On 2015-07-29 16:14, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> A similar situation happened on a Canadian airline bound from Newark
>> NJ to Toronto on Monday. The woman who as asked to move has requested
>> an apology from the airline.
>
> I don't really get why she thinks the airline should apologize. While
> I don't really go along with the don't be near women thing, it's their
> religion and I don't take it personally, neither should she. The
> airline employee didn't do anything wrong. She was naturally the first
> person to ask if she'd move.


Naturally? Not exactly. The man asked the guy across the aisle if he
would switch with him. When that guy refused he asked another man. The
flight attendant asked asked if there was a problem and when she
explained that they guy would not sit beside her because she was a woman
she was asked if she would be able to move. She said no. That should
have been the end of it for her.

On 2015-07-29 18:56, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> I am having a little difficulty here. I don't understand why such a
>> conservative rabbi would be officiating unless the whole family shared
>> those values, such as they are.
>>
>
> If one has an affiliation with a temple or synagogue, then one can
> request a rabbi who knows the family. In my mother's case, she was
> unaffiliated, but the funeral home itself as well as the cemetery were
> Orthodox and recommended this rabbi.
>

That works for me. My grandmother had lived in the same house and
attended the same (Anglican) church for close to 50 years. Then she went
into a nursing home for a few years. When she died the funeral was held
in her old church, but there was a new, young minister. It was a little
disconcerting that he had no idea who she was.

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-7, Cheri wrote:
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>
> > No intention of "putting you down." It's just weird (and barbaric to
> > me). This is only because of the way I grew up. You want "putting us
> > down," lets talk about using chopsticks heheh. That is the stupidest
> > eating utensil of all times to me. People only use them now because
> > it's "cool". Eating with 2 sticks? LMAO! This is what ancient
> > people used before they invented forks and spoons.
> >

Spoons and chopsticks are compatible. I figure I have been using
chopsticks longer than half the population of China, so why not?

>
> I've never mastered chopsticks.

This guy got off to a slow start, but appears to have mastered chopsticks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPzjHgMENrc

On 7/28/2015 9:12 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-07-28 21:46, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I remember people telling me that I could no longer wear my earrings
>> when Angela was born. I always wore long or at least dangling ones.
>> Well, not only did I not ever have a problem with that, I had people
>> tell me how polite she was. She would sit in their laps and admire
>> their jewelry. I taught her right from the start that we could touch
>> jewelry lightly and admire how pretty it was. Sort of like petting a
>> cat or a dog. We had to touch them lightly.
>>
>
> Damn. I cleaned up my filter last night and look what slipped in.
>
> Yeah.. all those compliments about your daughter. This is the same
> daughter that was so rude and mouthy in a restaurant that you were
> tempted to walk out and leave her there. Of course you got compliments
> about her behaviour.

It's amazing how bove's stories and tales seem to evolve, isn't it !!!

Sky

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
crg.pbz...
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Cheri wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Your way is unacceptable to us too. The way you describe is upside
>>> down,
>>> and we don't have to change hands just cut up our food either!!! Hardly
>>> elegant, is it?
>>
>> I think both look fine. I notice a lot of *stars* have taken on the
>> European way of holding utensils when eating these past years. I eat the
>> way I was taught which is the American way, but I think the European way
>> is much more convenient to be sure.
>
> As long as it's not a fist, clutching a utensil in a stabbing or revolting
> gouging position, either the American or European way is swell by me.
>
> It's the boors who hold their utensils like screwdrivers and wrenches that
> make me cringe.

I am totally with you there, I hate that too.

Cheri

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>
> I hold my fork in my left hand (tines up) and my knife in my right hand.
> That's it. Cut with the right, convey to mouth with left. Once in
> a while I flip the fork tines down--just for a lark, but only if I'm
> not eating something like peas, which require more of a (dare I say it?)
> shovel. They'd fall off the back side of a fork, which curves downward.
>

You don't do everything in reverse? I can't imagine trying to use a
knife with my non-dominate hand.

--

sf

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:22:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
> Granted, if I wanted to completely rework a recipe, I'll type it up.
> But just for scratching out 1/2 teaspoon salt and replacing it with
> 1 teaspoon, I'll write in the book.
>
Something that minimal isn't worth recording.

--

sf

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:11:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> Nope. Students pay tuition for post secondary education. University is
> considerably more expensive than college.
>

Here, community college is part of the K-12 system and is relatively
free compared to the other choices. Since the early '70s, all places
of higher *public* education in the California system are
universities. They are more expensive than a CC but downright cheap
compared to attending a private college or university.

--

sf

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Your way is unacceptable to us too. The way you describe is upside down,
>> and we don't have to change hands just cut up our food either!!! Hardly
>> elegant, is it?
>
> I think both look fine. I notice a lot of *stars* have taken on the
> European way of holding utensils when eating these past years. I eat the
> way I was taught which is the American way, but I think the European way
> is much more convenient to be sure.

I do either way. Not sure why. I never pay attention to it but it has been
pointed out to me on occasion when I am holding the fork in the European
way.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> No intention of "putting you down." It's just weird (and barbaric to
>> me). This is only because of the way I grew up. You want "putting us
>> down," lets talk about using chopsticks heheh. That is the stupidest
>> eating utensil of all times to me. People only use them now because
>> it's "cool". Eating with 2 sticks? LMAO! This is what ancient
>> people used before they invented forks and spoons.
>>
>> G.
>
> I've never mastered chopsticks.

Me either. Angela was a whiz with them as a toddler but then didn't use
them for several years and forgot how to use them.

"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> Your way is unacceptable to us too. The way you describe is upside down,
> and we don't have to change hands just cut up our food either!!! Hardly
> elegant, is it?

I think both look fine. I notice a lot of *stars* have taken on the European
way of holding utensils when eating these past years. I eat the way I was
taught which is the American way, but I think the European way is much more
convenient to be sure.

====================

It doesn't matter to me one jot. I just got my dander up when he said the
way we used our cutlery was 'barbaric'!



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"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "barbie gee" > wrote in message
> crg.pbz...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Your way is unacceptable to us too. The way you describe is upside
>>>> down,
>>>> and we don't have to change hands just cut up our food either!!!
>>>> Hardly elegant, is it?
>>>
>>> I think both look fine. I notice a lot of *stars* have taken on the
>>> European way of holding utensils when eating these past years. I eat the
>>> way I was taught which is the American way, but I think the European way
>>> is much more convenient to be sure.
>>
>> As long as it's not a fist, clutching a utensil in a stabbing or
>> revolting gouging position, either the American or European way is swell
>> by me.
>>
>> It's the boors who hold their utensils like screwdrivers and wrenches
>> that make me cringe.
>
> I am totally with you there, I hate that too.

I have never seen that unless it was a toddler or a person with special
needs.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> I hold my fork in my left hand (tines up) and my knife in my right hand.
>> That's it. Cut with the right, convey to mouth with left. Once in
>> a while I flip the fork tines down--just for a lark, but only if I'm
>> not eating something like peas, which require more of a (dare I say it?)
>> shovel. They'd fall off the back side of a fork, which curves downward.
>>
>
> You don't do everything in reverse? I can't imagine trying to use a
> knife with my non-dominate hand.

Is she left handed?

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:45:21 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"barbie gee" > wrote in message
hcrg.pbz...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Your way is unacceptable to us too. The way you describe is upside
>>>> down,
>>>> and we don't have to change hands just cut up our food either!!! Hardly
>>>> elegant, is it?
>>>
>>> I think both look fine. I notice a lot of *stars* have taken on the
>>> European way of holding utensils when eating these past years. I eat the
>>> way I was taught which is the American way, but I think the European way
>>> is much more convenient to be sure.
>>
>> As long as it's not a fist, clutching a utensil in a stabbing or revolting
>> gouging position, either the American or European way is swell by me.
>>
>> It's the boors who hold their utensils like screwdrivers and wrenches that
>> make me cringe.
>
>I am totally with you there, I hate that too.
>
>Cheri


Your two seem to have a lot of time on your hands and enough excess
dudgeon to go to the moon and back.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 20:29:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-07-29 16:14, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> A similar situation happened on a Canadian airline bound from Newark
>>> NJ to Toronto on Monday. The woman who as asked to move has requested
>>> an apology from the airline.
>>
>> I don't really get why she thinks the airline should apologize. While
>> I don't really go along with the don't be near women thing, it's their
>> religion and I don't take it personally, neither should she. The
>> airline employee didn't do anything wrong. She was naturally the first
>> person to ask if she'd move.
>
>
>Naturally? Not exactly. The man asked the guy across the aisle if he
>would switch with him. When that guy refused he asked another man. The
>flight attendant asked asked if there was a problem and when she
>explained that they guy would not sit beside her because she was a woman
>she was asked if she would be able to move. She said no. That should
>have been the end of it for her.
>

Her objection was that the flight attendant, a rep of the airline,
requested she switch seats based upon a religious objection of sitting
next to a woman. There is something more to that than a request to
switch for comfort or convenience.

Change the situation a bit...the already seated person is black and
some good ol' boy tells the attendant that he refuses to sit next to a
black person and the airline rep, the attendant, tries to follow
through on that request. It's sort of creepy, whereas some 6'7" guy
who wants to change for more leg room or a dad who wants to be next to
his 5 yr old is an accommodation, for sure, and maybe a bothersome or
unnecessary one, but it is not creepy.

I cannot say that I think any sort of apology is in order for the
woman, but an airline policy change should be.

On 2015-07-30 1:49 AM, sf wrote:

>> I hold my fork in my left hand (tines up) and my knife in my right hand.
>> That's it. Cut with the right, convey to mouth with left. Once in
>> a while I flip the fork tines down--just for a lark, but only if I'm
>> not eating something like peas, which require more of a (dare I say it?)
>> shovel. They'd fall off the back side of a fork, which curves downward.
>>
>
> You don't do everything in reverse? I can't imagine trying to use a
> knife with my non-dominate hand.
>


You should try it. The more you work at it the easier it gets. Maybe I
am slightly ambidextrous because I do a number of gross motor activities
left handed, like using an axe, a baseball bad and canoeing. I can
manage a knife with my left hand, though I am not comfortable. Over the
years I have put some effort into writing left handed. Crossword puzzles
are often done left handed. It takes longer for me to print the letters
but they are sometimes neater than my right handed work.

On 2015-07-30 2:01 AM, sf wrote:

>> Nope. Students pay tuition for post secondary education. University is
>> considerably more expensive than college.
>>
>
> Here, community college is part of the K-12 system and is relatively
> free compared to the other choices. Since the early '70s, all places
> of higher *public* education in the California system are
> universities. They are more expensive than a CC but downright cheap
> compared to attending a private college or university.
>

My first year university tuition (1970) was $515. Somewhere along the
line it rose to $615, which caused a lot of controversy. I just checked
the current rates. It is now $1330 per credit rate and a cap of $6652
for 4 or 5 (max). The local college are closer to $3000, plus materials
and most of them are only 2 year courses.

On 7/30/2015 9:16 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:

>> On 2015-07-29 16:14, Nancy Young wrote:

>>> I don't really get why she thinks the airline should apologize. While
>>> I don't really go along with the don't be near women thing, it's their
>>> religion and I don't take it personally, neither should she. The
>>> airline employee didn't do anything wrong. She was naturally the first
>>> person to ask if she'd move.

> Her objection was that the flight attendant, a rep of the airline,
> requested she switch seats based upon a religious objection of sitting
> next to a woman. There is something more to that than a request to
> switch for comfort or convenience.

We're in agreement here, absolutely.

My take, though, is that airlines pay for every minute they are
waiting for people to be seated so they can leave the gate.
I don't have a problem with the flight attendant starting with
the nearest person, will you switch, no, will you? next.

That flight attendant probably wasn't even being paid at that
point, as I understand it, they are only paid while the plane is
in the air. I think I'd cut to the chase, too. It's my opinion
that the woman saw it one way and the flight attendant wasn't all
that invested with the complexities, just wanted people to sit
down.

In other words, I personally wouldn't have taken it past a
passing irritation. And I don't blame her for being annoyed about
the whole thing, but I'd save it for the guy who started it.

nancy

On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:33:28 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 7/30/2015 9:16 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>>> On 2015-07-29 16:14, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>>> I don't really get why she thinks the airline should apologize. While
>>>> I don't really go along with the don't be near women thing, it's their
>>>> religion and I don't take it personally, neither should she. The
>>>> airline employee didn't do anything wrong. She was naturally the first
>>>> person to ask if she'd move.
>
>> Her objection was that the flight attendant, a rep of the airline,
>> requested she switch seats based upon a religious objection of sitting
>> next to a woman. There is something more to that than a request to
>> switch for comfort or convenience.
>
>We're in agreement here, absolutely.
>
>My take, though, is that airlines pay for every minute they are
>waiting for people to be seated so they can leave the gate.
>I don't have a problem with the flight attendant starting with
>the nearest person, will you switch, no, will you? next.
>
>That flight attendant probably wasn't even being paid at that
>point, as I understand it, they are only paid while the plane is
>in the air. I think I'd cut to the chase, too. It's my opinion
>that the woman saw it one way and the flight attendant wasn't all
>that invested with the complexities, just wanted people to sit
>down.
>
>In other words, I personally wouldn't have taken it past a
>passing irritation. And I don't blame her for being annoyed about
>the whole thing, but I'd save it for the guy who started it.
>
>nancy


I am itching to watch another in-flight kerfluffle.

On 7/30/2015 9:39 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:33:28 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> In other words, I personally wouldn't have taken it past a
>> passing irritation. And I don't blame her for being annoyed about
>> the whole thing, but I'd save it for the guy who started it.

> I am itching to watch another in-flight kerfluffle.

Ha, not me, I all Put your crap in the overhead bin (and
not too much of it!), sit down and be quiet, let's go.

Of course, I'm always in the middle seat, so I'm not all
that happy to start with. Just kidding.

nancy

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2015-07-30 2:01 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >> Nope. Students pay tuition for post secondary education. University is
> >> considerably more expensive than college.
> >>
> >
> > Here, community college is part of the K-12 system and is relatively
> > free compared to the other choices. Since the early '70s, all places
> > of higher *public* education in the California system are
> > universities. They are more expensive than a CC but downright cheap
> > compared to attending a private college or university.
> >
>
> My first year university tuition (1970) was $515. Somewhere along the
> line it rose to $615, which caused a lot of controversy. I just checked
> the current rates. It is now $1330 per credit rate and a cap of $6652
> for 4 or 5 (max). The local college are closer to $3000, plus materials
> and most of them are only 2 year courses.

The books are a rip too...Often costing way over $100 and they replace
them every 2 years.

On 7/30/2015 7:39 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:33:28 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/30/2015 9:16 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>
>>>> On 2015-07-29 16:14, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>>> I don't really get why she thinks the airline should apologize. While
>>>>> I don't really go along with the don't be near women thing, it's their
>>>>> religion and I don't take it personally, neither should she. The
>>>>> airline employee didn't do anything wrong. She was naturally the first
>>>>> person to ask if she'd move.
>>
>>> Her objection was that the flight attendant, a rep of the airline,
>>> requested she switch seats based upon a religious objection of sitting
>>> next to a woman. There is something more to that than a request to
>>> switch for comfort or convenience.
>>
>> We're in agreement here, absolutely.
>>
>> My take, though, is that airlines pay for every minute they are
>> waiting for people to be seated so they can leave the gate.
>> I don't have a problem with the flight attendant starting with
>> the nearest person, will you switch, no, will you? next.
>>
>> That flight attendant probably wasn't even being paid at that
>> point, as I understand it, they are only paid while the plane is
>> in the air. I think I'd cut to the chase, too. It's my opinion
>> that the woman saw it one way and the flight attendant wasn't all
>> that invested with the complexities, just wanted people to sit
>> down.
>>
>> In other words, I personally wouldn't have taken it past a
>> passing irritation. And I don't blame her for being annoyed about
>> the whole thing, but I'd save it for the guy who started it.
>>
>> nancy
>
>
> I am itching to watch another in-flight kerfluffle.
>

Feed off the adversity of others much?

On 7/29/2015 11:49 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> I hold my fork in my left hand (tines up) and my knife in my right hand.
>> That's it. Cut with the right, convey to mouth with left. Once in
>> a while I flip the fork tines down--just for a lark, but only if I'm
>> not eating something like peas, which require more of a (dare I say it?)
>> shovel. They'd fall off the back side of a fork, which curves downward.
>>
>
> You don't do everything in reverse? I can't imagine trying to use a
> knife with my non-dominate hand.
>
Ditto that!

On 7/30/2015 9:25 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-07-30 2:01 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>>>> Nope. Students pay tuition for post secondary education. University is
>>>> considerably more expensive than college.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Here, community college is part of the K-12 system and is relatively
>>> free compared to the other choices. Since the early '70s, all places
>>> of higher *public* education in the California system are
>>> universities. They are more expensive than a CC but downright cheap
>>> compared to attending a private college or university.
>>>
>>
>> My first year university tuition (1970) was $515. Somewhere along the
>> line it rose to $615, which caused a lot of controversy. I just checked
>> the current rates. It is now $1330 per credit rate and a cap of $6652
>> for 4 or 5 (max). The local college are closer to $3000, plus materials
>> and most of them are only 2 year courses.
>
> The books are a rip too...Often costing way over $100 and they replace
> them every 2 years.
>
Which is about the time it takes the left wing publisher's to revise
them and erase OUR history and substitute pro-Muslim rhetoric:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/t...k-muslim-bias/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3678927.html

“Our children deserve facts and accuracy, not history being revised for
our own failure or desire to not offend one culture or another,” said
Workman to the school board, according to Florida Today.

In a video for local outlet WESH-TV, Workman explains that the book,
titled “World History,” dedicates 36 pages to Islam and only several
paragraphs to Christianity. He also says the book “sugar-coats the rise
of Islam.”

"When you report history truly, then you report those horrible things
that we did in the name of Christ or that the Jews did. And you should
also report that in the name of Islam," he told the outlet.

According to Fox News, the book, which is published by Pearson PLC, has
been used for several years in schools across Florida without previously
encountering opposition. While Pearson spokesperson Susan Aspey
confirmed that the book has a chapter titled “Muslim Civilizations,” she
told Fox News that there is “balanced attention given to the beliefs of
Islam, Judaism and Christianity.”

Workman alleges that the textbook publisher told him that it had "hired
a Muslim cleric to write the Muslim section,” according to Fox News.
Aspey denied his claim in her Fox interview and said that "academic
experts did review the content, but they did not write it or edit it."


Now you know why Pearson just sold off the Financial Times to
concentrate on 'EDUCATION!'

On 7/30/2015 1:49 AM, sf wrote:

>>
>
> You don't do everything in reverse? I can't imagine trying to use a
> knife with my non-dominate hand.
>

I'm left handed and slicing with a regular knife it is always held in my
left hand. At the table, fork left, knife right. It is the way I saw it
done when I learned as a kid and have no problem with it.

I also swing a bat or golf club like a righty also, because I just
copied what others were doing. Computer mouse, either way. At work it
is right handed, at home left handed on desktop, right on laptop.

I guess I'm partly ambidextrous.

Ed Pawlowski > wrote in
:

> I also swing a bat or golf club like a righty also, because I
> just copied what others were doing. Computer mouse, either
> way. At work it is right handed, at home left handed on
> desktop, right on laptop.
>
> I guess I'm partly ambidextrous.

I'm right-handed but I deal cards left-handed.

--

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice,
you have chosen the side of the oppressor " --
Desmond Tutu

On 2015-07-30 11:25 AM, Gary wrote:

>> My first year university tuition (1970) was $515. Somewhere along the
>> line it rose to $615, which caused a lot of controversy. I just checked
>> the current rates. It is now $1330 per credit rate and a cap of $6652
>> for 4 or 5 (max). The local college are closer to $3000, plus materials
>> and most of them are only 2 year courses.
>
> The books are a rip too...Often costing way over $100 and they replace
> them every 2 years.
>


Have you priced specialty books lately? They are expensive. All that
that students are taught to be proven science changes quickly.

On 2015-07-30 11:46 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski > wrote in
> :
>
>> I also swing a bat or golf club like a righty also, because I
>> just copied what others were doing. Computer mouse, either
>> way. At work it is right handed, at home left handed on
>> desktop, right on laptop.
>>
>> I guess I'm partly ambidextrous.
>
> I'm right-handed but I deal cards left-handed.
>


I thought you had made it pretty clear that you are a lefty.
;-)

On 7/30/2015 9:33 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>
> In other words, I personally wouldn't have taken it past a
> passing irritation. And I don't blame her for being annoyed about
> the whole thing, but I'd save it for the guy who started it.
>
> nancy


Best solution, if possible, would be to upgrade the woman to a first
class seat and be sure to let the religious nut know she was getting the
best treatment possible.

No seat available? Sit down, shut up, or get off.

On 7/30/2015 9:46 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski > wrote in
> :
>
>> I also swing a bat or golf club like a righty also, because I
>> just copied what others were doing. Computer mouse, either
>> way. At work it is right handed, at home left handed on
>> desktop, right on laptop.
>>
>> I guess I'm partly ambidextrous.
>
> I'm right-handed but I deal cards left-handed.
>

Typical of partis quebequois...

On 7/30/2015 9:50 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-07-30 11:46 AM, Michel Boucher wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> I also swing a bat or golf club like a righty also, because I
>>> just copied what others were doing. Computer mouse, either
>>> way. At work it is right handed, at home left handed on
>>> desktop, right on laptop.
>>>
>>> I guess I'm partly ambidextrous.
>>
>> I'm right-handed but I deal cards left-handed.
>>
>
>
> I thought you had made it pretty clear that you are a lefty.
> ;-)
>
+1

On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:49:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-07-30 11:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>> My first year university tuition (1970) was $515. Somewhere along the
>>> line it rose to $615, which caused a lot of controversy. I just checked
>>> the current rates. It is now $1330 per credit rate and a cap of $6652
>>> for 4 or 5 (max). The local college are closer to $3000, plus materials
>>> and most of them are only 2 year courses.
>>
>> The books are a rip too...Often costing way over $100 and they replace
>> them every 2 years.
>>
>
>
>Have you priced specialty books lately? They are expensive. All that
>that students are taught to be proven science changes quickly.
>


It isn't just science books, though. And online addendums/changes
should be easy enough to carry an edition through at least 3 yrs,
maybe more.

Having put 3 kids through college, I was astounded at the book pricing
and the publisher changes that made any previous edition useless, so
the used book trade dries up.

And I have two college profs in the family. I get the horror stories
from them. Each has created workarounds so their students are not
screwed each year.

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 1:49:34 AM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > I hold my fork in my left hand (tines up) and my knife in my right hand.
> > That's it. Cut with the right, convey to mouth with left. Once in
> > a while I flip the fork tines down--just for a lark, but only if I'm
> > not eating something like peas, which require more of a (dare I say it?)
> > shovel. They'd fall off the back side of a fork, which curves downward.
> >
>
> You don't do everything in reverse? I can't imagine trying to use a
> knife with my non-dominate hand.

I find I prefer the fork in my clever hand. It's doing a more
difficult job. That's why most American switch back and forth.

I can't speak for every southpaw, but having learned to live in a
right-handed world, I'm pretty ambidextrous. My husband, OTOH,
is strongly right-handed and it's been very difficult for him
since his [right] shoulder surgery. People vary.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 11:33:14 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/30/2015 1:49 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> > You don't do everything in reverse? I can't imagine trying to use a
> > knife with my non-dominate hand.
> >
>
> I'm left handed and slicing with a regular knife it is always held in my
> left hand. At the table, fork left, knife right. It is the way I saw it
> done when I learned as a kid and have no problem with it.

I can't recall when I started eating this way; I know my family
does the switcheroo, because my mother commented on my usage
recently (in the last decade).

> I also swing a bat or golf club like a righty also, because I just
> copied what others were doing. Computer mouse, either way. At work it
> is right handed, at home left handed on desktop, right on laptop.
>
> I guess I'm partly ambidextrous.

I'm the same way, except the mouse. I first started using a mouse
sitting at someone else's computer; I didn't feel comfy rearranging
their stuff, so I just got used to it righty. I probably could learn
to use a mouse lefty, but it would take a bit to get it into my
muscle memory.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> On 7/30/2015 9:25 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2015-07-30 2:01 AM, sf wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Nope. Students pay tuition for post secondary education. University is
> >>>> considerably more expensive than college.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Here, community college is part of the K-12 system and is relatively
> >>> free compared to the other choices. Since the early '70s, all places
> >>> of higher *public* education in the California system are
> >>> universities. They are more expensive than a CC but downright cheap
> >>> compared to attending a private college or university.
> >>>
> >>
> >> My first year university tuition (1970) was $515. Somewhere along the
> >> line it rose to $615, which caused a lot of controversy. I just checked
> >> the current rates. It is now $1330 per credit rate and a cap of $6652
> >> for 4 or 5 (max). The local college are closer to $3000, plus materials
> >> and most of them are only 2 year courses.
> >
> > The books are a rip too...Often costing way over $100 and they replace
> > them every 2 years.
> >
> Which is about the time it takes the left wing publisher's to revise
> them and erase OUR history and substitute pro-Muslim rhetoric:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/t...k-muslim-bias/
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3678927.html
>
> "Our children deserve facts and accuracy, not history being revised for
> our own failure or desire to not offend one culture or another," said
> Workman to the school board, according to Florida Today.
>
> In a video for local outlet WESH-TV, Workman explains that the book,
> titled "World History," dedicates 36 pages to Islam and only several
> paragraphs to Christianity.

Seems to me that if you're going to teach stuff, you'd want to
spend less time on things your audience already knows (Christianity)
and more time on unfamiliar material.

What do I know from education? I learned about Islam the old-fashioned
way: by becoming interested in it and reading books in the library.
I've always gone through phases where I become interested in something
(Judaism, Egyptology, Jack the Ripper, Scottish history, etc.) and read a
boatload of material on it. Then the fit passes and I move on to something
else.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/30/2015 10:51 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>> On 7/30/2015 9:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-07-30 2:01 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. Students pay tuition for post secondary education. University is
>>>>>> considerably more expensive than college.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here, community college is part of the K-12 system and is relatively
>>>>> free compared to the other choices. Since the early '70s, all places
>>>>> of higher *public* education in the California system are
>>>>> universities. They are more expensive than a CC but downright cheap
>>>>> compared to attending a private college or university.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My first year university tuition (1970) was $515. Somewhere along the
>>>> line it rose to $615, which caused a lot of controversy. I just checked
>>>> the current rates. It is now $1330 per credit rate and a cap of $6652
>>>> for 4 or 5 (max). The local college are closer to $3000, plus materials
>>>> and most of them are only 2 year courses.
>>>
>>> The books are a rip too...Often costing way over $100 and they replace
>>> them every 2 years.
>>>
>> Which is about the time it takes the left wing publisher's to revise
>> them and erase OUR history and substitute pro-Muslim rhetoric:
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/t...k-muslim-bias/
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3678927.html
>>
>> "Our children deserve facts and accuracy, not history being revised for
>> our own failure or desire to not offend one culture or another," said
>> Workman to the school board, according to Florida Today.
>>
>> In a video for local outlet WESH-TV, Workman explains that the book,
>> titled "World History," dedicates 36 pages to Islam and only several
>> paragraphs to Christianity.
>
> Seems to me that if you're going to teach stuff, you'd want to
> spend less time on things your audience already knows (Christianity)
> and more time on unfamiliar material.

Iow, forget the fundamentals and focus on the esoteric, the non-related,
the off the track material?

How well does that work if one is coaching a sporting team?

How well-served will Americans be by having their actual history
diminished, omitted, or outright erased?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3678927.html

"In a video for local outlet WESH-TV, Workman explains that the book,
titled “World History,” dedicates 36 pages to Islam and only several
paragraphs to Christianity. He also says the book “sugar-coats the rise
of Islam.”

"When you report history truly, then you report those horrible things
that we did in the name of Christ or that the Jews did. And you should
also report that in the name of Islam," he told the outlet."


> What do I know from education?

You got one.

It seems to have served you well.

> I learned about Islam the old-fashioned
> way: by becoming interested in it and reading books in the library.

And that was a bad thing?

> I've always gone through phases where I become interested in something
> (Judaism, Egyptology, Jack the Ripper, Scottish history, etc.) and read a
> boatload of material on it. Then the fit passes and I move on to something
> else.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

So why would it be acceptable to spoon feed students an overload of
Islam and a deficit of OUR dominant religion?

I call that rank bias.

You?

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-07-30 2:01 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>> >> Nope. Students pay tuition for post secondary education. University is
>> >> considerably more expensive than college.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Here, community college is part of the K-12 system and is relatively
>> > free compared to the other choices. Since the early '70s, all places
>> > of higher *public* education in the California system are
>> > universities. They are more expensive than a CC but downright cheap
>> > compared to attending a private college or university.
>> >
>>
>> My first year university tuition (1970) was $515. Somewhere along the
>> line it rose to $615, which caused a lot of controversy. I just checked
>> the current rates. It is now $1330 per credit rate and a cap of $6652
>> for 4 or 5 (max). The local college are closer to $3000, plus materials
>> and most of them are only 2 year courses.
>
> The books are a rip too...Often costing way over $100 and they replace
> them every 2 years.

It was interesting to see the salaries of the higher ups at universities in
CA in the paper today, while tuition etc., keeps going up.

Cheri

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:45:21 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"barbie gee" > wrote in message
ghcrg.pbz...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Your way is unacceptable to us too. The way you describe is upside
>>>>> down,
>>>>> and we don't have to change hands just cut up our food either!!!
>>>>> Hardly
>>>>> elegant, is it?
>>>>
>>>> I think both look fine. I notice a lot of *stars* have taken on the
>>>> European way of holding utensils when eating these past years. I eat
>>>> the
>>>> way I was taught which is the American way, but I think the European
>>>> way
>>>> is much more convenient to be sure.
>>>
>>> As long as it's not a fist, clutching a utensil in a stabbing or
>>> revolting
>>> gouging position, either the American or European way is swell by me.
>>>
>>> It's the boors who hold their utensils like screwdrivers and wrenches
>>> that
>>> make me cringe.
>>
>>I am totally with you there, I hate that too.
>>
>>Cheri
>
>
> Your two seem to have a lot of time on your hands and enough excess
> dudgeon to go to the moon and back.

Seems like you have a lot of time on your hairy caveman hands too. Fork you!
LOL

Cheri

On 7/30/2015 11:59 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:45:21 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "barbie gee" > wrote in message
>>> crg.pbz...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Your way is unacceptable to us too. The way you describe is upside
>>>>>> down,
>>>>>> and we don't have to change hands just cut up our food either!!!
>>>>>> Hardly
>>>>>> elegant, is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think both look fine. I notice a lot of *stars* have taken on the
>>>>> European way of holding utensils when eating these past years. I
>>>>> eat the
>>>>> way I was taught which is the American way, but I think the
>>>>> European way
>>>>> is much more convenient to be sure.
>>>>
>>>> As long as it's not a fist, clutching a utensil in a stabbing or
>>>> revolting
>>>> gouging position, either the American or European way is swell by me.
>>>>
>>>> It's the boors who hold their utensils like screwdrivers and
>>>> wrenches that
>>>> make me cringe.
>>>
>>> I am totally with you there, I hate that too.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>>
>> Your two seem to have a lot of time on your hands and enough excess
>> dudgeon to go to the moon and back.
>
> Seems like you have a lot of time on your hairy caveman hands too. Fork
> you! LOL
>
> Cheri


Don't be fooled, he's all spork inside...

On 7/30/2015 12:03 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/30/2015 9:33 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>
>> In other words, I personally wouldn't have taken it past a
>> passing irritation. And I don't blame her for being annoyed about
>> the whole thing, but I'd save it for the guy who started it.

> Best solution, if possible, would be to upgrade the woman to a first
> class seat and be sure to let the religious nut know she was getting the
> best treatment possible.

Ha, that would be justice. If there was ever a time to
bump someone up, that would be it.

> No seat available? Sit down, shut up, or get off.

Really. You didn't make accommodation ahead of time for your
particular sensitivity, don't expect everyone to jump when you
say Change! I can't sit next to this pariah.

Okay, I don't know why people of this faith have that rule, if
it's meant to be insulting/whatever, but I can certainly see
that it would be taken that way. As Boron said, how would it
fly (harrr) if I said I won't sit next to this Jewish or black
person.

nancy