On 29 Jul 2015 00:54:29 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-07-29, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> I'm also in the mountains, but not that high up
>> Check out this page, it has some good advice the
>> http://learn.eartheasy.com/2014/01/t...er-composting/
>> Summer isn't really an issue for composting so much.
>
>Great resource website. Thnx, Jeß.
>
>Looks like I'm gonna hafta build my own DIY compost tumbler.

It'll be worth it in the long run, making the whole process easier,
which will encourage you to make even more than you do now.

Speaking of such things, what a drama here the other day... I had a
large truck deliver about 15 tons of screened cow poo for the veggie
garden and orchard. The ground in the yard was softer than we
realised... two hours later we got him out with the tractor, combined
with my 4X4. I have a bit of re landscaping of the grass/lawn to do
now.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 20:43:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-07-28 19:48, wrote:
>> On 28 Jul 2015 23:32:37 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>> OTOH, most 'ponics are kinda harsh. One can grow organiic 'ponics,
>>> but it's not as mild as good organic soil.
>>
>> You're absolutely right about 'ponics'. It's okay for what it is, but
>> it can never deliver the same subtleties in flavour. It can't really,
>> as whilst it technically satisfies the plant's nutritional
>> requirements, there are countless other things in the soil that
>> influences the smell and flavour of plants. Especially if the ponic's
>> nutrients are non-organic.
>
>
>This story stinks. There is a credibility issue. I don't doubt that
>workers might occasionally crap in the field. I doubt they used toilet
>paper.

I don't see why they wouldn't or couldn't carry some toilet paper with
them? I would, if I was in that situation.

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:

> > Isn't cilantro a herb?
>
> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>
> a's and h's doncha know...

Do you say "an horse"?

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> > On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > > Isn't cilantro a herb?
> >
> > The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
> >
> > a's and h's doncha know...
>
> Do you say "an horse"?
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Do you pronounce it Horse or Orse?

--

sf

On 31/07/2015 11:50 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>
>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>
>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>
>> Do you say "an horse"?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Do you pronounce it Horse or Orse?
>
In certain parts of the world where the "H" is routinely dropped in
speech, it most certainly can be pronounced "orse".

--

Xeno

On 2015-07-31, Xeno > wrote:

> In certain parts of the world where the "H" is routinely dropped in
> speech, it most certainly can be pronounced "orse".

Who axed you!

nb

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:

> > Isn't cilantro a herb?
>
> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>
> a's and h's doncha know...

Do you say "an horse"?

=======================

)

We do have some words where the 'h' is silent, ie honour, but herb is not
one of them)

---
http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Xeno" wrote in message ...

On 31/07/2015 11:50 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>
>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>
>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>
>> Do you say "an horse"?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Do you pronounce it Horse or Orse?
>
In certain parts of the world where the "H" is routinely dropped in
speech, it most certainly can be pronounced "orse".

==========================

We don't really say 'an 'orse'. We say A Horse!

---
http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 1/08/2015 12:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Xeno" wrote in message ...
> On 31/07/2015 11:50 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>>
>>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>>
>>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>>
>>> Do you say "an horse"?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Do you pronounce it Horse or Orse?
>>
> In certain parts of the world where the "H" is routinely dropped in
> speech, it most certainly can be pronounced "orse".
>
> ==========================
>
> We don't really say 'an 'orse'. We say A Horse!
>
Was I indicating that YOU said it that way?


--

Xeno

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> > On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > > Isn't cilantro a herb?
> >
> > The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
> >
> > a's and h's doncha know...
>
> Do you say "an horse"?
>
> =======================
>
> )
>
> We do have some words where the 'h' is silent, ie honour, but herb is not
> one of them)

Really? In the USA, Herb the name of some guy is pronouced with an H.
The plant has a silent H...as in erb.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> We don't really say 'an 'orse'. We say A Horse!

But you do have those barbaric eating utensil habits.
And I'm just teasing you now. hahaha

On 7/31/2015 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>
>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>
>> a's and h's doncha know...
>
> Do you say "an horse"?

No.


> Cindy Hamilton

I say "an Historical event."

http://www.innovateus.net/innopedia/...te-use-instead

The use of ‘a’ or ‘an’ is based on the sound of the first letter used in
a word rather than the written form of the letter. The guideline here
is to use ‘an’ if the first letter has a vowel sound and use ‘a’ if the
first letter makes a consonant sound. If the phonetic representation of
letters is taken into consideration there are actually no exceptions to
the rule. The letter ‘h’ has no sound and the next letter has a vowel
sound, hence ‘an’ is used in front of words such as hour, honor, etc.

On 7/31/2015 7:50 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>
>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>
>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>
>> Do you say "an horse"?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Do you pronounce it Horse or Orse?
>
Ar!

i before e except as in weird

In article >,
says...
>
>
> > http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...an-on-imports/
>
> I am reminded of the Disney cartoon that was made in the
40's for third world countries to demonstrate how to build a latrine
and explained what can happen when a family defecates in the cornfield.
It's called "Cleanliness Brings Health" and is one of those films Disney
must be ashamed today that they made but the cartoon probably saved
lives.

I'm wondering how many Latin-American peasants in the 1940's had
facilities to screen/watch films, or understood English.


Janet UK

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:45:52 AM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> On 7/31/2015 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> >> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> >>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
> >>
> >> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
> >>
> >> a's and h's doncha know...
> >
> > Do you say "an horse"?
>
> No.
>
>
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I say "an Historical event."

That sounds hopelessly stilted to my 21st Century ears,
even taking into account my use of words like forfend.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/31/2015 10:46 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:45:52 AM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>> On 7/31/2015 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>>
>>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>>
>>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>>
>>> Do you say "an horse"?
>>
>> No.
>>
>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I say "an Historical event."
>
> That sounds hopelessly stilted to my 21st Century ears,
> even taking into account my use of words like forfend.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Really?

Well, the sounding of it is in with the grammatical resource I listed, so.

Consider...

"an herb"

or

"a herb"

Which is logically most pleasing?

(silent h of course)

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 12:50:26 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> On 7/31/2015 10:46 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:45:52 AM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> >> On 7/31/2015 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> >>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
> >>>>
> >>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
> >>>>
> >>>> a's and h's doncha know...
> >>>
> >>> Do you say "an horse"?
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> I say "an Historical event."
> >
> > That sounds hopelessly stilted to my 21st Century ears,
> > even taking into account my use of words like forfend.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> Really?
>
> Well, the sounding of it is in with the grammatical resource I listed, so.
>
> Consider...
>
> "an herb"
>
> or
>
> "a herb"
>
> Which is logically most pleasing?
>
> (silent h of course)

If I pronounced the H in herb, I'd say "a herb", just as I say
"a herbivore". I don't pronounce the H in herb, so I say "an herb".

I do pronounce the H in historical, so I say "a historical".

To loop this back to the source, Bruce probably pronounces the
H in herb, so he said "Isn't cilantro a herb?"

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/31/2015 11:06 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 12:50:26 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>> On 7/31/2015 10:46 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:45:52 AM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>>> On 7/31/2015 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you say "an horse"?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> I say "an Historical event."
>>>
>>> That sounds hopelessly stilted to my 21st Century ears,
>>> even taking into account my use of words like forfend.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> Well, the sounding of it is in with the grammatical resource I listed, so.
>>
>> Consider...
>>
>> "an herb"
>>
>> or
>>
>> "a herb"
>>
>> Which is logically most pleasing?
>>
>> (silent h of course)
>
> If I pronounced the H in herb, I'd say "a herb", just as I say
> "a herbivore". I don't pronounce the H in herb, so I say "an herb".

Bingo, that's it!

> I do pronounce the H in historical, so I say "a historical".

Oooh, not me.

> To loop this back to the source, Bruce probably pronounces the
> H in herb, so he said "Isn't cilantro a herb?"
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Logical.

An H_erb would sound clunky.

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Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record
ID: 47846596.

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No one cares about you.

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On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 09:46:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:45:52 AM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> > On 7/31/2015 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> > >> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
> > >>
> > >> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
> > >>
> > >> a's and h's doncha know...
> > >
> > > Do you say "an horse"?
> >
> > No.
> >
> >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > I say "an Historical event."
>
> That sounds hopelessly stilted to my 21st Century ears,
> even taking into account my use of words like forfend.
>

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/wo...historic-event

--

sf

On 7/31/2015 12:55 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 09:46:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:45:52 AM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>> On 7/31/2015 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>>>
>>>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>>>
>>>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>>>
>>>> Do you say "an horse"?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> I say "an Historical event."
>>
>> That sounds hopelessly stilted to my 21st Century ears,
>> even taking into account my use of words like forfend.
>>
>
> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/wo...historic-event

Which presupposes that there has been some measurable advancement made
in elocution from the 19th century to this dim day.

By all measures and through all literature past and present, the sole
thing we have done is degrade the spoken and written word to the point
of near phonetic morbidity.

Put another way, ask yourself would you rather hear a Richard Burton
soliloquy, or the garbled phonetic polyglot that passes for 'expressive'
in pop culture today.

It will be an historic event when or if mankind returns to anything less
ebonic than the contraction-laden word stew we eagerly serve up upon the
simplest of interrogatories.

I give you then, 'shit on a shingle' - a culinary metaphor for the
richly textured and nuanced dish our language is not now and may never
be again.

My .02c

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:08:53 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> On 7/31/2015 12:55 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 09:46:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:45:52 AM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> >>> On 7/31/2015 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> >>>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> a's and h's doncha know...
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you say "an horse"?
> >>>
> >>> No.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>
> >>> I say "an Historical event."
> >>
> >> That sounds hopelessly stilted to my 21st Century ears,
> >> even taking into account my use of words like forfend.
> >>
> >
> > http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/wo...historic-event
>
> Which presupposes that there has been some measurable advancement made
> in elocution from the 19th century to this dim day.
>
> By all measures and through all literature past and present, the sole
> thing we have done is degrade the spoken and written word to the point
> of near phonetic morbidity.
>
> Put another way, ask yourself would you rather hear a Richard Burton
> soliloquy, or the garbled phonetic polyglot that passes for 'expressive'
> in pop culture today.
>
> It will be an historic event when or if mankind returns to anything less
> ebonic than the contraction-laden word stew we eagerly serve up upon the
> simplest of interrogatories.
>
> I give you then, 'shit on a shingle' - a culinary metaphor for the
> richly textured and nuanced dish our language is not now and may never
> be again.
>
> My .02c

The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/1/2015 5:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America
and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms
a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity,
Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the
Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The
U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in
the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a
more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not
come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers
purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of
Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the
Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the
1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:

Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[bold caps, mine]

Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his
January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist
Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State."
Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation
between religion and government in the Constitution of the United
States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from
our Founding Fathers.

If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church &
State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects
their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of
religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have
more churches than Seven-Elevens.

Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the
wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully
eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no
secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other
religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows
atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems,
regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.

On 8/1/2015 4:55 AM, sf wrote:
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America
and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms
a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity,
Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the
Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The
U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in
the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a
more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not
come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers
purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of
Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the
Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the
1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:

Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
[bold caps, mine]

Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his
January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist
Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State."
Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation
between religion and government in the Constitution of the United
States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from
our Founding Fathers.

If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church &
State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects
their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of
religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have
more churches than Seven-Elevens.

Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the
wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully
eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no
secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other
religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows
atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems,
regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.

On 8/1/2015 5:08 AM, Sal Paradise wrote:

Barbara J. Llorente FRAUD!

Barbara J Llorente 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127.
Age 65 (Born 1950) (415) 239-7248. Background Check - Available. Record
ID: 47846596.

Your ass has more mass than Jupiter!

No one cares about you.

Get OUT!


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/_ \ |
\-_ /:|
,--'..'. :
,' `.
_,' \
_.._,--'' , |
, ,',, _| _,.'| | |
\\||/,'(,' '--'' | | |
_ ||| | /-' |
| | (- -)<`._ | / /
| | \_\O/_/`-.(<< |____/ /
| | / \ / -'| `--.'|
| | \___/ / /
| | H H / | |
|_|_..-H-H--.._ / ,| |
|-.._"_"__..-| | _-/ | |
| | | | \_ |
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On 8/1/2015 5:34 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
If any of these associations raised questions in the mind of George
Bush, Jr., he had little incentive to voice them. Besides getting Harken
stock through the deal, Junior was paid $80,000 a year as a consultant
(until 1989, when his wages were increased to $120,000; recently they
were reduced to $45,000). He was also allowed to borrow $180,375 from
the company at very low interest rates. In 1989 and 1990, according to
the company's Securities and Exchange Commission filing, Harken's board
"forgave" $341,000 in loans to its executives. In addition, Junior took
advantage of the company's ultraliberal executive stock purchase plan,
which allowed him to buy Harken stock at 40 percent below market value.

Such lavish executive compensation would suggest a company doing quite
well indeed. But in reality, Harken had little going for itself. One
Wall Street analyst called Harken's web of insider stock deals and
mounting debt "a lot of jiggery-pokery." Harken was not making money and
could not have continued into 1990 without at least some means of
convincing lenders and investors that the company would soon find a lot
of oil.

On 7/31/2015 1:34 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 3:08:53 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>> On 7/31/2015 12:55 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 09:46:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 11:45:52 AM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>>>> On 7/31/2015 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you say "an horse"?
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> I say "an Historical event."
>>>>
>>>> That sounds hopelessly stilted to my 21st Century ears,
>>>> even taking into account my use of words like forfend.
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/wo...historic-event
>>
>> Which presupposes that there has been some measurable advancement made
>> in elocution from the 19th century to this dim day.
>>
>> By all measures and through all literature past and present, the sole
>> thing we have done is degrade the spoken and written word to the point
>> of near phonetic morbidity.
>>
>> Put another way, ask yourself would you rather hear a Richard Burton
>> soliloquy, or the garbled phonetic polyglot that passes for 'expressive'
>> in pop culture today.
>>
>> It will be an historic event when or if mankind returns to anything less
>> ebonic than the contraction-laden word stew we eagerly serve up upon the
>> simplest of interrogatories.
>>
>> I give you then, 'shit on a shingle' - a culinary metaphor for the
>> richly textured and nuanced dish our language is not now and may never
>> be again.
>>
>> My .02c
>
> The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Wow.

Yes.

Nailed it.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 15:20:44 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...
>>
>>On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> > Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>
>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>
>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>
>>Do you say "an horse"?
>>
>>=======================
>>
>>)
>>
>>We do have some words where the 'h' is silent, ie honour, but herb is not
>>one of them)
>
> Maybe because words like 'honour' come from French and the French
> never pronounce an 'h'.

That could be it!!


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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 00:07:35 +1000, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>>On 31/07/2015 11:50 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>>>
>>>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>>>
>>>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>>>
>>>> Do you say "an horse"?
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Do you pronounce it Horse or Orse?
>>>
>>In certain parts of the world where the "H" is routinely dropped in
>>speech, it most certainly can be pronounced "orse".
>
> Maybe you hear English people say things like "you're an arse" and you
> misunderstand?

Surely not <g>

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On 1/08/2015 7:03 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 00:07:35 +1000, Xeno >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/07/2015 11:50 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you say "an horse"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> Do you pronounce it Horse or Orse?
>>>>
>>> In certain parts of the world where the "H" is routinely dropped in
>>> speech, it most certainly can be pronounced "orse".
>>
>> Maybe you hear English people say things like "you're an arse" and you
>> misunderstand?
>
> Surely not <g>
>
Nah! ;-)


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Xeno

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 4:46:04 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> On 7/31/2015 1:34 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> > The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Wow.
>
> Yes.
>
> Nailed it.

Yes, Socrates was spot on, 2400 years ago. The world's been going to
hell in a handbasket ever since.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
> > On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > > Isn't cilantro a herb?
> >
> > The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
> >
> > a's and h's doncha know...
>
> Do you say "an horse"?

Only the USA speaks of an erb.

Outside of the USA, English speakers aspirate the H in herb,
so they say a herb, just like a horse, a hospital etc.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > We don't really say 'an 'orse'. We say A Horse!
>
> But you do have those barbaric eating utensil habits.
> And I'm just teasing you now. hahaha

Teasing cuts both way you uneducated ferret sniffer, ha ha ha.

Janet UK

Janet wrote:
>
> Only the USA speaks of an erb.
>
> Outside of the USA, English speakers aspirate the H in herb,
> so they say a herb, just like a horse, a hospital etc.

Really? Interesting. I always though worldwide was:

- herb the spice was pronounced erb
- herb the name was pronounced herb.

Janet wrote:
>
> In article >, says...
> >
> > Ophelia wrote:
> > >
> > > We don't really say 'an 'orse'. We say A Horse!
> >
> > But you do have those barbaric eating utensil habits.
> > And I'm just teasing you now. hahaha
>
> Teasing cuts both way you uneducated ferret sniffer, ha ha ha.

Hey wait a minute here! :-O
http://i61.tinypic.com/102m7h1.jpg

On Sat, 01 Aug 2015 09:23:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> Janet wrote:
> >
> > Only the USA speaks of an erb.
> >
> > Outside of the USA, English speakers aspirate the H in herb,
> > so they say a herb, just like a horse, a hospital etc.
>
> Really? Interesting. I always though worldwide was:
>
> - herb the spice was pronounced erb
> - herb the name was pronounced herb.

The Brits don't prescribe to that.

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sf

sf wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Really? Interesting. I always though worldwide was:
> >
> > - herb the spice was pronounced erb
> > - herb the name was pronounced herb.
>
> The Brits don't prescribe to that.

Those barbarians! ;-D

On 8/1/2015 4:38 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 4:46:04 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>> On 7/31/2015 1:34 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>> The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Nailed it.
>
> Yes, Socrates was spot on, 2400 years ago. The world's been going to
> hell in a handbasket ever since.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Funny death spiral isn't it, sometimes up, but always a trendline down.

We advance a few rights, then savage ourselves with nanny technology and
wonder why things never improve.

:-(

On 8/1/2015 7:02 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:16:13 PM UTC-4, Sal Paradise wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2015 3:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>> Isn't cilantro a herb?
>>>
>>> The proper pronoun is "an" herb...
>>>
>>> a's and h's doncha know...
>>
>> Do you say "an horse"?
>
> Only the USA speaks of an erb.
>
> Outside of the USA, English speakers aspirate the H in herb,
> so they say a herb, just like a horse, a hospital etc.
>
> Janet UK
>
Only a nation of servile oafs would allow the extinct Roman empire to
dictate that they drive on the wrong side of the road.