This is a breath of fresh air
http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html

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sf

On 7/21/2015 9:31 AM, sf wrote:
>
> This is a breath of fresh air
> http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
>

Sounds reasonable, mostly. He mentions wine fridge though, a better
place than a 34 degree regular fridge.

They are still better eaten close to room tepmerature. Easy enough to
let them warm up a bit.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 06:31:12 -0700, sf > wrote:

>
>This is a breath of fresh air
>http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html

The cut tomatoes that are shown are not fully ripe tomatoes. My
home-picked tomatoes sit on the counter for many days and I have never
seen damage or rot spots as shown. To me it means poor handling
somewhere along the line or unclean handling. I can't address
tomatoes from a farm stand or such since I have never purchased any. I
also have never purchased tomatoes from a supermarket. I either have
tomatoes from my garden or in winter the Campari from Costco. My
experience with those does not tally with the article conclusions.
Janet US

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 10:27:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/21/2015 9:31 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>> This is a breath of fresh air
>> http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
>>
>
>Sounds reasonable, mostly. He mentions wine fridge though, a better
>place than a 34 degree regular fridge.
>
>They are still better eaten close to room tepmerature. Easy enough to
>let them warm up a bit.

I've discovered long ago that chilling vine ripened tomatoes
permanently destroys their flavor and texture. I went to that link's
web site, none of those pictures are of vine ripened field grown
tomatoes, those are all hydroponics, same as sold at stupidmarkets. I
harvest vine ripened tomatoes each summer and leave them on the
kitchen counter, eventually they will begin to rot but most will keep
well for up to a month, however it's rare I have any for more than a
week except at the very end of the growing season when I pick
everything before a frost comes down. The only vine ripened tomatoes
I refrigerate are those I've sliced and dressed with other veggies to
make salsa and made more than I can eat at one sitting.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 10:17:22 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/21/2015 9:31 AM, sf wrote:
> >
> > This is a breath of fresh air
> > http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
> >
>
> Sounds reasonable, mostly. He mentions wine fridge though, a better
> place than a 34 degree regular fridge.
>
> They are still better eaten close to room tepmerature. Easy enough to
> let them warm up a bit.

My kitchen is almost always close to 70 F, so I keep tomatoes on the
counter. Plus, I wouldn't have the patience to let them warm up.

Waiting impatiently (of course) for more tomatoes to ripen. The
German Johnson looks like I might have some in a couple of weeks,
but the San Marzano has quite a way to go. June was quite cool
here in Michigan.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:51:36 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 06:31:12 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>
>>This is a breath of fresh air
>>http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html

He makes some interesting points, but even store-bought tomatoes
bought fully ripe should last a few days without visible degradation,
unless they were bruised or punctured in transit.

My favorite store-boughts recently are the semi-packaged ones at TJ's,
full-size or "pearl" size still on the vine, in little cardboard
trays, not one in ten is damaged, and generally all stay good at least
four days after bringing home, major problem is delaying too long and
they get overripe, soft, or mealy.

Also relevant is how much air they get on the counter or in the
fridge, if you keep them in bags then the ethylene gas accelerates
ripening and spoilage, so it's a battle between keeping them a bit
protected and keeping the air moving.


>I also have never purchased tomatoes from a supermarket.

Never??? Does that include markets like TJ's? TJ's is pretty good on
fresh tomatoes, quality, selection, and price, maybe their best item
of produce.

J.

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> Harold McGee
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 10:02:02 -0700, JRStern >
wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:51:36 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 06:31:12 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>This is a breath of fresh air
>>>http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
>
>He makes some interesting points, but even store-bought tomatoes
>bought fully ripe should last a few days without visible degradation,
>unless they were bruised or punctured in transit.
>
>My favorite store-boughts recently are the semi-packaged ones at TJ's,
>full-size or "pearl" size still on the vine, in little cardboard
>trays, not one in ten is damaged, and generally all stay good at least
>four days after bringing home, major problem is delaying too long and
>they get overripe, soft, or mealy.
>
>Also relevant is how much air they get on the counter or in the
>fridge, if you keep them in bags then the ethylene gas accelerates
>ripening and spoilage, so it's a battle between keeping them a bit
>protected and keeping the air moving.
>
>
>>I also have never purchased tomatoes from a supermarket.
>
>Never??? Does that include markets like TJ's? TJ's is pretty good on
>fresh tomatoes, quality, selection, and price, maybe their best item
>of produce.

I never buy store bought either except occasionally those little grape
tomatoes but not when my own are coming in, I eat so many all summer
that I'm really not interested in tomatoes for the rest of the year,
other than canned I use for cooking. Before I'll buy supermarket
tomatoes I'd rather eat a can of whole skinless plum tomatoes... I
like them cold so always have a couple three cans in the fridge, I add
lots of fresh ground black pepper, a little salt, and a squeeze of
lemon... eaten directly from the can makes a good healthful snack.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 10:02:02 -0700, JRStern >
wrote:


snip
>
>>I also have never purchased tomatoes from a supermarket.
>
>Never??? Does that include markets like TJ's? TJ's is pretty good on
>fresh tomatoes, quality, selection, and price, maybe their best item
>of produce.
>
>J.
>
No. I grew up on home grown tomatoes and we just didn't have fresh
tomatoes during non-growing season. I followed the same practice
after I was out on my own and married.
Janet US

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 9:31:17 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> This is a breath of fresh air
> http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
>
> --
>
> sf

This seems to be a perennial issue ( Lord - let the shepherd pie debate NOT arise again) - all I've ever heard it that refrigeration wrecks flavor, which is why I never buy more than a few toms at a time. Once I cut part of it away, tho, into a Rubbermaid it goes and it eaten the next day.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 9:31:17 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > This is a breath of fresh air
> > http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> This seems to be a perennial issue ( Lord - let the shepherd pie debate NOT arise again) - all I've ever heard it that refrigeration wrecks flavor, which is why I never buy more than a few toms at a time. Once I cut part of it away, tho, into a Rubbermaid it goes and it eaten the next day.

If I went by the mantas I read here on rfc I'd never eat a tomato
ever, because I don't have a home garden. AFAIC, grocery store
tomatoes benefit from a couple of days on the counter - just like
peaches and pears do. After that, they go into the refrigerator. My
grandfather was the big gardener and he never preached about tomatoes,
only corn. AFAIC, corn is the same for me - maybe my grocery store
corn is fresher than most - I dunno. Give me a blind taste test of
grocery store vs garden corn and I doubt I could tell you which was
freshly picked, but what I *can* tell you is when it's overcooked.

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sf

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 12:23:54 PM UTC-5, Troll Disposal Service wrote:
> On 7/21/2015 11:00 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > Harold McGee
> **** off out of here FOREVER!
>
Haha. That's very unlikely to happen, and I like things that make you unhappy.

--Bryan

On 7/21/2015 4:13 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 12:23:54 PM UTC-5, Troll Disposal Service wrote:
>> On 7/21/2015 11:00 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> Harold McGee
>> **** off out of here FOREVER!
>>
> Haha. That's very unlikely to happen, and I like things that make you unhappy.
>
> --Bryan
>
Yes Bwyann, when it comes to outright negativity, you are without peers.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:36:04 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 9:31:17 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>> > This is a breath of fresh air
>> > http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > sf
>>
>> This seems to be a perennial issue ( Lord - let the shepherd pie debate NOT arise again) - all I've ever heard it that refrigeration wrecks flavor, which is why I never buy more than a few toms at a time. Once I cut part of it away, tho, into a Rubbermaid it goes and it eaten the next day.
>
>If I went by the mantas I read here on rfc I'd never eat a tomato
>ever, because I don't have a home garden. AFAIC, grocery store
>tomatoes benefit from a couple of days on the counter - just like
>peaches and pears do. After that, they go into the refrigerator. My
>grandfather was the big gardener and he never preached about tomatoes,
>only corn. AFAIC, corn is the same for me - maybe my grocery store
>corn is fresher than most - I dunno. Give me a blind taste test of
>grocery store vs garden corn and I doubt I could tell you which was
>freshly picked, but what I *can* tell you is when it's overcooked.

You don't cook garden corn, you heat it.
Janet US

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:51:36 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 06:31:12 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>
>>This is a breath of fresh air
>>http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
>
>The cut tomatoes that are shown are not fully ripe tomatoes. My
>home-picked tomatoes sit on the counter for many days and I have never
>seen damage or rot spots as shown. To me it means poor handling
>somewhere along the line or unclean handling. I can't address
>tomatoes from a farm stand or such since I have never purchased any. I
>also have never purchased tomatoes from a supermarket. I either have
>tomatoes from my garden or in winter the Campari from Costco. My
>experience with those does not tally with the article conclusions.
>Janet US

I would never refrigerate my tomatoes. Even if you let them come back
to room temp the loss of flavour is tangible.

In summer, when I have a glut, any that are getting to the soft stage
get chopped and frozen awaiting the next lot of tomato preserves.

In winter we can get excellent truss tomatoes of several different
varieties and I only buy enough each week to use. We like salads, even
in winter, and if they are looking like not getting used I will cook
them in something, make toasted sandwiches, slice them on toast etc
etc.

JB


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On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:54:47 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:36:04 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 9:31:17 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> >> > This is a breath of fresh air
> >> > http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > sf
> >>
> >> This seems to be a perennial issue ( Lord - let the shepherd pie debate NOT arise again) - all I've ever heard it that refrigeration wrecks flavor, which is why I never buy more than a few toms at a time. Once I cut part of it away, tho, into a Rubbermaid it goes and it eaten the next day.
> >
> >If I went by the mantas I read here on rfc I'd never eat a tomato
> >ever, because I don't have a home garden. AFAIC, grocery store
> >tomatoes benefit from a couple of days on the counter - just like
> >peaches and pears do. After that, they go into the refrigerator. My
> >grandfather was the big gardener and he never preached about tomatoes,
> >only corn. AFAIC, corn is the same for me - maybe my grocery store
> >corn is fresher than most - I dunno. Give me a blind taste test of
> >grocery store vs garden corn and I doubt I could tell you which was
> >freshly picked, but what I *can* tell you is when it's overcooked.
>
> You don't cook garden corn, you heat it.

Maybe you do.


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sf

On 7/21/2015 8:31 AM, sf wrote:
>
> This is a breath of fresh air
> http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
>
Thanks for posting this. I keep reading that tomatoes should not be
refrigerated, but I always store mine in the refrigerator. First,
because they seem to last longer that way; Second, because I prefer to
keep my counter clear except for items that are always kept "handy."
That allows more prep space.

MaryL

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:54:10 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 9:31:17 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>> > This is a breath of fresh air
>> > http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > sf
>>
>> This seems to be a perennial issue ( Lord - let the shepherd pie debate
>> NOT arise again) - all I've ever heard it that refrigeration wrecks
>> flavor, which is why I never buy more than a few toms at a time. Once I
>> cut part of it away, tho, into a Rubbermaid it goes and it eaten the
>> next day.
>
> If I went by the mantas I read here on rfc I'd never eat a tomato
> ever, because I don't have a home garden. AFAIC, grocery store
> tomatoes benefit from a couple of days on the counter - just like
> peaches and pears do. After that, they go into the refrigerator. My
> grandfather was the big gardener and he never preached about tomatoes,
> only corn. AFAIC, corn is the same for me - maybe my grocery store
> corn is fresher than most - I dunno. Give me a blind taste test of
> grocery store vs garden corn and I doubt I could tell you which was
> freshly picked, but what I *can* tell you is when it's overcooked.

I always refrigerate mine. I have tried leaving them out. They just rot in
a couple of days and I don't think the texture is any better.

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 9:31:17 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> This is a breath of fresh air
> http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
>
> --
>
> sf

Ha! What a neat article. I always thought tomatoes would lose their nutrients by refridgeration, but I never personally noticed the taste difference either... Thanks for sharing :-)

"Trish C" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 9:31:17 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>> This is a breath of fresh air
>> http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> Ha! What a neat article. I always thought tomatoes would lose their
> nutrients by refridgeration, but I never personally noticed the taste
> difference either... Thanks for sharing :-)

Maybe it's what we are used to. If we get tomatoes from a salad bar or in a
restaurant, they likely will have been refrigerated.

The only time that I did notice a difference in taste was then I had a
countertop chiller thingie. I can't remember the name of it. It was oval
shaped with a clear lid. Said it could be used for marinating meats or
keeping fruits and vegetables fresh. It did chill but not as cold as the
refrigerator does and it had some sort of air circulation and humidity
control. Worked like a dream for about two months then died. Have not been
able to find anything like it since. I did see some online reviews of the
product and I was one of the lucky ones. Most people had theirs die after
only a week or two of use.

I loved it because even though it did take up some counter space, it freed
up some fridge space and we were more likely to eat the easily visible
contents of it.

I found a similar looking unit that claimed to keep produce fresh for longer
but didn't have the claim of marinating. It flat out did not work and if
anything, rotted stuff faster. It did not have the chilling effect but it
did do air circulation.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 02:53:37 -0700 (PDT), Trish C
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 at 9:31:17 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > This is a breath of fresh air
> > http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/w...-tomatoes.html
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> Ha! What a neat article. I always thought tomatoes would lose their nutrients by refridgeration, but I never personally noticed the taste difference either... Thanks for sharing :-)

YW

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sf