"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:52:16 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>
> snip
>>Kalette:
>>
>>" A British-bred cross between Brussels sprouts and kale, the kalette is
>>making waves in the US"
>>
>>" The same product was launched in the UK back in 2010, marketed as
>>"flower
>>sprouts", yet they went largely unnoticed until the US release in October"
>>
>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddr...ettes-now.html
>>
>>Seems they are seasonal so we won't see any until November. I hope I can
>>get seed for next year.
>
> Thanks for posting that link. I've passed it on to my friends.

Do report if you get any feedback? I just ordered some seeds from Amazon
(uk) so hopefully I can sow some of my own

I know they started in UK but I had never heard of them until I read about
them here!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:18:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:

snip
>
> Probably tutored by Julie, the Mensamistress of "I don't know what
>that word means"
>
> Janet

That phrase is simply an artful way of diverting an argument.
Janet US

On 7/22/2015 11:46 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:27:55 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/22/2015 5:45 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:23:04 -1000, dsi1
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 3:48 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:42:06 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 2:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's a big difference between natural selection and genetic
>>>>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There ain't nothing natural about the fruits that are available in the
>>>>>>>> supermarket. Nobody should ever call it "natural selection." It simply
>>>>>>>> is not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said all store bought fruits and vegetables are genetically
>>>>>>> modified. Do you really think that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you check out wild plants, their fruits are typically tiny. There's
>>>>>> probably some reason why nature does this but mostly, that ain't
>>>>>> commercial grade food. My guess is that all our livestock that produce
>>>>>> meats and other products are bred for characteristics men want. Most of
>>>>>> our dogs and cats are totally genetically modified - they are
>>>>>> abominations of nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Genetic modification has been around for thousands of years - it's
>>>>>> probably our oldest science. One thing is for sure, mankind will never.
>>>>>> quit messing around with the genes of the plants and animals that he
>>>>>> lives with - that's in our genes.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would help if you read the first paragraph of this:
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise you'll keep repeating the same misunderstanding with
>>>>> everybody you talk to.
>>>>>
>>>> I disagree that genetic modification and genetic engineering is the same thing.
>>>> So let's just say you're talking about genetic engineering. As it goes, all our
>>>> foods have been genetically modified. Some of it has been genetically engineered.
>>>
>>> So whenever you see GM or non-GM on a food item, you completely
>>> misunderstand what they're saying.
>>>
>>
>> Dr. Aloha understands everything. My point is simple: the world would be
>> a very strange place if man did not modify plants and animals
>> genetically to suit his needs. If man completely disappeared, much of
>> the plants and animals would turn into things foreign to us in a short
>> period.
>
> What a load of absolute gibberish. I hope for your sake that your
> persona on Usenet is all an act.
>
I hope someone rams a poleaxe through your face!

On 7/23/2015 1:15 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:27:55 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/22/2015 5:45 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:23:04 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 3:48 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:42:06 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 2:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's a big difference between natural selection and genetic
>>>>>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There ain't nothing natural about the fruits that are available in the
>>>>>>>>> supermarket. Nobody should ever call it "natural selection." It simply
>>>>>>>>> is not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You said all store bought fruits and vegetables are genetically
>>>>>>>> modified. Do you really think that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you check out wild plants, their fruits are typically tiny. There's
>>>>>>> probably some reason why nature does this but mostly, that ain't
>>>>>>> commercial grade food. My guess is that all our livestock that produce
>>>>>>> meats and other products are bred for characteristics men want. Most of
>>>>>>> our dogs and cats are totally genetically modified - they are
>>>>>>> abominations of nature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Genetic modification has been around for thousands of years - it's
>>>>>>> probably our oldest science. One thing is for sure, mankind will never.
>>>>>>> quit messing around with the genes of the plants and animals that he
>>>>>>> lives with - that's in our genes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would help if you read the first paragraph of this:
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otherwise you'll keep repeating the same misunderstanding with
>>>>>> everybody you talk to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree that genetic modification and genetic engineering is the same thing.
>>>>> So let's just say you're talking about genetic engineering. As it goes, all our
>>>>> foods have been genetically modified. Some of it has been genetically engineered.
>>>>
>>>> So whenever you see GM or non-GM on a food item, you completely
>>>> misunderstand what they're saying.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Aloha understands everything. My point is simple: the world would be
>>> a very strange place if man did not modify plants and animals
>>> genetically to suit his needs. If man completely disappeared, much of
>>> the plants and animals would turn into things foreign to us in a short
>>> period.
>>>
>>> Aloha!
>>
>> Let's both pretend Mr Aloha wasn't wrong. You'll sleep better
>>
>> --
>> Bruce
>
> What part don't you understand? I merely state facts.
>


Well...THAT was your first mistake!

;-)

On 7/23/2015 1:25 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:15:10 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:27:55 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/22/2015 5:45 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:23:04 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 3:48 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:42:06 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 2:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>>>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>>>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>>>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's a big difference between natural selection and genetic
>>>>>>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There ain't nothing natural about the fruits that are available in the
>>>>>>>>>> supermarket. Nobody should ever call it "natural selection." It simply
>>>>>>>>>> is not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You said all store bought fruits and vegetables are genetically
>>>>>>>>> modified. Do you really think that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you check out wild plants, their fruits are typically tiny. There's
>>>>>>>> probably some reason why nature does this but mostly, that ain't
>>>>>>>> commercial grade food. My guess is that all our livestock that produce
>>>>>>>> meats and other products are bred for characteristics men want. Most of
>>>>>>>> our dogs and cats are totally genetically modified - they are
>>>>>>>> abominations of nature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Genetic modification has been around for thousands of years - it's
>>>>>>>> probably our oldest science. One thing is for sure, mankind will never.
>>>>>>>> quit messing around with the genes of the plants and animals that he
>>>>>>>> lives with - that's in our genes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would help if you read the first paragraph of this:
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Otherwise you'll keep repeating the same misunderstanding with
>>>>>>> everybody you talk to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I disagree that genetic modification and genetic engineering is the same thing.
>>>>>> So let's just say you're talking about genetic engineering. As it goes, all our
>>>>>> foods have been genetically modified. Some of it has been genetically engineered.
>>>>>
>>>>> So whenever you see GM or non-GM on a food item, you completely
>>>>> misunderstand what they're saying.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Aloha understands everything. My point is simple: the world would be
>>>> a very strange place if man did not modify plants and animals
>>>> genetically to suit his needs. If man completely disappeared, much of
>>>> the plants and animals would turn into things foreign to us in a short
>>>> period.
>>>>
>>>> Aloha!
>>>
>>> Let's both pretend Mr Aloha wasn't wrong. You'll sleep better
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bruce
>>
>> What part don't you understand? I merely state facts.
>
> It's alright, Mr Aloha
>

You need to be ground into cat food, you auzzie shitbag!

On 7/23/2015 1:35 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>
>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
>
> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
>

Bbbuttt... the telescope will increase the number of car trips up and
down the mountain and thereby ruin the environment through local global
warming.

Jeez dude, don't you get the scale of the degradation???

;-)

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
> > > and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
> > > and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
> > > produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
> > > numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
> >
> > There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
> > genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
>
> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.

The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.

--

sf

On 7/23/2015 5:07 AM, wrote:
>> I don't think that's gone up much.
> But I don't shop in the USA!

GOOD!

Stay the **** out, biotch!

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:12:12 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> On 7/23/2015 1:35 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
> >>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
> >>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
> >>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
> >>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
> >>
> >> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
> >> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> sf
> >
> > In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
> >
> > New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
> >
>
> Bbbuttt... the telescope will increase the number of car trips up and
> down the mountain and thereby ruin the environment through local global
> warming.
>
> Jeez dude, don't you get the scale of the degradation???
>
> ;-)

Beats the heck out of me why they chose this particular telescope to rally around. It's a mystery. As far as the papaya goes, it pretty much saved growers from a papaya blight and brought a new and tasty product to market that's magically delicious. What bad could come of that?

On 7/23/2015 8:16 AM, Janet wrote:
>> >Genetic modification has been around for thousands of years
> No, it has not.
>
> Janet UK
>


About when do you think common or garden variety per dogs were first bred?

You ignorant twiddle!

On 7/23/2015 8:18 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> lid says...
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:15:31 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>
>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
>>
>> Didn't you know Mr Aloha uses his own definitions of these terms?
>
> Probably tutored by Julie, the Mensamistress of "I don't know what
> that word means"
>
> Janet
>
**** OFF WITH YOUR BULLYING, BIOTCH!

On 7/24/2015 3:30 AM, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> On 7/23/2015 8:18 AM, Janet wrote:
>> Janet
>>
> **** OFF WITH YOUR BULLYING, BIOTCH!
Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD!


No one cares about you.

Get OUT!


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On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
> > > > and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
> > > > and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
> > > > produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
> > > > numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
> > >
> > > There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
> > > genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > sf
> >
> > In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
> >
> > New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
>
> The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
> Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
> lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
>
> --
>
> sf

Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.

On 7/23/2015 11:23 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:12:12 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>> On 7/23/2015 1:35 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>
>>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
>>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> sf
>>>
>>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
>>>
>>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
>>>
>>
>> Bbbuttt... the telescope will increase the number of car trips up and
>> down the mountain and thereby ruin the environment through local global
>> warming.
>>
>> Jeez dude, don't you get the scale of the degradation???
>>
>> ;-)
>
> Beats the heck out of me why they chose this particular telescope to rally around. It's a mystery. As far as the papaya goes, it pretty much saved growers from a papaya blight and brought a new and tasty product to market that's magically delicious. What bad could come of that?
>
I don't know, really.

Maybe the papayas unionize and take over the telescope and...

%-)

On 7/23/2015 11:34 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>
>>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
>>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> sf
>>>
>>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
>>>
>>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
>>
>> The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
>> Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
>> lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.
>
The phenomenon of so-called "terminator seeds" will do that to one.

The issue isn't cost/benefit, it's what gets lost beneath a given price
point movement.

I mix Dawn dish liquid into my Roundup so it stays on the weeds longer.

Sure works too.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:35:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 12:01:16 AM UTC-4, Golden One wrote:
>> Further to the thread on Kale, my local grocery store is now carrying
>> Kalettes, see
>> http://www.medibank.com.au/bemagazin...outs-kalettes/
>>
>> I will try them although I detest Kale and am not keen on Brussel
>> sprouts. Who knows, they may be different enough that I will like
>> them.
>>
>> I didn't take note of the price although I suspect they will be
>> expensive.
>>
>> JB
>
>
>
>Kale has more lutein for our eyes and more vit K than any other veggie.

How about oxalates? I seem to find mixed reports on that, varies a
lot by type.

J.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:34:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
> > Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
> > lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
> >
>
> Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.

The main chemical in Roundup is glyphosate. Look up glyphosate
poisoning.

--

sf

Spinach has a lot more oxalates than kale does.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> On 7/23/2015 11:34 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
> >>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
> >>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
> >>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
> >>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
> >>>>
> >>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
> >>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> sf
> >>>
> >>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
> >>>
> >>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
> >>
> >> The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
> >> Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
> >> lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> sf
> >
> > Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.
> >
> The phenomenon of so-called "terminator seeds" will do that to one.
>
> The issue isn't cost/benefit, it's what gets lost beneath a given price
> point movement.
>
> I mix Dawn dish liquid into my Roundup so it stays on the weeds longer.
>
> Sure works too.

I have never heard of mixing soap with Roundup. That's interesting. I don't use the stuff myself. I have to pull weeds.

On 7/23/2015 1:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>> On 7/23/2015 11:34 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
>>>>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sf
>>>>>
>>>>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
>>>>
>>>> The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
>>>> Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
>>>> lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> sf
>>>
>>> Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.
>>>
>> The phenomenon of so-called "terminator seeds" will do that to one.
>>
>> The issue isn't cost/benefit, it's what gets lost beneath a given price
>> point movement.
>>
>> I mix Dawn dish liquid into my Roundup so it stays on the weeds longer.
>>
>> Sure works too.
>
> I have never heard of mixing soap with Roundup. That's interesting. I don't use the stuff myself. I have to pull weeds.

It's a tried and true technique.

If I'm making a gallon of weed spray I'll use 6TBSP of Roundup and 2TBSP
of Dawn.

I add the Dawn at the end so it doesn't foam up the sprayer.

So how come you have to pull by hand?

That sounds a bit punitive.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 8:33:07 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:34:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> > > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
> > > Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
> > > lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
> > >
> >
> > Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.
>
> The main chemical in Roundup is glyphosate. Look up glyphosate
> poisoning.
>
> --
>
> sf

Lots of things are poisonous. Roundup is almost a perfect herbicide because it's not very toxic to animals and it breaks down quite fast. Ethylene glycol is pretty toxic stuff but that doesn't stop most people from using it in their car's radiator. I'm not sure with the problem is.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:46:14 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> On 7/23/2015 11:23 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:12:12 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> >> On 7/23/2015 1:35 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
> >>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
> >>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
> >>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
> >>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
> >>>>
> >>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
> >>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> sf
> >>>
> >>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
> >>>
> >>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Bbbuttt... the telescope will increase the number of car trips up and
> >> down the mountain and thereby ruin the environment through local global
> >> warming.
> >>
> >> Jeez dude, don't you get the scale of the degradation???
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >
> > Beats the heck out of me why they chose this particular telescope to rally around. It's a mystery. As far as the papaya goes, it pretty much saved growers from a papaya blight and brought a new and tasty product to market that's magically delicious. What bad could come of that?
> >
> I don't know, really.
>
> Maybe the papayas unionize and take over the telescope and...
>
> %-)

Mostly they speak for the dead Hawaiians. Oh well.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:22:20 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> On 7/23/2015 1:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> >> On 7/23/2015 11:34 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
> >>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
> >>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
> >>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
> >>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
> >>>>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> sf
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
> >>>>
> >>>> The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
> >>>> Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
> >>>> lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> sf
> >>>
> >>> Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.
> >>>
> >> The phenomenon of so-called "terminator seeds" will do that to one.
> >>
> >> The issue isn't cost/benefit, it's what gets lost beneath a given price
> >> point movement.
> >>
> >> I mix Dawn dish liquid into my Roundup so it stays on the weeds longer..
> >>
> >> Sure works too.
> >
> > I have never heard of mixing soap with Roundup. That's interesting. I don't use the stuff myself. I have to pull weeds.
>
> It's a tried and true technique.
>
> If I'm making a gallon of weed spray I'll use 6TBSP of Roundup and 2TBSP
> of Dawn.
>
> I add the Dawn at the end so it doesn't foam up the sprayer.
>
> So how come you have to pull by hand?
>
> That sounds a bit punitive.

I own only a couple of small patches of earth. One is dry and barren. The other will grow anything that's put in it. I should grow some basil on that patch. That would be very nice.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>> On 7/23/2015 11:34 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>> >>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>> >>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>> >>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>> >>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>> >>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
>> >>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> sf
>> >>>
>> >>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
>> >>>
>> >>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
>> >>
>> >> The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
>> >> Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
>> >> lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> sf
>> >
>> > Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.
>> >
>> The phenomenon of so-called "terminator seeds" will do that to one.
>>
>> The issue isn't cost/benefit, it's what gets lost beneath a given price
>> point movement.
>>
>> I mix Dawn dish liquid into my Roundup so it stays on the weeds longer.
>>
>> Sure works too.
>
>I have never heard of mixing soap with Roundup. That's interesting. I don't use the stuff myself. I have to pull weeds.

Professionals either add a surfactant when mixing their liquid
fertilizers or weed controls or their products come with a surfactant
in them. Liquid soap does essentially the same thing.
Janet US

GMOs are not the same as hybrids.

The main problem with GMOs is that our bodies MAY not know what to do with them.

N.

On 7/23/2015 1:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:46:14 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>> On 7/23/2015 11:23 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:12:12 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>>>> On 7/23/2015 1:35 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
>>>>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sf
>>>>>
>>>>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bbbuttt... the telescope will increase the number of car trips up and
>>>> down the mountain and thereby ruin the environment through local global
>>>> warming.
>>>>
>>>> Jeez dude, don't you get the scale of the degradation???
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Beats the heck out of me why they chose this particular telescope to rally around. It's a mystery. As far as the papaya goes, it pretty much saved growers from a papaya blight and brought a new and tasty product to market that's magically delicious. What bad could come of that?
>>>
>> I don't know, really.
>>
>> Maybe the papayas unionize and take over the telescope and...
>>
>> %-)
>
> Mostly they speak for the dead Hawaiians. Oh well.
>

I thought Greg Brady was doing that... 5-0

On 7/23/2015 1:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:22:20 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>> On 7/23/2015 1:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>>>> On 7/23/2015 11:34 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
>>>>>>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
>>>>>> Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
>>>>>> lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sf
>>>>>
>>>>> Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.
>>>>>
>>>> The phenomenon of so-called "terminator seeds" will do that to one.
>>>>
>>>> The issue isn't cost/benefit, it's what gets lost beneath a given price
>>>> point movement.
>>>>
>>>> I mix Dawn dish liquid into my Roundup so it stays on the weeds longer.
>>>>
>>>> Sure works too.
>>>
>>> I have never heard of mixing soap with Roundup. That's interesting. I don't use the stuff myself. I have to pull weeds.
>>
>> It's a tried and true technique.
>>
>> If I'm making a gallon of weed spray I'll use 6TBSP of Roundup and 2TBSP
>> of Dawn.
>>
>> I add the Dawn at the end so it doesn't foam up the sprayer.
>>
>> So how come you have to pull by hand?
>>
>> That sounds a bit punitive.
>
> I own only a couple of small patches of earth. One is dry and barren. The other will grow anything that's put in it. I should grow some basil on that patch. That would be very nice.
>
Basil...or...maybe rosemary?

I bet that's not all that popular on your rock, am I right?

On 7/23/2015 1:38 PM, Janet B wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>>> On 7/23/2015 11:34 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
>>>>>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
>>>>> Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
>>>>> lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> sf
>>>>
>>>> Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.
>>>>
>>> The phenomenon of so-called "terminator seeds" will do that to one.
>>>
>>> The issue isn't cost/benefit, it's what gets lost beneath a given price
>>> point movement.
>>>
>>> I mix Dawn dish liquid into my Roundup so it stays on the weeds longer.
>>>
>>> Sure works too.
>>
>> I have never heard of mixing soap with Roundup. That's interesting. I don't use the stuff myself. I have to pull weeds.
>
> Professionals either add a surfactant when mixing their liquid
> fertilizers or weed controls or their products come with a surfactant
> in them. Liquid soap does essentially the same thing.
> Janet US
>

Ding!

Nailed it.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:39:45 AM UTC-10, Nancy2 wrote:
> GMOs are not the same as hybrids.
>
> The main problem with GMOs is that our bodies MAY not know what to do with them.
>
> N.

There's a lot of non-GMO foods out there that our bodies MAY not know what to do with too. There may be some insidious hidden danger with GMO foods but that remains to be proven. What is proven that we're able to feed more people because of these highly effective techniques.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:42:40 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> On 7/23/2015 1:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:22:20 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> >> On 7/23/2015 1:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> >>>> On 7/23/2015 11:34 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
> >>>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
> >>>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
> >>>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
> >>>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism..
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
> >>>>>>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> sf
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
> >>>>>> Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
> >>>>>> lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> sf
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.
> >>>>>
> >>>> The phenomenon of so-called "terminator seeds" will do that to one.
> >>>>
> >>>> The issue isn't cost/benefit, it's what gets lost beneath a given price
> >>>> point movement.
> >>>>
> >>>> I mix Dawn dish liquid into my Roundup so it stays on the weeds longer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sure works too.
> >>>
> >>> I have never heard of mixing soap with Roundup. That's interesting. I don't use the stuff myself. I have to pull weeds.
> >>
> >> It's a tried and true technique.
> >>
> >> If I'm making a gallon of weed spray I'll use 6TBSP of Roundup and 2TBSP
> >> of Dawn.
> >>
> >> I add the Dawn at the end so it doesn't foam up the sprayer.
> >>
> >> So how come you have to pull by hand?
> >>
> >> That sounds a bit punitive.
> >
> > I own only a couple of small patches of earth. One is dry and barren. The other will grow anything that's put in it. I should grow some basil on that patch. That would be very nice.
> >
> Basil...or...maybe rosemary?
>
> I bet that's not all that popular on your rock, am I right?

A Vietnamese guy kept some plants in the parking lot. They were lush, green, and fragrant. Hoo boy! They were so beautiful that I would have to run my hand on them when I walked pass Then one day, they were gone. Now there's a scraggly area of dirt and weeds. This place sucks!

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:09:29 -0600, "Dr. Edward Morbius"
> wrote:

>On 7/23/2015 1:25 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:15:10 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:27:55 -1000, dsi1
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/22/2015 5:45 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:23:04 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 3:48 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:42:06 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 2:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a big difference between natural selection and genetic
>>>>>>>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There ain't nothing natural about the fruits that are available in the
>>>>>>>>>>> supermarket. Nobody should ever call it "natural selection." It simply
>>>>>>>>>>> is not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You said all store bought fruits and vegetables are genetically
>>>>>>>>>> modified. Do you really think that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you check out wild plants, their fruits are typically tiny. There's
>>>>>>>>> probably some reason why nature does this but mostly, that ain't
>>>>>>>>> commercial grade food. My guess is that all our livestock that produce
>>>>>>>>> meats and other products are bred for characteristics men want. Most of
>>>>>>>>> our dogs and cats are totally genetically modified - they are
>>>>>>>>> abominations of nature.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Genetic modification has been around for thousands of years - it's
>>>>>>>>> probably our oldest science. One thing is for sure, mankind will never.
>>>>>>>>> quit messing around with the genes of the plants and animals that he
>>>>>>>>> lives with - that's in our genes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would help if you read the first paragraph of this:
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Otherwise you'll keep repeating the same misunderstanding with
>>>>>>>> everybody you talk to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree that genetic modification and genetic engineering is the same thing.
>>>>>>> So let's just say you're talking about genetic engineering. As it goes, all our
>>>>>>> foods have been genetically modified. Some of it has been genetically engineered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So whenever you see GM or non-GM on a food item, you completely
>>>>>> misunderstand what they're saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Aloha understands everything. My point is simple: the world would be
>>>>> a very strange place if man did not modify plants and animals
>>>>> genetically to suit his needs. If man completely disappeared, much of
>>>>> the plants and animals would turn into things foreign to us in a short
>>>>> period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aloha!
>>>>
>>>> Let's both pretend Mr Aloha wasn't wrong. You'll sleep better
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> What part don't you understand? I merely state facts.
>>
>> It's alright, Mr Aloha
>>
>
>You need to be ground into cat food, you auzzie shitbag!

Yo, douchebag, lay off the cats.

On 7/23/2015 1:59 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:42:40 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>> On 7/23/2015 1:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 9:22:20 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>>>> On 7/23/2015 1:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:49:05 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/23/2015 11:34 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:35:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 7:15:38 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's a big difference between the selective breeding process and
>>>>>>>>>> genetically modifying organisms in a lab.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the end, the goals are all the same - to produce a better dog or fruit or flower. We could create monsters but a Dalmatian or a modern turkey could be considered monstrosities. We don't consider them as such but undoubtedly they are most unlikely creatures.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> New technology always frightens people - the GMO hysteria is no different. As it goes, the new trend in the country is to distrust science and technology. The Hawaiians are up in arms about the genetically engineered sunrise papaya and a new telescope on the big island. I can't say what the problem is with building a telescope on a mountain full of telescopes but the papaya is just wonderfully tasty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The main objection to GMO plants is the use of the main chemical in
>>>>>>>> Roundup. I think a lot of latecomers to the bandwagon have either
>>>>>>>> lost touch with that or never knew it in the first place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roundup works by interfering with the process of photosynthesis in plants. I don't think roundup is much of a problem health-wise. Its benefits to mankind has been great. Agent Orange it ain't. Even DDT has saved countless lives. In the end, you have to weigh the benefits against the problems. This groups likes to see only problems. I think the whole world is turning fearful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The phenomenon of so-called "terminator seeds" will do that to one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The issue isn't cost/benefit, it's what gets lost beneath a given price
>>>>>> point movement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mix Dawn dish liquid into my Roundup so it stays on the weeds longer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure works too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never heard of mixing soap with Roundup. That's interesting. I don't use the stuff myself. I have to pull weeds.
>>>>
>>>> It's a tried and true technique.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm making a gallon of weed spray I'll use 6TBSP of Roundup and 2TBSP
>>>> of Dawn.
>>>>
>>>> I add the Dawn at the end so it doesn't foam up the sprayer.
>>>>
>>>> So how come you have to pull by hand?
>>>>
>>>> That sounds a bit punitive.
>>>
>>> I own only a couple of small patches of earth. One is dry and barren. The other will grow anything that's put in it. I should grow some basil on that patch. That would be very nice.
>>>
>> Basil...or...maybe rosemary?
>>
>> I bet that's not all that popular on your rock, am I right?
>
> A Vietnamese guy kept some plants in the parking lot. They were lush, green, and fragrant. Hoo boy! They were so beautiful that I would have to run my hand on them when I walked pass Then one day, they were gone. Now there's a scraggly area of dirt and weeds. This place sucks!
>
Sad tale.

Someone must have had a LOT of lamb to cook up...

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:55:14 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:35:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 12:01:16 AM UTC-4, Golden One wrote:
> >> Further to the thread on Kale, my local grocery store is now carrying
> >> Kalettes, see
> >> http://www.medibank.com.au/bemagazin...outs-kalettes/
> >>
> >> I will try them although I detest Kale and am not keen on Brussel
> >> sprouts. Who knows, they may be different enough that I will like
> >> them.
> >>
> >> I didn't take note of the price although I suspect they will be
> >> expensive.
> >>
> >> JB
> >
> >
> >
> >Kale has more lutein for our eyes and more vit K than any other veggie.
>
> How about oxalates? I seem to find mixed reports on that, varies a
> lot by type.
>
> J.

Taro has so much calcium oxalate shards in it that it's inedible unless you boil the corm and the leaves for quite a while. Beats the heck out of me how the old Hawaiians prepared taro for poi because they didn't have pots to boil taro.

On 7/23/2015 2:09 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:09:29 -0600, "Dr. Edward Morbius"
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/23/2015 1:25 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:15:10 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:27:55 -1000, dsi1
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 5:45 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 4:31:28 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:23:04 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 3:48 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:42:06 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/22/2015 2:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:47:19 -1000, dsi1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, all fruits and vegetables in the stores are "designer"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and created to be bigger and/or grow faster and/or be nicer looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and/or tastier and/or resistant to bugs and diseases. Nobody sells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce that wasn't designed to be sold in mass quantities to large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers of people. "Designer" = Genetically Modified Organism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a big difference between natural selection and genetic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There ain't nothing natural about the fruits that are available in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> supermarket. Nobody should ever call it "natural selection." It simply
>>>>>>>>>>>> is not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You said all store bought fruits and vegetables are genetically
>>>>>>>>>>> modified. Do you really think that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you check out wild plants, their fruits are typically tiny. There's
>>>>>>>>>> probably some reason why nature does this but mostly, that ain't
>>>>>>>>>> commercial grade food. My guess is that all our livestock that produce
>>>>>>>>>> meats and other products are bred for characteristics men want. Most of
>>>>>>>>>> our dogs and cats are totally genetically modified - they are
>>>>>>>>>> abominations of nature.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Genetic modification has been around for thousands of years - it's
>>>>>>>>>> probably our oldest science. One thing is for sure, mankind will never.
>>>>>>>>>> quit messing around with the genes of the plants and animals that he
>>>>>>>>>> lives with - that's in our genes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would help if you read the first paragraph of this:
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Otherwise you'll keep repeating the same misunderstanding with
>>>>>>>>> everybody you talk to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I disagree that genetic modification and genetic engineering is the same thing.
>>>>>>>> So let's just say you're talking about genetic engineering. As it goes, all our
>>>>>>>> foods have been genetically modified. Some of it has been genetically engineered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So whenever you see GM or non-GM on a food item, you completely
>>>>>>> misunderstand what they're saying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Aloha understands everything. My point is simple: the world would be
>>>>>> a very strange place if man did not modify plants and animals
>>>>>> genetically to suit his needs. If man completely disappeared, much of
>>>>>> the plants and animals would turn into things foreign to us in a short
>>>>>> period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aloha!
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's both pretend Mr Aloha wasn't wrong. You'll sleep better
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>> What part don't you understand? I merely state facts.
>>>
>>> It's alright, Mr Aloha
>>>
>>
>> You need to be ground into cat food, you auzzie shitbag!
>
> Yo, douchebag, lay off the cats.
>

Fuggeddaboutit!

Cats need varied protein sources!

On 7/23/2015 2:14 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:55:14 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:35:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 12:01:16 AM UTC-4, Golden One wrote:
>>>> Further to the thread on Kale, my local grocery store is now carrying
>>>> Kalettes, see
>>>> http://www.medibank.com.au/bemagazin...outs-kalettes/
>>>>
>>>> I will try them although I detest Kale and am not keen on Brussel
>>>> sprouts. Who knows, they may be different enough that I will like
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't take note of the price although I suspect they will be
>>>> expensive.
>>>>
>>>> JB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kale has more lutein for our eyes and more vit K than any other veggie.
>>
>> How about oxalates? I seem to find mixed reports on that, varies a
>> lot by type.
>>
>> J.
>
> Taro has so much calcium oxalate shards in it that it's inedible unless you boil the corm and the leaves for quite a while. Beats the heck out of me how the old Hawaiians prepared taro for poi because they didn't have pots to boil taro.
>

Taro vs. the volcano?

;-)

On 7/23/2015 4:14 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> Taro has so much calcium oxalate shards in it that it's inedible unless you boil the corm and the leaves for quite a while. Beats the heck out of me how the old Hawaiians prepared taro for poi because they didn't have pots to boil taro.
>
Tightly woven basket or wooden container filled with water, heated by
dropping red-hot stones into the water.

On 7/23/2015 2:25 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 7/23/2015 4:14 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Taro has so much calcium oxalate shards in it that it's inedible
>> unless you boil the corm and the leaves for quite a while. Beats the
>> heck out of me how the old Hawaiians prepared taro for poi because
>> they didn't have pots to boil taro.
>>
> Tightly woven basket or wooden container filled with water, heated by
> dropping red-hot stones into the water.

Ding!

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 10:23:15 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
> On 7/23/2015 2:14 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:55:14 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote:
> >> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:35:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 12:01:16 AM UTC-4, Golden One wrote:
> >>>> Further to the thread on Kale, my local grocery store is now carrying
> >>>> Kalettes, see
> >>>> http://www.medibank.com.au/bemagazin...outs-kalettes/
> >>>>
> >>>> I will try them although I detest Kale and am not keen on Brussel
> >>>> sprouts. Who knows, they may be different enough that I will like
> >>>> them.
> >>>>
> >>>> I didn't take note of the price although I suspect they will be
> >>>> expensive.
> >>>>
> >>>> JB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Kale has more lutein for our eyes and more vit K than any other veggie.
> >>
> >> How about oxalates? I seem to find mixed reports on that, varies a
> >> lot by type.
> >>
> >> J.
> >
> > Taro has so much calcium oxalate shards in it that it's inedible unless you boil the corm and the leaves for quite a while. Beats the heck out of me how the old Hawaiians prepared taro for poi because they didn't have pots to boil taro.
> >
>
> Taro vs. the volcano?
>
> ;-)

The volcano usually won.

On 7/23/2015 2:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 10:23:15 AM UTC-10, Dr. Edward Morbius wrote:
>> On 7/23/2015 2:14 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 7:55:14 AM UTC-10, JRStern wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:35:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 12:01:16 AM UTC-4, Golden One wrote:
>>>>>> Further to the thread on Kale, my local grocery store is now carrying
>>>>>> Kalettes, see
>>>>>> http://www.medibank.com.au/bemagazin...outs-kalettes/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will try them although I detest Kale and am not keen on Brussel
>>>>>> sprouts. Who knows, they may be different enough that I will like
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't take note of the price although I suspect they will be
>>>>>> expensive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kale has more lutein for our eyes and more vit K than any other veggie.
>>>>
>>>> How about oxalates? I seem to find mixed reports on that, varies a
>>>> lot by type.
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>>
>>> Taro has so much calcium oxalate shards in it that it's inedible unless you boil the corm and the leaves for quite a while. Beats the heck out of me how the old Hawaiians prepared taro for poi because they didn't have pots to boil taro.
>>>
>>
>> Taro vs. the volcano?
>>
>> ;-)
>
> The volcano usually won.
>
I can just bet!

On 7/23/2015 3:08 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 7/23/2015 8:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 7/23/2015 10:25 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 7/23/2015 4:14 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Taro has so much calcium oxalate shards in it that it's inedible
>>>> unless you boil the corm and the leaves for quite a while. Beats the
>>>> heck out of me how the old Hawaiians prepared taro for poi because
>>>> they didn't have pots to boil taro.
>>>>
>>> Tightly woven basket or wooden container filled with water, heated by
>>> dropping red-hot stones into the water.
>>
>> That's just crazy enough to work, professor!
>
> Try it some time - it _does_ work!

It's not likely that I'd try it since I don't have a watertight basket
or red-hot rocks. I suspect that the Hawaiians didn't do it that way
either because you lose a lot of heat in the air and it's tough to boil
very much taro using that method.

My guess is that they steamed taro in an imu. They dug a big hole and
heated the rock in the pit. They then covered that with banana leaves
and dumped in the taro and covered that up with more leaves and then
covered that with dirt. In this way, they could cook up a large batch at
one time. They probably didn't prepare taro every day so the poi
probably sat between batches and fermented. Even today, people tend to
let their poi ferment for a couple of days to get a little sour and
tastier.