On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 10:58:53 AM UTC-5, Sal Paradise wrote:
>
> On 7/31/2015 7:47 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >> From memory it had a greasy coating.
> > That has nothing to do with the coating and everything to do with the
> > temperature of the cooking oil.
> >
> > --
> Precisely!
>
>
Amen. I thought _anyone_ that claims they can cook
would know this. I guess not.

On 8/1/2015 5:55 AM, wrote:
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America
and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms
a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity,
Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the
Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The
U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in
the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a
more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not
come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers
purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of
Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the
Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the
1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:

Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[bold caps, mine]

Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his
January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist
Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State."
Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation
between religion and government in the Constitution of the United
States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from
our Founding Fathers.

If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church &
State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects
their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of
religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have
more churches than Seven-Elevens.

Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the
wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully
eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no
secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other
religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows
atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems,
regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.

On 8/1/2015 5:30 AM, dsi1 wrote:
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America
and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms
a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity,
Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the
Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The
U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in
the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a
more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not
come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers
purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of
Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the
Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the
1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:

Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[bold caps, mine]

Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his
January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist
Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State."
Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation
between religion and government in the Constitution of the United
States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from
our Founding Fathers.

If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church &
State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects
their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of
religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have
more churches than Seven-Elevens.

Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the
wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully
eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no
secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other
religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows
atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems,
regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.

On 8/1/2015 4:47 AM, sf wrote:
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America
and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms
a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity,
Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the
Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The
U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in
the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a
more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not
come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers
purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of
Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the
Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the
1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:

Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[bold caps, mine]

Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his
January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist
Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State."
Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation
between religion and government in the Constitution of the United
States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from
our Founding Fathers.

If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church &
State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects
their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of
religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have
more churches than Seven-Elevens.

Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the
wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully
eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no
secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other
religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows
atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems,
regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.

On 8/1/2015 4:39 AM, Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal wrote:

Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD!

Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record
ID: 47846596.

Your ass has more mass than Jupiter!

No one cares about you.

Get OUT!


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On 8/1/2015 4:33 AM, Roy wrote:
If any of these associations raised questions in the mind of George
Bush, Jr., he had little incentive to voice them. Besides getting Harken
stock through the deal, Junior was paid $80,000 a year as a consultant
(until 1989, when his wages were increased to $120,000; recently they
were reduced to $45,000). He was also allowed to borrow $180,375 from
the company at very low interest rates. In 1989 and 1990, according to
the company's Securities and Exchange Commission filing, Harken's board
"forgave" $341,000 in loans to its executives. In addition, Junior took
advantage of the company's ultraliberal executive stock purchase plan,
which allowed him to buy Harken stock at 40 percent below market value.

Such lavish executive compensation would suggest a company doing quite
well indeed. But in reality, Harken had little going for itself. One
Wall Street analyst called Harken's web of insider stock deals and
mounting debt "a lot of jiggery-pokery." Harken was not making money and
could not have continued into 1990 without at least some means of
convincing lenders and investors that the company would soon find a lot
of oil.

On 8/1/2015 4:33 AM, Roy wrote:
If any of these associations raised questions in the mind of George
Bush, Jr., he had little incentive to voice them. Besides getting Harken
stock through the deal, Junior was paid $80,000 a year as a consultant
(until 1989, when his wages were increased to $120,000; recently they
were reduced to $45,000). He was also allowed to borrow $180,375 from
the company at very low interest rates. In 1989 and 1990, according to
the company's Securities and Exchange Commission filing, Harken's board
"forgave" $341,000 in loans to its executives. In addition, Junior took
advantage of the company's ultraliberal executive stock purchase plan,
which allowed him to buy Harken stock at 40 percent below market value.

Such lavish executive compensation would suggest a company doing quite
well indeed. But in reality, Harken had little going for itself. One
Wall Street analyst called Harken's web of insider stock deals and
mounting debt "a lot of jiggery-pokery." Harken was not making money and
could not have continued into 1990 without at least some means of
convincing lenders and investors that the company would soon find a lot
of oil.

On 8/1/2015 5:30 AM, dsi1 wrote:
If any of these associations raised questions in the mind of George
Bush, Jr., he had little incentive to voice them. Besides getting Harken
stock through the deal, Junior was paid $80,000 a year as a consultant
(until 1989, when his wages were increased to $120,000; recently they
were reduced to $45,000). He was also allowed to borrow $180,375 from
the company at very low interest rates. In 1989 and 1990, according to
the company's Securities and Exchange Commission filing, Harken's board
"forgave" $341,000 in loans to its executives. In addition, Junior took
advantage of the company's ultraliberal executive stock purchase plan,
which allowed him to buy Harken stock at 40 percent below market value.

Such lavish executive compensation would suggest a company doing quite
well indeed. But in reality, Harken had little going for itself. One
Wall Street analyst called Harken's web of insider stock deals and
mounting debt "a lot of jiggery-pokery." Harken was not making money and
could not have continued into 1990 without at least some means of
convincing lenders and investors that the company would soon find a lot
of oil.

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 08:23:44 -0300, wrote:

>On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 16:38:43 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>Windfalls being apples or other fruit?
>
>Yep ones that fall off the tree by themselves. There are lots of old
>apple trees in fields in his area that nobody tends, nobody is going
>to get exercised if you collect the apples.
>>
>\>
>>I also have a few cameras like that, I always have them set in certain
>>places in the bush. It's amazing the amount of wildlife it captures. I
>>put one facing a track, and in a week it captured hundreds of animals.
>>Tasmanian devils, kangaroos, wallabies, wombats, rabbits, deer, feral
>>cats, possums and miscellaneous birds. Been doing that for about a
>>year, and still get a kick out of going through the pics.
>
>The pick of his was an orphaned bear, about a year old, they quite
>thought one of the males would put paid to it but it teamed up with
>another mum with a new baby.

Very cool...

>>>I believe you need a permit, over and above a hunting licence, to kill
>>>one bear but really am not sure. The hunting bit is what we avoid
>>>talking about - I will never see it his way.
>>
>>Yeah. Some animals I just won't kill. At the very least they need to
>>be for food or be a feral animal, such as cats. The latter is never
>>easy for me, as I really love cats. The feral cats cause a lot of
>>harm, so... I doubt I could kill a bear though.
>
>My son usually takes his one, also a deer and it all gets eaten. Some
>of the deer is made into what we call Bamberoni and very tasty. He
>takes it to a butcher locally who does all that.

Some butchers are quite cheap for that task, very time saving for
people not sure/inexperienced, or just to avoid the time it takes and
mess involved. I like to do my own in the colder months, warmer months
is another matter as I don't have a cool room. Yet.

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 10:36:46 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>Yeah. Some animals I just won't kill. At the very least they need to
>>be for food or be a feral animal, such as cats. The latter is never
>>easy for me, as I really love cats. The feral cats cause a lot of
>>harm, so... I doubt I could kill a bear though.
>
>Besides ridding property of rodent vermin what harm do feral cats do?

They kill wildlife, and are very destructive in Australia,
particularly for marsupials.

>Bird
>feeders have hardly a chance. I feed birds by tossing seed directly
>on the ground about fifty feet from shrubs, trees, fences, or any kind
>of cover and the ferals can't sneak up on them.

LOL. So your strategy revolves around saving wild birds by feeding
them? Should I send a memo out to all the birds in Tasmania, so that I
can feed them in one large, open area?

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 9:29:26 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 06:47:27 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 10:16:12 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> "sf" wrote in message ...
> >>
> >> On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:05:27 +0100, "Ophelia"
> >> > wrote:
> >> > ---
> >> > http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> >> > "dsi1" wrote in message ...
> >> >
> >> > On 7/29/2015 4:49 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "William" > wrote in message
> >> > > ...
> >> > >
> >> > >> Thanks for the link Cindy, I really would enjoy finding fast food
> >> > >> fried chicken better than KFC. I read half way into that first
> >> > >> paragraph and the writer of that article lost all credibility. There
> >> > >> is a Popeye's Chicken Restaurant in my town. I went there and tried
> >> > >> it
> >> > >> one day. I took one bite and felt I should call the Police and the
> >> > >> health department to find out why this company is allowed to sell
> >> > >> food
> >> > >> in my town. A fried blob of every maximum hot pepper known to
> >> > >> mankind.
> >> > >> There is a certain demographic who frequent this place but I don't
> >> > >> see
> >> > >> how they can stay in business very long. I really don't think they
> >> > >> could capture half a percent of KFC's business.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> William
> >> > >
> >> > > Interesting. A new Popeye's opened up in our town and I have been
> >> > > wanting to try it, just haven't. Are you saying that the food is hot
> >> > > pepper like? I hate hot pepper spiced foods.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheri
> >> >
> >> > Popeye's is minor league material compared to the Korean and Chinese
> >> > entries as far as spiciness goes. My favorite fried chicken is Chicken
> >> > Alice's fried chicken. The technique used here is the marinate the
> >> > chicken in a batter and go straight from the marinating pan into the
> >> > fryer. This is a very fast way to do fried chicken.
> >> >
> >> > ===========
> >> >
> >> > Battering chicken is just ... wrong ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> You've never had beer battered chicken or maybe one with light coating
> >> of tempura (which is a batter)?
> >>
> >> ==========================================
> >>
> >> No and I don't want to. I prefer it cooked in many ways, including
> >> breaded
> >> but ...
> >>
> >> Does KFC batter their chicken??? If so I expect that is what I disliked
> >> so
> >> much.
> >>
> >Can't tell you. KFC has gone through its ups and downs.
>
> How can you tell the difference between a horrible joint that's having
> an up and a horrible joint that's having a down?
>
The Original Recipe pressure fried chicken is a very unique thing, and it
is easy to imagine a person loving it or hating it. The chicken is marinated
in salt, sodium phosphate and MSG solution before breading and pressure
frying. The most likely phosphate used is sodium tripolyphosphate, though
that is merely my guess. I keep STPP around for cleaning cooked on grease
from the interior of frying pans, and for cleaning my rangetop. It is
perfectly non-toxic in concentrations that one would use to marinate.

--Bryan

In article >,
says...
>
> Reading further into the Wikipedia article, I was shocked to learn
> there are more Kentucky Fried Chicken outlets in China than in the
> United States.


The population of China is 1,371,270,000

The population of USA is a modest 321,524,000

Janet UK

On 8/1/2015 8:44 AM, Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal wrote:

Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD!

Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record
ID: 47846596.

Your ass has more mass than Jupiter!

No one cares about you.

Get OUT!


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,' `.
_,' \
_.._,--'' , |
, ,',, _| _,.'| | |
\\||/,'(,' '--'' | | |
_ ||| | /-' |
| | (- -)<`._ | / /
| | \_\O/_/`-.(<< |____/ /
| | / \ / -'| `--.'|
| | \___/ / /
| | H H / | |
|_|_..-H-H--.._ / ,| |
|-.._"_"__..-| | _-/ | |
| | | | \_ |
Barbara Llorente | | | | |
| The | |____| | |
|Troll Enabler | _..' | |____|
jrei | |_(____..._' _.' |
`-..______..-'"" (___..--'

On 8/1/2015 7:30 AM, Je�us wrote:
The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense
founded on the Christian religion

The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America
and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms
a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity,
Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the
Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The
U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in
the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a
more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not
come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers
purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of
Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the
Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the
1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:

Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[bold caps, mine]

Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his
January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist
Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State."
Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation
between religion and government in the Constitution of the United
States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from
our Founding Fathers.

If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church &
State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects
their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of
religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have
more churches than Seven-Elevens.

Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the
wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully
eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no
secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other
religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows
atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems,
regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/28/2015 4:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > The idea that elderly people go to McDonald's to meet their friends
> > sounds very sad to me. Imagine having lived 75 years and not having
> > gotten any further than hanging out at McDonald's.
> >
>
> What alternatives would you suggest?
>
> Seniors can get a coffee for 79 cents a sandwich for a buck or so.
> They meet their old buddies from work or the old neighbors, etc.
> They are welcome to stay as long as they want.
>
> In my town they can go to Bill's Breakfast and spend at least $8 and
> are expected to leave and free up that table when done.
>
> It makes you sad, but the people I see there seem to be enjoying the
> company of their peers rather that sitting home watching Jerry
> Springer or sending cranky messages to newsgroups. Socializing with
> others is beneficial.

Agreed. I see no harm in this and it fits the pocketbook of man on a
fixed limited income.

It's all very interesting that some are well heeled, but the real
groups meet where they can all afford it.

--

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:33:46 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On 7/28/2015 4:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> > The idea that elderly people go to McDonald's to meet their
> friends >> > sounds very sad to me. Imagine having lived 75 years and
> not having >> > gotten any further than hanging out at McDonald's.
> >> >
> >>
> >> What alternatives would you suggest?
> >>
> >> Seniors can get a coffee for 79 cents a sandwich for a buck or so.
> >> They meet their old buddies from work or the old neighbors, etc.
> >> They are welcome to stay as long as they want.
> >>
> >> In my town they can go to Bill's Breakfast and spend at least $8
> and >> are expected to leave and free up that table when done.
> >>
> >> It makes you sad, but the people I see there seem to be enjoying
> the >> company of their peers rather that sitting home watching Jerry
> >> Springer or sending cranky messages to newsgroups. Socializing
> with >> others is beneficial.
> >
> > Agreed. I see no harm in this and it fits the pocketbook of man on
> > a fixed limited income.
> >
> > It's all very interesting that some are well heeled, but the real
> > groups meet where they can all afford it.
>
> Like in a park, where they bring their own coffee? Nicer environment
> and even cheaper.
>
> "Socializing with others is beneficial" is a big duh, by the way.

Not everyone wants to sit outside. Do you have an issue with people
meeting up where they want to meet up at?


--

On 8/2/2015 8:42 AM, Bruce wrote:
As Jeb Bush prepares for his imminent presidential campaign, the
American people must keep in mind just who this man is and the crimes he
committed rigging the 2000 presidential election, which put his brother
George W. in the Oval Office, set us on the road to the Iraq War, the
Great Recession, destroyed America’s standing in the world, altered
American history forever.

Jeb Bush just so happened to be the Governor of Florida during that
election, and as you may recall, the Florida vote was so close that
recounts were requested and eventually declared his brother the winner.
Katherine Harris, Jeb’s secretary of state and the co-chair of the
George W. campaign, organized the election system that somehow ended up
losing or spoiling the ballots of hundreds of thousands of
African-American voters, who just so coincidentally tend to vote
Democratic. During the recount period, it is documented that the
Governor’s office made 95 calls to the Bush campaign- calls which Jeb
somehow “cannot remember” the reason for. That answer is unacceptable
for allegations of such importance. Why can’t you remember, Jeb?

On 7/28/2015 10:36 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 1:43:51 PM UTC-6, Directorate of Troll Removal and Disposal wrote:
>> On 7/28/2015 5:41 AM, Saint George wrote:
>> Bush once called for building prisons and emphasizing "punishment over
>> therapy" for juvenile offenders. Today, he supports reforming the
>> criminal justice system, arguing that incarceration can harden low-level
>> lawbreakers into career criminals.
>>
>> Bush "does not flip-flop," a Bush adviser said. "He learns. When he
>> learns, he changes." Bush was particularly influenced by the experience
>> of governing: he suddenly had access to measurements of what worked, and
>> what did not, on issues like juvenile justice
>
> No more of this Bush shit...you hear?
As Jeb Bush prepares for his imminent presidential campaign, the
American people must keep in mind just who this man is and the crimes he
committed rigging the 2000 presidential election, which put his brother
George W. in the Oval Office, set us on the road to the Iraq War, the
Great Recession, destroyed America’s standing in the world, altered
American history forever.

Jeb Bush just so happened to be the Governor of Florida during that
election, and as you may recall, the Florida vote was so close that
recounts were requested and eventually declared his brother the winner.
Katherine Harris, Jeb’s secretary of state and the co-chair of the
George W. campaign, organized the election system that somehow ended up
losing or spoiling the ballots of hundreds of thousands of
African-American voters, who just so coincidentally tend to vote
Democratic. During the recount period, it is documented that the
Governor’s office made 95 calls to the Bush campaign- calls which Jeb
somehow “cannot remember” the reason for. That answer is unacceptable
for allegations of such importance. Why can’t you remember, Jeb?

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:33:46 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On 7/28/2015 4:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> > The idea that elderly people go to McDonald's to meet their
> friends >> > sounds very sad to me. Imagine having lived 75 years and
> not having >> > gotten any further than hanging out at McDonald's.
> >> >
> >>
> >> What alternatives would you suggest?
> >>
> >> Seniors can get a coffee for 79 cents a sandwich for a buck or so.
> >> They meet their old buddies from work or the old neighbors, etc.
> >> They are welcome to stay as long as they want.
> >>
> >> In my town they can go to Bill's Breakfast and spend at least $8
> and >> are expected to leave and free up that table when done.
> >>
> >> It makes you sad, but the people I see there seem to be enjoying
> the >> company of their peers rather that sitting home watching Jerry
> >> Springer or sending cranky messages to newsgroups. Socializing
> with >> others is beneficial.
> >
> > Agreed. I see no harm in this and it fits the pocketbook of man on
> > a fixed limited income.
> >
> > It's all very interesting that some are well heeled, but the real
> > groups meet where they can all afford it.
>
> Like in a park, where they bring their own coffee? Nicer environment
> and even cheaper.
>
> "Socializing with others is beneficial" is a big duh, by the way.

I am sure some do meet in a park, but many more meet in a climate
controlled simple place with an accessable bathroom and some munchies!

Dennys is popular here. (for those not familiar with that name, the
have a simple 2.99 breakfast type available all day. I believe it is 1
egg, 2 pieces of toast and a small sausage plus coffee).

I've met up with a very nice group there where they swap coupons before
shopping at the nearby Harris Teeters.

Carol

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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 18:49:31 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:33:46 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> >> On 7/28/2015 4:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > The idea that elderly people go to McDonald's to meet their
> >> friends >> > sounds very sad to me. Imagine having lived 75 years
> and >> not having >> > gotten any further than hanging out at
> McDonald's. >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> What alternatives would you suggest?
> >> >>
> >> >> Seniors can get a coffee for 79 cents a sandwich for a buck or
> so. >> >> They meet their old buddies from work or the old
> neighbors, etc. >> >> They are welcome to stay as long as they want.
> >> >>
> >> >> In my town they can go to Bill's Breakfast and spend at least $8
> >> and >> are expected to leave and free up that table when done.
> >> >>
> >> >> It makes you sad, but the people I see there seem to be enjoying
> >> the >> company of their peers rather that sitting home watching
> Jerry >> >> Springer or sending cranky messages to newsgroups.
> Socializing >> with >> others is beneficial.
> >> >
> >> > Agreed. I see no harm in this and it fits the pocketbook of man
> on >> > a fixed limited income.
> >> >
> >> > It's all very interesting that some are well heeled, but the real
> >> > groups meet where they can all afford it.
> >>
> >> Like in a park, where they bring their own coffee? Nicer
> environment >> and even cheaper.
> >>
> >> "Socializing with others is beneficial" is a big duh, by the way.
> >
> > Not everyone wants to sit outside. Do you have an issue with people
> > meeting up where they want to meet up at?
>
> I'm only trying to say that if you don't have a lot of money,
> McDonald's still isn't your only option. But if it works for them,
> that's what matters.

Yup, and the available bathroom and climate control works pretty nice
too ;-)



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On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:34:56 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:33:46 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > >> On 7/28/2015 4:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > The idea that elderly people go to McDonald's to meet their
> > friends >> > sounds very sad to me. Imagine having lived 75 years and
> > not having >> > gotten any further than hanging out at McDonald's.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> What alternatives would you suggest?
> > >>
> > >> Seniors can get a coffee for 79 cents a sandwich for a buck or so.
> > >> They meet their old buddies from work or the old neighbors, etc.
> > >> They are welcome to stay as long as they want.
> > >>
> > >> In my town they can go to Bill's Breakfast and spend at least $8
> > and >> are expected to leave and free up that table when done.
> > >>
> > >> It makes you sad, but the people I see there seem to be enjoying
> > the >> company of their peers rather that sitting home watching Jerry
> > >> Springer or sending cranky messages to newsgroups. Socializing
> > with >> others is beneficial.
> > >
> > > Agreed. I see no harm in this and it fits the pocketbook of man on
> > > a fixed limited income.
> > >
> > > It's all very interesting that some are well heeled, but the real
> > > groups meet where they can all afford it.
> >
> > Like in a park, where they bring their own coffee? Nicer environment
> > and even cheaper.
> >
> > "Socializing with others is beneficial" is a big duh, by the way.
>
> I am sure some do meet in a park, but many more meet in a climate
> controlled simple place with an accessable bathroom and some munchies!
>
> Dennys is popular here. (for those not familiar with that name, the
> have a simple 2.99 breakfast type available all day. I believe it is 1
> egg, 2 pieces of toast and a small sausage plus coffee).
>
> I've met up with a very nice group there where they swap coupons before
> shopping at the nearby Harris Teeters.
>
> Carol
>
> --

Denny's makes Okinawan andagi a.k.a., Pancake Puppies as good as my grandma used to make. It's tough to find andagi around here but Denny's will fry me up a hot batch to order - Thanks Denny's!

http://archives.starbulletin.com/200...es/story1.html

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:34:56 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:33:46 -0500, "cshenk" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > > >> On 7/28/2015 4:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > The idea that elderly people go to McDonald's to meet their
> > > friends >> > sounds very sad to me. Imagine having lived 75 years
> > > and not having >> > gotten any further than hanging out at
> > > McDonald's. >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> What alternatives would you suggest?
> > > >>
> > > >> Seniors can get a coffee for 79 cents a sandwich for a buck or
> > > so. >> They meet their old buddies from work or the old
> > > neighbors, etc. >> They are welcome to stay as long as they want.
> > > >>
> > > >> In my town they can go to Bill's Breakfast and spend at least
> > > $8 and >> are expected to leave and free up that table when done.
> > > >>
> > > >> It makes you sad, but the people I see there seem to be
> > > enjoying the >> company of their peers rather that sitting home
> > > watching Jerry >> Springer or sending cranky messages to
> > > newsgroups. Socializing with >> others is beneficial.
> > > >
> > > > Agreed. I see no harm in this and it fits the pocketbook of
> > > > man on a fixed limited income.
> > > >
> > > > It's all very interesting that some are well heeled, but the
> > > > real groups meet where they can all afford it.
> > >
> > > Like in a park, where they bring their own coffee? Nicer
> > > environment and even cheaper.
> > >
> > > "Socializing with others is beneficial" is a big duh, by the way.
> >
> > I am sure some do meet in a park, but many more meet in a climate
> > controlled simple place with an accessable bathroom and some
> > munchies!
> >
> > Dennys is popular here. (for those not familiar with that name, the
> > have a simple 2.99 breakfast type available all day. I believe it
> > is 1 egg, 2 pieces of toast and a small sausage plus coffee).
> >
> > I've met up with a very nice group there where they swap coupons
> > before shopping at the nearby Harris Teeters.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> > --
>
> Denny's makes Okinawan andagi a.k.a., Pancake Puppies as good as my
> grandma used to make. It's tough to find andagi around here but
> Denny's will fry me up a hot batch to order - Thanks Denny's!
>
> http://archives.starbulletin.com/200...es/story1.html

Cool! I've had them in Okinawa too! Andoggies (sp?) as well which is
a totally lovely way to have a hot dog.

I just checked Dennys and it's 2 eggs for 2.99 and 1 for a 1.99
special. At least, locally. Yup, popular place to stop and swap up
coupons or just have a coffee with some friends here.

Of course they have more. Some pretty decent salads with soup and such
here. I havent checked to much deeper into the menu since for me it's
more an early morning spot to sort things and wait for friends to
arrive for an event.

Carol

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On 8/2/2015 1:12 PM, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:34:56 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:33:46 -0500, "cshenk" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/28/2015 4:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea that elderly people go to McDonald's to meet their
>>>> friends >> > sounds very sad to me. Imagine having lived 75 years
>>>> and not having >> > gotten any further than hanging out at
>>>> McDonald's. >> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What alternatives would you suggest?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seniors can get a coffee for 79 cents a sandwich for a buck or
>>>> so. >> They meet their old buddies from work or the old
>>>> neighbors, etc. >> They are welcome to stay as long as they want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my town they can go to Bill's Breakfast and spend at least
>>>> $8 and >> are expected to leave and free up that table when done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It makes you sad, but the people I see there seem to be
>>>> enjoying the >> company of their peers rather that sitting home
>>>> watching Jerry >> Springer or sending cranky messages to
>>>> newsgroups. Socializing with >> others is beneficial.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. I see no harm in this and it fits the pocketbook of
>>>>> man on a fixed limited income.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's all very interesting that some are well heeled, but the
>>>>> real groups meet where they can all afford it.
>>>>
>>>> Like in a park, where they bring their own coffee? Nicer
>>>> environment and even cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> "Socializing with others is beneficial" is a big duh, by the way.
>>>
>>> I am sure some do meet in a park, but many more meet in a climate
>>> controlled simple place with an accessable bathroom and some
>>> munchies!
>>>
>>> Dennys is popular here. (for those not familiar with that name, the
>>> have a simple 2.99 breakfast type available all day. I believe it
>>> is 1 egg, 2 pieces of toast and a small sausage plus coffee).
>>>
>>> I've met up with a very nice group there where they swap coupons
>>> before shopping at the nearby Harris Teeters.
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Denny's makes Okinawan andagi a.k.a., Pancake Puppies as good as my
>> grandma used to make. It's tough to find andagi around here but
>> Denny's will fry me up a hot batch to order - Thanks Denny's!
>>
>> http://archives.starbulletin.com/200...es/story1.html
>
> Cool! I've had them in Okinawa too! Andoggies (sp?) as well which is
> a totally lovely way to have a hot dog.

I used to be fascinated with the frying of andagi. The things would
magically turn themselves when they needed to. I wish all foods did that!

I've never had a hot dog served like that. The idea doesn't appeal to me
but it seems to be a hit with the local folks. I'm afraid to try it
because I might like it and that would be a very bad thing.

We have a Denny's in our little town. I think it's great because it's
like having a slice of the mainland on this rock in the middle of
nowhere. It's as if we are transported a couple of thousand miles East
merely by walking through those doors. Super cool!

>
> I just checked Dennys and it's 2 eggs for 2.99 and 1 for a 1.99
> special. At least, locally. Yup, popular place to stop and swap up
> coupons or just have a coffee with some friends here.
>
> Of course they have more. Some pretty decent salads with soup and such
> here. I havent checked to much deeper into the menu since for me it's
> more an early morning spot to sort things and wait for friends to
> arrive for an event.
>
> Carol
>

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 8/2/2015 1:12 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 10:34:56 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:33:46 -0500, "cshenk" >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/28/2015 4:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The idea that elderly people go to McDonald's to meet
> > > > > > > > their
> >>>>friends >> > sounds very sad to me. Imagine having lived 75 years
> >>>>and not having >> > gotten any further than hanging out at
> >>>>McDonald's. >> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What alternatives would you suggest?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Seniors can get a coffee for 79 cents a sandwich for a
> > > > > > > buck or
> >>>>so. >> They meet their old buddies from work or the old
> >>>>neighbors, etc. >> They are welcome to stay as long as they want.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In my town they can go to Bill's Breakfast and spend at
> > > > > > > least
> >>>>$8 and >> are expected to leave and free up that table when done.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It makes you sad, but the people I see there seem to be
> >>>>enjoying the >> company of their peers rather that sitting home
> >>>>watching Jerry >> Springer or sending cranky messages to
> >>>>newsgroups. Socializing with >> others is beneficial.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agreed. I see no harm in this and it fits the pocketbook of
> > > > > > man on a fixed limited income.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's all very interesting that some are well heeled, but the
> > > > > > real groups meet where they can all afford it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Like in a park, where they bring their own coffee? Nicer
> > > > > environment and even cheaper.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Socializing with others is beneficial" is a big duh, by the
> > > > > way.
> > > >
> > > > I am sure some do meet in a park, but many more meet in a
> > > > climate controlled simple place with an accessable bathroom and
> > > > some munchies!
> > > >
> > > > Dennys is popular here. (for those not familiar with that
> > > > name, the have a simple 2.99 breakfast type available all day.
> > > > I believe it is 1 egg, 2 pieces of toast and a small sausage
> > > > plus coffee).
> > > >
> > > > I've met up with a very nice group there where they swap coupons
> > > > before shopping at the nearby Harris Teeters.
> > > >
> >>> Carol
> > > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > > Denny's makes Okinawan andagi a.k.a., Pancake Puppies as good as
> > > my grandma used to make. It's tough to find andagi around here but
> > > Denny's will fry me up a hot batch to order - Thanks Denny's!
> > >
> > > http://archives.starbulletin.com/200...es/story1.html
> >
> > Cool! I've had them in Okinawa too! Andoggies (sp?) as well which
> > is a totally lovely way to have a hot dog.
>
> I used to be fascinated with the frying of andagi. The things would
> magically turn themselves when they needed to. I wish all foods did
> that!
>
> I've never had a hot dog served like that. The idea doesn't appeal to
> me but it seems to be a hit with the local folks. I'm afraid to try
> it because I might like it and that would be a very bad thing.
>
> We have a Denny's in our little town. I think it's great because it's
> like having a slice of the mainland on this rock in the middle of
> nowhere. It's as if we are transported a couple of thousand miles
> East merely by walking through those doors. Super cool!
>
> >
> > I just checked Dennys and it's 2 eggs for 2.99 and 1 for a 1.99
> > special. At least, locally. Yup, popular place to stop and swap up
> > coupons or just have a coffee with some friends here.
> >
> > Of course they have more. Some pretty decent salads with soup and
> > such here. I havent checked to much deeper into the menu since for
> > me it's more an early morning spot to sort things and wait for
> > friends to arrive for an event.
> >
> > Carol
> >

Yes, they arent super fancy but sometimes, simple and plain is what you
want! Locally, the fruit side dish is pretty good.

Carol

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On 2015-08-03, cshenk > wrote:

> Grin, it's not haute quisine but it's ok for the price point.

Most Denny's are basic low price point coffee shops. Almost
everything comes in a frozen or dehydrated state before prep. Again,
it comes down to the owner of the fanchise. My father usta go to a
new Denny's that had pretty good food. Definitely better than most
other Denny's.

I've seen the same thing with other chains. We had two Applebee's
about 5 miles apart. One totally sucked, the other didn't. One
served up a fish n' chip plate to die for. Big ol' fat chunks of
breaded cod. The other served cold limp talapia filets. No contest.

nb

On 8/4/2015 3:45 AM, notbob wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.

On 8/4/2015 3:45 AM, notbob wrote:
Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave women rights; rights that could
not have been imagined by European counterparts. Bold words! Words
that have been spoken repeatedly, especially in the last two or three
decades by Muslim converts, and Islamic writers, academics and educators
across the globe. Women’s rights, responsibilities, and choices have
been the subject of books, articles, essays, and lectures. Sadly
however, convincing the world that Muslim women are not oppressed by
Islam is a message that is just not getting through. Media headlines
scream oppression and the words Muslim, women, and oppression seem to
have become inextricably linked.

No matter what Muslim women do or say to try to convince the world
otherwise, words like hijab, burka, polygamy, and Sharia seem to do
little but convince people that Islam oppresses women. Even educated,
articulate women fulfilling the modest conditions of hijab can do little
to dispel the myths. Women who conduct themselves with decorum and
grace and function effortlessly in the modern world have their
achievements and successes celebrated. However, if a woman wears a
scarf, covers her hair or puts her religion above worldly pursuits she
is immediately labelled oppressed. One wonders if this is the case for
women of other religious persuasions.

On 8/3/2015 1:07 PM, Bruce wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/3/2015 6:38 AM, cshenk wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

On 8/3/2015 8:08 AM, dsi1 wrote:
Running for the White House, Jeb Bush portrays himself as a man who has
"worked his tail off" to get ahead in life. But in his business
dealings—which involved such diverse fields as real estate, credit card
services, and water pumps—the candidate seemed to benefit from his
father's political power and worked with people who turned out to be
criminals, the Washington Post reports. Bush's business outlook in his
early years was "a little bit of damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead,"
says a professor who wrote about him. "His judgment on who to associate
with is lacking." Unlike his father and brother George, who each made
fortunes as young men, Jeb jumped from one business venture to another,
at times with unsavory characters.

notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2015-08-03, cshenk > wrote:
>
> > Grin, it's not haute quisine but it's ok for the price point.
>
> Most Denny's are basic low price point coffee shops. Almost
> everything comes in a frozen or dehydrated state before prep. Again,
> it comes down to the owner of the fanchise. My father usta go to a
> new Denny's that had pretty good food. Definitely better than most
> other Denny's.
>
> I've seen the same thing with other chains. We had two Applebee's
> about 5 miles apart. One totally sucked, the other didn't. One
> served up a fish n' chip plate to die for. Big ol' fat chunks of
> breaded cod. The other served cold limp talapia filets. No contest.
>
> nb

Yes, they do vary. The one I use by HT on VB BLVD in the SAMs club
complex is decent for the price. Charlotte got the small stack 2$
pancake set once (more a noshe than a meal) and she said it was good.

We don't there but 3-4 times a year but haven't had a bad experience
yet.



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