On 7/28/2015 4:49 AM, wrote:
At the very least, as an ethical Presidential Candidate, Jeb Bush would
be expected to denounce pedophilia and ritual child sacrifice by his
father and brother and any other Bush family members.
All 2016 Presidential candidates should be questioned as to whether they
have ever participated in pedophilia, ritual child sacrifice, or child
trafficking, or in any of the networks that support such.
A new model of the actual planetary driver of pedophile and ritual
sacrifice networks

The Transhumanist Agenda model of pedophilia and child abuse networks is
more accurate and factual than a prior model of pedophilia that focuses
sole blame on Churches [such as the Vatican] or Monarchies [such as the
UK, Dutch, or Belgian Throne]. This prior model of pedophile networks
actually diverts attention away from Transhumanist Agenda, which is the
actual current planetary driver of pedophile and ritual sacrifice networks.

On 7/28/2015 4:47 AM, Cheri wrote:
At the very least, as an ethical Presidential Candidate, Jeb Bush would
be expected to denounce pedophilia and ritual child sacrifice by his
father and brother and any other Bush family members.
All 2016 Presidential candidates should be questioned as to whether they
have ever participated in pedophilia, ritual child sacrifice, or child
trafficking, or in any of the networks that support such.
A new model of the actual planetary driver of pedophile and ritual
sacrifice networks

The Transhumanist Agenda model of pedophilia and child abuse networks is
more accurate and factual than a prior model of pedophilia that focuses
sole blame on Churches [such as the Vatican] or Monarchies [such as the
UK, Dutch, or Belgian Throne]. This prior model of pedophile networks
actually diverts attention away from Transhumanist Agenda, which is the
actual current planetary driver of pedophile and ritual sacrifice networks.

On 7/28/2015 4:28 AM, Gary wrote:
At the very least, as an ethical Presidential Candidate, Jeb Bush would
be expected to denounce pedophilia and ritual child sacrifice by his
father and brother and any other Bush family members.
All 2016 Presidential candidates should be questioned as to whether they
have ever participated in pedophilia, ritual child sacrifice, or child
trafficking, or in any of the networks that support such.
A new model of the actual planetary driver of pedophile and ritual
sacrifice networks

The Transhumanist Agenda model of pedophilia and child abuse networks is
more accurate and factual than a prior model of pedophilia that focuses
sole blame on Churches [such as the Vatican] or Monarchies [such as the
UK, Dutch, or Belgian Throne]. This prior model of pedophile networks
actually diverts attention away from Transhumanist Agenda, which is the
actual current planetary driver of pedophile and ritual sacrifice networks.

On 7/27/2015 1:31 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>> The parents were apparently oblivious. How you can tune that behaviour
>> out is a mystery.
>
>
> The parents probably got upset that someone dared to deal with their
> kid. I wonder about the reaction of a mother whose kid I spoke at a few
> years ago. A mother was having a hard time dealing with her kid. He was
> jumping up and town and crying and screaming. It would have been bad
> enough from a three year old but this kid was about 12. I spoke in a
> very loud voice "Stop whining". He stopped and looked a little stunned.
> The mother should have been grateful, but you know what some parents
> are like these days. I was probably the bully who verbally assaulted her
> child and who has ADHD. autiism, PTSD or something that they use as an
> excuse for him being a childish brat.
>
>

Couple of times in the supermarket kids would be running wild. A firm
"HEY" stops them in their tracks. I'd never touch a kid but I'm not
about to get run over either.

Comes down to poor parenting.

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Dave Smith wrote:

> Just thinking about a family sitting in a nearby booth at a restaurant
> we ate in about a year ago. The teenage kids weren't loud or
> disruptive, but they were a study in bad manners. The mother looked like
> she had just come from work that likely involved a brass pole. The
> teenage daughter was texting or talking on her cell phone all through
> dinner. Father and son both had ball caps on... backwards. Gym rat
> father was always posed in some position to flex and show off his
> muscles. None of them knew how to hold a knife and fork. At least they
> weren't rowdy and disruptive.

this sounds like the observations of someone whose judgy pants are at
least two sizes too small

On 7/28/2015 5:55 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
Neil, George Jr., George Sr., and Jeb Bush

The Savings and Loan industry had been experiencing major problems
through the late 60s and 70s due to rising inflation and rising interest
rates. Because of this there was a move in the 1970s to replace the
role of S&L institutions with banks.

In the early 1980s, under Reagan, regulatory changes took place that
gave the S&L industry new powers and for the first time in history
measures were taken to increase the profitability of S&Ls at the expense
of promoting home ownership.

A history of the S&L situation can be found he

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/

What is important to note about the S&L scandal is that it was the
largest theft in the history of the world and US tax payers are who was
robbed.

The problems occurred in the Savings and Loan industry as they relate to
theft because the industry was deregulated under the Reagan/Bush
administration and restrictions were eased on the industry so much that
abuse and misuse of funds became easy, rampant, and went unchecked.

Additional facts on the Savings and Loan Scandal can be found he

http://www.inthe80s.com/sandl.shtml

There are several ways in which the Bush family plays into the Savings
and Loan scandal, which involves not only many members of the Bush
family but also many other politicians that are still in office and
still part of the Bush Jr. administration today. Jeb Bush, George Bush
Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and
Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars
(note that this is about one quarter of our national debt).

Between 1981 and 1989, when George Bush finally announced that there was
a Savings and Loan Crisis to the world, the Reagan/Bush administration
worked to cover up Savings and Loan problems by reducing the number and
depth of examinations required of S&Ls as well as attacking political
opponents who were sounding early alarms about the S&L industry.
Industry insiders were aware of significant S&L problems as early 1986
that they felt would require a bailout. This information was kept from
the media until after Bush had won the 1988 elections.

Jeb Bush defaulted on a $4.56 million loan from Broward Federal Savings
in Sunrise, Florida. After federal regulators closed the S&L, the office
building that Jeb used the $4.56 million to finance was reappraised by
the regulators at $500,000, which Bush and his partners paid. The
taxpayers had to pay back the remaining 4 million plus dollars.

Neil Bush was the most widely targeted member of the Bush family by the
press in the S&L scandal. Neil became director of Silverado Savings and
Loan at the age of 30 in 1985. Three years later the institution was
belly up at a cost of $1.6 billion to tax payers to bail out.

The basic actions of Neil Bush in the S&L scandal are as follows:

Neil received a $100,000 "loan" from Ken Good, of Good International,
with no obligation to pay any of the money back.

Good was a large shareholder in JNB Explorations, Neil Bush's
oil-exploration company.

Neil failed to disclose this conflict-of-interest when loans were given
to Good from Silverado, because the money was to be used in joint
venture with his own JNB. This was in essence giving himself a loan
from Silverado through a third party.

Neil then helped Silverado S&L approve Good International for a $900,000
line of credit.

Good defaulted on a total $32 million in loans from Silverado.

During this time Neil Bush did not disclose that $3 million of the $32
million that Good was defaulting on was actually for investment in JNB,
his own company.

Good subsequently raised Bush's JNB salary from $75,000 to $125,000 and
granted him a $22,500 bonus.

On 7/27/2015 1:55 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Just thinking about a family sitting in a nearby booth at a restaurant
>> we ate in about a year ago. The teenage kids weren't loud or
>> disruptive, but they were a study in bad manners. The mother looked like
>> she had just come from work that likely involved a brass pole. The
>> teenage daughter was texting or talking on her cell phone all through
>> dinner. Father and son both had ball caps on... backwards. Gym rat
>> father was always posed in some position to flex and show off his
>> muscles. None of them knew how to hold a knife and fork. At least they
>> weren't rowdy and disruptive.
>
> this sounds like the observations of someone whose judgy pants are at
> least two sizes too small
>


Almost but - talking on a cell phone all through dinner - NO WAY!

Not interested in being subjected to that.

Send the urchin outside to the parking lot.

Or confine her to texting.

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Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record
ID: 47846596.

Your ass has more mass than Jupiter!

No one cares about you.

Get OUT!


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On 7/28/2015 6:41 AM, wrote:
should you believe Bush's new found compassion? Should you believe any
of the Bush family, no matter what they say? Would you ever believe a
criminal's word? How about an entire family of criminals?

Remember his daddy's "Kinder and Gentler Nation"? Did any of you notice
any improvement in the treatment of those who the Republicans are so
fond of reviling; the poor and single women and working women and
children and the elderly and the disabled? Nope, neither did I. Do you
believe for a moment that sonny boy has any intention of actually doing
anything but just mouthing those words until election day and then
falling back into the mean spirited, hateful, despicable ways of all
Republican politicians? Nope, neither do I.

Okay, let's spend a few minutes doing what the corporately owned media
has no intention of doing; factually looking at the criminal record that
the entire Bush family has loosed upon America and her citizens. History
is a far better indicator of a person's future actions than any
ludicrous promises or political platforms during an election. Careful,
though, this type of honest examination that always precedes the usual
death threats and taunts of "liar, liar, pants on fire." As Mort Sahl
once said about Ronald Reagan, "When I quote him, I'm accused of
slandering him."

Let's begin with George W. Bush, Sr., shall we?

Just to refresh your memory, it was Bush who, during his failed 1980 run
for the Presidency, labeled Reagan's twisted "Trickle Down Theory" as
"voodoo economics" and then, once chosen as the feeble-minded old man's
running mate, spent the next twelve years pretending to accept the lie.
It was during his successful 1988 Presidential campaign that he
proclaimed "Read my lips! No new taxes!" but, well, you get the picture.

Many records have come to light since the Iran-Contra hearings that
strongly support the accusation that then Vice-President Bush was not
"Out of the loop", as he repeatedly claimed, but was fully aware of the
illegal arms shipments to Iran and also of the drugs that were being
imported into the poorest neighborhoods in America by the terrorists he
and Reagan were illegally supporting in Nicaragua. The world will never
know the truth, of course, because one of Bush's last acts as President
was to pardon everyone related to these high crimes and misdemeanors.

There has also been reports that he was protecting major drug dealers in
the Mideast who were also acting as informants. These dealers were
passing on military and political information regarding such nations as
Syria and Iraq in exchange for that protection.

It has long been known that it was at Bush's request that Brett
Kimberlin, a convicted small time drug dealer, was placed in solitary
confinement for the entire 1988 presidential election cycle. Why such a
harsh punishment for such a small time crook? Because Kimberlin had
stated in an NBC interview that he had been the source for the monthly
marijuana purchases of one Dan Quayle and that he had made Quayle and
his new blushing, conservative bride, Marilyn, a wedding present of
hashish and marijuana which, it goes without saying, was consumed and
not reported to the local police.

Finally, there was once evidence that George Bush may have been the
celebrated "Deep-Throat" of Watergate fame. That evidence, however, has
long since been destroyed. (1)

The boys of the Bush family have some truly dirty laundry, as well.

Beginning with John "Jeb" Bush, now governor of Florida, we find that he
assisted Miguel Recarey, a fugitive now living in Spain, to steal over
$200 million from International Medical Centers, the HMO Recarey owned,
by using Jeb's father's influence to acquire a waiver for the HMO of the
standard rule of 50-50 (meaning that at least 50% of an HMO's clients
cannot be Medicare patients but must be full paying clients). This theft
left 150,000 elderly Americans without medical coverage. Oh, and by the
way, Recarey had paid Jeb Bush's company a $75,000 "real-estate
consultant fee". All totaled, Recarey embezzled over $1 billion in
Medicare funds through false billings and outright theft.

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On 2015-07-27 1:34 PM, sf wrote:

> I don't avoid places like that. In fact I was in one last week and
> the truth is: kids don't scream. Maybe the complainers can't tell
> play on the playground equipment in the play area a lot of fast food
> franchises seem to have from sitting and eating. Only oldsters or the
> permanently child free with some kind of chip on their shoulder who
> venture into family friendly restaurants anyway seem to have the
> complaints. Basically, everything is a problem for them.
>
>

I don't know who you are confusing with reality. I started the thread
with a comment from a woman who was talking about taking kids to
restaurants and who suggested that if they don't have high chairs, maybe
it is not a place to be taking kids. I sure as hell don't want a nice
night out ruined by screaming kids, so I don't go to places that have
play areas. Those are the places with the slack parents who send their
kids off to play because they don't have the social graces to sit
through a meal without being disruptive.

This golf club dining membership is starting to sound like a better deal
all the time.

On 2015-07-27 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
>
> The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
> obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
> directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
> airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
>


Lots of people have ear problems from changes in altitude and pressure.
Only the little ones scream, and that is hard for some people to take. I
did not spend a huge portion of my life around toddlers. It is not a
sound I like to have to deal with.

On 2015-07-27 3:55 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Just thinking about a family sitting in a nearby booth at a restaurant
>> we ate in about a year ago. The teenage kids weren't loud or
>> disruptive, but they were a study in bad manners. The mother looked like
>> she had just come from work that likely involved a brass pole. The
>> teenage daughter was texting or talking on her cell phone all through
>> dinner. Father and son both had ball caps on... backwards. Gym rat
>> father was always posed in some position to flex and show off his
>> muscles. None of them knew how to hold a knife and fork. At least they
>> weren't rowdy and disruptive.
>
> this sounds like the observations of someone whose judgy pants are at
> least two sizes too small


Don't worry. I did not intervene. I did not say anything. I even saved
them the scornful looks. The kids should have learned manners from the
parents. Those parents were not up to the task.

On 2015-07-27 4:41 PM, wrote:

> I don't know about that, teaching kids good table manners matters. My
> younger daughter even admitted once after the Pres. of her company
> took her to dinner. They went to the Four Seasons in Edmonton and she
> was thankful she knew what to do with cutlery, plates etc etc. She
> had the good grace to say she was wrong when she carped about our
> insistence on doing things 'properly' -

There are actually situations where people being considered for
positions with a company or those being considered for promotion are
taken out for a dinner/interview situation. Their interview answers may
not be as important as their table manners.

On 7/27/2015 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
> > wrote:
>>>
>> My sister's niece has four very young children, and she and her
>> husband take them on a great many airplane trips. She said they get
>> some "dirty looks" from other passengers when they board the plane with
>> four youngsters, but they often get grateful comments when they exit.
>> Each parent sits with two children, and they take great care to keep the
>> children entertained and quiet.
>>
> The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
> obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
> directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
> airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
>
How does a baby obviously have an ear problem?

Airplanes aside, it *is* obvious some people are oblivious to their
children. They let them scream or run around and expect everyone else
to put up with it. Why, I don't know.

When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
>
> Jill

Nope, never did, never will. My grandkids get a lot of leeway, but not to
destroy things or be disrespectful of others. I find that kids do well with
boundaries. It makes for a happy time for all. Usually when some kids are
acting like little maniacs in the stores it's because of lazy parenting.
Nobody will ever convince me that it's a good thing either.

Cheri

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:36:24 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2015-07-27 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
> >
> > The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
> > obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
> > directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
> > airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> > must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
> >
>
>
> Lots of people have ear problems from changes in altitude and pressure.
> Only the little ones scream, and that is hard for some people to take. I
> did not spend a huge portion of my life around toddlers. It is not a
> sound I like to have to deal with.

Maybe you can find an airline that doesn't take people under 50 to fly
on.

--

sf

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 7/27/2015 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
> > > wrote:
> >>>
> >> My sister's niece has four very young children, and she and her
> >> husband take them on a great many airplane trips. She said they get
> >> some "dirty looks" from other passengers when they board the plane with
> >> four youngsters, but they often get grateful comments when they exit.
> >> Each parent sits with two children, and they take great care to keep the
> >> children entertained and quiet.
> >>
> > The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
> > obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
> > directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
> > airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> > must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
> >
> How does a baby obviously have an ear problem?

I forget now because it was so long ago. Either I figured it out all
by myself due to my personal experiences with infants as a parent or
they told me. I've been in an airplane when the air pressure made it
feel like there was a knife in my eardrum. An infant will feel that,
not know why it's happening and crying will ensue. I'm sure you'd
remember every vivid detail and tell it to rfc every chance you got,
but it didn't bother me so I don't remember the details.
>
> Airplanes aside, it *is* obvious some people are oblivious to their
> children. They let them scream or run around and expect everyone else
> to put up with it. Why, I don't know.

Funny how the grumps always find something to be grumpy about.
>
> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
>
Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
long in the tooth.


--

sf

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:34:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> This golf club dining membership is starting to sound like a better deal
> all the time.

I think it's wonderful and don't know what's stopping you. The price
is certainly right.

--

sf

On 7/27/2015 12:36 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-07-27 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
>>
>> The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
>> obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
>> directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
>> airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
>> must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
>>
>
>
> Lots of people have ear problems from changes in altitude and pressure.
> Only the little ones scream, and that is hard for some people to take. I
> did not spend a huge portion of my life around toddlers. It is not a
> sound I like to have to deal with.
>

You summed up the situation well. It's hard for most people to take.
OTOH, it helps if you understand what's going on. Babies cry when
they're in pain. This is unavoidable but it may be of some comfort if
you know what's happening and can empathize with the pain of others.

On 7/27/2015 6:54 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/27/2015 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> My sister's niece has four very young children, and she and her
>>>> husband take them on a great many airplane trips. She said they get
>>>> some "dirty looks" from other passengers when they board the plane with
>>>> four youngsters, but they often get grateful comments when they exit.
>>>> Each parent sits with two children, and they take great care to keep the
>>>> children entertained and quiet.
>>>>
>>> The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
>>> obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
>>> directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
>>> airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
>>> must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
>>>
>> How does a baby obviously have an ear problem?
>
> I forget now because it was so long ago. Either I figured it out all
> by myself due to my personal experiences with infants as a parent or
> they told me. I've been in an airplane when the air pressure made it
> feel like there was a knife in my eardrum. An infant will feel that,
> not know why it's happening and crying will ensue. I'm sure you'd
> remember every vivid detail and tell it to rfc every chance you got,
> but it didn't bother me so I don't remember the details.
>>
>> Airplanes aside, it *is* obvious some people are oblivious to their
>> children. They let them scream or run around and expect everyone else
>> to put up with it. Why, I don't know.
>
> Funny how the grumps always find something to be grumpy about.
>>
>> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
>> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
>> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
>> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
>> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
>> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
>>
> Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
> long in the tooth.
>
>
Look back in those days "Lady Chatterly's Lover" was a prized commodity ;-)

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 7:14:19 PM UTC-6, Sal Paradise wrote:
> On 7/27/2015 6:54 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/27/2015 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>> My sister's niece has four very young children, and she and her
> >>>> husband take them on a great many airplane trips. She said they get
> >>>> some "dirty looks" from other passengers when they board the plane with
> >>>> four youngsters, but they often get grateful comments when they exit.
> >>>> Each parent sits with two children, and they take great care to keep the
> >>>> children entertained and quiet.
> >>>>
> >>> The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
> >>> obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
> >>> directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
> >>> airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> >>> must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
> >>>
> >> How does a baby obviously have an ear problem?
> >
> > I forget now because it was so long ago. Either I figured it out all
> > by myself due to my personal experiences with infants as a parent or
> > they told me. I've been in an airplane when the air pressure made it
> > feel like there was a knife in my eardrum. An infant will feel that,
> > not know why it's happening and crying will ensue. I'm sure you'd
> > remember every vivid detail and tell it to rfc every chance you got,
> > but it didn't bother me so I don't remember the details.
> >>
> >> Airplanes aside, it *is* obvious some people are oblivious to their
> >> children. They let them scream or run around and expect everyone else
> >> to put up with it. Why, I don't know.
> >
> > Funny how the grumps always find something to be grumpy about.
> >>
> >> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
> >> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
> >> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
> >> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
> >> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
> >> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
> >>
> > Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
> > long in the tooth.
> >
> >
> Look back in those days "Lady Chatterly's Lover" was a prized commodity ;-)

Yes, there many good things to emulate in that book.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-07-27 3:55 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Just thinking about a family sitting in a nearby booth at a restaurant
>>> we ate in about a year ago. The teenage kids weren't loud or
>>> disruptive, but they were a study in bad manners. The mother looked like
>>> she had just come from work that likely involved a brass pole. The
>>> teenage daughter was texting or talking on her cell phone all through
>>> dinner. Father and son both had ball caps on... backwards. Gym rat
>>> father was always posed in some position to flex and show off his
>>> muscles. None of them knew how to hold a knife and fork. At least they
>>> weren't rowdy and disruptive.
>>
>> this sounds like the observations of someone whose judgy pants are at
>> least two sizes too small
>
>
> Don't worry. I did not intervene. I did not say anything. I even saved
> them the scornful looks. The kids should have learned manners from the
> parents. Those parents were not up to the task.

oh, you don't have to say anything or even use body language in order to
be judgemental

On 7/27/2015 7:19 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 7:14:19 PM UTC-6, Sal Paradise wrote:
>> On 7/27/2015 6:54 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/27/2015 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My sister's niece has four very young children, and she and her
>>>>>> husband take them on a great many airplane trips. She said they get
>>>>>> some "dirty looks" from other passengers when they board the plane with
>>>>>> four youngsters, but they often get grateful comments when they exit.
>>>>>> Each parent sits with two children, and they take great care to keep the
>>>>>> children entertained and quiet.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
>>>>> obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
>>>>> directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
>>>>> airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
>>>>> must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
>>>>>
>>>> How does a baby obviously have an ear problem?
>>>
>>> I forget now because it was so long ago. Either I figured it out all
>>> by myself due to my personal experiences with infants as a parent or
>>> they told me. I've been in an airplane when the air pressure made it
>>> feel like there was a knife in my eardrum. An infant will feel that,
>>> not know why it's happening and crying will ensue. I'm sure you'd
>>> remember every vivid detail and tell it to rfc every chance you got,
>>> but it didn't bother me so I don't remember the details.
>>>>
>>>> Airplanes aside, it *is* obvious some people are oblivious to their
>>>> children. They let them scream or run around and expect everyone else
>>>> to put up with it. Why, I don't know.
>>>
>>> Funny how the grumps always find something to be grumpy about.
>>>>
>>>> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
>>>> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
>>>> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
>>>> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
>>>> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
>>>> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
>>>>
>>> Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
>>> long in the tooth.
>>>
>>>
>> Look back in those days "Lady Chatterly's Lover" was a prized commodity ;-)
>
> Yes, there many good things to emulate in that book.
>


Well O k then...

On 7/27/2015 10:32 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I never would have guessed
>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
>> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
>> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
>> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
>> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
>> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
>>
>> Jill
>
> Nope, never did, never will. My grandkids get a lot of leeway, but not to
> destroy things or be disrespectful of others. I find that kids do well
> with boundaries. It makes for a happy time for all. Usually when some kids
> are acting like little maniacs in the stores it's because of lazy
> parenting. Nobody will ever convince me that it's a good thing either.
>
> Cheri

I was once watching a 2 year old while her mom and older kids talked to the
police. Unfortunately they had witnessed someone get run over by a train
and had to give statements. So I wasn't exactly babysitting. They were
just in the other room. The girl didn't rip out pages but she did begin
coloring in the book with a crayon. It was one of her books. When I told
her to stop, she pulled an attitude and ran to her mom who just shrugged and
said she could do what she wanted.

I don't recall Angela ever doing anything like that but she did take a
Sharpie to the face of a doll. Oddly enough, the girl upstairs from us had
done the exact same thing to her doll which was exactly the same doll. The
two didn't know each other at the time that was done so that was weird!
Then that girl, who was older, instructed her to put makeup on a Barbie head
that she had. Someone had given it to her as a gift and it was a
hairstyling head. Not a makeup head which they also do make. Both girls
were horrified when the makeup stained the toy and came to me for help. The
makeup wouldn't come off no matter what I did. I can't remember now if they
used real or toy makeup but most likely real. Most of that toy makeup is
made in China and it stains the kid's face! So I generally did not let her
have it.

On 7/26/2015 4:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I caught a small portion of a radio show about kids in restaurants. One
> women, who seemed to have some expertise on manners and training kids,
> suggest that if the place does not have high chairs..... maybe it's a
> place you should not be taking small children.

IMNSHO, if children are appropriately behaved, sure, they can and should
accompany their parents to any restaurant. BUT! Big, but!! If the
child(ren) is(are) unhappy(!!) and/or misbehaves, then the parents
should be obligated to take their child(ren) to another 'arena' (the
restroom? outside?) until their child's attitude is better suited to the
'atmosphere' of the situation --- I hope this makes sense. In no way
did I allow (my) child to disturb any other diners' experiences while at
any restaurant.

When DS was young and (rarely) exhibited unbecoming behavior, I merely
asked him, "Do you want to go to the restroom to have a 'conversation'?"
It's never wise to castigate or chastise a child (or anyone regardless
of age!) in public. Humiliation is cruel!

DS's younger cousin, on the other hand (10++ years difference), was a
virtual devil when it came to any public affair -- my brother and his
wife did nothing to teach their young child proper manners or behavior
when in public!

Is this poor parenting? An example is/was (years ago) . . . 3-year old
cousin was allowed to walk around a posh restaurant dinner table (party
of 12+ adults) for a graduation party. The child was allowed to
roam/walk everywhere along the dinner table (other diners' tables, too!)
with nary any supervision while folks dined, clamoring all over! Not in
my book - time for the child to go outside/home with their parent(s)!
Alas, teaching their very young child proper manners was not a priority
for my brother and his wife at that time

Sky

On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 7:14:55 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/27/2015 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
> > > wrote:
> >>>
> >> My sister's niece has four very young children, and she and her
> >> husband take them on a great many airplane trips. She said they get
> >> some "dirty looks" from other passengers when they board the plane with
> >> four youngsters, but they often get grateful comments when they exit.
> >> Each parent sits with two children, and they take great care to keep the
> >> children entertained and quiet.
> >>
> > The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
> > obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
> > directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
> > airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> > must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
> >
> How does a baby obviously have an ear problem?

Babies can't clear their ears when the cabin pressure changes.
It's painful. I'd cry, too. Or at least whimper a bit.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
>
> On 7/27/2015 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
> > > wrote:
> >>>
> >> My sister's niece has four very young children, and she and her
> >> husband take them on a great many airplane trips. She said they get
> >> some "dirty looks" from other passengers when they board the plane with
> >> four youngsters, but they often get grateful comments when they exit.
> >> Each parent sits with two children, and they take great care to keep the
> >> children entertained and quiet.
> >>
> > The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
> > obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
> > directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
> > airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> > must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
> >
> How does a baby obviously have an ear problem?

From the sharp "pain" cry.

Very small children and babies often feel sudden discomfort or pain in
their ears on takeoff because of the increase in cabin air pressure.
Adults know how to relieve their own pressure-discomfort by yawning or
swallowing; babies don't.

Janet UK

In article >, lid
says...
>
> On 7/27/2015 12:36 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2015-07-27 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
> >>
> >> The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
> >> obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
> >> directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
> >> airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> >> must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Lots of people have ear problems from changes in altitude and pressure.
> > Only the little ones scream, and that is hard for some people to take. I
> > did not spend a huge portion of my life around toddlers. It is not a
> > sound I like to have to deal with.
> >
>
> You summed up the situation well. It's hard for most people to take.
> OTOH, it helps if you understand what's going on. Babies cry when
> they're in pain. This is unavoidable but it may be of some comfort if
> you know what's happening and can empathize with the pain of others.

I always gave babies a dummy to suck during take-off, and older
children a boiled sweet. Sucking and swallowing regulates the pressure
in their ears and relieves the pain.

Janet UK

On 7/27/2015 8:54 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
>> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
>> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
>> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
>> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
>> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
>>
> Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
> long in the tooth.
>
>
I've got plenty of them, thanks. I loaned another friend a hardback
book and she let her kid scribble all through it with a pen and crayons.
I met a different friend for lunch one day - I was on my lunch break.
She let her kid dip his fries in ketchup and throw them at me. Rather
than take the fries away from him all she did was say "Gary, quit" over
and over. Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing a
ketchup-stained blouse. I've been seated in a booth in a restaurant and
had kids kicking the back of the seat on the side where I was sitting.
Another instance, a kid throwing food over onto our table. As usual,
the parents seem to think there is nothing wrong with this behavior.

Jill

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:42:22 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/27/2015 8:54 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
>>> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
>>> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
>>> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
>>> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
>>> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
>>>
>> Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
>> long in the tooth.
>>
>>
>I've got plenty of them, thanks. I loaned another friend a hardback
>book and she let her kid scribble all through it with a pen and crayons.
> I met a different friend for lunch one day - I was on my lunch break.
> She let her kid dip his fries in ketchup and throw them at me. Rather
>than take the fries away from him all she did was say "Gary, quit" over
>and over. Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing a
>ketchup-stained blouse. I've been seated in a booth in a restaurant and
>had kids kicking the back of the seat on the side where I was sitting.
>Another instance, a kid throwing food over onto our table. As usual,
>the parents seem to think there is nothing wrong with this behavior.
>
>Jill

And there is little or nothing wrong with the kids' behavior.

You do have a problem with your friends, though.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:07:09 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >, lid
> >says...
> >>
> >> On 7/27/2015 12:36 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> > On 2015-07-27 1:40 PM, sf wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:44:06 -0500, MaryL
> >> >>
> >> >> The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby, the baby
> >> >> obviously had an ear problem that was the cause. I was seated
> >> >> directly across the aisle and barely heard the cries over all the
> >> >> airplane noise, so AFAIC anyone who complains about that sort of thing
> >> >> must *want* to be wound up about something... however small.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Lots of people have ear problems from changes in altitude and pressure.
> >> > Only the little ones scream, and that is hard for some people to take. I
> >> > did not spend a huge portion of my life around toddlers. It is not a
> >> > sound I like to have to deal with.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You summed up the situation well. It's hard for most people to take.
> >> OTOH, it helps if you understand what's going on. Babies cry when
> >> they're in pain. This is unavoidable but it may be of some comfort if
> >> you know what's happening and can empathize with the pain of others.
> >
> > I always gave babies a dummy to suck during take-off, and older
> >children a boiled sweet. Sucking and swallowing regulates the pressure
> >in their ears and relieves the pain.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Back in the old days when cabin pressurization was awful, the crew
> used to pass out gum and/or boiled sweets/candy before take off.

They still pass out boile sweets, on many longhaul flights from here.

Janet UK

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 23:32:45 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 00:37:03 -0700 (PDT),
>wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 8:23:17 PM UTC-7, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> OTOH, we had dinner here today and there were two tables that had young
>>>> children (about 7 to 10yo) and they were perfectly behaved.
>>>> http://bellarestaurantandbanquet.com/
>>>
>>> They have a "Funeral Coalition Menu"?!?! Is that for when the patrons
>>> band together and kill all the obnoxious kids in the restaurant?
>>
>> Colazione, or Collation
>
>I never would have guessed that was the word they were shooting for.
>I never even knew that meaning of the word until now. But they did
>say "coalition", sure enough (had to double check myself).
>
>http://bellarestaurantandbanquet.com/menu/funeral-menu

At Bella Calapai's restaurant probably should be "calzone".

On 7/28/2015 9:21 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:42:22 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/27/2015 8:54 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
>>>> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
>>>> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
>>>> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
>>>> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
>>>> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
>>>>
>>> Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
>>> long in the tooth.
>>>
>>>
>> I've got plenty of them, thanks. I loaned another friend a hardback
>> book and she let her kid scribble all through it with a pen and crayons.
>> I met a different friend for lunch one day - I was on my lunch break.
>> She let her kid dip his fries in ketchup and throw them at me. Rather
>> than take the fries away from him all she did was say "Gary, quit" over
>> and over. Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing a
>> ketchup-stained blouse. I've been seated in a booth in a restaurant and
>> had kids kicking the back of the seat on the side where I was sitting.
>> Another instance, a kid throwing food over onto our table. As usual,
>> the parents seem to think there is nothing wrong with this behavior.
>>
>> Jill
>
> And there is little or nothing wrong with the kids' behavior.
>
Really? Destruction of personal property or throwing food at someone is
okay with you?

> You do have a problem with your friends, though.
>
Not anymore. I'm too old for anyone in my social circle to have
toddlers.

Jill

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 01:40:29 -0500, Sky >
wrote:

>On 7/26/2015 4:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> I caught a small portion of a radio show about kids in restaurants. One
>> women, who seemed to have some expertise on manners and training kids,
>> suggest that if the place does not have high chairs..... maybe it's a
>> place you should not be taking small children.
>
>IMNSHO, if children are appropriately behaved, sure, they can and should
>accompany their parents to any restaurant. BUT! Big, but!! If the
>child(ren) is(are) unhappy(!!) and/or misbehaves, then the parents
>should be obligated to take their child(ren) to another 'arena' (the
>restroom? outside?) until their child's attitude is better suited to the
>'atmosphere' of the situation --- I hope this makes sense. In no way
>did I allow (my) child to disturb any other diners' experiences while at
>any restaurant.
>
>When DS was young and (rarely) exhibited unbecoming behavior, I merely
>asked him, "Do you want to go to the restroom to have a 'conversation'?"
> It's never wise to castigate or chastise a child (or anyone regardless
>of age!) in public. Humiliation is cruel!
>
>DS's younger cousin, on the other hand (10++ years difference), was a
>virtual devil when it came to any public affair -- my brother and his
>wife did nothing to teach their young child proper manners or behavior
>when in public!
>
>Is this poor parenting? An example is/was (years ago) . . . 3-year old
>cousin was allowed to walk around a posh restaurant dinner table (party
>of 12+ adults) for a graduation party. The child was allowed to
>roam/walk everywhere along the dinner table (other diners' tables, too!)
>with nary any supervision while folks dined, clamoring all over! Not in
>my book - time for the child to go outside/home with their parent(s)!
>Alas, teaching their very young child proper manners was not a priority
>for my brother and his wife at that time
>
>Sky

I never allowed my daughter or any child to disturb dinner at home...
never had to say anything either, just gave 'that' look. Children who
act up at eateries it's because there's no control at home. When
children are raised like feral beasts that's how they behave all the
time... I never blame the child, I blame their zoo keeper.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:42:22 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >On 7/27/2015 8:54 PM, sf wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
> >>> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
> >>> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
> >>> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
> >>> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
> >>> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
> >>>
> >> Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
> >> long in the tooth.
> >>
> >>
> >I've got plenty of them, thanks. I loaned another friend a hardback
> >book and she let her kid scribble all through it with a pen and crayons.
> > I met a different friend for lunch one day - I was on my lunch break.
> > She let her kid dip his fries in ketchup and throw them at me. Rather
> >than take the fries away from him all she did was say "Gary, quit" over
> >and over. Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing a
> >ketchup-stained blouse. I've been seated in a booth in a restaurant and
> >had kids kicking the back of the seat on the side where I was sitting.
> >Another instance, a kid throwing food over onto our table. As usual,
> >the parents seem to think there is nothing wrong with this behavior.
> >
> >Jill
>
> And there is little or nothing wrong with the kids' behavior.

I can't believe you wrote that, or believe it.

Janet UK

MaryL
>
> The only time I've been on an airplane with a crying baby,

When people with infants/todlers book a flight they should be made to
ride in a carrier cage in the cargo hold with pets, or in an exterior
pod.

On 7/28/2015 9:54 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:42:22 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/27/2015 8:54 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:14:47 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I was in my 20's I had a friend who had a 2 year old. She brought
>>>>> her adorable child to my home one day. The "adorable child" started
>>>>> pulling books out of my bookcase and tearing pages out of them. Her
>>>>> mother blithely ignored her. I yelled at the girl. "STOP THAT!" My
>>>>> friend had the nerve to get angry at me for yelling at her kid. She was
>>>>> destroying my books. Would you have put up with that?
>>>>>
>>>> Is that the only child horror story you can trot out? It's getting
>>>> long in the tooth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I've got plenty of them, thanks. I loaned another friend a hardback
>>> book and she let her kid scribble all through it with a pen and crayons.
>>> I met a different friend for lunch one day - I was on my lunch break.
>>> She let her kid dip his fries in ketchup and throw them at me. Rather
>>> than take the fries away from him all she did was say "Gary, quit" over
>>> and over. Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing a
>>> ketchup-stained blouse. I've been seated in a booth in a restaurant and
>>> had kids kicking the back of the seat on the side where I was sitting.
>>> Another instance, a kid throwing food over onto our table. As usual,
>>> the parents seem to think there is nothing wrong with this behavior.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> And there is little or nothing wrong with the kids' behavior.
>
> I can't believe you wrote that, or believe it.
>
> Janet UK
>
I didn't realize Boron was so clueless as to think that is acceptable,
much less the parents thinking it is okay is normal.

Jill