with its
headline "The Alien Factor: And Out in Roswell."

Another reason for the Ufological optimism was that the 2000 Roswell
visit by Cheney occurred shortly after the now infamous meeting between
presidential candidate George W. Bush and Arkansas native Charles
Huffer. It was during that July 2000 campaign encounter that Huffer
asked George Bush if he were elected President would he disclose,

"the truth about UFOs." Bush in reply stated "Sure. I will... It
will be the first thing he (pointing to Cheney) will do. He’ll get right
on it."

Therefore, when Cheney arrived in Roswell a few months later, many
thought it was a sign of positive things to come. Cheney, to the
disappointment of many UFO watchers, simply made his speech with no
mention of E.T.s or anything remotely close, and flew on to Wyoming.
Disclosure didn’t come, but the UFO hopefuls still remained optimistic.

The latest October 2002 visit by Cheney to Roswell also came with signs
that this too could be a nod and a wink to the UFO community. Instead of
speaking at the town hall as he had in 2000, Cheney chose to speak to
the 3,000 faithful inside Hanger 32 at the Roswell Industrial Air
Center. (Formally Roswell Army Air Field) This hanger, of course, is
just a hop and a skip down the tarmac from Hanger 84 where the Roswell
alien bodies were rumored to have been stored following the now famous
1947 Roswell weather balloon crash.

The most recent visit to the old Roswell Air Base also closely mimicked
the visit a fellow Republican, and former president, Ronald Reagan made
to the base for a campaign speech for then Senator Harrison Schmitt in
1982. Like Cheney, Reagan made a short stopover Roswell speech in late
October, just prior to the mid-term election.

Like the Cheney visits, the Reagan visit to the Roswell Air Base also
stirred up the UFO community, occurring only months after Steven
Spielberg had visited the White House and had given a private screening
of "E.T.: The Extraterrestrial" for Reagan and three dozen of his close
friends and colleagues. While giving his Roswell speech, Reagan always
prepared to play to the audience, even mentioned the popular "E.T." in
his speech.

On 7/20/2015 9:01 AM, graham wrote:
George HW Bush - a known Evil Pedophile - George HW Bush is a known
evil pedophile who ran a Congressional Blackmail Child Sex Ring during
the 1980s known as €œOperation Brownstone and Operation Brownstar€�, and
later to become known as €œThe Finders or The Franklin Coverup€�. U.S.
Vice President George HW Bush would sneak children over to Senator
Barney Franks condo, known as a €œBrownstone€� to their famous cocktail
parties, where U.S. Congressman and U.S. Senators €” some willing and
some unwilling participants €” got a taste of the €œVoodoo Drug€� in their
drink. To prove a case, you need one that was involved in an operation
or a witness or documents. In this case U.S. Customs documents prove
the case without getting anyone still living killed. Inside the (scribd)
document below is an article that appeared in US News and World report
on December 27 1993 entitled €œThrough a Glass Very Darkly€�. This
includes cops, spies and a very old investigation €” also copies of the
U.S. Customs Reports where the names are not blacked out.

On 7/19/2015 8:17 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 5:59:23 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>
>> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>> wine for a refund?
>>>
>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>> refund agreement.
>> Graham
>>
>>
> Wellllll, there must be a lot of stores breaking those
> 'contracts' and many, many stores have refund/refund
> agreements. And yes, I am talking about food stores.
>

Note he said unless there is an agreement. Some states require the
return/refund policy be posted in a conspicuous place

On 7/19/2015 5:01 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>>
>>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>>
>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>> wine for a refund?
>>>
>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>> refund agreement.
>
> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>


Well you can **** the Hell off and stay where you are, you xenophobic
critic.

On 7/19/2015 6:51 PM, Acme Bully Control wrote:
> It is my opinion
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> During his first Roswell
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> a known Evil Pedophile
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> On 7/19/2015 6:57 PM, Acme Bully Control wrote:
>> During his first Roswell
> Jethro FRAUD!
>
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On 19/07/2015 5:33 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/19/2015 7:10 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>>> wine for a refund?
>>>>
>>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>>> refund
>>> agreement.
>>
>> When you buy something, it is a contract. The contract may or may not
>> have
>> express or implied right to return or warranties, and there are
>> undoubtedly
>> state or case law on the warranties issue.
>>
>>
>
> Some stores offer liberal return policies, others not so much. One
> factor is "fit for intended use" In many states there is no obligation
> to take back a product that is not defective.
>
> Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
> tool, use it for a job, then return it.

Sometimes to different stores and demand a refund!
Graham

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On 19/07/2015 5:01 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>>
>>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>>
>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>> wine for a refund?
>>>
>> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>> refund agreement.
>
> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>
Actually, that's pretty well universal! That receipt has the force of a
contract. However, Sears' "Return if you are not satisfied for any
reason" policy has resulted in consumers assuming that they have free reign!
Small stores often won't refund but offer a credit note instead - but
they needn't!
Graham
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 09:01:05 +1000, Jeßus >
wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:59:20 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
>>>> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
>>>> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
>>>> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
>>>> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
>>>> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
>>>> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
>>>> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
>>>> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
>>>>
>>> It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
>>> had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
>>>
>>> Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
>>> wine for a refund?
>>>
>>When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
>>refund agreement.
>
>Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.

It is basically the same here. Retailers ony have to give refunds for
faulty goods or by prior agreement (think Target, KMart etc where it
is advertised policy). Most will offer exchanges for wrong sizes or
choices and some even if you just change your mind, although they are
not obligated to do so.

JB

On 2015-07-19 20:20, wrote:

>> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>>
>>
> He's just rattling on. The very, very few stores here that
> do not have a return/refund policy don't last long. They'd
> certainly not get my business if that is their policy.

Stores should stand behind the products they sell. If you buy a product
that fails to deliver they should offer a replacement or a refund. If,
OTOH, you want to return something because you don't really need it....
that would depend on the product. You can't order 2 pounds of meat from
your butcher and decide a day or two later that you don't need that much
and expect a refund.

In article >, says...
>
> On 19/07/2015 11:39 AM, wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> It was my wife's birthday yesterday and she had wanted a party. She
> >> looked after the invitations and my son and I looked after the rest.
> >> Holy cow it is a lot of work to plan a party. One of the hardest things
> >> is to get people to RSVP so that you know how much food to prepare and
> >> how much wine, beer and soft drinks to buy. She sent out more than 70
> >> invitations. Thank goodness there were a lot of people who were going to
> >> be away, had other plans or otherwise could not make it. We had 36
> >> accept and replied and a family of five that let us know the night
> >> before that they were coming and a few that showed up.
> >>
> >>
> > It sounds like a very nice party and everybody apparently
> > had a great time and enjoyed the food and drink.
> >
> > Can you return the red wine and the other case of white
> > wine for a refund?
> >
> When you buy something, it's a contract unless there's a return for
> refund agreement.
> Graham

Wine/booze merchants here offer wine and beer for social events on a
"sale or return" basis, including free delivery, free ice and buckets,
free loan of glasses. You only pay for bottles that have been opened, or
broken glasses, and take back the rest.

https://www.majestic.co.uk/services/parties

Supermarkets won't do sale or return but many of them offer free loan
of glasses to customers who buy a party-quantity of booze.

Janet UK

On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 22:21:42 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-07-19 20:20, wrote:
>
>>> Well, you have crap consumer laws over there if that's the case.
>>>
>>>
>> He's just rattling on. The very, very few stores here that
>> do not have a return/refund policy don't last long. They'd
>> certainly not get my business if that is their policy.
>
>Stores should stand behind the products they sell. If you buy a product
>that fails to deliver they should offer a replacement or a refund. If,
>OTOH, you want to return something because you don't really need it....
>that would depend on the product. You can't order 2 pounds of meat from
>your butcher and decide a day or two later that you don't need that much
>and expect a refund.
>

There will always be someone that will try to though. Most stores
have liberal return policies, but they do have to protect themselves a
bit. Food store will take back anything found to be spoiled.

Records, CDs, tapes, have never been returnable unless defective or
unopened. If they just took them back, people would watch the movie
or copy the CD and return it.

People do buy specialty tools, use them, return them. Pure abuse and
stealing from the retailer and we all pay for that.

To answer the original comment, there are plenty of laws in place to
protect the consumer if a product is defective. Stores can also
protect themselves from the abusers too.

On 2015-07-19 9:29 PM, graham wrote:

>> Some stores offer liberal return policies, others not so much. One
>> factor is "fit for intended use" In many states there is no obligation
>> to take back a product that is not defective.
>>
>> Returns cost us all money when abused. At home centers, people buy a
>> tool, use it for a job, then return it.
>
> Sometimes to different stores and demand a refund!

I was in a store a couple years ago where I guy was demanding a refund
and had no receipt and there was no tag on it. Some of us had to wait
in line for the duration of his argument. Then it turned out that the
store did not even carry that product.